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Firebringer · Post Post #2125 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:10 pm

I think I replaced in less than 48 hours.
I have given a read. I still haven't read everything.

I am sorry. ;(
I don't apologize much either, so you know when I say it, I mean it.

Vedith · Post Post #2126 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:13 pm

Considering that Sala was town, that makes FB town. Just saying.
Plenty of time to catch up FB, so don't worry.

I'm sure that someone can give a run down of claims and results that have been said (I won't because I'm lazy).

Luna/Talah you 2 seem good at catch up posts, can you kindly?

Luna Fox · Post Post #2127 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:16 pm

In post 2126, Vedith wrote:Luna/Talah you 2 seem good at catch up posts, can you kindly?

I'm good at catchup posts?

Vedith · Post Post #2128 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:17 pm

Yeah you post a lot. So I put 2 and 2 together.

Luna Fox · Post Post #2129 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 12:40 pm

In post 2128, Vedith wrote:Yeah you post a lot. So I put 2 and 2 together.

Uh, what?

Skybird · Post Post #2130 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:11 pm

Performer, I don't like VG saying he answered your questions when he didn't. That with his limited amount of content I'm thinking a VG lynch might be in order.

Skybird · Post Post #2131 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:11 pm

Hi Firebringer!

FA_Q2 · Post Post #2132 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 1:12 pm

In post 2126, Vedith wrote:Considering that Sala was town, that makes FB town. Just saying.
Plenty of time to catch up FB, so don't worry.

I'm sure that someone can give a run down of claims and results that have been said (I won't because I'm lazy).

Luna/Talah you 2 seem good at catch up posts, can you kindly?

That is your read.

I have read sala as scum for awhile now.

Titus · Post Post #2133 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:02 pm

FAQ, Skybird let's lynch Firebringer and see where night actions fall.

Titus · Post Post #2134 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 2130, Skybird wrote:Performer, I don't like VG saying he answered your questions when he didn't. That with his limited amount of content I'm thinking a VG lynch might be in order.

I could do this too.

talah · Post Post #2135 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:25 pm

I could do either as a compromise as well. I want Vedith's input though since he seemed to have a plan.

Both options seem fairly mediocre compared to IaI / Performer which seem like optimal lynches to me.

Worst is now giving me the heebie geebies with his super-low postcount and awkward posts.

Luna I'm surprised you don't think I could have been targeted by scum yesterday. I didn't obvtown enough for your liking?
That means you think you were the scum kill target. However you were surprised at being called obvtown yourself.
Why do you think scum target you?

Performer still dodgin' my questions by not answering them.

Performer: I was trying to draw a nightkill with my behaviour.
Me: Sure, and your behaviour was to crumb these PRs. How did crumbing those PRs make you a nightkill target?
Performer: I already answered that. With my behaviour.

Luna Fox · Post Post #2136 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:43 pm

In post 2135, talah wrote:Why do you think scum target you?

I don't think i was targeted?:

In post 2018, Luna Fox wrote:Why would they shoot any of FAQ, talah, me, AJ over someone like Skybird. It doesn't make any sense, I participated in a town mislynch yesterday, AJ was decently scumread by a few, talah also lynched Zakk, and FAQ lynched Zakk AND is being scumread by a few.

talah · Post Post #2137 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:48 pm

In post 2126, Vedith wrote:Considering that Sala was town, that makes FB town. Just saying.
Plenty of time to catch up FB, so don't worry.

I'm sure that someone can give a run down of claims and results that have been said (I won't because I'm lazy).

Luna/Talah you 2 seem good at catch up posts, can you kindly?

Egh I'm not in catch-up post mode right now.
Surely you can give your own dot-point summary of events if you want to catch Firebringer up.

Hi Firebringer by the way if I didn't already say that.
I'm suspicious of your slot because of the way Banana was throwing votes around but then townread your slot on her replace-out and Salamence's first few posts.
More recently Sal was pushing me to vote FAQ while he had a vote on someone else. That sorta wiped out the goodwill I had on the slot. He also said something I don't understand (in greek) when I copied it into translate. Then he replaced out. (Well he replaced specifically without answering why he was pushing me to vote someone he wasn't voting.)

So you have a lot of ground to make up if you want to avoid being lynched. Especially after you said you'd have to read your own slot's content rather than just saying "Uh yeeeeah I'm not a rolecop".
I don't see how sticking with your own slot's gambit would help as a replacing player.
Best option is to get your reads down and tell the truth.
Having to check your own slot's posts as opposed to - idunno - just checking your own role PM - is a pretty decent scumtell.

Short catch-up for your own info, but doesn't cover a microspeck of what's actually happened in this thread up till now (and we're only in Day 2).
I'd suggest the first thing you want to do is decide who you'd lynch today and give reasons.

talah · Post Post #2138 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:50 pm

In post 2136, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 2135, talah wrote:Why do you think scum target you?

I don't think i was targeted?:

In post 2018, Luna Fox wrote:Why would they shoot any of FAQ, talah, me, AJ over someone like Skybird. It doesn't make any sense, I participated in a town mislynch yesterday, AJ was decently scumread by a few, talah also lynched Zakk, and FAQ lynched Zakk AND is being scumread by a few.

So you think Scum no-killed?

Luna Fox · Post Post #2139 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:51 pm

It's possible.

Luna Fox · Post Post #2140 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:52 pm

Either that or IaI is scum because i see no other reasonable explanation.

talah · Post Post #2141 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:55 pm

I agree completely. I don't think I was a sensible vig target at all.

Claiming it serves two purposes - allows him to locate the other protective role and gives him outs for submitting kills on later nights.

talah · Post Post #2142 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 8:58 pm

I looked up JK by the way and that's correct that it doesn't rolestop but it still matches the hider role (as in any investigatiion could be counter-claimed by hider).

Remember that the only thing that scum don't know is what PRs exist. If we don't have an investigative role there's no way they could have known that except to deduce it from their own roles.

talah · Post Post #2143 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 10:39 pm

Titus, do you remember in Gundam who your slot dayvigged before you replaced in?

If you don't I'm happy to tell you. But that was a bald-faced dayvig on town.

Do you think IaI's Vig claim on me makes any sense?

I Am Innocent · Post Post #2144 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:33 pm

In post 2141, talah wrote:I agree completely. I don't think I was a sensible vig target at all.

Claiming it serves two purposes - allows him to locate the other protective role and gives him outs for submitting kills on later nights.

How would a fake vig claim give scum an out? A fake vig claim is suicidal, the lack of an extra kill would crush that claim.

Are you willing to bet ur game life on me being a fake vig? If so I will agree to shoot you n2 if you agree to ask any town protective roles we may have not to target you.

If you and I are both alive to start D3, I will go 1 vs 1 against u, cause I'll know you had a scum teammate protect u/u lied about being BP.

Deal?

Vedith · Post Post #2145 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:35 pm

What's to stop scum blocking you even if Talah is town just so you to take the focus all of day 3?

Vedith · Post Post #2146 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:37 pm

Pre planned vig shots are so bad.
If you are really a vig, it just takes a RB on scum team and you are useless.

You outted information and gave information which has only confused the day further. You should have waited 1 more night, took a shot and proved to us.

talah · Post Post #2147 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:51 pm

In post 2144, I Am Innocent wrote:
In post 2141, talah wrote:I agree completely. I don't think I was a sensible vig target at all.

Claiming it serves two purposes - allows him to locate the other protective role and gives him outs for submitting kills on later nights.

How would a fake vig claim give scum an out? A fake vig claim is suicidal, the lack of an extra kill would crush that claim.

Are you willing to bet ur game life on me being a fake vig? If so I will agree to shoot you n2 if you agree to ask any town protective roles we may have not to target you.

If you and I are both alive to start D3, I will go 1 vs 1 against u, cause I'll know you had a scum teammate protect u/u lied about being BP.

Deal?

Fake vig claim covers for an actual nightkill and allows you to continue to nightkill whoever you want - all you need to do is rationalise each kill with some shitty reasoning like "your vote bounced between me and performer and you were on the zakk wagon". You don't even need analysis.

No, I'm not willing to make any "game life" bet on you being scum. I'm saying that my feeling is you're lying based on the conversation we had in realtime, where you tilted and said you thought performer was a "hider", with no reason. Performer then avoids addressing anything specific about the claims. Nailing you two fuckers down is like nailing jelly to a wall. You won't clarify points I've made against you.

I actually expect to be alive tomorrow considering the claims we have on the table. I did not necessarily expect to be alive this morning.
Explain how I have a scum teammate. Is it AJ or FAQ?
How does each of these protect me, and why?
What suspicioin did I draw?

talah · Post Post #2148 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:54 pm

In post 2146, Vedith wrote:Pre planned vig shots are so bad.
If you are really a vig, it just takes a RB on scum team and you are useless.

You outted information and gave information which has only confused the day further. You should have waited 1 more night, took a shot and proved to us.

No he should have either shot a lurker or someone who was suspicious.

You let people who your townreads, are townreading, live.

He has zero flow of thought on this.

Vedith · Post Post #2149 (ISO) » Mon Oct 12, 2015 11:58 pm

In post 2148, talah wrote:No he should have either shot a lurker or someone who was suspicious.

You let people who your townreads, are townreading, live.

He has zero flow of thought on this.

Ummm, I was agreeing with you in that sense?
I'm not saying that who he shot was right, but outing a BG and claiming vig did nothing for us.