Anti-Shrine-Maiden HQ (Incident Causer Thread)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

@Yukarin does a Watcher see who visits if their target is targetted by Heian Dark Clouds?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Reisen if you town it up a bit today I think you can live, lets both try to make it to tomorrow

[Yukari Yakumo]

@Yukarin does a Watcher see who visits if their target is targetted by Heian Dark Clouds?

No

[Kaguya Houraisan]

hmm, thoughts on having you hammer the first person to hit E-1 today?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

I was already in that mindset. But I do have time windows, I’ll try to keep up when I can.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Playerlist:

1. Tenshi Hinanawi -

   Tenshi Hinanawi
   
   
2. Aya Shameimaru -
   Aya Shameimaru
   • Wind Sign "Wind God's Fan" [Spellcard/Night] Deflector, resolves first
     
     
   • [Spellcard] Make all PTs found with PT Cop ability public
     
   • [Active/Night] Combined Watcher PT Cop
     
   • [Passive] Stealthy
3. Yuuka Kazami -
   Yuuka Kazami
   • [Spellcard]
     Contagious Watcher
     
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Self-watch
     
   • [Passive] Notifies anyone visiting her that she's part of the scum team
4. Kaguya Houraisan -
   Wakasagihime
   • [Spellcard/Night] - Effects targetting me resolve as if Strongwilled, get 3 fish total when combined with singing
     
     
   • [Spellcard/Night] - Doctor a single person per two fish
     
     
   • [Active/Night] - Sing to get 1 fish (Resolves before my spellcards)
     
   • [Passive] - Invisible to action investigatives
     
   • [Passive] - In a hood with Daiyousei
5. Kagerou Imaizumi -
   Marisa Kirisame
   • Love Sign "Master Spark" [Spellcard/Night] Juggernaut, can't be recharged
     
     
   • Magic Sign "Stardust Reverie" [Spellcard] Enter a hood, if it's temporary make it permanent
     
     
   • Burglary [Active/Night] Flavor Cop with extra effects
     
   • [Passive] Mod Confirmed to be
     Marisa Kirisame
6. Koishi Komeiji -
   Youmu Konpaku
   • [Spellcard/Night] Change Compulsive Fixed Bodyguard target, both Koishi and new target are bulletproof for the night, informed if anyone attacked Koishi or new target
     
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Compulsive Fixed Bodyguard, target gets Strongwilled if Koishi dies at night, target immune to all scum abilities
     
   • [Passive] Immune to Day Abilities, including vote multipliers
7. Eternity Larva -

   Seiran
   
   
8. Ichirin Kumoi -

   Medicine Melancholy
   
   
9. Daiyousei -
   Daiyousei
   • [Spellcard] Checker
     
     
   • [Spellcard] Visitor
     
   • [Spellcard] Unknown
     
   • [Active/Night] Redirect all actions targeting her to her target, if her target dies she dies
     
   • [Passive] Come back to life after dying
     
   • Misty Lake Resident [Passive] In a Hood with Kaguya Houraisan
10. Marisa Kirisame -
    Flandre Scarlet
    • [Spellcard] Some kind of Guilty generator
      
    • [Spellcard] Unknown
      
    • [Active] Disable Passive
      
    • Scarlet Devil Mansion [Passive] You are in a neighborhood with Sanae Kochiya
11. Clownpiece -

    Toyosatomimi no Miko
    
    
12. Reisen Udongein Inaba -
    Reisen Udongein Inaba
    • [Spellcard] Cause target to self-target
      
    • [Spellcard] Offset actions on target by a phase
      
    • [Active] Shut down PT
      
    • [Passive] Ascetic
      
    • [Passive] In a neighborhood with Eternity Larva at night
13. Sanae Kochiya -

    Patchouli Knowledge

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Canon Yuuka Spellcards:

• "Flower Shooting"
  
• "Fantastic Spring Flowers"
  
• Flower Sign "Blossoming of Gensokyo"
  
• Fantasy "The Beauties of Nature" - 花鳥風月 (kachou fuugetsu, lit. 'flowers, birds, wind, moon'): an idiom referring to the beautiful aspects of nature. 嘯風弄月 (shoufuu rougetsu, lit. 'howling wind, marvelous moon'): an idiom referring to acts of enjoying the beauty of nature, in particular reciting poetry while wind howls through pine trees, or while marveling at the sight of the Moon. (NOTE: This isn't canon flavoring, just the explanation of the translation that's on the wiki. The original Japanese of the spellcard name is 幻想「花鳥風月、嘯風弄月」)

Canon Flandre Spellcards

• Taboo "Cranberry Trap"
  1. Multiple invisible enemies run along the edges of the screen, shooting either purple bullets that always converge in similar ways near the middle, or blue bullets that aim at the player. Flandre moves all around the screen meanwhile.
• Taboo "Lävatein"
  1. Flandre uses her Lævateinn, which looks like a laser, to leave lanes of bullets as a trail. She spins it or moves along the upper edge of the screen while she aims it downwards. While spinning, she has a large open space behind herself.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Saw it at the Scarlet Devil Mansion, stopping-short type
     Reference Level: ★
     A Spell Card where she brandishes a big sword of flame. No, "big sword" isn't right. It's a totally oversized sword.
     Swingin' this thing around indoors can't be safe.
     It might be too big even for a vampire, 'cause she can't swing it freely very fast. As such, dodgin' the tip of the sword is simple.
     The scary thing about this isn't the sword itself, though. It's the fire bullets that come from swinging it.
• Taboo "Four of a Kind"
  1. Flandre creates 3 copies of herself. They all make circles of random red bullets around themselves. One will shoot eight lanes of large yellow bullets around her in the same way each time, one shoots a 7-way of large green bullets aimed at the player, and the "real" Flandre shoots three circles of large blue bullets that alternate spaces. If you deal enough damage to a "clone", it will explode in a similar effect to a fairy and drop a big P item.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Saw it at the Scarlet Devil Mansion, slave-type
     Clone Level: ★★★
     A Spell Card where she clones herself, then shoots bullets wherever she wants. I feel like if I could clone myself, I could do just about anythin'... but I still want slaves, too.
• Taboo "Kagome, Kagome"
  1. Green square lines are slowly formed from the edges of the screen, while Flandre shoots large, yellow bullets, sometimes in random directions, others aimed at the player. Whenever she shoots a yellow bullet, the green pattern will dissolve and deform in the direction the bullet was shot.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Saw it at the Scarlet Devil Mansion, theatrical type
     Reference Level: ★
     Danmaku is what's standing right in front of your back. A Spell Card that surrounds you with danmaku.
     Then she fires big bullets that smash through the bullets surrounding you. A rare type of Spell Card where the bullets interfere with each other.
     In practice, if the bullets interfere with each other, there's a concern that it'll become impossible to control and stop functioning as a game. But Flandre over here doesn't care about that sorta thing at all. That's the little sister of madness for ya.
     It ain't very strong, by the way. Was she holdin' back?
• Taboo "Maze of Love"
  1. Flandre places herself in the middle of the screen and begins making a spiral of bullets with cuts in-between, along with layered half-circles of bullets shot in the opposite direction of the holes in the spiral.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Movement stress type of love
     Reference Level: ★
     A Spell Card that forces a specific method of dodging. You just have to circle around Flandre, but there's a trap: you actually have to move opposite to the direction the danmaku rotates.
     You're forced to spin in the opposite direction from the other person. "Maze of Love" is a perfect name for it.
• Forbidden Barrage "Starbow Break"
  1. Flandre flies around as rainbow-colored bullets jump up from a random position and fall down, forming rainbow-like arcs. There are 4 waves, one higher in the middle, one that rises towards the right, one rising to the right, again on the middle, and the pattern repeats.
• Forbidden Barrage "Catadioptric"
  1. Flandre shoots large blue bullets that leave trails of smaller bullets behind, similar to Remilia's "Scarlet Shoot", which will then bounce off of walls until they go through the bottom of the screen. She will shoot a 5-way up, go closer to the right wall and shoot a 5-way towards it, then do the same with the left wall, and shoot 5 individual large bullets upwards as she goes back to the right, and she will repeat the pattern slightly lower each time. Flandre takes a slight recoil with each shot she does.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Saw it at the Scarlet Devil Mansion
     Reference Level: ★★★
     A Spell Card that uses the walls. Reflecting shots backed by brute force.
     They really are sisters. Remilia has similar danmaku, but Flandre's uses too many finicky little tricks.
• Forbidden Barrage "Clock that Ticks Away the Past"
  1. Flandre will stay in the top middle, shooting aimed red bullets, as a pattern of 4 lasers that spin around a center go from left to right in multiple orders.
• Secret Barrage "And Then Will There Be None?"
  1. Timeout spell card. Flandre will disappear as she is replaced by invisible enemies that follow the player around, leaving trails of blue bullets that expand. Afterwards, square-like shapes will be shot from the sides of the screen as they form shapes by bending over themselves. This last phase will repeat until the spell ends.
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Saw it at the Scarlet Devil Mansion, invisible slave-type
     Playing Alone Level: ★★★★★
     A Spell Card where "if I get hit, then there will be none."
     When your opponent disappears, you can't tell where you'll be attacked from. Fearsome.
     That's just how much evading danmaku relies on seeing your opponent, I suppose.
     I want her to teach me how to disappear, by the way.
• Q.E.D. "Ripples of 495 Years"
  1. Flandre will stay in the top middle, as multiple circles of bullets that bounce on walls produce themselves in random places around the screen and expand, with the speed and rate of appearance of the circles increasing with time passin and Flandre receiving damage.
• Taboo "Forbidden Fruit"
  1. While looking for news, I was suddenly attacked.
     A noiseless and irrational creeping fear.
     It is a good thing that feeling comes out in the photos...
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Forbidden move
     Reference Level: Forbidden move
     A super-high-density Spell Card. At this level, it isn't a game at all.
     This stuff's banned nowadays. Truly a forbidden fruit.
• Taboo "Forbidden Games"
  1. I was fairly sure vampires were weak to
     the cross symbol, but it doesn't seem like it.
     She just came out and played with it...
     
  2. User: Flandre Scarlet
     Notes: Nothin' but crosses
     Reference Level: ★
     A Spell Card that flings crosses en masse.
     Why crosses? 'Cause they have a lot at their house, apparently. Are they cross hunters, or did these belong to the humans that became their food?
• Scarlet Devil Sign "Bloody Catastrophe"
  - Duo spellcard with Remilia
  
• Scarlet Divine Sign "Catastrophe of Seventeen Articles"
  - Duo spellcard with Toyosatomimi no Miko
  
• Scarlet Star Sign "Superhuman Catastrophe Pilgrimage"
  - Duo spellcard with Byakuren
  
• Taboo "Reckless Bullet"
  
• Taboo "Cerberus Clipper"
  
• "Destroyer in the Palm of One's Hand"
  
• Scarlet Nihility

[Kaguya Houraisan]

So. We know Marisa isn't claiming a protective (Both because she said so and because protecting someone wouldn't be a guilty and also because a protective Flan kinda doesn't make sense). This means either a roleblock type thing or a tracker/watcher. If she's Watching Aya we need to Dark Clouds there, if she's roleblocking we need to have you roleblock back with Nightmare of Heiankyou

If Koishi is lying about being able to swap targets, and also doesn't have a spellcard that'd let her save Aya if she thinks she's rebinded to Aya then we don't need to worry about anything there since Icicle Fall would have roleblocked her Rebind so she'd still be bound to me. If she isn't lying then she needs to be roleblocked

We have one question left with Very Unfair and Border-line Rule-breaking Outside Contact and it's probably gonna have to go towards figuring out the night actions to take here. I'll go through the Flan spellcards in a bit more detail later to see what's likely

[Kaguya Houraisan]

@Yukari if Reisen uses Nightmare of Heiankyo and the factional kill on the same night she's targeted by a Roleblocker does the kill go through? What about targeted by a Jailkeeper

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Marisa could also be

another

redirector with something like Forbidden Barrage "Catadioptric" but in that case there's no problem with just killing Aya on the spot

[Kaguya Houraisan]

If she's not a roleblock-type role and not a cop then the optimal play might actually be to just no-kill and let her shoot her shot. If she was a cop she'd probably just come out with it and ask Koishi to be on her when Koishi claimed to be a regular BG instead of Fixed right?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Yeah no she’s not a straight up cop it’s gonna be an action based guilty.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Spellcards ready:

• Ice Sign "Icicle Fall" (Refreshed N2)
  
• Ominous Clouds "Heian Dark Clouds" (Never used)

If we know that Koishi isn't on Aya I think

• Kaguya Refreshes "Nightmare of Heiankyou"
  
• Reisen uses "Nightmare of Heiankyou"
  
• Reisen kills Aya

is optimal right? Alternatively "Heian Dark Clouds" on Aya might also be good just not sure what Marisa is using yet.
Yuuka's Contagious Watcher was probably Flower Sign "Blossoming of Gensokyo", Fantasy "The Beauties of Nature" is probably going to be some sort of tracker and you get around those with Unidentified
Dai probably doesn't have anything useful anymore
Koishi I have no idea what her last spellcard would be but with a properly worded question shouldn't be a problem
Kagerou only has Burglary left
Aya's spellcard isn't relevant and she's Watching Marisa

[Kaguya Houraisan]

[Kaguya Houraisan]

• Secret Barrage "And then there will be none" - You can't actually hit Flan during this spellcard and instead just have to wait out the timer. Commute/Become untargetable?
  
• Forbidden Barrage "Catadioptric" - Flan basically banks shots into the wall. Some sort of redirect?
  
• Taboo "Four of a Kind" - Flan clones herself. 1/4 chance of targeting her? Act 4 times in one night?
  
• Q.E.D. "Ripples of 495 Years" - Similar effect as Catadioptric?

If we're talking iconic spellcards then I'd definitely expect her to have Taboo "Cranberry Trap" or Taboo "Lävatein" too as something we need to figure out, just not sure how that'd be flavored

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Though based off the spellcards here I think the guilty machine might be another redirect like Aya. Her other spellcard is supposedly provable too

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I think she's gotta have Taboo "Lävatein", that's like her thing. Any ideas how you'd translate an oversized flaming sword into a Mafia game?

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Uhhh, the mech averse stuff isn’t a bit I’m just not good with it. If I had to go wild guess shot in the dark then I’d make it some kind of spell block OR illuminate a night action. Make it loud or something.

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Oh hmm I just realized it doesn't actually matter what Marisa can do.
If she investigates by targeting you she gets hit with Ascetic
If she guilties by blocking you she gets hit with Ascetic
If she guilties by redirecting then Aya kill
If she guilties by being a Watcher she'd still see you not on Koishi

I'll wait for Yukari to get back with the double roleblock scenario but I think Ascetic mode + Kill Aya is optimal after using a question to check if Koishi can stop the factional kill on Aya tonight if Reisen performs the kill while using the Ascetic Spellcard

[Yukari Yakumo]

@Yukari if Reisen uses Nightmare of Heiankyo and the factional kill on the same night she's targeted by a Roleblocker does the kill go through? What about targeted by a Jailkeeper

Both would be roleblocked, and any other actions would fail due to that

[Kaguya Houraisan]

tsk

I kinda hoped to let Aya get NK'd and then reveal my role but

Yeah, I do have some sort of ability which can generate guilties and/or innos. Not saying what it is. Thankfully,

Reisen thoughts on what this might be?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I'm like 90% sure that Marisa's "Guilty Generator" is some sort of redirect and am willing to bet the game on it. I'm also 90% sure that Koishi lied about lying about the bind thing and that she's still bound to me

There's only two points of failure here imo:

1. Not knowing if Marisa is redirecting Aya or Koishi
   
2. Not knowing if Koishi's rebind was another Aya situation where it resolves before roleblocks

Yukari is it legal to use Very Unfair and Border-line Rule-breaking Outside Contact to create a conditional nightkill based on the answer with something like "Is Marisa targeting Aya with a spellcard?" that resolves one second before the deadline and a set of night actions for if it's a positive or a negative result (e.g. if positive then Dark Clouds Marisa and Kill Marisa, if negative then Nightmare of Heiankyou and Kill Aya)

[Kaguya Houraisan]

I unironically think no-killing and sleeping is optimal here if we can't verify Marisa's target

[Kaguya Houraisan]

Night Actions

Reisen Udongein Inaba Refreshes "Nightmare of Heiankyou"

For now.

Thinking about it, if we assume Marisa is a redirector of some kind then the only real risks tonight are Yuuka tracking me somewhere if I try to roleblock and Aya seeing you not be on Koishi

Aya's supposedly on Marisa

[Reisen Udongein Inaba]

Could we not wait till close to deadline and use the question to get Marisa’s target?

[Kaguya Houraisan]

or that, just a question of if Yukari will answer the question in time. If "Do Actions A if Positive Result and Actions B if Negative Result" is legal then that'd work