Signs and Void (Game Over) [TM2015]

[Aronis]

Hey guys, I'll read this tomorrow.

[Aronis]

@Aronis:

Hi.

Hi!

[Aronis]

@Aronis:

Hi.

Hi!

Hey, I'd love your thoughts... but please avoid emotion land if you can.

Anything specific I should look at?

Spoiler: short readslist

So the only input I have from my team is that ffery is town. So I am solely responsible for these reads.

Town:
Tammy
Marquis

Prob town:
Cheetory
DeasVail- I think he's town, I'm just not very confident in reading him after my last game with him.
Tso
Vezok
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CDB
GiF
UT
Gamma

Null:
Anyone not mentioned elsewhere.

Lean scum:
Titus- I've seen her towngame and this feels really off.
Bulba

I'm pretty happy with baning bulba at this point and I think I'd prefer it if Tammy got the boon assuming we get around to that.

Bane: Bulbazak

[Aronis]

Isn't the boon whichever choice we made? So it's a 1shot self watching bp vest or whatever.

[Aronis]

Boon: Marquis

I feel like she's 100% t8wn at this point and she wants it, so I'm happy giving it to her.

I still feel like Gamma is prob town and Espeonage has leapt to the top of my scumlist.

[Aronis]

This is me.

[Aronis]

And this is

[Aronis]

My pagetop!

[Aronis]

Asks fery's opinion. Votes against fery opinion when it also has support.

Did you forget to quote a post or something?

[Aronis]

Asks fery's opinion. Votes against fery opinion when it also has support.

Did you forget to quote a post or something?

Yes. Ffery hasn't explicitly given her boon choice I thought.

She pretty much said it was vezok???

[Aronis]

Sorry to disappoint Bulba, but that's my readlist. I don't have time to write walls.

[Aronis]

Oh wait, nvm. You're just mad bc I caught you. Quit trying to discredit my reads!

[Aronis]

Okay. So hard scum reads on Marquis and Aronis.

Oh wait, you're serious?

[Aronis]

boon: vezok

[Aronis]

Hi Aronis!
Tell me about your thoughts and feelings on CDB and Bulba tia.

CDB's a mild townread. Bulba is a scumread.

[Aronis]

Also, what happened to 100% town marquis vote?
Any reason you're switching?

The wagon had 2 votes on it at last vc and the other vote was a scumread. So with deadline approaching I needed to swap to one of the other wagons and I preferred vezok bc he's a stronger townread than tso, plus it's a ffery supported vote. My switching had nothing to do with a change of opinion ahout Marquis.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Telltaleheart

[Aronis]

According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.

Since when were we going to policy lynch someone?

[Aronis]

Yep. So earlier you seemed to indicate a scumread on me, but now you've switched to just wanting to policy lynch me. What changed? And why are you advocating a policy lynch over lynching your scumread?

[Aronis]

Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic? And when did fluff become a scum tell?

[Aronis]

Can you please point out where I have been opportunistic?

Shallow read list that copies the current consensus. Votes (and yes, I include banes and boons here too) that are only on the most popular wagon. Your entire vote/read history is "let's do what everyone else is doing".

And when did fluff become a scum tell?

Are you serious?

Maybe it's because those people are obvtown and stuff, has that ever crossed your mind? If everyone had a different perception of how scum are how the hell are we supposed to come to an agreement and lynch anyone? There's been 3 votes so far, vezok was a compromise bc of the deadline plus the innocent child supported that, I announced both of my other scumreads prior to voting them so it's not like I just jumped on each wagon as it came along.

[Aronis]

According to my teammate, antihero doesn't like playing as scum and tth isn't living up to town meta expectations.

Actually reading my posts would be a start.

The antihero replace out + tth's boon vote without explanation.

[Aronis]

You think vezok os scum bulba? Lol.

[Aronis]

@Bulba, I'd like to pick your brain on some of the places where we disagree on reads. If you could take for instance Vezok and state a simple case about why you're scumreading him and I'll state a simple case on why I'm townreading him and we can see if we can figure that out or not. You're my biggest townread in the game at the moment, and I don't like how your scumread by a lot of players. I also don't get it.

I'm reevaluating Vezok at the moment. I've asked Mollie to look over his ISO and let me know what she thinks, but her statement that Tammy is scum is making me consider that I've been off not only there, but also on Empire, which would put Vezok square in "most likely town". I may have just had a bad knee jerk reaction to him. I still hate the last post of his from the minor day, though.

P-edit: Why is your approval for TTH essentially Aronis's reason word for word?

Maybe it's because it's a good reason?

[Aronis]

Ok, I feel as if I am totally lost. The scumreads on Tammy, GiF and Bulba make no sense to me. I feel as if I am speaking Greek while everyone else is speaking Swahili.

I'm actually speaking English. I can switch to spanish if that'd help you though.

[Aronis]

CDB's a mild townread. Bulba is a scumread.

Would like to know why you think both of these things.

CDB is now a null read. I'm not willing to disclose my read on Bulba at this time to it not being that strong and I want to be able to keep a close eye on his behavior for a while longer before being 100% sure.

[Aronis]

You could just explain who your biggest scumread is and why.

I not really that sure about my scumread on you, my buoba scumread is somewhat omgus, so I'm not that sure about it. So probably one of espionage and tth (the only reason I'm as confident as I am in this one is bc my teammate agrees.)

Give me a min OK!?!

[Aronis]

UNVOTE: tth

Copper thinks tth's catchup stuff is indicative of town.

[Aronis]

I feel like you just made that really complicated for no reason.

[Aronis]

What's complicated about color codes?

You don't need the top unless you're checking my work.

Not color codes. All that math is just dumb.

Just say 12 days 3 hours for lynch 1, 6 days for lynch 2.

Unless it's mod enforced people aren't going to take that deadline so seriously that it needs to be exact.

[Aronis]

@signer: I never said it was scum or anything, just a waste of time.

[Aronis]

I think that was directed at me, Tammy,

[Aronis]

So what this conversation if you weren't going to bother posting anything related to reading someone. That looked like you were just trying to cause a distraction or post a filler or something. Ugh.

I was just trying to be active.

[Aronis]

Um...

@UT...when you said you forgot that Ffery was confirmed town, does that strike you as something one alignment would do over the other, or just a generic mistake? I'm going to explain my thoughts on that lest someone mistakes that for a trick question...

As town, my priorities are finding scum; however, in the absence of an ability to do so, town hunting could be considered equally important. In this particular instance, with the locked thread, the public mistake, the missed hours of game time...all kind of flashing red lights to what's going on, don't you think? Because of this, I have a

seriously

hard time believing it was just an oversight.

So let me explain why I think this is more likely to come from scum...

AS SCUM, you're trying to trick the town, or throw shit around, or blend in, or make enough noise that people get distracted, or whatever scum-playing tactic one might have, right? It's my theory that a scumUT was more concentrated on trying to pressure/find little indescrepencies with one of the most recent posts (probably didn't matter who the poster was) that could potentially thrust someone else into negative limelight.

His priority didn't read as "is this person scum" it reads "is this person scummy."

Preview Edit:
lol, it's k, yeah that was directed at Aronis, and should've said "so was" not "so what" but I digress...

Singer, you act like ut was paying attention all that time, based on his lack of activity he could have easily never looked at the thread during that time. I for one didn't see it in thread, but in the team mafia main thread a while after it had occured. And how exactly is it alignment indicative? I highly doubt he could trick 18 people into forgetting fferys status. While UT hasn't been the most helpful player, I feel like you're pushingnsomething that isn't there right how.

[Aronis]

Oh cool.

[Aronis]

A pagetop!

[Aronis]

VOTE: singersigner

I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.

[Aronis]

VOTE: singersigner

I just didn't feel like her scumreads were legit or genuine and after reading Shadoweh's last post it solidified what I was thinking.

Not legit scumreads?!?

Lol.

Walk me through this. What about my reads are disingenuious?

Who do you think is scum (ignore your current vote on me for a hot second)?

You can make up a scumread for any reason and that's exactly what you're doing. I feel like you got your scumreads out of thin air by just picking some things that were null and trying to explain it into being something scummy.

[Aronis]

I'll try to catchup tomorrow sometime.

[Aronis]

:sigh:

[Aronis]

I might look at this tomorrrow. I've just been busy and haven't had time to read 20 pages.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Espeonage

Singer's recent posts seem alright and I like the people on the espeonage wagon getter than the singer one. And this way the day might end sooner.

[Aronis]

VOTE: actiondan

Fairly happy with this lynch too. Oh wait, who am I kidding, it's page 113 on D1, I'm happy with any lynch.

[Aronis]

Cab we get back to the espe wagon? It's the only wagon I kinda like right now and this game is fucking dragging. We need to do two lynches in 5 days and we don't even have wagons.

How about we compromise? You vote AD and we lynch him, then immediately after that we can lynch esp.

[Aronis]

Or let's just try as hard as possible to no lynch.

[Aronis]

Cab we get back to the espe wagon? It's the only wagon I kinda like right now and this game is fucking dragging. We need to do two lynches in 5 days and we don't even have wagons.

How about we compromise? You vote AD and we lynch him, then immediately after that we can lynch esp.

Is there a better reason than pure numbers to demand a compromise via voting me when you have no particular lynch perference and could instead vote espe?

Nope.

[Aronis]

Pagetop.

[Aronis]

I'm not voting TSO.

[Aronis]

I'm not voting TSO.

Of course you aren't! It's a little early for bussing and who knows, maybe the wagon won't go anywhere!

My thoughts exactly.

[Aronis]

Well that tso lynch went well, didn't it?

VOTE: singer

[Aronis]

@Oversoul, why is Aronis a "vanity wagon"? It's (I think) Ffery endorsed and the second largest wagon.

And ffery endorsed wagons always end great, right?

[Aronis]

@Oversoul, why is Aronis a "vanity wagon"? It's (I think) Ffery endorsed and the second largest wagon.

And ffery endorsed wagons always end great, right?

Would you like to add anything to today that isn't bitching about the confirmed town's opinion of you?

Sure. Ummm, Bulbazak would ge a good lurker lynch since you seem to like those. If you want a policy lynch, Titus is great because that'd cut the average posts per mafia day by about 15%. If you want a townread, Ut is a good one. If you want to setup speculation, ffery's probably a death miller.

And if you need any more insights, doesn't hesitate to ask!

[Aronis]

Pagetop!

[Aronis]

Well my Bulba read hasn't really changed at all because he hasn't posted that much recently. [and if he did, titus probably drowned it out]

As far as singer goes, I had thought she was ungenuine earlier and making up reads, but recently my read on her hasn't been that solid.

[Aronis]

Ffery, do you have any scum reads other than cdb? Because a cdb lynch is essentially lynching tso a second time.

[Aronis]

Pagetop!

[Aronis]

Check your role pm, it should list your partners, and if not, try your private topic.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Titus

[Aronis]

UNVOTE:

[Aronis]

VOTE: espeonage

[Aronis]

55 minutes. Could people please vote espeonage?

[Aronis]

First!

[Aronis]

Choose: Lock

[Aronis]

Vote:Lock

Bulba, indeed. Ffery has asked us not to lynch Singer. Baning her gives her a day to recalibrate and Ffery doesn't roll over in her grave. If Singer is town, I would like her to reset. If Singer is town, with her reads, she'd likely hurt more than help.

669 posts and you haven't even started playing the game.

[Aronis]

Pagetop.

[Aronis]

@Aronis: And you have?

At least I have some reads of my own. All Titus has done is worship ffery.

[Aronis]

Clear reads as in I know where she stands on certain players regardless of what Ffery thinks. Compromising and working with players does not mean that you don't have reads of your own. I think it's pretty obvious who Titus thinks is town and scum.

She's not compromising though, falling over backwards to accommodate ffery would be more accurate.

[Aronis]

Bane: Mastin

[Aronis]

Prod dodge!

[Aronis]

Boon CDB

[Aronis]

VOTE: Espeonage

Espeonage and Titus are by far the best choices.

[Aronis]

Alright.

VOTE: Titus

[Aronis]

@Singer,

I see you have no problem with people who have been lurking, as long as they do what you want.

@Aronis,

Why are Espy and I the best choices?

Because you're scum.

[Aronis]

With 17 players alive it's 9 to Boon. Minor Day One ends on Monday, May 4th at 8:00 PM CST.

[Aronis]

Shut the fuck up with this townbLoc nonsense

That shit is not useful or townmotivated

^^^^^

[Aronis]

Why?

Also, why would you think Espy and I were scum together, despite Espy and I being at each other's throats most of the game? That just looks like reads of convience playing both sides so their happy.

We're both town btw.

Espeonage is scum for what happened yesterday at the end of the day. You're scum for playing antitown and don't even get me started about your mindless sheeping of ffery.

[Aronis]

VOTE: Bulba

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

[Aronis]

Aronis, what were your reasons for townreading TSO?

His early posts were super town. People wanted somebody to die and who better than a defenseless player with nobody attempting to stop his lynch.

[Aronis]

I just wish someone would fucking cop Titus. That is all I wish for in this world.

ARONIS IS LITERALLY TSO 2.0 THIS TOWN HATES LURKERS

And loves the super over active Titus who is obvscum.

[Aronis]

It's not that he doesn't post very much, it's that when he does post, it's

nothing

. Like, could somebody point me to anything that shows any amount of caring about the town? And then he shows up as soon as we wagon him after five days without saying anything?

Who said this is TSO-wagon 2.0?
Whoever that was hit the nail on the head.

No. TSO tried when under pressure. Aronis still refuses to. After TSO flipped town, town should be contributing, not lurksacking as lynching lurkers became a thing. Yet he is very likely cashing in on hesitation.

Tso tried and look what happened to him. He died anyway. So this is me not wasting my precious time only to end up dead.

[Aronis]

I'm up for lynching whomever and whatever, I honestly don't care anymore. Maybe scumTitus will nightkill me and put me out of my misery. Or maybe she'll keep me alive to keep her miserable for the rest of the game. Who knows! It's a mystery!

Welcome to the club!

[Aronis]

Okay, I've had enough depression for one night, I'll read 5450-70 the next time I think about joining a mafia game.

[Aronis]

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[Aronis]

I'm a town self-watcher of sorts.

[Aronis]

When I'm lynched and flip town, please fulfill my dying wish and lynch Titus. Thanks.

Reminder.