8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

Nachomamma8 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:29 pm

your team keeps calling grey scum for reasons that aren't particularly compelling. i'm not inclined to listen to "you don't see why grey's scum? really?" because i don't. i don't understand why grey's scum. i now see a very real chance that he might be scum, but no one's been willing to work with me on the reasoning why.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:32 pm

i'm not obvtowning him because i'm 90% aware of my inability in reading him. i can't fault him as hard for some players for making shitty pushes because he does, as town, get distracted easily. he does, as town, push shit to see what sticks. he does, as town, make emotional pushes. i can't fault him for bad reasoning because his reasoning usually isn't weak regardless of his alignment. it's going to take a lot of convincing for me to lynch him at this stage because i see absolutely no reason why i would lynch the scum who is grossly outperforming his other partners when i could just lynch underperforming partners first, get some mislynches to work with.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:35 pm

In post 678, EddieFenix wrote:He dodged on slamming ZZZX's PbPA when it would have helped his case against Sotty, he sits here and goes about gallivanting on about how my accusations against him are stupid, when anyone who has accusations thrown at them in this manor would slam them to hell and back, not just sit in the corner goin "they're stupid, this player is stupid"

like this reasoning? isn't good.
it isn't. grey isn't scum because he didn't slam zzzx's pbpa. grey can, as town or scum, slam a pbpa that has factual errors. grey has less motive to slam that pbpa as town than he does as scum.
dismissing a weak case and calling the player stupid is an annoying approach, but it's a fairly easy one to understand and is 99% of the time a response that is player and alignment based.

Nachomamma8 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:38 pm

kagami is the closest person who is actually willing to work with me on a greyice scumread and her reasons are hands-down the best of the group, but she's taking what's the strangest approach to the game that she could possibly manage if town and it doesn't personally help me see him as scum in any way because again, we approach the game in completely different ways

Nachomamma8 · Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:43 pm

metal sonic tries to explain greyice scumread, yes, and puts an effort into, yes, but is so disinterested in reading and processing what other people are producing and instead is just focusing on "slamming" and "countering" that i don't really find it fruitful with him working over a greyice scumread.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:25 am

Mollie doesn't die.
Ooba doesn't die.
ABR doesn't die.
Metal Sonic doesn't die.
ZZZX doesn't die.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:26 am

Grey, Sotty, wgeurts, Kagami, Zar

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:33 am

In post 2090, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2089, Nachomamma8 wrote:Grey, Sotty, wgeurts, Kagami, Zar

That list is crap anyway.

If you're town put me as #1 and I'll win this game for you.

You disagree with... one name on that list?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:37 am

My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:39 am

ABR, there's no more talking other than "yes, I will follow your four reads" necessary.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:42 am

Mollie, I understand your personal frustration with this game. I don't think being lynched will help you process that.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:43 am

Will you follow my reads when I flip town?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:43 am

And will you follow the reads of the next person to flip town, just as you've followed mine?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:45 am

In post 2103, GreyICE wrote:Okay time out.

ABR apologized. He was also specifically trying to avoid games with you in it. If it wasn't clear, I apologize if it got too personal from me as well. I won't exactly be thrilled to have you in my games, although I feel it's one step below ABR
It's time for you to bury the hatchet. You knew he tried to avoid you and you replaced in, your team also knows I'm not exactly known for holding back on what I'm thinking.

Honest read on Nacho now, personal stuff aside.

There is no need for any of this at this point of time.
If anyone is going to work through the personal shit that happened in this game, it likely won't be in a game setting.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:46 am

Llamarble thinks that Zar/Sotty are the strongest "why are they alive?" reads.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:47 am

In post 2107, GreyICE wrote:Also I want her read on you, personal stuff aside. I do value it.

I'm getting lynched.
I'm flipping town.
How does her read on me matter in any way whatsoever?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:52 am

In post 2110, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 2101, Nachomamma8 wrote:Mollie, I understand your personal frustration with this game. I don't think being lynched will help you process that.

it isn't gonna get any better. I have been waiting for 3 days for it to get better. it isn't.

what abr is doing is outright harassment and it isn't gonna stop. he isn't sorry in the least. metal and wguerts are cheering in the background. the only 1 who seems genuinely conciliatory is grey whom my whole team thinks is scum. I am looking at their reasoning and it is not the ironclad case I was led to believe. I think he might be scum independently from that cos he is the only 1 who has demonstrated a conscience.

I know that it isn't going to stop. I know that he's crossed some pretty significant lines, and I realize that you're hurt and annoyed and bothered by it as a result. Talking about it here, again, will not solve anything.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:52 am

It will not help anything.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:55 am

In post 2096, Nachomamma8 wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

These are my four names. If your post doesn't say "yes, I will follow those in order until one flips town", you shouldn't be posting. Give teammates time to catch up, you've chosen your lynch for the day.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:55 am

And now, thanks to the nature of this lynch, it is my time.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:56 am

In post 2119, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2117, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2096, Nachomamma8 wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

These are my four names. If your post doesn't say "yes, I will follow those in order until one flips town", you shouldn't be posting. Give teammates time to catch up, you've chosen your lynch for the day.

so you mind if I started from kagami?

Yes. If you hammer until I give you permission to, I will be legitimately angry for the first time in a mafia game.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:58 am

In post 2119, ZZZX wrote:
In post 2117, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2096, Nachomamma8 wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

These are my four names. If your post doesn't say "yes, I will follow those in order until one flips town", you shouldn't be posting. Give teammates time to catch up, you've chosen your lynch for the day.

so you mind if I started from kagami?

Yes, I do mind. You chose me as the. lynch for today despite ABR being the only person with a legitimate scum read on me. You chose to give me absolute control.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:01 am

Stop posting.
Personal shit isn't going to get resolved at this moment.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:02 am

ZZZX, wait for quadz to provide a votecount, please.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:04 am

In post 2126, ZZZX wrote:One thing we noticed was that sotties 1835 does not really match to the vote generally. Thoughts btw?

p-edit: your lynch will clear up at least 2-3 people.

also mollie calm down.

also nacho we are working on following your list. is there anything you want to ask btw?

I agree that it is a general trend for Sotty not to make votes with any measure of conviction behind them, and I agree she makes a lot of votes that don't actually match up with her suspicions.

Ika, I really don't think Mollie is in the mood to talk atm.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:09 am

ABR has promised to follow my reads.
Grey, your read on ZZZX is utter garbage.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:10 am

In post 2142, ZZZX wrote:hey nacho not talking about it at all will only lead to nothing and will not help. the game is getting less toxic and getting somewhat stable anyway generally

Not really.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:10 am

In post 2139, Albert B. Rampage wrote:It's 6 to lynch at 11 players, 4th vote is L-2. It's all good. Vote Nacho please as a token of mutual trust and future collaboration.

There's no reason this is necessary.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:19 am

The game is at a stalemate reads-wise because of egos. That's why it's important that everyone agrees to follow the vengeful plan from now on, and it isn't really that important to flesh out reads any more than they've already been fleshed out. The reason why it is important for people to stop talking is so that the plan is perfectly clear. Talking about non game events such as the Mollie-ABR connection is bad because it's a discussion that doesn't need to happen in public. When I'm dead and gone, I'll be more than happy to let Mollie rant to me and actually talk about what's going on, if I can get mod's permission.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 9:34 am

Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

It is important that this plan is followed to a T: lynch order is important, trusting town whenever they are lynched is important. If you are town, prepping the best list you possibly can is important.

Is anything about this unclear/unsatisfactory?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:18 am

In post 2157, pirate mollie wrote:I don't particularly think that I shld have to shut up when some1 threatened me in a pm to me that, "you are going to regret it" and then follows through on that promise by trying to harass me in this game.

I guess he needs to send me 22 pms before any1 gives a thought about it.

oh but its me. /my bad.

You see no reason why this particular outlet is a bad one?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:20 am

In post 2158, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nacho, why did you originally continue your Eddie scumread onto pirate? I've only learned this now, but doesn't she much prefer playing town? Why would she replace into a scum slot, especially if you were town in the game? Shouldn't that have given you pause?

The possibility existed that it would be a WIFOM move. There existed a possibility that she replaced into the slot to eat the lynch for Eddie since she was the reason he was getting lynched at the time.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:22 am

I think Mollie is talking about "past drama" because she's legitimately hurt. It's offensive to say that someone is throwing the game over hurt feelings.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:26 am

Hey, wgeurts. Do you agree to follow the plan?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:27 am

In post 2163, wgeurts wrote:Pirate Mollie, I don't approve of any of this crumpets however I'm trying to stick to the game and divert all to the game.
I'm not fudge cheering ABR, what he said was insulting and I asked him to stop.
Now, you can wellow in self-pity or play the game. I can understand you're insulted however the players here want to play, even if they dislike what happened.

Now, nacho. How am I no longer town?
Also, you say your read on Mollie isn't important yet you boast you can read her anazingly. That would make getting a read on mollie from you and explanation pretty vital.

Also, why don't you think ooba's scum?

This is clutter until you agree to the plan or explain why you disagree with it.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:29 am

#2166 is also additionally useless. I am getting lynched today. It is important that I get this done before I die. It is not important that you continue pushing a case on me, again, because I am dying here.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:33 am

In post 2172, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2161, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2158, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Nacho, why did you originally continue your Eddie scumread onto pirate? I've only learned this now, but doesn't she much prefer playing town? Why would she replace into a scum slot, especially if you were town in the game? Shouldn't that have given you pause?

The possibility existed that it would be a WIFOM move. There existed a possibility that she replaced into the slot to eat the lynch for Eddie since she was the reason he was getting lynched at the time.

Why are you throwing doubt on her when you said she was town now? Are you trying to keep her from joining the town block? As far as I know, my logic for thinking she replaced into a town slot beats your logic of saying she came to eat the lynch. If she came in and fell apart, and got lynched, that's far worse than letting Eddie play it out, and if he dies he can then replace into the slot in her original game.

I see this attempt at throwing shade on Pirate as stonewalling my successful breakthroughs in this game.

Mollie is my strongest town read.
My reads are very clearly reflected in my death list: those players I think are scum. the players not on the death list, I think are town. This, again, is useless posting.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:37 am

ABR, if I self-vote, will you stop talking and let me work? Deadline is a majority lynch, so there's no need to worry about no lynching.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:39 am

In post 2177, ZZZX wrote:Nacho,I kinda disagree with you. I think the current dicussion has some mertis to it. if you are town as you state you should be workign with abr to the very end to clarify where and what hes misunderstanding

ABR is a man of his word. that's all I need from him.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:40 am

If he asked me things that were about other people, sure I'd be happy to answer. Instead, he's still pushing me as scum. there's absolutely no reason to push me as scum when I'm getting lynched.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:52 am

In post 2184, ZZZX wrote:Nacho listen. I agree abr will be a man of his words but hes trying to understand you better, so please think about it: dont you think clarifying his supportive misunderstandings would help in the long run as well as future games if you 2 are to play again? like we looking at this more objectivly now if anything.

I'm fine playing with ABR. He's not trying to understand me. The line of continuing to push my scum is trying to get my lynch, just like the current strongarm of Mollie is doing.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:55 am

In post 2164, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 2155, Nachomamma8 wrote:Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

It is important that this plan is followed to a T: lynch order is important, trusting town whenever they are lynched is important. If you are town, prepping the best list you possibly can is important.

Is anything about this unclear/unsatisfactory?

the problem with this is that town are wanting to lynch you and if you are town that is pretty horrible. they will line up lynches based on interactions, I am just going to go with that me and ooba are next.

I think there is a distinct possibility you will flip scum. I wish I cld have had more space to work it out tho. cos I am unsure.

the thing that bothers me about this post is that I think the "town" block has scum on it and you know this given your direction and me wondering if you are scum. <---- wifom

When I flip town, I have faith they will follow my reads. They have all promised as much.

I don't think the town block has scum on it, but if it does, the people who flip town on that list should be able to root them out.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 10:59 am

In post 2183, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Spare me, Sotty was at 4 votes for the longest time, she didn't get lynched. If even one person gets cold feet and switches to Sotty, or Kagami, anything can happen. I was born at night but not last night.

You're correct. This game's lynched are extremely unpredicatable and can be influenced by the slightest prod in the right direction. My lynch is currently happening because I endorse it. It will happen because I genuinely believe this is the best move for town. I would be very, very happy if you just let me do my thing.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:04 am

In post 2155, Nachomamma8 wrote:Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

It is important that this plan is followed to a T: lynch order is important, trusting town whenever they are lynched is important. If you are town, prepping the best list you possibly can is important.

Is anything about this unclear/unsatisfactory?

Lynching order is Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar. The only thing that changes lynching order is a town flip.

Wgeurts, ABR, ZZZX, GreyICE have all agreed to this. I would very much like Metal Sonic, ooba, and Mollie to agree with this. I would very much like Zar to agree with this. I would very much like Kagami to agree with this.

There should not be any deviations from this plan for any reason whatsoever.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 11:04 am

No, I'm okay.
Thank you, ZZZX.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 12:06 pm

In post 2196, Zar wrote:
In post 1821, pirate mollie wrote:can we break this down plz?

kagami, for not posting enough, ooba not posting at all in a game he signed up for, sotty is opportunistic, zar is is somehow cleared by my team and grey is still scum?

do I have it right?

I'm getting an allergic reaction to the sudden "clearance" of my slot without a flip. I mean, I'm already aware I'm town so it's nice to have the acceptance and stuff, but I would like Mollie to explain why her team is allegedly "clearing" me.

Are you on board with the plan?

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 1:06 pm

In post 2201, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2188, pirate mollie wrote:
In post 2186, Albert B. Rampage wrote:
In post 2185, pirate mollie wrote:I really want to be lynched guys.

Not happening. You just town cleared yourself and we're about to lynch your scumread Nacho.

can we then lynch grey?

cos that is what my team terribly wants.

Yes. Grey after nacho

No. Follow the plan.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:24 pm

Follow the plan.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 2193, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 2155, Nachomamma8 wrote:Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

It is important that this plan is followed to a T: lynch order is important, trusting town whenever they are lynched is important. If you are town, prepping the best list you possibly can is important.

Is anything about this unclear/unsatisfactory?

Lynching order is Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar. The only thing that changes lynching order is a town flip.

Wgeurts, ABR, ZZZX, GreyICE have all agreed to this. I would very much like Metal Sonic, ooba, and Mollie to agree with this. I would very much like Zar to agree with this. I would very much like Kagami to agree with this.

There should not be any deviations from this plan for any reason whatsoever.

This is the plan. Follow the plan. From now on, the game is a game of will: who will bend, who will break, who will deviate. Do not deviate.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:27 pm

In post 2216, Metal Sonic wrote:But you changed reads! I can't follow a read changer!!!!!! HELP ME ASDGHHJKKLL

If other people refuse to follow the plan, don't get distracted and bother with them, just keep moving forward. Please. Promise me this.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:28 pm

This is my dying breath, my time taken away by a scum quickhammer. Do not deviate, do not delay, do not get distracted.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:29 pm

I have the utmost faith that we can still pull this out, despite many rocky roads, but do not let yourself get distracted.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:30 pm

Sonic.
If you don't have the ability to switch reads, you are a shitty player. I switched reads.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:31 pm

In post 2223, Metal Sonic wrote:MUST I COMPLETELY FORGET THE KIND MOTIVATIONAL WORDS THAT YOU SAID??????

I never lost faith in you.
I now share the Sotty-GreyICE theory you yourself held in the beginning.
Don't lose faith in your senpai.

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:38 pm

metal sonic
I was town

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:39 pm

I'm proud of you though!! I enjoyed you talking to Mollie in molliespeak although I don't think she understood what you were trying to do

Nachomamma8 · Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:48 pm

In post 2232, Metal Sonic wrote:I WILL LEAD YOUR BATTALION INTO JUSTICE MAMMA NACHO!!!

Make me proud.