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So, glad to see everyone signed up for this exciting thing we haven't had in forever and is being dragged down by a playerlist, being toxic for god knows why, and the game is only 4 pages in.In post 11, Cabd wrote:Hi guys
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I think we should be massclaiming our prior roles. I especially want to hear from prior scum about how their fake claims were structured/set up.
I'll start, even. I was town day mailman, night "beyond the grave" message leaver.
Can you clarify what this is supposed to mean?In post 47, xRECKONERx wrote:I'm on mobile all day, out w/ fam. I was an informed townie previously. I knew that a specific role name was town but not who they were.
Why did you do this but we have rhinox over there with this and more?In post 71, xRECKONERx wrote:I just got home, was out all day with family. I was mobile posting all day.
Cabd is actually scum, though, because of that policy lynch + HEY YALL LETS TALK ABOUT PRIOR ROLES BECAUSE UHHH MOD META ANYTHING TO STOP ME FROM HAVING TO TALK ABOUT REAL THINGS
And Cephrir's insistence that I'm scum based on (???) and then refusal to explain/elaborate when I pressed him further is bad, too.
This doesn't make sense. First off, he posted it so early in the game that there wasn't even anything else for him to try and avoid talking about. Second, something something starting a policy lynch is a null tell.
Third, the biggest issue I've had with ceph is his attitude, because it feels like most of this playerlist is going to be dysfunctional which is already setting us up for failure.
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cabd- mailman
who- 1-shot bp miller?
reck- informed townie
ceph- sui 2shot reflex doc
copp- flavor conditional cop
ts- macho framing bg
rhinox- limited rolecop
t-bone- flavor cop who could tell if someone killed
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In post 98, notscience wrote:Also-
cabd- mailman
who- 1-shot bp miller?
reck- informed townie
ceph- sui 2shot reflex doc
copp- flavor conditional cop
ts- macho framing bg
rhinox- limited rolecop
t-bone- flavor cop who could tell if someone killed
ns- vt
icerink- tracker
We're missing 2 scum claims and 1 town
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Who those sound like flavor claims not actual roles.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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Well here I am, hiding behind it. Who saying the other two had investigative roles is interesting because from what it sounds like all we had was a metric fuckton o finvestigative which is really strange.
And I'd wager it's the kinda thing where he wouldn't want to stick one of his friends in that situation either, but I can understand where this one comes from.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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Also to note: There was board game mafia a while back, and I don't know the current validity of this or not, but Morph (him/ffery) made a comment about how the pro-town charter that was presented (essentially, it was like "be protown! we agree to be protown and have fun!') and their comment was "If we were scum, we would just spend the majority of day 1 outlining this contract." so yes, I do see why that might be an issue, but I think it's only an issue if thats all he does today. ie, you might have jumped the gun a bit on that.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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If anything, this game is different than every game I have had of recent, which if you went to check (which, basing off your "if he posts he's town") thing, you haven't done, you'd see that lately my site activity has been pretty low egardless of alignment, and my ingame activity has bee pretty piss-poor, kinda just sitting around looking for a direction to pursue, and this game I actually seem like I have a head on my shoulders which should probably raise some flags, no?
Or are you content with your townread off of one scumgame's meta based on the amount of posting I do.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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That being said, my reservations aside, I think you're town at the moment for trying to thin the herd some, in any way you can. Do I think some of the reasoning is flawed? Yes. But flawed reasoning does not a scum make.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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I was a roleblocker who, if roleblocked, killed both myself and my roleblocker.
That seems pretty strange given there wasn't any other roleblocker claim.In post 148, Cephrir wrote:notscience, any commentary relevant to the actual game events?
Copper looks town
I think someone lied about hteir prior role which would probably make cabd town
I think LLD looks like scum
More elaboration on this after I get some food in me, I'm not exactly lucidIn post 179, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:our previous roles were claimed by Who earlier in this game. Page 5 I think? I CBA'd to find and quote it, but he wasn't lying.
This bugs me because why does scum need 2 investigative roles and a bulletproof?In post 185, Iecerint wrote:I'm not sure about this, but Mala is pretty insistent.
Notscience, could you speak to why you were somewhat demotivated going into this game?
You may decline to answer.
Yes, I will answer, but my only answer will be yes.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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In post 201, T-Bone wrote:Because there is value in figuring out/speccing/lying about the previous setup (which you also did anyway)? Walk me through the pointlessness NotSci.
Well for one, if Cabd is town and was interested in the setup and scum a wanted to throw his setup spec off in the hopes it could effect his reads, what would scum a do? And yeah I lied, oh well.
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The reason I think copper is town is a lot of the early showing of trying to figure things out, his discrediting my attempts to discredit his townread on me, and I feel like the cockiness regarding his read on me likely comes from town.
I think LLD is scum because the first post about how this playerlist sucks felt like testing the waters, seeing if she could get away with doing fuckall this game, after the "damn I was so excited I drew scum and then it was ruined!" it felt fake to me, however when it went over poorly she decided to step up to the plate which bugs me.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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Because what better way to motivate yourself than to make everyone else not want to play?
This isn't a matter of me not empathizing, because frankly none of the people I wanted to play with are in this game. This isn't a matter of me being a moron or in an ass backwards universe or whatever you want to call it to try and make me not want to pursue all ventures. You definitely came into this game one way and swapped that, and as either alignment you would say what you said above so excuse me if I take it with a grain of salt.
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Not really, it was null, but okay.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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fferyllt has a habit of being stingy with her votes early in the game, and I'm testing it out because normally I jump the gun on everything like Reck did earlier, and I want to try it.
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It was, but I'm serious at the same time.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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It's a better choice than blindly pursuing something I'm not fully confident in myself to the point where it will likely become a tunnel that won't stop.
What do you think of shos? Comments were made early about people potentially using the claims to avoid doing anything, his ISO doesn't really do much even though he never claims. He has a fair amount of posts, he declares two townreads and a scumread but that's about it.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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Right now I'm trying to figure out what I make of icerink asking why I'm demotivated. Because yes, I would probably either be either hyper motivated or hyper demotivated as scum but even if I was scum wouldn't I just use that as an excuse for how demotivated I was? It's a pointless question that won't really help sort me any, but could alleviate some suspicion as to why Mala wasn't trying to sort me out. I do like that they tried early, I just don't really understand the point of doing it this early in the game, and I'm frankly surprised it shone through. The first line shafting blame onto his teammate bugs me too.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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Of course, you just voted him which I totally forgot.
I'm interested to see Cabd's catchup, I'm interested to see if Who has any response at all for the policy lynch suggestion (not so much a response, I'm moreso looking for him to actually try to do things this game). That being said, if he doesn't do anything, he should be purged before lylo.
I liked reck's admission of it being baseless and essentially trying to find something to get us out of lylo, as well as him trying to pidgeonhole the available routes for cabd to take.
I like tiershift's abrasion, but then his reach out to who felt genuine. It didn't feel like buddying, it felt like he actually wanted him to succeed. That being said, I have some issue with everything negative that tiershift finds he just says 'this is shitty' without any elaboration on what makes it shitty. I liked how he approached shos about reck, it felt like he was trying to get an idea of whereh e stood before he pitched the wagon to him.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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My biggest issue with cephrir is his aggression- granted, that's my biggest issue with most of this playerlist, it feels like the game just started yet most of us want to kill each other.
I eagerly await Cabd's catchup tomorrow.
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In post 302, copper223 wrote:- NS is being townread by most players,
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No.
I think Cabd expressed an interest in my claim and said he had reason to believe it was true, I think you have declared a townread on me and that''s it.
In post 304, pirate mollie wrote:7. so notty and iceyrent are both being boring. I hope that at least 1 of those kicks the ball at some point.
I am actually doing things and not trying to be volatile
But okayIn post 312, Cabd wrote:Who's response to my PL thing pretty much sorts him as town
Not really.In post 312, Cabd wrote:LLD being emotional about losing the tokens doesn't make her town this time, it just makes her (rightfully) pissed about last time.
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I didn't like how that slot got townbinned for was essentially an emotional response in the same breath as LLD's was ignored (although granted, I agree with ignoring it but)
I also think him putting himself at the mercy of his townreads instead of just keeping it in his team makes me raise an eyebrow.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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I thoguht you had read up hence your "kick the ball" comment.
Reck- town, I felt his early idea was trying to pidgeonhole cabd's options, like town woudl want to do to scum
Copper- maybe town, His stance on me, the cocky way he is like "heh you're just mad lurking is a scumtell of yours" felt townish to me.
Cabd- I am not really sure. I expected more from his catchup so right now he's scumleaning for me, I didn't like the discrepancy I noted before.
Icerink- I'm wifoming myself about this based off of Mala inquiring about why I'm demotivated, because a big part of it was surprise it was so apparent, and I was wondering why she needed to ask because she saw how hard I would tilt based on other stuff back when we hydra'd' last fall so I guess I understand she wants to see if it was scum demotivation or not I just think that was to try and keep up appearances. So, I think scum. I also didn't like how he shafted all blame for the idea on mala.
LLD- She came into this game with a post that felt to me like testing the waters to see if she could pull off an apathy position this game. It was met with "why not just trade with your teammates" and then she was like "fine ill do things" and then I mentioned that first post felt like scum testing the waters and she started raging at me and then people were like oh rage looks town except I am like um no its not really alignment indicative and the only person who I have seen agree with that is cabd which is making me look at her even funnier but this isn't really a heavy priority thing I am pushing
Shos- He has done like nothing while we talked about using the massclaim to avoid doing things he delayed his claim for a year before he did anything but I feel like theres not a ton to read off of him its just like oh cool theres a wagon but then reck and his merry men are townreading him and I dont really understand why
tbone- same thing, omgus and doing nothing but that apparently means he is town so ???
Ceph- he claimed miller early and has been like weirdly aggressive all game. Something something would scum really claim miller in a setup where there are 36 people evaluatingyour every move? I need to read over him some more but
Tiershift- Hes being really abrasive, thats about all I remember for him so null
kats- i dunno
rhinox- He feels like hes not tryign to ruffle any feathers which is kinda what im trying to avoid doing too so I cant really say its a scum thing like it would normally be but I like his push on shosShowSTRIKE HARD
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In post 351, pirate mollie wrote:so after all of that writing why do you not wanna lynch kats whom you have as "I dunno"
Because why pursue a nonentity when you can pursue someone who is actually here
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Early parts of shos's Iso looked really bad but his walls are okayish.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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In post 360, pirate mollie wrote:cos you linked to tboner's iso and I am trying to figure out why
do you think he is an active lurker?
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In post 516, shos wrote:what was the purpose of you lying there, knowingly? are you really hated or are you lying tehre too?
I am really hated. My purpose was to see if someone would try to fuck with the VCA, which would mean that scum were lying and therefore Cabd was town. My role before sort of implied a secondary roleblocker, hence me pushing those who hadn't claimed (see earlier posts) to claim, however I didn't think it through and realize that figuring out who was lying is a crapshoot and at best just means Cabd is town.In post 516, shos wrote:NS's 269 sucks loads of butt. PLing a lurker all of a sudden?
Sorry my posts don't meet /your/ approval, I'll do my best to meet your high expectations next time, don't you worry.In post 551, Katsuki wrote:I NEED YOU TO HELP PERK ME UP PERKYPHYSICS : (
I'm being picked on again ._.
Sucks to be you?
Also, I rather liked LLD's post about the scores.ShowSTRIKE HARD
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In post 520, shos wrote:NS' 344 is not only parroting of multiple others but also actually uses the same words used by cephrir I think
That slot goes up the scum rank, I think.
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The reason I ask, is because in the time since Cabd had started posting again up until that post I do not see a single person saying anything I have, yet that's apparently parroting?ShowSTRIKE HARD
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I'm currently going through Shos's posts trying to figure out how his stance on me works.
First, he finds my post 223 town enough to gain a townlean on it's own.
Then, 269 where I say I would be fine lynching cabd if I saw nothing from him soon, gains me massive scumpoints. I never said this was a PL (granted I think in my initial readup response I did but I think I mistook this post for my wall post where I said I was fine wiht lynching tbone. I never said this was a PL.
That post alone, was enough to override the initial townread and shove me into probscum. That doesn't seem like a town mindset.
In post 520, shos wrote:@284 - the idea is not that I agree/disagree with that post at all. I think it's wrong, yes, but that is irrelevant, because the reason I think it is wrong is information that I think a townie may not think of, ergo, this can come from a town mindset. note that I said I *CAN* see how this..etc, not I *THINK* that this..etc. The idea is that it is not a "OH YOU MUST BE TOWN", and rather a, "oh you may be town after all". and yeah, of course these stuff can be faked, everything can be faked. I'm very good as scum, you don't have to teach me. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE TUNNEL. this is not a me-building-up-for-scumreading-you (I'm not, as of now, in case you missed), this is NOT ABOUT YOU. so it does not even matter if you said this too.
that's because you're building up to scumread me! I don't like the nitpicking word choice, but I just wanted to quote this because this feels like exactly what you are doing to me, and you're just like "dw ceph Im not doing it to you!"
His post to reck feels like he's testing the waters on one of the only two people liable to defend me if he wanted to start a wagon on me, given that most of his reasons to scumread me are flimsy and false its like he was looking for a way to get a scumread going on me because his teammates said that only two people were townreading me.
In post 536, shos wrote:wtf. like on the one hand I'd very much like to vote you right now and on the other I see all the votes piling so quick that it makes sense you're just being scumvoted
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This wagon is a good wagon. mark these guys on it as a group of at least 4 townies
Also should be taking some looks at those who lurked so far. it's been a week almost, no excuses
Why did I get scumread for expressing interest in a lurker then? Why is that wagon a "good wagon" and why are all of those people town? What happeened to "mollie hasn't posted enough to townread her?" You've said ceph is town. That's the only person on this wagon you've committed a read on up until this point and hten you just throw this in there like "oh this wagon has at least 4 town!" which doesn't make any sense considering the only reads you have given up until this point are Me, Reck, TS, and ceph.
A big thread in his catchups is "noone has given any reasons I'm easily scum" which I will reread and verify, but I remember at least asking LLD to elaborate some on her shos read.
In post 562, shos wrote:I can live with a kats lynch but I'd rather an NS lynch as of now.
You've commented on 3 posts of mine. 1 was a townish post. 1 was a post where I was interested in a lurker that you took for a PL but was moreso for what everyone else said about scum-him would want to hide and promise shit that never comes. 1 was a post where you accuse me of parroting that is blatantly false if you read the thread. This looks like you setting yourself up to join kats wagon later and then push me tomorrow.
And then "lol havent voted better vote ns"
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Not hated in lylo, nitpicking because I used a term I saw that was fresh in my mind and seemed to fit hte occasion, so that makes it buddying? That seems legit.In post 607, shos wrote:It doesn't even matter if the people are different, the fact is that it looks like you're trying to get on their good side
why did you use the word 'townbinned', and not say, townread, or anything more normal? coincidence?
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btwto see the validity of shos's read
Step 1: Go back to where cabd came back, and was talking about herding children or something like that.
Read up until post 344, where shos said I parroted others and use the same words as ceph
Do I parrot anyone?
I do use the same words, does that make any sense in terms of alignment?
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