Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[notscience]

I am a miller.

VOTE: LLD

One scum down.

Are you conditional

[notscience]

Btw I am hated

[notscience]

Yep, hence why I asked.

pedit-

^

[notscience]

btw last game I was just a normal, ordinary townie

[notscience]

So, glad to see everyone signed up for this exciting thing we haven't had in forever and is being dragged down by a playerlist, being toxic for god knows why, and the game is only 4 pages in.

Hi guys
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I think we should be massclaiming our prior roles. I especially want to hear from prior scum about how their fake claims were structured/set up.

I'll start, even. I was town day mailman, night "beyond the grave" message leaver.

Can you clarify what this is supposed to mean?

I'm on mobile all day, out w/ fam. I was an informed townie previously. I knew that a specific role name was town but not who they were.

Why did you do this but we have rhinox over there with this and more?

I just got home, was out all day with family. I was mobile posting all day.

Cabd is actually scum, though, because of that policy lynch + HEY YALL LETS TALK ABOUT PRIOR ROLES BECAUSE UHHH MOD META ANYTHING TO STOP ME FROM HAVING TO TALK ABOUT REAL THINGS

And Cephrir's insistence that I'm scum based on (???) and then refusal to explain/elaborate when I pressed him further is bad, too.

This doesn't make sense. First off, he posted it so early in the game that there wasn't even anything else for him to try and avoid talking about. Second, something something starting a policy lynch is a null tell.

Third, the biggest issue I've had with ceph is his attitude, because it feels like most of this playerlist is going to be dysfunctional which is already setting us up for failure.

Also-
cabd- mailman
who- 1-shot bp miller?
reck- informed townie
ceph- sui 2shot reflex doc
copp- flavor conditional cop
ts- macho framing bg
rhinox- limited rolecop
t-bone- flavor cop who could tell if someone killed
ns- vt

[notscience]

Were scum made aware of each other's roles?

[notscience]

Also-
cabd- mailman

who- 1-shot bp miller?

reck- informed townie
ceph- sui 2shot reflex doc
copp- flavor conditional cop
ts- macho framing bg
rhinox- limited rolecop
t-bone- flavor cop who could tell if someone killed
ns- vt
icerink- tracker

We're missing 2 scum claims and 1 town

pedit-
Who those sound like flavor claims not actual roles.

[notscience]

Well here I am, hiding behind it. Who saying the other two had investigative roles is interesting because from what it sounds like all we had was a metric fuckton o finvestigative which is really strange.

And I'd wager it's the kinda thing where he wouldn't want to stick one of his friends in that situation either, but I can understand where this one comes from.

[notscience]

Also to note: There was board game mafia a while back, and I don't know the current validity of this or not, but Morph (him/ffery) made a comment about how the pro-town charter that was presented (essentially, it was like "be protown! we agree to be protown and have fun!') and their comment was "If we were scum, we would just spend the majority of day 1 outlining this contract." so yes, I do see why that might be an issue, but I think it's only an issue if thats all he does today. ie, you might have jumped the gun a bit on that.

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No idea, you have a claim?

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What do you have meta of me off of?

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I posted in Plants vs Zombies as scum.

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If anything, this game is different than every game I have had of recent, which if you went to check (which, basing off your "if he posts he's town") thing, you haven't done, you'd see that lately my site activity has been pretty low egardless of alignment, and my ingame activity has bee pretty piss-poor, kinda just sitting around looking for a direction to pursue, and this game I actually seem like I have a head on my shoulders which should probably raise some flags, no?

Or are you content with your townread off of one scumgame's meta based on the amount of posting I do.

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That being said, my reservations aside, I think you're town at the moment for trying to thin the herd some, in any way you can. Do I think some of the reasoning is flawed? Yes. But flawed reasoning does not a scum make.

[notscience]

Shos lld and muffincat need to claim their prior roles.

[notscience]

btw last game I was just a

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ownie

I was a roleblocker who, if roleblocked, killed both myself and my roleblocker.

That seems pretty strange given there wasn't any other roleblocker claim.

notscience, any commentary relevant to the actual game events?

Copper looks town

I think someone lied about hteir prior role which would probably make cabd town

I think LLD looks like scum

More elaboration on this after I get some food in me, I'm not exactly lucid

our previous roles were claimed by Who earlier in this game. Page 5 I think? I CBA'd to find and quote it, but he wasn't lying.

This bugs me because why does scum need 2 investigative roles and a bulletproof?

I'm not sure about this, but Mala is pretty insistent.

Notscience, could you speak to why you were somewhat demotivated going into this game?

You may decline to answer.

Yes, I will answer, but my only answer will be yes.

[notscience]

Rather if you had to phrase it like that you already know the answer that you seek

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Then someone who was town last game lied? Or maybe it was a red herring.

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Because there is value in figuring out/speccing/lying about the previous setup (which you also did anyway)? Walk me through the pointlessness NotSci.

Well for one, if Cabd is town and was interested in the setup and scum a wanted to throw his setup spec off in the hopes it could effect his reads, what would scum a do? And yeah I lied, oh well.

Not lying anymore.

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The reason I think copper is town is a lot of the early showing of trying to figure things out, his discrediting my attempts to discredit his townread on me, and I feel like the cockiness regarding his read on me likely comes from town.

I think LLD is scum because the first post about how this playerlist sucks felt like testing the waters, seeing if she could get away with doing fuckall this game, after the "damn I was so excited I drew scum and then it was ruined!" it felt fake to me, however when it went over poorly she decided to step up to the plate which bugs me.

[notscience]

Because what better way to motivate yourself than to make everyone else not want to play?

This isn't a matter of me not empathizing, because frankly none of the people I wanted to play with are in this game. This isn't a matter of me being a moron or in an ass backwards universe or whatever you want to call it to try and make me not want to pursue all ventures. You definitely came into this game one way and swapped that, and as either alignment you would say what you said above so excuse me if I take it with a grain of salt.

pedit-

Not really, it was null, but okay.

[notscience]

Embracing my inner ffery.

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fferyllt has a habit of being stingy with her votes early in the game, and I'm testing it out because normally I jump the gun on everything like Reck did earlier, and I want to try it.

pedit-

It was, but I'm serious at the same time.

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It's a better choice than blindly pursuing something I'm not fully confident in myself to the point where it will likely become a tunnel that won't stop.

What do you think of shos? Comments were made early about people potentially using the claims to avoid doing anything, his ISO doesn't really do much even though he never claims. He has a fair amount of posts, he declares two townreads and a scumread but that's about it.

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Right now I'm trying to figure out what I make of icerink asking why I'm demotivated. Because yes, I would probably either be either hyper motivated or hyper demotivated as scum but even if I was scum wouldn't I just use that as an excuse for how demotivated I was? It's a pointless question that won't really help sort me any, but could alleviate some suspicion as to why Mala wasn't trying to sort me out. I do like that they tried early, I just don't really understand the point of doing it this early in the game, and I'm frankly surprised it shone through. The first line shafting blame onto his teammate bugs me too.

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Of course, you just voted him which I totally forgot.

I'm interested to see Cabd's catchup, I'm interested to see if Who has any response at all for the policy lynch suggestion (not so much a response, I'm moreso looking for him to actually try to do things this game). That being said, if he doesn't do anything, he should be purged before lylo.

I liked reck's admission of it being baseless and essentially trying to find something to get us out of lylo, as well as him trying to pidgeonhole the available routes for cabd to take.

I like tiershift's abrasion, but then his reach out to who felt genuine. It didn't feel like buddying, it felt like he actually wanted him to succeed. That being said, I have some issue with everything negative that tiershift finds he just says 'this is shitty' without any elaboration on what makes it shitty. I liked how he approached shos about reck, it felt like he was trying to get an idea of whereh e stood before he pitched the wagon to him.

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Rather not being baseless but being weak

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Why?

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So it's essentially like their ISOs.

Because

that

makes sense. Do they have any ruling on the more active players? Tiershift, LLD, etc?

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My biggest issue with cephrir is his aggression- granted, that's my biggest issue with most of this playerlist, it feels like the game just started yet most of us want to kill each other.

I eagerly await Cabd's catchup tomorrow.

What do you think of icerink?

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I would be fine voting Cabd if I don't see anything from him soon.

Hi mollie!

[notscience]

Waiting for Cabd to catchup personally, would love to see your catchup!

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- NS is being townread by most players,

Um

No.

I think Cabd expressed an interest in my claim and said he had reason to believe it was true, I think you have declared a townread on me and that''s it.

7. so notty and iceyrent are both being boring. I hope that at least 1 of those kicks the ball at some point.

I am actually doing things and not trying to be volatile

But okay

Who's response to my PL thing pretty much sorts him as town

Not really.

LLD being emotional about losing the tokens doesn't make her town this time, it just makes her (rightfully) pissed about last time.

So much this. >_>

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Mollie why do you think I'm not kicking the ball

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Because I'm playing levelheadedly and not getting into scraps or using my vote yet?

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Can you elaborate on how Who's reaction is town for me?

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reck what do you think of cabd's recent showing

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I didn't like how that slot got townbinned for was essentially an emotional response in the same breath as LLD's was ignored (although granted, I agree with ignoring it but)

I also think him putting himself at the mercy of his townreads instead of just keeping it in his team makes me raise an eyebrow.

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mollie you seem like youve read the game some, why didnt you call out copper's comment about me being a fairly common townread

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Why?

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I thoguht you had read up hence your "kick the ball" comment.

Reck- town, I felt his early idea was trying to pidgeonhole cabd's options, like town woudl want to do to scum

Copper- maybe town, His stance on me, the cocky way he is like "heh you're just mad lurking is a scumtell of yours" felt townish to me.

Cabd- I am not really sure. I expected more from his catchup so right now he's scumleaning for me, I didn't like the discrepancy I noted before.

Icerink- I'm wifoming myself about this based off of Mala inquiring about why I'm demotivated, because a big part of it was surprise it was so apparent, and I was wondering why she needed to ask because she saw how hard I would tilt based on other stuff back when we hydra'd' last fall so I guess I understand she wants to see if it was scum demotivation or not I just think that was to try and keep up appearances. So, I think scum. I also didn't like how he shafted all blame for the idea on mala.

LLD- She came into this game with a post that felt to me like testing the waters to see if she could pull off an apathy position this game. It was met with "why not just trade with your teammates" and then she was like "fine ill do things" and then I mentioned that first post felt like scum testing the waters and she started raging at me and then people were like oh rage looks town except I am like um no its not really alignment indicative and the only person who I have seen agree with that is cabd which is making me look at her even funnier but this isn't really a heavy priority thing I am pushing

Shos- He has done like nothing while we talked about using the massclaim to avoid doing things he delayed his claim for a year before he did anything but I feel like theres not a ton to read off of him its just like oh cool theres a wagon but then reck and his merry men are townreading him and I dont really understand why

tbone- same thing, omgus and doing nothing but that apparently means he is town so ???

Ceph- he claimed miller early and has been like weirdly aggressive all game. Something something would scum really claim miller in a setup where there are 36 people evaluatingyour every move? I need to read over him some more but

Tiershift- Hes being really abrasive, thats about all I remember for him so null

kats- i dunno

rhinox- He feels like hes not tryign to ruffle any feathers which is kinda what im trying to avoid doing too so I cant really say its a scum thing like it would normally be but I like his push on shos

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so after all of that writing why do you not wanna lynch kats whom you have as "I dunno"

Because why pursue a nonentity when you can pursue someone who is actually here

He has one post so I mean I guess you can say "lynch the lurker" but I would want an active lurker over him

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kats will get FR'd if he doesnt post soon or if he keeps prod dodging we can lynch him but its not a hgih priority of mine

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

Early parts of shos's Iso looked really bad but his walls are okayish.

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and even then its not a matter of "I want to lynch an active lurker right now" its "I would lynch an active lurker over a slot that is liable to be replaced"

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someone who is doing next to nothing (ie providing stuff that will help read them or heavy pushing or something( yet is posting a fair amount

why

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cos you linked to tboner's iso and I am trying to figure out why

do you think he is an active lurker?

Yes

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@LLD I coul dhave sworn I saw some comments like it, will reread and quote.

@kats- perkyphysics

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force replaced

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Note to reread tomorrow.

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I will try to be here tonight.

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what was the purpose of you lying there, knowingly? are you really hated or are you lying tehre too?

I am really hated. My purpose was to see if someone would try to fuck with the VCA, which would mean that scum were lying and therefore Cabd was town. My role before sort of implied a secondary roleblocker, hence me pushing those who hadn't claimed (see earlier posts) to claim, however I didn't think it through and realize that figuring out who was lying is a crapshoot and at best just means Cabd is town.

NS's 269 sucks loads of butt. PLing a lurker all of a sudden?

Sorry my posts don't meet /your/ approval, I'll do my best to meet your high expectations next time, don't you worry.

I NEED YOU TO HELP PERK ME UP PERKYPHYSICS : (

I'm being picked on again ._.

Sucks to be you?

Also, I rather liked LLD's post about the scores.

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NS' 344 is not only parroting of multiple others but also actually uses the same words used by cephrir I think
That slot goes up the scum rank, I think.

Quote your proof, please.

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The reason I ask, is because in the time since Cabd had started posting again up until that post I do not see a single person saying anything I have, yet that's apparently parroting?

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I'm currently going through Shos's posts trying to figure out how his stance on me works.

First, he finds my post 223 town enough to gain a townlean on it's own.

Then, 269 where I say I would be fine lynching cabd if I saw nothing from him soon, gains me massive scumpoints. I never said this was a PL (granted I think in my initial readup response I did but I think I mistook this post for my wall post where I said I was fine wiht lynching tbone. I never said this was a PL.

That post alone, was enough to override the initial townread and shove me into probscum. That doesn't seem like a town mindset.

@284 - the idea is not that I agree/disagree with that post at all. I think it's wrong, yes, but that is irrelevant, because the reason I think it is wrong is information that I think a townie may not think of, ergo, this can come from a town mindset. note that I said I *CAN* see how this..etc, not I *THINK* that this..etc. The idea is that it is not a "OH YOU MUST BE TOWN", and rather a, "oh you may be town after all". and yeah, of course these stuff can be faked, everything can be faked. I'm very good as scum, you don't have to teach me. GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE TUNNEL. this is not a me-building-up-for-scumreading-you (I'm not, as of now, in case you missed), this is NOT ABOUT YOU. so it does not even matter if you said this too.

that's because you're building up to scumread me! I don't like the nitpicking word choice, but I just wanted to quote this because this feels like exactly what you are doing to me, and you're just like "dw ceph Im not doing it to you!"

His post to reck feels like he's testing the waters on one of the only two people liable to defend me if he wanted to start a wagon on me, given that most of his reasons to scumread me are flimsy and false its like he was looking for a way to get a scumread going on me because his teammates said that only two people were townreading me.

wtf. like on the one hand I'd very much like to vote you right now and on the other I see all the votes piling so quick that it makes sense you're just being scumvoted

Katsuki (5): Iecerint, copper223, Lady Lambdadelta, Cephrir, pirate mollie
This wagon is a good wagon. mark these guys on it as a group of at least 4 townies

Also should be taking some looks at those who lurked so far. it's been a week almost, no excuses

Why did I get scumread for expressing interest in a lurker then? Why is that wagon a "good wagon" and why are all of those people town? What happeened to "mollie hasn't posted enough to townread her?" You've said ceph is town. That's the only person on this wagon you've committed a read on up until this point and hten you just throw this in there like "oh this wagon has at least 4 town!" which doesn't make any sense considering the only reads you have given up until this point are Me, Reck, TS, and ceph.

A big thread in his catchups is "noone has given any reasons I'm easily scum" which I will reread and verify, but I remember at least asking LLD to elaborate some on her shos read.

I can live with a kats lynch but I'd rather an NS lynch as of now.

You've commented on 3 posts of mine. 1 was a townish post. 1 was a post where I was interested in a lurker that you took for a PL but was moreso for what everyone else said about scum-him would want to hide and promise shit that never comes. 1 was a post where you accuse me of parroting that is blatantly false if you read the thread. This looks like you setting yourself up to join kats wagon later and then push me tomorrow.

And then "lol havent voted better vote ns"

I don't understand how this is a logical thought pattern at all.

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Also, why is me wanting to lynch cabd for lurking a major scumthing and then no comment on the same thread re:t-bone?

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Not hated in lylo, nitpicking because I used a term I saw that was fresh in my mind and seemed to fit hte occasion, so that makes it buddying? That seems legit.

It doesn't even matter if the people are different, the fact is that it looks like you're trying to get on their good side
why did you use the word 'townbinned', and not say, townread, or anything more normal? coincidence?

How the fuck does using the same term as someone aim to get on their good side

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btw

to see the validity of shos's read

Step 1: Go back to where cabd came back, and was talking about herding children or something like that.

Read up until post 344, where shos said I parroted others and use the same words as ceph

Do I parrot anyone?

I do use the same words, does that make any sense in terms of alignment?

Thank you, have a nice day.

[notscience]

It's only like 2 pages and none of them were long posts.

[notscience]

VOTE: Shos

#actualomgus

#breakingmysilence

[notscience]

Scumx2+1 is lylo in any game

And I said I was conditional and someone else said that was probably the condition, why did you not ask verification or something?

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And I guess this means you'll actually have to commit a read to me now!

[notscience]

No.

It says that while there are more than twice the scum+1 players alive I am hated.

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Which, is lylo.

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Even in mylo id still need a town vote for scum to pile on

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I need to look at katsuki some.

Also I don't know, rhinox.

[notscience]

mollie the interactino that bugs me is shos/lld

Also I owe LLD an answer, will ISO muffincat

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mollie I'm being selfcentered and want your opinion on me please!

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I don't see why I'm the person scum-kats woudl reachout to in order ti start a wagon. That alone makes me lean town.

[notscience]

Ask mala when she gets back to revisit her read on me, tia.

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icerink was her scumread before or after your question or both

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Shos is easily scum, but you're very clearly busing him.

And I'm positive that it will be harder to lynch you later than it will be to lynch Shos, so I'm handling this today.

This post in particular jumps out.

It feels like duo-scum.

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Ftr, it's not really a game relevant situation, hence my response in the way it was. Also, I now think icerink is town.

[notscience]

It feels like you are giving a buddy wiggle room after an early push on him.

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mollie I would like to know what you think of me!

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btw rhinox that post you thought was to you was to lld not ot you

also mollie what do you think of shos not making sense/blatantly misrepping the thread

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Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

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VOTE: cephrir

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There sure is a vote on me

Please, give a case on me, I could use a fight to get back into this game!

blame mastin :p

Mollie what do you think of icerink?

I'm not rally reading him based off him I'm more reading him based off mala but

I am never a fan of pbpa being an auto townread as you well know! the 1 thing that he has done that I liked was point out why he was sort of townreading cephrir.

but other than that I don't think iceyrent is doing anything that super wows me into going "iceyrent is so town!" but then I am NOT the best at reading him. I am not sure about him giving a pass to reck but ugh.

What do you think of his elaboration on mala's thought process re:me? That's the thing I have been like "okay that seems town"

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Tbh mollie I don't know the markers and just because I used them there doesn't mean I actually know them

And it's not so much that he is townreading me it's the progression, like I can actually see that being mala's progression of thoughts

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Also the big issue with how I played in PvZ was I let you and others drive the lynches and followed behind them whereas here im trying to be proactive

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It's shocking to me that you can possibly have zero read on all of Rhinox, copper, mollie and Iec.

I'm reading two and a half of them as town pretty handily.

I was wondering this too but shos and I often disagree on reads! sometimes he will work with me and sometimes he won't, I learned this in hu2 and hu1 I think. I think his readslist looks awful especially with lurkers being a good chunk of his townreads but bad reads /= scum.

mastin says making shit up and misrepping the thread means town shos

So I don't know

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Well rather, that is how I described shos in the PT and then mastin said that was town

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I could be persuaded to vote reck

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Then maybe you reck should put his name in a random spot in every post of yours so he has to read them!

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translation: "I can live with any mislynch, guys, just lead it and I'll join"

There you go, you're finally starting to catch on to the right buttons to push when trying to lynch me! Sorry I don't have many strong townreads and therefore don't care who gets lynched in a game rampant with lurkers,

my bad

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Mollie I better be in that list.

[notscience]

the fuck is that

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T-Bone (1): T-Bone

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My biggest question is if it locks the vote or not.

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I have a swell idea

How about cabd catches up and we read him instead of his role

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How can a proven claim be bullshit

And I doubt day 2 is going to be better, scum will kill someone active who actually gives a shit and this will turn into just another lurker randlynching spree to decide the victor of the game.

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VOTE: Cabd

Because I don't want a last second deadline scramble for a lynch.

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>_>

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Mollie I voted cabd due to the impending deadline. I don't think he's scum, but he's the biggest wagon.

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VOTE: muffincat

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Okay.

[notscience]

VOTE: muffincat

In case this wasn't clear.

VOTE: katsuki

[notscience]

Who let this loser in.

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Idk, am I bins?

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Ceph, I'm actually curious for you to elaborate on why you think I'm scum.

[notscience]

Yep I've definitely done nothing all game, you've got me.

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Bins I expect a read on me first thing when you get back or I lynch you tomorrow tia

[notscience]

>_>

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Really, I hate both of these lynches.

[notscience]

Stop making excuses

1 word

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Holy shit

Bins

Those are some reads bins

those are some reads

[notscience]

It could be the 3 town in your scumreads.

[notscience]

I can understand why you're misreading me and cabd but I don't understand the mollie read.

[notscience]

Well here I am

talking to you

When can I expect my rightful place

[notscience]

No.

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I mean it's blatantly obvious why your read is what it is but the fact you're only taking my tone into account in comparison to actually doing shit or not is annoying.

[notscience]

Doesn't mean it doesn't irk me.

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Ceph/reck/tier

Good night Los angeles

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The reason this game is so bad is so many people came in expecting it to be and it just got absorbed by the rest of the playerlist.

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Cabd is still town, and I think kats is too

So it doesnt really matter which lynch happens today, because both suck.

Let's talk about someting of more importance.

[notscience]

So it doesnt really matter which lynch happens today, because both suck.

yeah in a weird way i have to agree

they dont feel right

>.> which again means my reads are wrong

What was your first clue

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Dodge, VLA for a few days.

VOTE: ceph

in the meantime

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mastin is screaming to high heavens to lynch ceph

I will havem ore on thursday

here's jim with sports

[notscience]

I will be here tomorrow and sharing mastinreads

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mastin's musing's-

Vote for Ceph coming in to today after the flip yday
She is in here saying CEPH IS SCUM
Shos is town because she says so
She believes t-bone and thinks Eddie is town
She thinks rhinox is probtown

She looked at the end of day wagon, and has
Eddie, Iec, T-bone as town- (Eddie b/c mollie was town, iec is trust and content, tbone for role)
Reck as mebbetown- (looks more like town than not)
Rhinox is probtown- (mastin likes his posting)

she thinks the offwagon looks towndriven
Ceph is scum because his role looks like scum and posting makes him pure scum
Cabd is probably scum because posting and town-driven wagon
Cabd is probably scum

And shos as town so PoE makes it LLD and tier

[notscience]

mastin insists this is town shos so

[notscience]

Here's your issue shos

You're asking for reasons people are townreading me to try and refute them, not help you reevaluate yours.

[notscience]

Because noone has listened to his stance regarding me because it's entirely formed out of misrepping the thread.

[notscience]

inb4 he townreads me

[notscience]

Mastins musings again-

ceph defending tbone gives him a pass
lld looks like scum now
mastin saw the avy change

@Cephs comment about them having a "because"- They didnt at first, mastin gave me some later
@shos's comment about mastin faking meta or something- Why wouldnt mastin just replace in for me then?
@shos's "mastin knows mastin town"- yea but that doesnt mean she can replicate it

VOTE: cabd
@Wis- Mastin wants a cabd vote

REVISED READS
Wis- town because mollie
Iec- trust
shos- town because townplay and mastin wants his wagon to die
tbone- claim is extremely unlikely to come from scum
Rhinox- solid posting, likes thought process
reck- could be scum but isnt likely given his stances
ceph- could be scum but if theres a sliver of hope ceph is town mastin wants ceph to live

leftovers-
tiershift- solid "meh" read
lld- vaguely suspicious content given her stances
cabd- just looks like scum

@wis- I was scumreading shos but it's just a shiny thing and mastin has more experience than me in dealing with shos and decrees this is town shos so

[notscience]

I have read 38 pages. Still not liking Ceph. My gut also doesn't like Iecerint much. Relatively confident that {ns, shos, Reck, LLD, Rhinox} are all town. Not quite sure on the other three yet.

If its any consolation i am reading iec based on mala so

[notscience]

I rather like having someone who actually can outargue LLD's rage in this game

It's kinda nice.

[notscience]

Wis has mollie commented any more on me

[notscience]

Anyways, I would be up for both lynches because I'm scum shopping around.

I won't lynch shos unless mastin greenlights me.

I am fine lynching LLD.

I am fine lynching cabd.

I have no qualms about lynching Tiershift or Ceph but this post will get mastin to yell at me.

[notscience]

Wis mastin isn't online every time you snap your fingers, lol.

[notscience]

Prod acknowledged, I will be here tomorrow.

[notscience]

VOTE: LLD

[/things]

I have mastin musings to relay later tonight

[notscience]

Because I think she is scum

VOTE: grey

[notscience]

My reasons? I never got over not liking her early stuff. Mastin has some comments re them that will be in the mastins musings later tonight.

I just wasn't really sure of it because none of my team was reading and I didn't care to give LLD an excuse to fill the thread with rage when i had noone to bounce stuff off of. Once mastin read and was suspecting her I felt somewhat reassured but my activity hasnt really been here so uh here I am and theres an lldslot vote

[notscience]

Replace outs are null.

[notscience]

I have no idae how it even happened, frankly.

And no, it's null.

[notscience]

Do you really think I give a shit

[notscience]

Yes. The way you're saying this feels like you're faking it.

I'm being honest, ***hole. I would expect you to know the difference.

[notscience]

ns, it's exactly because I know the difference

Don't you want to hear my excuse?

I'm thinkin' of tryin' out for a scholarship.

[notscience]

Depends, are you going to keep this stupid "replace out is town" bullshit going?

[notscience]

Hey wis

Lets play a game

its called

"Why is the replace out null!"

1) Because she was lurking and hardly keeping up in the first place

2) Because she replaced out into a dead slot (this is based on what greyice said) which will help if she is busy

3) Because regardless of preferred alignment, in team mafia where we score each other, as either alignment what score would you give LLD for mixing between lurkaderping and raging?

pedit-

Wisdom

You are a terrible ghost

pedit2-

No we're going to lynch greyice.

[notscience]

I read your reasoning

VOTE: greyice

Is my response to your reasoning.

[notscience]

Wis, lets play a game

its called

"Reasons why you are townreading this slot that are bad"

1) The frustration at the start of the game- It's not alignment indicative. She was in a playerlist of people she didnt want to play with.

2) The replace out- She has been busy, I mean look at her activity level. Her swapping with someone who is dead makes perfect sense.

And what scum says that? Scum trying to look defiant and tough despite hating the playerlist. ANd who could just be busy with real life.

[notscience]

Paranoia on me after he flips scum?

Keeping a player who often fucks up lylo alive until lylo?

[notscience]

Nah. he's just scum.

[notscience]

Handwave game goes both ways, wissy boy.

pedit-

Make me.

pedit-

Well I mean, he claimed to have groundbreaking information that I was town.

That came as a shock to me.

[notscience]

./handwave

[notscience]

Wisdom, you have asked me to convince you why you are wrong

I have tried

And after I tried, you ignored it.

So, again.

./handwave

[notscience]

You cannot convince me I am wrong because I'm not wrong. Grey is town.

Now stand there and let obvscum buddy you

And herein lies the issue

You are wrong and refusing to listen to reason

then bitching when I give you the same attitude you give me

So,

VOTE: greyice

[notscience]

I mean, I was going to go for "handwave anyone who tries to reason with you on a read" but you already took that train of action so

[notscience]

My goal here is lynching scum

And the way to reach my goal is to beat wisdom in an argument

[notscience]

The truth depends on where you stand.

Please highlight why all of my reasons are petty if you do so believe they are, and also why Tbone's posting is indicative of constant scumclaiming.

"IF YOU CANT SEE IT I CANT HELP YOU" is not an acceptable response.

[notscience]

This is the part where you handwave me yet again because of a fucking null tell

[notscience]

LLD's entrance felt like scum testing teh waters FOR the apathetic play that you so quickly handwave the potential of after the replace out.

It didnt go over well early so she pretended to do things

When most of the game started getting lurky she knew she could get away with it and also had rl bugging her so she can do it easy

But you're right, reads based on someone's posting is totally petty compared to reads based on someone's claimed actions.

My mistake.

[notscience]

Wisdom, you are looking at this in a vacuum.

Answer the following questions-

Did LLD like this playerlist?

Did LLD have free time in her life?

Did LLD enjoy posting?

[notscience]

Re the second: what if she thought she had time then suddenly life hit her hard?

And do you think that, regardless of alignment, the answers to most of those questions is no, and she had the opportunity to bow out and let someone else deal with this game, she would take it?

[notscience]

Sell me on them.

[notscience]

Yeah, we aren't lynching me.

[notscience]

here when I am not falling aslep

[notscience]

I'll be here tomorrow when Iger home

[notscience]

hi guys

what have I missed

[notscience]

I read her in isolation several times.

[notscience]

I have shit to say yonight

So someone unvote until I can talk

Tia

[notscience]

First off,

VOTE: Tiershift

Mastin's musings coming after I finish eating dinner.

Tiershift is our lynch today.

Also, is it massclaim time already?

[notscience]

For fucks sake I just lost everything I was typing

[notscience]

mastin's musings-
TS is textbook active lurking- his posts do a good job of looking town but dont actually try to advance anytihng
Re 2281- Last game I was a town roleblocker. If you truly think these setups are similar, such that ceph could be a scum miller again, the messenger again, how come town cant have another roleblocker?
re 2404 Shut up. You know mastin is

at least

semi-competent as town. Tbone is town. Your read on reck could be right. But, Tiershift is NOT TOWN. grey is NOT TOWN and ceph is a more likely third than reck
Greyice's claim is bs
re 2451 And what motive does a scum roleblocker have to claim to have targetted the obvtown nightkill? Why? Exactly. Tbone is town

I explained yesterday how Tbone was safeclaiming by saying he blocked me because he knew from Reck I had no night action.

This situation requires, as a necessity, for reck to be scum. So, even if (thisi s a big if) you are right, the obvious thing to do is to lynch reck first. not tbone, tbone is town
@Wis- Iece is town, period. You are wrong about grey. You are not considering obvscum tier.

GreyICE claims to have proof that NS is town
NS votes him

I have been instructed to provide instructions for the locale shos is to go for this heinous accusation, and it is a locale that is really hot every time of the year and satanic. I have zero reason to attack this as scum, but every to attack it as town
mastin really wants to think shos is scum because hes just so bad but she doesnt think he is
2782 is the most obvious scum-motivated post mastin has seen in ages and it went by unnoticed
2837 is also covering all bases. Defends grey, if greyice flips scum it pins it on me instead of him
And mastin has been screaming here for days trying to get me to post this stuff but I was in maryland and not having time for this so uh here it is.

kdone

Anyways, tier is scum.
Why is tier scum?
Active lurking.
Defending greyice while trying to find a way to line up a lynch after greyice should he get lynched.

and we are lynching tier today.

[notscience]

I can buy shosscum actually, this staticness of reads is really awkward. Going to add that to my rereadlist.

Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, blocking rhinox is still a scumclaim and I do not understand why you are thinking otherwise. Currently speaking to my team about it.

Can you explain why you think bone is town?

Look at this post

Now look again

What do you see

here is what you see

He claims that "blocking rhinox is a scumclaim" but do you see a vote on tbone in this post? no. He goes off to "speak to his team" but in reality it just looks like hes waffling around not wanting to be on a mislynch if he doesnt have to be, while also leaving the opportunity open to leave tbone to push tomorrow

and he opens up the opportunity to vote hsos but

Also this was a post brought to you by notsci inc, here to highlight your active lurking scumfucks. Now back to Krista with cosmetics.

Plus I dont think theres anyone actually townreading him but noone seems to want to lynch him for some reason?

Also I have more to my role than I've claimed! But it doesnt conflict with Grey's claim.

[notscience]

#sheepmastin2015

I might be here tomorrow night, depends how zonked I am after the 12 hour sale part 1