8:4 Vanilla Nightless [TM2015] - GAME OVER

[ZZZX]

Also sonic I still didn't get your opinion of me vs ice.

Also we won that game ;P

Lastly why is a grey lynch badly resisted that much

[ZZZX]

Also Metal, one last thing.

Will you truly ignore nacho's grand plan that caught 2 scum to do your own thing. You are not that kind of a guy metal. Both of us ignored the plan for half of hte day but its time to get this moving, Enough of this bullshit. Get this day done already.

[ZZZX]

I would like to say that we need to push up the activity guys, Freezing the game here is just... bad.

Not sure if it is scum trying to slow down but we really need to get something happening. Do we not?

[ZZZX]

also
Zar Apr 02, 09:16am Apr 22, 06:20am 0 days 19 hours 57
GreyICE Mar 30, 06:49pm Apr 22, 02:14am 0 days 23 hours 381
Alchemist21 Apr 20, 05:30pm Apr 22, 01:13am 1 day 0 hours 57


-.-

@metal I would love you to come out and get something on. I would love if you get a stance on the game. The Metal I know would.

[ZZZX]

even if it's not scummy it's SUPER annoying so don't do that

I'm not going to post until 12h later unless super super urgent so don't try anything funny

lol that too much of a reaction but w.e . I dont need to be saved as I dont really have any votes at me like...

noone at all (well except maybe one)

I just wanted to know your stance. anyway see you tomorrow then, i just wanted to know your thoughts before i slept but it already hit 3:00AM...

Good luck in your studies then.

[ZZZX]

I am not horrible bro

I mostly work on the analytical part of mafia instead of scum hunting but i have a few good games too!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=58649 << reads were mostly right (2 out of 3 scum reads were scum. i got pushed and had to claim but we ended up well enough)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58246 << had not-bad scum reads and plan that won game, (and fought alot with TSO there )
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6090879 << i got lynched day 1. and gut read page 2 is correct..

I take pride in my gut reads generally, not the best at scum hunting.

@Metal You are starting to talk some bullshit here bro. We both know game was stalled for 2 days with nothing happening. I dont need "your" help because I am in no danger at all. do you see my getting lynched? the next time you say its for saving me or something shitty like that I am really dropping my town read on you.

I dont expect you to make up reasons here sonic if you were town. so please if you were town act like a townie.

also grey is townier than me.... ???

Whatever man I am now sure you didnt even read the exchange between me and him. Unless ignoring every point and talking lies and lies is a town thing to do

[ZZZX]

*4 hours later, I'm still asleep*
5th. WHY IS THE ACTIVITY SO LOW GUYS??? Must be SCUM lurking in here!
6th. metal hurry up and post what you think about me vs grey. oh and another appeal to emotion/proficiency/authority

so it's like extremely insecure scum whose position may have been compromised and is taking measures to ensure that he is still safe.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5858033

read this game, guess what pushing the activity the way im doing here and doing great plans did? win the game

all i have to say.

and i didnt see your scum game either sonic only organic >>

[ZZZX]

Early morning post while I have time.

alchey you said in post 3799 that it was ooba/Gi and now you are switching to ooba/zarella?

what i am interested in is what YOU think.

also kagami did not replace out, she was lynched. and abr wld have noticed that.

Those are his 2 scumteam choices at the moment.

I still think it's likely wgeurts/ZZZX.

My mistake on the replacement thing. He just referenced Kagami saying they were having a bad experience and for some reason I translated that to meaning replaced out.

why do you think it is a wguerts and zzthing team?

They're my top picks for scum. I can't really point to anything they've done and say, "this looks like scum-scum interaction," but they're the ones that make the most sense to me.

basically... gut pick?

also if I would say i have a partner wge would be a weird pick imho, But whatever. would love if you ever explain it tho.

[ZZZX]

did you play very well this game? because I dont see it. Day 1 you were voting Rachmarie and your votes were all wrong. Day 2 your voting sns and you even tried to defend Saki Day 1 but luckily you switched. Day 3 was easy.

well day 1 defending saki was just the first 3 pages brah. after all i solved the game and was the reason the game caught up by conf-towning my self.

anyway i am not telling you to sheep me. I am telling you to read the posts and give your opinion. (to get the game moving as in the game above).

[ZZZX]

anyway once you are free tell me who you are willing to push today for the lynch. i had not had this info from you yet.

[ZZZX]

anyway, if you're town, sheep me. not me sheep you. you know the sonic and zzzx method. you have been calling me to sheep you all the game which I found very fishy.

I called you to sheep me ONCE(1). And even the great sonic needs a wake up shock sometimes. I believe you are wrong on greyIce. After my 1v1 with him I am 75% sure.

[ZZZX]

Metal how the fuck can you misrep me so hard. how is someone talking about building flips is equal me canceling his venge when I am talking about me dying since he will VENGE me as he said.

Also do you have nothing about him misreping every single post of mine?

Just saying metal that your rating with me is down. If you think I am scum lynch me and follow my plan (which is nacho's)

DO IT.

[ZZZX]

Like in many games i had here recently i understand being scum read but in this one if you scum read me you are either:

1- Not reading the last few pages AT ALL

2- Scum

3- Plainly .... bad


Metal are you starting to doubt me? Are you not the person who told me not to doubt the town blok when i doubted you? or is it a one sided deal?

[ZZZX]

Also statistics say that bold text is read 50% more.

[ZZZX]

ALso metal you didnt tell me any thoughts about the plan after being asked for 4 times, I will just leave this here, please do it this game day.

also tell me which points grey said about me are true and which points i said about grey are true. so I can make sure you are reading and not making up stuff, last guy who was caught by me making up stuff (e.g. kagami) was scum.

[ZZZX]

Metal I am saying you didnt read any of hte grey thing yet you town read him.

also i understand shos, but you dont even know if titus's is that much of a thing. I said its pointless because he didnt explain how he got it. Its basically info that we never got.

2- I ended my doubt in you and you KNOW this is my town game more than anyone. Titus has NEVER read me right

yup, out of 5 games titus lynched me at all of them as town, scum reading me (well 4 times and one time she was scum) so

also shos... didnt play much with me

you ARE the best guy at reading me so you cant leave reading me to someone who didnt even play with me?

[ZZZX]

ask either of titus or shos if they have EVER read me correctly as scum, or even read me correctly at all:~

[ZZZX]

put up for lynch fodder by ooba and zzthing

already said I was sorry >>

[ZZZX]

am I on it?

well i created a town block with me ooba and you but metal for some reason is not liking it,

[ZZZX]

I am pretty sure we are doing the vig shots.
If wge flips scum then great. If not then greyice dies.

[ZZZX]

Also people here talking bullshit about me and good 180s incoming (looking at metal whos read is -changing- for bullshit (and lovely thing that he said didn't really matter then came to mention again))

I will say this clearly. If you read even five of my last posts and you found me scum then you need to work on things sonic. How the fuck can I sheep you when you read me of all people wrong.

Also I will talk to my team about stuff later. I have to sleep now.

[ZZZX]

This whole "scum read zzzx" that happened within 3 IRL days by 3 people softly accusing me really smells scummy as fuck

If you think I am scum then lynch me. If you will wait until lylo then lynch me then every single towny alive at that time deserves to lose. Generally tho me being attacked right now is just how you guys pushed nacho.

So lynch me and follow my plan if that is what you need. Generally tho wge lynh isn't too bad but if this fucking scum grey survives to pulp I am gona go insane.

Lynch both me and grey tomorrow and you get one scum for sure. No matter which one of us is scum its a win-win situation so DO IT. Ugh.


This game just went bullshit. Getting misreped and my posts not even read fucking pisses me off

[ZZZX]

Metal answer my question about Titus and shos

[ZZZX]

Scrap my last post. I thought you posted something else but it was only scumIce.

Metal I swear if you were town then I will declure after game that your read zzzx licence have expired

P-edit: with or without a plan you are still a scummy bastarf who needs to die this game.

[ZZZX]

I am pretty sure we are doing the vig shots.
If wge flips scum then great. If not then greyice dies.

isn't your vote on grey?

Yea but people are about to lynch wge

[ZZZX]

Grey you are scum. And even if you were town your reads are not credable. You lynched town. I will follow my plan and go with age venge.
VOTE: grey

[ZZZX]

also I am bored.

I will pester you into a grey lynch

I think that is sincerely beneficial

Mollie, your team has spent 5 game days doing nothing but tunnel town. Were we to lynch based on quality of play, well... yeah.

Isn't that what YOU are doing?

Anyways we lynch you if you flip town we lynch me then lynch zar/metal/alchemist in that order. Never touch ooba/mollie

[ZZZX]

Like Mollie, if you're town, After I flip green - because I'm sure you're telling yourself this is a scum ploy right now - sit down and actually rethink the game.

Shadoweh says Ooba is pretty town. I trust her on this.

If we both were town then that would teach you not to tunnel someone you don't know how to read next time anyway. I'll just go study now or smthing

[ZZZX]

Zar? Fucking seriously?

You're not town.

Well if I flip scum people can ignore what I said. However guess what I am flipping tho?

After this game if you were town you must feel ashamed for ignoring everyone's posts and playing so anti town you made hoopla look so towny.

On another note i don't expect you to flip town anytime soon but if you did I am ready to die and will do nothing to stop it.


Grey don't you town read ooba and Mollie?

[ZZZX]

Actually grey I have an idea. Let's have a short civil talk here shall we?


Who are your top town reads?

[ZZZX]

Metal can you shut the fuck up and let me talk with grey here? I would like his town reads after the flips and if they changed.

last time i checked he had both ooba and mollie in his town reads

If so lets make is real. If both me and you flip town they are not to be lynched every, Okey ?

If both me and grey flip town then all 4 flipped town players have said they are town and thus everyone else has no right to lynch them.

DO you agree on that point Grey (not sonic)?

[ZZZX]

ever* (instead of every)

[ZZZX]

This is the scummiest post I have seen after kagami fake read. My gut is bursting

I have now decided to switch up your and zar position.

Also I am starting to doubt greys alignment but I will honor his vig nonetheless if it was on me.

Grey answer my last question about Mollie ooba so we make sure even if we were both town and fuck up to win the gsme

[ZZZX]

Replies from page 154

I ended my doubt in you

bullshit. you are up for lynching me again. "never lynch ooba/mollie LOL" <----- where is my name?

if you really thinking that I am town you should be saying "when in doubt, sheep metal"

not "metal you follow my plan or die"

I was lynched the first time before even receiving a role pm and I was nked after 10 posts. how am I a sore loser when my team won? I was nked before masons fery and nacho ffs.

I don't trust titus's vca at all I mean if you use it in every game you are bound to be right at least a couple of times but I have seen it be incredibly wrong.

yea but I trust titus's vca because I have seen her do it twice. and twice it has caught the scum very nicely. thats 2/2 = 100% score.

anyway lets agree to disagree about this, the problem i have with zzzxthing is that he is calling it "bullshit" because "she didn't put the reasons".

we all know that is nonsense, in a normal game i rarely put my reasons and I get scum right most of the time.

am I on it?

you are on mine.

This whole "scum read zzzx" that happened within 3 IRL days by 3 people softly accusing me really smells scummy as fuck

guess what. The whole "scum read sonic" that happened within 1 IRL days by 3 people loudly accusing me is definitely scummy as fuck or stupid as fuck. wgeurts belongs to stupid as fuck. who are the scummy as fuck people?

Metal I swear if you were town then I will declure after game that your read zzzx licence have expired

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5980426

your read metal sonic licence expired years ago.

so this is a one sided deal.

how are you going to make up for it?

That 180 from ABR was NOT town.

it's ironic that I also 180ed on you. now I have you as town.


but thats okay, just a comment.

The only time I misread you there your play was utter shit. And even you can't deny hat

[ZZZX]

This is the scummiest post I have seen after kagami fake read. My gut is bursting

I have now decided to switch up your and zar position.

Also I am starting to doubt greys alignment but I will honor his vig nonetheless if it was on me.

Grey answer my last question about Mollie ooba so we make sure even if we were both town and fuck up to win the gsme

i don't care what you think. you choosing to scumread me for bullshit reasons will be the worst mistake you make in the game.

if you are town -----> you are in a lot of trouble.

if you are scum ------> you are in a lot of trouble.

I have learnt that I am not going to take shit from you

My reasons are better than yours. Once I flip they will even matter more

[ZZZX]

also you called me scum as town when i was town in the game you linked

well guess what you did write just fired back.

[ZZZX]

The only time I misread you there your play was utter shit. And even you can't deny hat

too bad. you lost your licence.

now my play is super sonic. and you are still giving me this shit.

why do you have ooba in your "town block"? it makes no sense.

you lost yours that game too

[ZZZX]

The only time I misread you there your play was utter shit. And even you can't deny hat

too bad. you lost your licence.

now my play is super sonic. and you are still giving me this shit.

why do you have ooba in your "town block"? it makes no sense.

- me gif and ika agree he is playing super town
- every single confirmed dead townie says the same
- nacho
- nacho
- you didnt listen to nacho and now you are trying to pervent a lynch that is both a venge from confirmed town AND ordered by nacho

[ZZZX]

My reasons are better than yours. Once I flip they will even matter more

I dont need "your" help because I am in no danger at all. do you see my getting lynched? the next time you say its for saving me or something shitty like that I am really dropping my town read on you.

no man, you are in no danger at all and I don't see you getting lynched

nope, not today at least. and not unless grey flisp town. if he flips town i accept my lynch and leave it to mollie to lead

[ZZZX]

The only time I misread you there your play was utter shit. And even you can't deny hat

too bad. you lost your licence.

now my play is super sonic. and you are still giving me this shit.

why do you have ooba in your "town block"? it makes no sense.

you lost yours that game too

well you lost yours first because you scumread me first.

like in this game.

so it is always your fault.

it doesnt work that way.

it is still the same senario here. which means you are prob wrong if i was wrong

so ...? dont you think you are missing something/

also answer me: how is ignoring all posts done by grey towny?
how does using bullshit as logic townie?
i want you to explain your logic,. because i frankly dont get it.

p-edit: I dont back out of any promise.

[ZZZX]

IF both me and grey flip town and someone lynches ooba/pirate I will fucking flip out after game if we lost because of it. Just leaving this here.

[ZZZX]

I am having grey as more town than zzzxthing because zzthing is yelling likee the hound whenever I say "you are doing something scummy" even though i still said I am townreading him.

Do I not yell in every single game like that? how makes it scummy for me to yell? YOU KNOW I DO that as town, this is bullshit excuse

[ZZZX]

IF both me and grey flip town and someone lynches ooba/pirate I will fucking flip out after game if we lost because of it. Just leaving this here.

I wanted to flip a table when yogurt self-voted.

I already done that but I understand wge's feelings. Grey must have died yesterday which will save us a mislynch called wge in that case.

[ZZZX]

shos is also very unsupportive of vengekills because it makes it easy for scum to line up lynches.

how does the scum line up lynches if the town makes the venge tho?

[ZZZX]

ok metal let me ask you a question,

Do you trust both me and mollie to be 100% town, enough to let me do the fucking plan already?

p-edit: please do,

[ZZZX]

Actually grey I have an idea. Let's have a short civil talk here shall we?


Who are your top town reads?

Need to look again. Yesterday being three town wagons means a lot.

Ooba does Seem town. Alchemist just copied a sotty post. Metal still seems very town, can't see him as scum, except maybe with alchemist.

Mollie?

[ZZZX]

Do you trust both me and mollie to be 100% town, enough to let me do the fucking plan already?

i trust that mollie is 100% town.

i do not trust that you are 100% town.

I definitely do not trust that ooba is 100% town.


in fact i was thinking of pushing ooba today cause he is the most likely scum to me now.

you still didnt explain why am I not 100% town after i showed ur last reason was BS. care to explain to me like I am a 5yo kid?

[ZZZX]

Spoiler:

Votecount 1.1

Sotty7

(3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, ZZZX
Albert B. Rampage (1) - wgeurts
wgeurts (1) -

Kagami

Metal Sonic (1) - Zar

Not Voting (6): Albert B. Rampage, PirateMollie,

Hoopla

,

Nachomamma8

, Ooba,

Sotty7

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.2

Sotty7

(2) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic
wgeurts (2) -

Kagami

, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (2) - Zar, Ooba
GreyICE (2) - ZZZX,

Sotty7

Not Voting (4): PirateMollie,

Hoopla

,

Nachomamma8

, wgeurts

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.3

Sotty7

(2) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic
wgeurts (2) -

Kagami

, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (2) - Zar, Ooba
GreyICE (2) - ZZZX,

Sotty7

Not Voting (4): PirateMollie,

Hoopla

,

Nachomamma8

, wgeurts

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.4

Sotty7

(3) - GreyICE, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Metal Sonic (3) - Zar, Ooba, wgeurts

Kagami

(3) -

Nachomamma8

,

Hoopla

, ZZZX
GreyICE (2) -

Sotty7

, PirateMollie
wgeurts (1) -

Kagami

Not Voting (0):

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.5

Sotty7

(3) -

Nachomamma8

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
PirateMollie (2) -

Hoopla

, wgeurts
Ooba (2) - Metal Sonic,

Sotty7

Kagami

(1) - ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - PirateMollie
wgeurts (1) -

Kagami

Not Voting (2) - Ooba, Zar

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.6

Sotty7

(3) -

Nachomamma8

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE
Ooba (2) - Metal Sonic,

Sotty7

Kagami

(2) - wgeurts, ZZZX
GreyICE (2) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla

(1) - Ooba

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.7

Ooba (4) - Metal Sonic,

Sotty7

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Kagami

(3) - wgeurts, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla

(1) - Ooba

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.8

Ooba (3) - Metal Sonic,

Sotty7

, GreyICE

Kagami

(3) - wgeurts, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla

(1) - Ooba

Sotty7

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (1) - Zar

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.
ZZZX is V/LA until 4/5.

Hoopla

has been prodded.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.9

Sotty7

(3) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, Metal Sonic

Kagami

(3) - wgeurts, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

]Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Hoopla

(1) - Ooba

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.
ZZZX is V/LA until 4/5.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.10

Kagami

(3) - wgeurts, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

GreyICE (2) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

Sotty7

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Hoopla

(2) - Ooba, Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Kagami

and Ooba have been prodded.

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.
ZZZX is V/LA until 4/5.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.11

Kagami

(4) - wgeurts, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE

Hoopla

(2) - Ooba, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (2) -

Kagami

, PirateMollie

Sotty7

(1) - Albert B. Rampage
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Not Voting (1) - Zar

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

wgeurts is V/LA until 4/7.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Votecount 1.12

Kagami

(4) - ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE, wgeurts

Hoopla

(4) - Ooba, Metal Sonic, PirateMollie,

Kagami

Sotty7

(1) - Zar
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

PirateMollie (1) -

Hoopla

Nachomamma8

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/9 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-09 18:00:00).

Sorry for my absence yesterday - I was basically a zombie or asleep all day.

Votecount 1.13

Hoopla

(7) - Ooba, Metal Sonic, PirateMollie,

Kagami

, ZZZX, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Kagami

(3) -

Nachomamma8

, wgeurts,

Hoopla

Sotty7

(1) - Zar
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been reached.

Hoopla

was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Votecount 2.1

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX

Kagami

(1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (8) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Metal Sonic,

Nachomamma8

, Ooba,

Sotty7

, wgeurts, Zar

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.2

Kagami

(4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.3

Kagami

(4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

Votecount 2.4

Kagami

(4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(3) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Ooba has been prodded.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

Votecount 2.5

Kagami

(4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(3) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b]

Votecount 2.6

Kagami

(4) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(3) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX, Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

GreyICE is V/LA through 4/11.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).[/color][/b

Votecount 2.7

Nachomamma8

(4) - Albert B. Rampage, ZZZX, Metal Sonic, wgeurts

Kagami

(3) - GreyICE,

Nachomamma8

, Zar
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (3) - PirateMollie,

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

I demand a replacement for Ooba. 5 days, 13 hours. He's done, get him out of here.

Replacements
1. It is your job to replace team members who are not active. If a moderator has to take action, there will be a penalty.
...
7. The mod will force replace any player who has not posted within a week of his last post (not including Night). This will come at a penalty to the team.

Votecount 2.8

PirateMollie (3) -

Nachomamma8

, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Nachomamma8

(3) - ZZZX, wgeurts, Metal Sonic

Kagami

(1) - Zar
Ooba (1) -

Sotty7

GreyICE (1) - PirateMollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Kagami

has been prodded.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.9

Nachomamma8

(3) - wgeurts, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
PirateMollie (3) -

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE,

Sotty7

Kagami

(2) - Zar, ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - PirateMollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.10

Nachomamma8

(3) - wgeurts, Metal Sonic, Albert B. Rampage
Pirate Mollie (3) -

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE,

Sotty7

Kagami

(2) - Zar, ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.11

Pirate Mollie (3) -

Sotty7

, GreyICE, Albert B. Rampage

Nachomamma8

(2) - wgeurts, Metal Sonic

Kagami

(2) - Zar, ZZZX
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (3) -

Kagami

, Ooba,

Nachomamma8

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.12

Pirate Mollie (3) -

Sotty7

, GreyICE, Albert B. Rampage

Kagami

(3) - Zar, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

Nachomamma8

(1) - Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (3) -

Kagami

, Ooba, wgeurts

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

[/quote][/quote]

Votecount 2.13

Pirate Mollie (4) -

Sotty7

, GreyICE, Albert B. Rampage, wgeurts

Kagami

(3) - Zar, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

Nachomamma8

(1) - Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.14

Kagami

(4) - Zar, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts
GreyICE (2) - Pirate Mollie, Metal Sonic

Nachomamma8

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

*ahem*

CALM THE FUCK DOWN. IT IS A GAME.

That will be all.

Votecount 2.15

Kagami

(4) - Zar, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.16

Kagami

(4) - Zar, ZZZX,

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie

Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.17

Kagami

(2) - Zar, ZZZX
Pirate Mollie (2) -

Sotty7

, wgeurts

Nachomamma8

(2) - Albert B. Rampage, Metal Sonic
Sotty (2) -

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE
GreyICE (1) - Pirate Mollie


Not Voting (2) -

Kagami

, Ooba

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.18

Sotty (4) -

Nachomamma8

, GreyICE, Ooba, Pirate Mollie
Ooba (2) - Metal Sonic, wgeurts

Kagami

(2) - Zar, ZZZX
Pirate Mollie (1) -

Sotty7

Nachomamma8

(1) - Albert B. Rampage


Not Voting (1) -

Kagami

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.19

Nachomamma8

(4) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, wgeurts, ZZZX
Sotty (3) -

Nachomamma8

, Ooba, Pirate Mollie
Ooba (1) - Metal Sonic

Kagami

(1) - Zar
Pirate Mollie (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (1) -

Kagami

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

Votecount 2.20

Nachomamma8

(6) - Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE, wgeurts, ZZZX, Pirate Mollie,

Kagami

Sotty (2) -

Nachomamma8

, Ooba
Ooba (1) - Metal Sonic

Kagami

(1) - Zar
Pirate Mollie (1) -

Sotty7

Not Voting (0) -

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/18 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-18 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 3.1

Sotty7

(5) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie, Ooba, wgeurts, Metal Sonic

Kagami

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (4) -

Kagami

,

Sotty7

, Zar, ZZZX

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/27 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-27 18:00:00).

[/quote]

VOTECOUNT 3.2

Sotty7

(6) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie, Ooba, wgeurts, Metal Sonic,

Kagami

Kagami

(1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (3) -

Sotty7

, Zar, ZZZX

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/27 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-27 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 4.1

Kagami

(3) - ZZZX, wgeurts, GreyICE
ZZZX (0) -

Not Voting (6) - Albert B. Rampage,

Kagami

, Ooba, Pirate Mollie, Zar, Metal Sonic

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 4.2

Kagami

(5) - ZZZX, wgeurts, GreyICE, Ooba, Zar

Not Voting (4) - Albert B. Rampage,

Kagami

, Pirate Mollie, Metal Sonic

With 9 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 5.1

Metal Sonic (2) - Ooba, wgeurts
GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) - Albert B. Rampage
Albert B. Rampage (1) - GreyICE

Not Voting (3) - Pirate Mollie, Zar, ZZZX

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 5.1

Metal Sonic (2) - Ooba, wgeurts
GreyICE (1) - Metal Sonic
Ooba (1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (4) - Pirate Mollie, Zar, ZZZX, GreyICE

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 5.2

Metal Sonic (2) - Ooba, wgeurts
GreyICE (2) - Metal Sonic, Pirate Mollie
Ooba (1) - Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (3) - Zar, ZZZX, GreyICE

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

VOTECOUNT 5.3

Metal Sonic (2) - Ooba, wgeurts
Ooba (2) - Alchemist, Pirate Mollie
Zar (2) - ZZZX, Metal Sonic

Not Voting (2) - Zar, GreyICE

With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.

Deadline is 4/28 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-04-28 18:00:00).

[/spoiler][/quote]


And from Towniest to scummiest she had:

MS
Zar
GI

Mollie

Ooba
ZZZX
Wgeurts.

[/quote]

both me and wge and ooba are town, mollie is also town.

titus vca here is basically inversed. he is wrong in his strongest "scum" read out of the vca. and it SUCKS.

done.

[ZZZX]

the forum just bugged for me wtf

[ZZZX]

tl;dr forum bugged about last post:

in titus's vca the strongest scum read wge is wrong, i am also wrong, ooba and mollie are wrong

and knowing that you want me not to call it shit?

[ZZZX]

but somehow now your "town block" have me and ABR disappeared?

it is very strange.


please give me your reason.

Because i doubt town you would scum read me for reasons which do not make sense and things I do as town.which he knows.

[ZZZX]

my plan right now is to get to 4p with me ooba metal and mollie, lynch both metal and ooba and win the game.

simple as that.

[ZZZX]

but if grey wants me dead i will accept it.

[ZZZX]

(if he flips town)

[ZZZX]

at first I thought that you were town and I took it gracefully. but after i woken up by shos and titus and greyice and alchemist I think that you might be trying to dump me from your town block starting from HERE.

sonic i have a question for you. tell me when you are ready. and promise me you will answer it.

[ZZZX]

you said you were waken up by me being scum read by shos titus greyice and alchemist right?

this is a pre-question before asking the question to make sure my question is right.

[ZZZX]

First of all some facts:

titus has played ~5 games with me reading me as scum all of them when i was town in all of them.
- Titus vca has been proven wrong about wge (and is wrong about me)

Shos... never played with me

greyIce ... never played with me

alchemist played ~3 games with me.

these are the people scum reading me.

Now

you said you personally feel like town reading me (you played ~30 games with me)

mollie who played ~9 games with me is town reading me.

now which side is more believable? we both know that people who dont know me tend to read me as scum.

now question 2: what do you think of greyice ignoring my answers for the questions?

question 3: Any other reasons other than assosiation for scum reading ooba? also what do you think about the fact that every single flipped town was town reading ooba (including nacho)

question 4: if you would create a town block outside of you me and grey who would it be?

[ZZZX]

also wge town read me (who played ~13 games with me i believe?)

[ZZZX]

First of all some facts:

titus has played ~5 games with me reading me as scum all of them when i was town in all of them.
- Titus vca has been proven wrong about wge (and is wrong about me)

Shos... never played with me

greyIce ... never played with me

alchemist played ~3 games with me.

these are the people scum reading me.

Now

you said you personally feel like town reading me (you played ~30 games with me)

mollie who played ~9 games with me is town reading me.

now which side is more believable? we both know that people who dont know me tend to read me as scum.

fine. we are town. but if you changed your meta and are trying to fuck me because this is the most important game of the year,

i probably will be scumreading you like every game. just ask mollie. it is accidental but it happens.

good for me then. I wont be scum read. (but i wished to be scum thsi game tbh even if I went for town in reality. because I can actually do much here but yea )

[ZZZX]

question 4: if you would create a town block outside of you me and grey who would it be?

dude. i never said that grey is in the town block.

i already said that never to lynch mollie or alche.

have you been reading my posts? because you are not native at english and I know this. even if you are top 1% of distinctions, mafia english is more difficult than school english.

so if me, you, and grey are freeze and we are not in the game.

my townblock will be mollie and alchey.

I guess we all agree about mollie then?

p-edit: the problem is even if my english weakness is really low i am prone to have something fucking up a few times in a few hundred pages. so yea (and I am not in school yo :<)

but my question was because i wanted to double check that.

Also i still wana know about ooba once you can (if ur writing ir r8 now ignore this)

p-edit: let me show you an example.

[ZZZX]

gimme 5

[ZZZX]

You built jack shit. You built NOTHING you piece of shit.

Remeber that refusal to join the wagon when he flips scum can be something you can be remembered for. Just saying.

p=edit: I dont mind kagami either
VOTE: Kagami

THAT IS NOT BUILDING A WAGON. THAT IS LAZY DISTANCING FROM A PARTNER PLAYING LIKE POOP

A PIRATE MOLLIE AND OOBA FUCKING TOWN BLOCK

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME

NICE JOB TRYING TO GET YOU AND YOUR BUDDY TO ENDGAME IN A 6:2

You built jack shit. You built NOTHING you piece of shit.

Remeber that refusal to join the wagon when he flips scum can be something you can be remembered for. Just saying.

p=edit: I dont mind kagami either
VOTE: Kagami

THAT IS NOT BUILDING A WAGON. THAT IS LAZY DISTANCING FROM A PARTNER PLAYING LIKE POOP

Really?

I call bullshit.

A PIRATE MOLLIE AND OOBA FUCKING TOWN BLOCK

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

ARE YOU FUCKING SHITTING ME

NICE JOB TRYING TO GET YOU AND YOUR BUDDY TO ENDGAME IN A 6:2

iYou mad bro?

Cus it doesnt even make sense

why the fuck push for my "scumpartner" when I am conf town and can work with wge to basically win game if I am scum?

OH SHIT YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED

no way!~

Your ENTIRE REASONING was "I don't mind Kagami either".

You spend your life a day late and a dollar short when it comes to lynching scum. Suddenly you 180 on your read on me and insist that I die?

What I've been looking for all day? The person

trying to get their team to endgame.

Because this has blown all plans. Plan was 4 mislynches, maybe 5. They got 2, but now they still need

4 mislynches

. There was guaranteed to be at least one, and probably two people trying to, instead of scumhunt, GET THEIR TEAM TO ENDGAME

AND I FOUND THE PERSON DOING IT

here i told him how his partners theory doesnt make sense yet he keeps pushing me for it. there is just one of many things.

anyway i would like you to tell me. why would i try to push a plan to "save my scum partner" if I could have taken the easy way and allied with wge/oob to create a 3 man block (which would be supported by mollie) and basically I would be unlynchable? I got get it either. i made the plan and grey started scum reading me because of my plan. as if making plans is something scummy (hint: its not)

[ZZZX]

also ika agrees 100% with me about greyIce

[ZZZX]

okey sonic one more question btw, tell me when ready (this is about a plan)

[ZZZX]

well look at the differance of ooba and how grey reacted it out.

[ZZZX]

like holy damn i try to make a plan as scum every once in a while just to avoid it being a pure trust tell about me. I like making plans that much

also how does making a block of me you ooba and mollie sound?

worst case senario its one scum down and we lynch ooba/you and its basically game.

[ZZZX]

if I could have taken the easy way and allied with wge/oob to create a 3 man block (which would be supported by mollie) and basically I would be unlynchable?

thats the reason why some people (forgot who?) are saying that its ooba/zzzx. i say its ooba/zar, but they're both playing so well that I cannot give any more reasons but "gut".

i would understand that if i accepted ooba's offer. but honestly i felt its just too risky to go to lylo with that composition., unless we lynch all people who are really unstable read-wise we really cant win lylo here

[ZZZX]

if I could have taken the easy way and allied with wge/oob to create a 3 man block (which would be supported by mollie) and basically I would be unlynchable?

thats the reason why some people (forgot who?) are saying that its ooba/zzzx. i say its ooba/zar, but they're both playing so well that I cannot give any more reasons but "gut".

i would understand that if i accepted ooba's offer. but honestly i felt its just too risky to go to lylo with that composition., unless we lynch all people who are really unstable read-wise we really cant win lylo here

i dont understand what you said here.

unless we lynch people who are likely to be pushed by scum easily if they are town - eg wge - we cant win lylo.

[ZZZX]

well look at the differance of ooba and how grey reacted it out.

i dont care?

your number 1 town read already said that your making plans is scummy. 2 pple who are not working together are saying the same thing. so it is probably right.

both of them dont know me well enough >>

p-edit: cant hurt to be careful

and it wasnt me who pushed for wge anyway. if we are scum hunting right now I don't mind. however it was getting ridiculous lately. way too ridicualous

[ZZZX]

in fact for everyone saying making plans to control town like that are scummy for me check this:

Mangerial Mafia (large) : Made a plan as town and won game (not totally because of my plan as we won before reaching the end of it)

Medical Mafia(Micro)

: Made a plan as town and won again

I am a guy that takes pride in his plans. its my job basically.

[ZZZX]

i know you well enough to know that you are pretty bad at scumhunting!

that is why we have the "sheep metal sonic" policy in the first place

this game its not me. its me ika and

GIF

<< OBEY THE GIF


also i might not be the best at scum hunting but you cant deny i make good plans.

[ZZZX]

Mangerial Mafia (large) : Made a plan as town and won game (not totally because of my plan as we won before reaching the end of it) ??

[ZZZX]

also most of hte games we had didnt need it anyway.

[ZZZX]

dude

never go into sales industry

Lol,

why btw?

[ZZZX]

I am pretty charismatic irl, I guess?

[ZZZX]

because i would never buy any of your products

Lol, The only times i had to present a product for the competition i had i won the first prize. but i dont think this has anything to do with this anyway. but yea. I dont get your point.

[ZZZX]

back to topic, so the plan thing?

[ZZZX]

also it might have to do by being an engineer with a technical mind about making things just work out.

[ZZZX]

well,

my teammates agree that ooba is town but not townbloc material

i gut feel that ooba is scum.

take that what you will.

he wont survive to lylo anyway so you can chill about it.

[ZZZX]

how are your reads now btw?


mine is:

mollie
metal
ooba
----
alchemist
----
zar /// grey

[ZZZX]

why is it a quote

[ZZZX]

copied name got it in a quote

mine is:

mollie
metal
ooba
----
alchemist
----
zar /// grey

[ZZZX]

willing to brb for 30 minutes btw I need to take a break

[ZZZX]

@metal my eyes hurts like fuck.

[ZZZX]

and ooba and grey cannot be scum together 100%

that much is true.

[ZZZX]

zar can only have 2 partners: grey or ooba.


so if it is not grey then it is ooba.

that is where i am coming from.

i agree about both. I am still thinking this thro. if grey is scum zar is pretty much confirmed scum with him
also zar works with alchemist as partner no?

[ZZZX]

if grey is scum zar is pretty much confirmed scum with him

yes

also zar works with alchemist as partner no?

no.

i have alchemist in my townblock for goodness sake

yea but if somehow alchemist flipped scum he would make sense with him. but alchemist isnt scummy per say.

[ZZZX]

if you don't want to listen to me and want to kill greyice cause "venge" then you will be lost for not sheeping sonic

the reason i want him dead is cus of the 1v1 of us.

[ZZZX]

i mean

if we all finally decide that greyice is scum,

then we lynch him fair and square.



but if you want to speedlynch him faster than ooba can get back in the thread and post his stuff

then we are headed in a wrong direction.

we are not speed lynching noone i guess. cool?

[ZZZX]

okey I am taking a break for real now.

[ZZZX]

as for zarella shos is having him as extremely town cause he is not fitting his scum meta AT ALL but like I said meta is less effective in team mafia but he has the reasons of Kagami too.

so every1 is in a gridlock so SOMEBODY must be wrong here. it could be me. which is why I am taking a step back and see what you guys have to offer.

I am still trying to think things off and find it weird why would scum not to push for the hammer in this case

or why zar doesnt exist yet...

[ZZZX]

omg zzzx you are here!!!!!!!


i was so lonely!

was preparing for my finals. they will be fucking hard.

also half of the playlist here is doing nothing. its that bad..

p-edit: it can make sense. Ima keep ooba alive for a while tho, dont you agree? we lynch easy scum then we finish with hard one.

[ZZZX]

like this silence is really annoying.

[ZZZX]

Ooba or Zar fucking get this game moving.

-ZZZX

[ZZZX]

like thats why i have 6p days, you literally need 70% of the game to lynch,

[ZZZX]

Not Voting (5) - Alchemist, Ooba, Zar

one of you get this game moving.

there are 2 possiblities:

1- Grey is scum
then i would understnad his partner not voting, but then there are 2 more people who should be town to finish it.

2- Grey is town
Enemies are trying not to mislynch for town cred and/or just making day longer (wtf?)
generally tho

dis is boring.

[ZZZX]

yes

that is why i voted

yea, i think if you are town (which you prob are) the game is already won, lols

Are we continuing the venge plan? I thought we removed it, but if you and mollie want me dead for a venge if he was town then I dont mind.

[ZZZX]

brbr dinner


this is too long. i wanted people to think and scumhunt, not to game stagnate. holy shit

scum are trying to make this take as long as possible .

This is bullshit.

[ZZZX]

no

scum are sitting there and watch you happily get venged (if you are town)

i don't really want you dead but i swore to grey because he is a good scumhunter. and the venge will make things faster, else we get slow shit like this.

these are like opposite >>

also grey cant read me for shit anyway. but whatever. if mollie agrees to it I will self vote if he was town tomorrow,

[ZZZX]

ZZZX: I'd be thrilled if I can pull the 'Discuss plans' - 'Shut up' - 'No you shut up' thing with my scum buddies when I'm scum!

I dont get what you are saying here?

[ZZZX]

the more bullshit was:

WTF - wgeurts flipped town?

wge was not really scummy tbh.

[ZZZX]

I dont really think I will accept for one guy's venge to be accepted while another doesnt imho. it was you metal who said we need to scum hunt instead of venge so we cant just follow and stop the plan randomly. imho.

my team mates fucking blown my ears screaming at me not to self vig, and they have a point.

p-edit: well ooba is prob town as i told ya.

[ZZZX]

anyway now we wait for the mod to tell us the result.

i had the scare of my life about kagami being town and shit happening and I am having the same thing now. #hype

[ZZZX]

If you are town don't self vote. Just let town vote you cause otherwise we can't rally enough votes to get a consensus (see what happened today but with less town)

if town finds me scum using scum hunting that is something else .

[ZZZX]

what are you talking about??

honestly at this stage the game is already won most likely.

i grey flips scum however its won 100%

[ZZZX]

this day is preeettty interesting isnt it, I will need to re-read a few pages to check for something tho...

[ZZZX]

so far I must say scum remaining are doing an amazing game. it hurts when i town read nearly everyone at this stage at differnt levels.

generally my thoughts are

there is at least 1 scum between:
Alchem / Zar << will lynch today and tomorrow

There might be one scum between
ooba / metal << will lynch if game didnt end yet.

conftown for now
Mollie << mollie conf town.

[ZZZX]

Metal lets get this straight shall we, I wanted to get venged if grey was town but today looking at things there is a small problem here.

Game is split into 2 factions fighting each others and noone is townier than the other.

lets face it we cant afford a town lynch today unless we made sure to get the town safe by building a safety bridge. we have 2 main issues here

Ooba X Metal

This one is simple yet complicated. Even if both players are towny there is enough hidden "effect" between you too that will end up causing a lynch. and I am pretty sure you both cant be scum together but it is a reaaaly minor possiblity. but it doesnt effect my point


and

Alch X Zar

again there is at least 1 scum here. but still the possibility for a 2 man team to be here isnt removed. tbh its more likely.

I you all agree I am town and get to lynch me this game is lost for town. Now sonic do you value grey's "venge" or this game?

You need to get on and decide on something. I wanted to leave you guys to let mollie in command but I am pretty sure neither me or mollie can handle this mess alone. this is becoming a shitfeast and no matter what happens it will end badly since if I am lynched we will have but a single lynch remaining. aka we will be at lylo.

Anyway so far the only read I will follow faithfully is the fact that mollie is town. To be honest perhaps if I looked enough at mollie i will get a reason to fill my paranoia enough not to trust her but I have decided that the only way to win this right now is to gamble on that fact and set mollie=town as the only "fact" I can rely on., once I have that fact it becomes stubidly easy to win the game.

So we lynch Zar/Alchem today and tomorrow and we hit at least 1 scum for a 100% prob. Scum hunting made me sure I have one scum there at least. or to be more accurate town hunting/connections prove them to be scum using PoE.

If game isnt done we get ooba/metal.

[ZZZX]

Metal I will ask you, do you have confidence to hit scum tomorrow for 100%?

[ZZZX]

Metal I will ask you, do you have confidence to hit scum tomorrow for 100%?

also mollie, ika is telling you that he is still watching the thread and is here for you, (but sadly he told me he is sick today :< )

[ZZZX]

Metal I will ask you, do you have confidence to hit scum tomorrow for 100%?

Metal why not follow what i told you? we get ooba after 2 days. doesnt that look good 4 you?

[ZZZX]

1 last thing....


if grey was right about you being scum, lynching ooba-scum is akin to lynching you since you can only possibly be scum with ooba (or MOLLIE)

So if ooba is scum, even if grey is right about zzzx, sweeping off zar and zzzx is a doable thing

i personally want to get ooba after i get people who are prob scum. since I know I am not scum I dont really need that knowledge. like its a wasted lynch imho unless ooba is scum. and even as scum we can lynch ooba when we have a mislynch ready. then we get you both because I am pretty damn sure there might be 1 scum between you from ur interactions

[ZZZX]

mollie tell me when you are on i need to discuss stuff with you.

[ZZZX]

mollie do you agree that there is at least 1 scum between alchem/zar and why?

[ZZZX]

mollie do you agree that there is at least 1 scum between alchem/zar and why?

I don't understand the axis of which you are spinning from with this dichotomy. I am trying to get a read on the 2 independently and it is hard to do when I am having to wade through spam posting. I feel like you cld stand to dial it back a bit too and mebbe let the game percolate for a bit.

I am going to reread grey's iso so that I can have a clear picture of where his thoughts were when he was died. I know he gravitated to abr/alchey at the end of the day but I need to look up on who he thought was a likely partner, you or ooba. I also wanna reread at last few pages that lead up to grey's lynch. I will do this today, and I will get back with you.

I am going to take a break for a bit.

Alright
the logic i used is saying there is no more than 1 scum in metal/ooba and me and you as town, leaves those 2 with at least 1 scum.

[ZZZX]

btw mollie ika asks if you think sonic "spam" is more for apathy?

[ZZZX]

At Mollie: to be honest I am guilty of spamming the thread. Although most of it was mevgrey bs. I honestly lost it and went back to the habits I have from chat mafia. But yea you are right.

Also Mollie here is something interesting. Abr/metal slots interactions. Tbh I didn't read it since its 2:00Am here (and I can't sleep! :[ but on top of my head I feel that those slots have been... Always together in a weird way even now.

Ooba is l2 if I am correct. And interaction shows that metal is truely not a partner of Iona. Can say the same about alchemy.

So we got either pairings of ooba zar or metal alchemy mainly (other pairings still possible.

Generally empire was town. And today I am starting to lean more into alchemy but I need to read in depth when I am awake.

[ZZZX]

Because if I were to doubt anyone in our block I would doubt ooba. And this is 6p so there is a chance to end at 3p

[ZZZX]

Not really at this stage. If grey happened before wge I would have accepted it but think about the fact that tomorrow is lylo if we mislynch. We have a problem then.

Hmmm.I can see alchem work with basically anyone. Metal with you is unlikely but possible

[ZZZX]

Not really at this stage. If grey happened before wge I would have accepted it but think about the fact that tomorrow is lylo if we mislynch. We have a problem then.

Hmmm.I can see alchem work with basically anyone. Metal with you is unlikely but possible

I'm starting to feel like, your argument here is less about solving the game and more like wanting it to fit an agenda, it's like doing so you don't really want to discern the alignment of the slots you want to lynch; basically your argument is that you think they fit as partners but have left every option open that fits you; which gives you wiggle room to switch if a mislynch happens.

Let me teach you guys what I know, and make you stop misreping me, both of you and metal.

First of all I am not scum hunting

yes you read that right. I am not scum hunting, i was town hunting all game long and guess what? I have my town in mollie, with weaker town reads in ooba and metal (and metal is acting so weird that the read on him is dying out) with the rest as even less towny

alright so what did we learn here? the reasoning for my lynches. I can use the pairings if i caught one scum which at that time will be risky free since i can eliminate most enemies. also pairings can save me the pain of lynching prob town, f.e is metal scum then ooba is town.

now to some interesting stuff:
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@Metal

I asked you before I 180 on my venge if you can hit scum 100% tomorrow.

I didnt get a yes.

if you want me to venge even with that then I have a really short response:

Fuck Off No

Its really simple. You are telling me you cant win the game for sure and want me to sacrafice even knowing It ends in a lose?

This is not what I expect from the scum hunter I used to sheep, Which is the reason I dont have you as a mollie grade read. I have seen everything town mollie would do been done here and it felt genuine,. your felt weird.

Also correct me if I am wrong did you not just say zar is town just to freaking vote him? What the serious fuck?

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@Mollie

I know I promised not to respond to metal but this pisses me off, I made sure that my post is made to address all. On that note if you check sonic's post dont you feel weird? since the begining of this day he has been pushing for me so softly i felt it was abnormal. Slightly hinting at the venge over and over again (even tho he was the one that was said to appose the plan.) yet never pushing it. and slightly attacking me about it and now suddenly I happen to be a scum read of his (beatiful). Otherwise I am liking Zar at this stage tbh.

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@Zar

Same question as mollie, Also I am liking your posts. your "attacks" on me feel legit. But yea you need to wake up and look at the facts somewhat

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@Ooba

I would love thoughts about the game at this stage. you have been useless the last few days to be frank. I have not noticed any informal posts from you lately

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@Alchem

I dont feel your posts scummy per say but if you ask me your interactions with sonic slot after being re-read are really reaaly fishy, also my gut tells me scum team is alchem-sonic. Anyway for now I would like your general thoughts on Zar/Ooba/Sonic and who makes more sense as scum more.



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@Alchem

[ZZZX]

->ZZZX's 180 on the venge is super scummy.
-> "When you promise to be ok with being lynched, have a mislynch and THEN claim that you don't think you should be lynched, that's scum 101."

quick note i forgot to add: I promised at day 5 considering we will have 2 more lynches. grey died at day 6,. Even grey posting before he got lynched showed he had less interest in his venge after all. Because he knew how critical it was after wge's lynch. that a single mislynch gives us holi lylo

[ZZZX]

-@MetalI asked you before I 180 on my venge if you can hit scum 100% tomorrow. I didnt get a yes. if you want me to venge even with that then I have a really short response: Fuck Off No Its really simple. You are telling me you cant win the game for sure and want me to sacrafice even knowing It ends in a lose? This is not what I expect from the scum hunter I used to sheep, Which is the reason I dont have you as a mollie grade read. I have seen everything town mollie would do been done here and it felt genuine,. your felt weird. Also correct me if I am wrong did you not just say zar is town just to freaking vote him? What the serious fuck?

Shos said it. I don't necessarily agree with him. I'm just posting what he said. So you are wrong on all of them.

Grey is right, you are a terrible reader.

Sonic's Post of the Day REOPENED

-Editor note: browser crashed, my wall got deleted. Damn.

Hi everyone! It appears that the game's trend is lulling into a "low post frequency, high content" kind of meta, so I'm going to revert back to my Day 1 where I post ONLY on the computer and ONLY 24 hours. Through this, I hope that my town alignment can be clearly reflected to all, and that mollie and myself can be entrusted to carry the reigns of town and bring us to the final win. I envision us to be the beacons of light that will permeate the haze that has fallen upon us since the replacements entered. This also means that I will be speaking to mollie like a normal person, rather than attempt to be endearing with her "molliespeak", as it appears that she does not appreciate it.

I'm proud of you though!! I enjoyed you talking to Mollie in molliespeak although I don't think she understood what you were trying to do

---

Firstly, I would like to deliver fresh game thoughts from shos directly from the team pt:

shos is startled by both wgeurts and Grey flipping town. shos would accept the vengeshot, as we have not reached lylo.

shos thinks that Zar* is "super uber doopir extremely supertown in a level of lynch-me-before-him," [sic]
->-> Additionally, shos feels that Zar's case on Alchemist is "pretty darn good", accounting for the fact that bussing in this setup would be either suicidal or very brave play.

Reason*:

"VCA+empire's ISO+his posts' content make me nod, almost always."

With this thought, shos is looking at a Alchemist/ZZZX scumteam; if Alchemist flips scum, shos feels that ooba is clear.

shos likes mollie better when he looks at her recent posts and results. shos particularly likes the Wisdom thought that she had shared about the Grey flip. 4205

@ZZZX @Ooba

What do the both of you think of Alchemist's 4207 non-response to the case of him, and in fact supporting the player trying to lynch him?

"WTF"

-- in response to 4215

->ZZZX's 180 on the venge is super scummy.
-> "When you promise to be ok with being lynched, have a mislynch and THEN claim that you don't think you should be lynched, that's scum 101."

---

I've taken the time to reread the entire game. That's right. I tried to look at the game with the eyes of a new replacement, to understand the perspectives of flipped town, and see who was having dodgy interactions with flipped scum. There's too much to say, and I can literally write a case on every player (including myself!) that they are scum, but the difficult part is analyzing which player is more likely to be scum than the others here. There is no such thing as a 100%, but I try to narrow confidence levels to as high as possible.

Also, since we're circlejerking about reads, found this tidbit:

I will not lynch: Metal Sonic, ABR, ZZZ X
Town but may lynch if only they are left: Zar, Wgeurts, EddieFenix
I am willing to lynch: Kagami, Sotty, Ooba
[Paranoid scumreads that flipped town]: Nachomamma, GreyICE

Mollie. If you want to interact with me, ask me any question and I will answer seriously now. Anything.

I read my ISO in under 30 minutes, by the way. Of course, maybe you could argue that I already knew my alignment, and that I (sort of) remember what I post, but the first page isn't bad!

---

Responses to the overnight information

you have certainly not been putting time than I have.

Let's be clear here. I am definitely putting the most amount of time than all the other players in the game. I'm not going to even argue with you on this as you won't entertain it, and if I'm mature, neither should I.

I can't remember a thing that zarella says when there are 3 entire pages consisting of nothing but you and zzthing.

They were necessary for me to sort ZZZX. I hope you already understand the point that me and ZZZX have a long history, and that you can respect our method of sorting each other out, even if it looks unorthodox or may be messy to those who do have a clue what is going on. shos was pushing hard for me to vote ZZZX, in addition to Titus's incriminating VCA result and Grey's strong scumread on him. If it weren't for that sorting exercise, I would be voting him immediately first thing today, and never move my vote. So, please respect what we were trying to do.

pretty sure that if grey realised that you were the 1 with the 800+ vote count he wld have said the same to you.

This is wrong. Grey was the one who heavily hinted that I stop 'posting walls', and to be "more concise". Obviously, he wouldn't be insulting me coarsely for that, because it is a town thing to do, but it was clearly implied.

Wait, an Eddie vote?

ABR you are Santa Claus! I <3 you

Vote: Eddie

MetalSonic, I literally loath you and your play. I make a strong effort to post posts that are coherent, logical thoughts. I make a strong effort to clearly and concisely communicate, to not post meandering walls, to try and actually communicate what I am thinking. When you put zero effort into understanding my posts, as you have done, you remove my desire to communicate with you.

Well, he did insult me, whoops. But I was scumreading him too so that probably contributed to his annoyance.

I went through Sotty's ISO and noticed she kept complaining about Seraphim and how nobody was lynching the slot, but didn't hardpush for that lynch. She had her vote on Seraphim for most of the game, but in her final post she still had Ooba as scummiest but had her vote on the Eddie/Mollie slot.

Do you have any insights from her ISO? It seems like you are summarizing what you found, but not actually gaining any new scumreads/knowledge; no analysis.

Based on the Seraphim-Sotty relationship, the Townpoints here would be Sotty voteparking on Seraphim for the vast majority of their time in the game and Seraphim accurately ID'ing Kagami/Sotty/GI. The scumpoints would be Sotty's and Seraphim's suspicions on each other never really went anywhere and they both were complaining about stuff when they weren't posting about GI/Sotty/Kagami.

Your points are very weak. Did you take into account Big Brother ABR's catch on Seraphim?

Spoiler: ABR warns Seraphim of extremely suspicious interactions

You unvoted Sotty so she could post more, even though you have a scum read on her, and decide to vote for Hoopla who posted even less content than Sotty.

Vote: Seraphim

Seraphim. My friend. I'm going to give you one chance to realize how major your mistake was just now so you can correct it. I just showed you how scummy you look if Sotty flips scum. Even if she doesn't, your behavior in the last two hours are more contrived than the last season of How I met your Mother. I

will

lynch you later for this, you realize that, surely? You understand how this makes you look and how I will make sure that you flip because of this mistake, right?

Your next post is a vote for Sotty or I guarantee you I will see you to the ground,

personally

.

what lynch inertia existed at that time?

Inertia is a physics concept:

Inertia is the resistance of any physical object to any change in its state of motion, including changes to its speed and direction. It is the tendency of objects to keep moving in a straight line at constant velocity

What I mean is that the Kagami lynch was like a monster truck crushing through, and Ooba couldn't stop it even if he had a crowbar and a hammer. I hope you noticed how Ooba tried to stop the Kagami lynch that day -- then a few hours later after I go to bed and wait for him to post his thoughts, he turns table and launches an assault on me instead. That's lynch inertia, Ooba had a 0% chance of derailing the Kagami wagon. Because he is a human trying to stop a truck.

there wasn't much stagnation at this point.

There was stagnation 3 days ago during the GreyICE day. An entire weekend of nobody posting.

Spoiler: mollie is bored too

metal, I don't even want to deal with you cos you are trying to engage me only on the level of ego posting and I am just too bored and tired to deal with it.

also I am bored.

I will pester you into a grey lynch

I think that is sincerely beneficial

I don't like how metal is trying to speed his way through the game

You are right, and I apologise if you don't like it.

cos the inertia that he thinks is happening is not actually happening.

This is true too. It's only been a couple of days, and the game has run for only a month. But it feels like it has been 4 months since Day 1. This game's intensity pumps in a lot of action and makes time feel elongated. I'm a hyperactive teenager, I hope you understand.

and then metal says this which is a lie:

I think I should explain this clearly to you and nip the problem in the bud before it snowballs any further. Mollie, I was

never

in favor of a venge plan. Nacho's reads and lynch list, I did agree of, except that I had wanted GreyICE to flip first regardless. Ooba's 'case' on me -- since debunked -- was entirely because of my showing of this reluctance and he thought it was scummy because he could not understand what I was doing.

And then I blame ooba for derailing the nacho plan. That's a separate issue, I got distracted by shiny things. I don't think there's a contradiction here, but if you want to clear up any misunderstanding, please clear them up with

me

rather than have nasty thoughts that don't help the game.

He rallied hard for the Sotty lynch even when Nacho was getting wagoned and hard advocated Nacho Town, which I like.

Is this something that scum cannot do? They know who will flip scum and who will not.

Did you take into account that Ooba is a good player and is able to town up regardless of alignment, while Seraphim was more inexperienced and whose actions would be more alignment-indicative?

if I take Ooba out of that pool

Why are you taking Ooba out of the pool despite the inconsistencies that you have found in Seraphim's ISO?

@Zar:

I've requested for you to analyze Ooba earlier but you appear to have missed it. I cannot find any mention of Ooba in your ISO nor see your thoughts on him. Can you analyze ooba later?

VOTE: Zar

[ZZZX]

oh god it quoted the whole post.

just read the part where u talk about my 180 being scummy.

[ZZZX]

Anyway post all your thoughts and I might reply tonight. I dont want to spam the thread

[ZZZX]

Hello guys!

Sorry I've been away for a bit. But RL is really eating away at a lot of my time. (I'm getting married in 20 days!!)

I really need to devote an entire afternoon to this. So I'll do it tomorrow.

Oi Ooba Grats! hope you enjoy life

[ZZZX]

note saying I was busy today with studying, will post tomorrow on some info I have in mind about metal after re-reading him.

[ZZZX]

Skimmed it one and a half time. Continuing the other half ATM. Its impossible to full read it imho anytime soon lol.

[ZZZX]

okay this where I am at

I isoed empire and reread zarella's and this is what I have come up with

empire's iso looked really strong, the 1 thing that bugged me was that he left the game w/o leaving a trail but when I reread zar's I can see where he was still in the game and giving zar his reads as the game progressed. with that in mind and reading a town flipped grey's iso I can see a very natural progression of flow of thought and development of reads as well as a set of several reachouts which seems to come from a mindset of town. I think he is naturally just a low count poster but what i am seeing is full of content. he is now for me a strong town read.

I have to agree. esp zar's today content.

the only thing i hated with zar was day 3-6 content being sub zero. but right now he is pretty good.

also i will post in depth reads for sonic tonight if i finish the post but the tl;dr i got was.... it wasnt too bright for sonic to say the least., (and neither for alchemist IF sonic flips scum)

[ZZZX]

okay this where I am at

I isoed empire and reread zarella's and this is what I have come up with

empire's iso looked really strong, the 1 thing that bugged me was that he left the game w/o leaving a trail but when I reread zar's I can see where he was still in the game and giving zar his reads as the game progressed. with that in mind and reading a town flipped grey's iso I can see a very natural progression of flow of thought and development of reads as well as a set of several reachouts which seems to come from a mindset of town. I think he is naturally just a low count poster but what i am seeing is full of content. he is now for me a strong town read.

I have to agree. esp zar's today content.

the only thing i hated with zar was day 3-6 content being sub zero. but right now he is pretty good.

also i will post in depth reads for sonic tonight if i finish the post but the tl;dr i got was.... it wasnt too bright for sonic to say the least., (and neither for alchemist IF sonic flips scum)

yes well in the meantime can you help me lynch ooba

I honestly slightly town read ooba but I can help you do that if you want but let me present my case first, please? we have 4 days.

[ZZZX]

I said I am pushing for metal but I want to post my case first ya see.. Phone posting and out of town for the day but post is saved at my pc

[ZZZX]

Ooba is voted by mollie metal and alchemist.

thinking about it the only people not voting ooba are me and zar atm, and I will lynch if needed but it seems fishy unless we have a bus. thoughts mollie?

anyway my reads at this stage

Town
Me
Mollie
Zar
Alchemist
Ooba
Metal
Scum

I will make metal case 2moro but i just feel metal is scum.

[ZZZX]

also a tl;dr is this:

Dont be offended metal but generally ur reactions with kagami/sotty reminded me of organic mafia's reads and reactions to me and mollie.

add that to the fact that titus vca exists. you are a guy that doesnt follow people easily., yet you are just 2 steps away from worshipping titus vca even tho frankly it has been wrong so far. it felt as fake as kagami read list. Giving alchemist extra scum points tbh. but alchemist did great things today.

that and a few things including pure gut.

[ZZZX]

i have never said "not really" about it tbh, i remeber i posted about it 2 times but I generally wasnt too sure so I just let it pass about it. but after re-reading metal I felt it for sure.

what about you? do you feel anything about it?

[ZZZX]

i have never said "not really" about it tbh, i remeber i posted about it 2 times but I generally wasnt too sure so I just let it pass about it. but after re-reading metal I felt it for sure.

what about you? do you feel anything about it?

I am feeling that I want ooba lynched and I am not really finding a particularly good reason not to do this.

well... intent to hammer ooba within 24 hours max.

[ZZZX]

but ill be honestr having the wagon with metal-alchemist is sad for my mind state

[ZZZX]

using shiny letters does not make ur case better. I will crush your case m8 really soon today, but right now I am sure about you.

yes I flip my reads and re-read. yes i turned my read but it wasnt a 180. also titus's is wrong on 2 people fmpov. you can bullshit ur way saying it has one flip in the buttom and I am not confirmed but guess what? the way i see it it has 2 town in the buttom. 1 scum in the top.

but really this is scum sonic right here. I am pretty sure of that.

[ZZZX]

ZZZX just moved you to his 2nd top scumread. Even though he was previously able to 'townblock' you.

I promised my team mates to follow mollie and try to help mollie catch scum.

if mollie wants an ooba dead then I wouldnt mind

but this play from you metal is bullshit.

within 3 hours actually I will take your whole post and turn it into pieces I will prove wrong

and I mean the reaction of soft defending. not how you react with us as people. is it that hard to understand?

[ZZZX]

VOTE: metal btw

I never liked ooba wagon composition anyway

[ZZZX]

Also metal remeber when i said that my scum reads do not matter most of the game since I am town hunting? thats why ooba's read fell. his town read got weaker than zar's. right now I am trusting in zar and mollie as town and thats it.

[ZZZX]

@ooba I totally agree with you zar read atm, right now my reads look like:

do not lynch ever:
Mollie

Do not lynch:
Zar

I will lynch if i have to today: ooba/alchemist

Dis is scuuuuum: Metal

[ZZZX]

@ooba I totally agree with you zar read atm, right now my reads look like:

do not lynch ever:
Mollie

Do not lynch:
Zar

I will lynch if i have to today: ooba/alchemist

Dis is scuuuuum: Metal

Why would you ever have me in the "lynch" category if you think MS is scum?

because as a PoE there are 2 scum. you are the least likely but even if metal flips scum I would lynch you over say... mollie. and i think you agree on that point.

[ZZZX]

Your tl;dr is all misrep and bullshit and liar and I don't think any good can come out of your "case"

Your tl;dr is all misreps and bullshit and

lies (or: you are a liar)

anyway why do you believe that? I am pretty damn sure about my town reads at the very least. in fact once we get at least 1 scum down I am ready to present my head on a silver plate if mollie demands it. thats how much i trust mollie at this stage.

[ZZZX]

had a net outage but whatever m8, Anyone who even iso's you will see my case, I will write it in depth later. thats all I have to say.

[ZZZX]

, I have ZZZX as 95% scum right now,

and if you were ehm wrong, ?

[ZZZX]

Anyway, so if we do not get any scum down, you are not going to kill yourself even if mollie demands it? Ha ha! piece of shit scumbag, how more obvious can you be?

nice way to misrep me and play on my words scumsonic.

[ZZZX]

had a net outage but whatever m8, Anyone who even iso's you will see my case, I will write it in depth later. thats all I have to say.

3 hours u piece of shit

I said 3 hours then went afk indefinitly, I am not that emotionaly contected to this game to leave studying for my finals to reply to everything said here.

[ZZZX]

You piece of shit. When you put someone in a "town block", you are not supposed to take them out for bullshit reasons. Including me, including ooba. Your "town hunting" is shit and I don't think anybody cares.

"shit reasons" do not include major things that make me believe in scum you.
frankly you can not apply the way you deal with "town bloks" with the way I deal with them, get over it. you only scum read me when i start scum reading you which is pretty annoying

[ZZZX]

also remember that my reads are not mien alone, its the result of 3 heads discussing with each others, It is just me who has to express the result of our discussions.

[ZZZX]

Frankly I have no time to write my case today, and ooba's oppurtanistic push of me is lovely too. noone of the things i did now which you quoted were not done before. frankly Do you quote something i said 1k posts ago and expect me not to change my mind about it? stop bullshiting me. both ooba and metal are loving to misrep me in everything. every single post you talked about me in the last 2 pages is a fucking misrep

and msireps are the things i hate most. it pisses me off.

VOTE: ooba

call it omgus, call it a survival vote, call it whatever. but this is bullshit here. <ooba/metal/alchem> There are 2 scum here, nothing else to say.

also this much misrep and I have no time to respond to every single piece of shit i have to face, I will try to see if I can switch with someone in my team because this is giving me a fucking headache,

[ZZZX]

The bolded is my most likely pairing right now because
a) I cannot believe that ZZZX can simultaneously state "If I flip town, NEVER lynch mollie\ooba" and still say I'm one of the lynch candidates today
b) Alch's "If ooba's scum with ZZZX, lets lynch ooba today"

Plus add ZZZX's insistence to keep MS\Me alive instead of resolving the 1:1 - clearly if both of us were town, this works out *very* effectively for scum in LyLo.

thanks for misrep, let me reply how i wanted to resolve your 1:1 before lylo IF YOU READ my posts you misreping *. also suddenly ur scum reading me for this instead of when i said it, clearly just sticking reasons to make me scum instead of checking if something makes me scum (aka reversing process)

I wont mind replying to the bullshit in the last 2 pages unless mollie tells me she wants a reply to a specific point. I am off to study.

and if some ninja wagon happens because scum is op then its simple enough: Mollie/Zar lives , you hit the first scum in <metal/ooba/alch (most likely to be metal)> then u lynch the last 2 and its game.

[ZZZX]

Also VLA for 3 days, I will be here for a few minutes everyday at least tho.

[ZZZX]

Ooba (3) - Pirate Mollie, Alchemist, ZZZX
ZZZX (2) - Metal Sonic, Ooba << people i said I dont mind lynching + scum read. okey this wagon is totally not self defence from at least 1 scum.
Alchemist (1) - Zar

[ZZZX]

because of the day deadline. @ooba.

ill just wait for my team mates to ask them a few things. cus this is pissing me off.

p-edit: that much is true, i am merely following mollie on your read. but i personally want to do this:
VOTE: metal

[ZZZX]

Ooba ill be honest btw, the reads agreed by me and ika (and gif but i havent talked to gif lately) are this simple

Town as hell: Mollie

Reaaly Reaaly town: Zar

Ooba: Ooba

Scum team: Metal/Alch

the only case is that if one of the scum team we wrote would flip town it would be you, but i dont expect me to do so.


@Mollie: If you trust that we are town then please sheep us on sonic, I am pretty sure of it. Also Ika is asking you if you rather want him to switch with me here so you two can discuss this face-to-face. tell me what you want about it.

[ZZZX]

Ooba if you are on I want to have a quick talk to you here. please tell me you are on.

[ZZZX]

okey lets get some facts straight,

do you agree that zar is town first:?

also who are my possible partners here?

[ZZZX]

i think u said its alch/mollie before ... right?

[ZZZX]

okey lets get some facts straight,

do you agree that zar is town first:?

also who are my possible partners here?

I believe Zar is town. Some paranoia since the vla was bad - but I've got to make a stand somewhere.

Alch is a possible partner. Mollie was a possible partner but the unvote makes me doubt that.

okey so lets get this straight first,

Every single flipped town said mollie is town, and you as a person who palyed so much with mollie must know better mollie is town, and claiming otherwise is scum claiming here because its obv.

do you disagree about this point?

[ZZZX]

i think u said its alch/mollie before ... right?

quote="In post 4381, ZZZX"]i think u said its alch/mollie before ... right?

My D5 call out was MS and Alch.

I have my doubts about that
- Alchs ill vote MS if you'll vote wgeurts with me tomorrow
- Alchs call out to MS who is voting you
Both could be extremely good scum play but it just makes me think I'm barking up the wrong tree.[/quote]
i ment partners to me.

but can you reply to my last post because there is a point i wana make and i will let you judge weither or not I got a point.

[ZZZX]

Grey didn't call Mollie town btw.

he didnt? idk

but generally nacho (who has a 97% read accuracy on mollie) said mollie is town,

also ika my team mate said mollie is town

and generally you wouldnt replace as scum to a slot where there is a player that never reads you wrong,

do you agree with me here?

[ZZZX]

because i still have a point i wana make,

first of all can you check some facts about metal's vote pattern:

-Metal have never voted kagami/sotty, i might be wrong about sotty as i didnt check it recently but I am sure about kagami (until the nacho incident ofc)

-Metal have softly defended both kagami and sotty.

Are there any lies in the two facts above?

[ZZZX]

That was mollies reasoning. But I've already stated that nacho was scum readng Eddie fenix at that time and even if nacho has 95% accuracy in reading Mollie, it might have been worth taking th risk for the 5% and the WIFOM defense it presents.

the reason i believe in that is because i understand the reasoning as I am living it right now, I am resisting replacing with ika without any words since everyone is trying to put some wifom with some misrep about me and its pissing me off.

[ZZZX]

because i still have a point i wana make,

first of all can you check some facts about metal's vote pattern:

-Metal have never voted kagami/sotty, i might be wrong about sotty as i didnt check it recently but I am sure about kagami (until the nacho incident ofc)

-Metal have softly defended both kagami and sotty.

Are there any lies in the two facts above?

Metal voted sotty on D3. Would have probably voted kagami if he didn't invite to listen to my case.

Are you trying to convince me of metal might be scum? You forget my d4 case on him.

But yes - no lies there.

Okey so if this is right then lets take this from your point if view as town:

Town: you , zar , mollie
Remaining : Me,metal,alchem

generally here if you will use poe alchem will be scum. am I correct? (i doubt anyone same would think me and metal are in a scum team lol)

[ZZZX]

That was mollies reasoning. But I've already stated that nacho was scum readng Eddie fenix at that time and even if nacho has 95% accuracy in reading Mollie, it might have been worth taking th risk for the 5% and the WIFOM defense it presents.

the reason i believe in that is because i understand the reasoning as I am living it right now, I am resisting replacing with ika without any words since everyone is trying to put some wifom with some misrep about me and its pissing me off.

And I've never voted Mollie because of these facts.

IF Mollie is scum, ill catch her after catching her partner - but I'm not going after Mollie first. Also AD wouldn't approve.

because i still have a point i wana make,

first of all can you check some facts about metal's vote pattern:

-Metal have never voted kagami/sotty, i might be wrong about sotty as i didnt check it recently but I am sure about kagami (until the nacho incident ofc)

-Metal have softly defended both kagami and sotty.

Are there any lies in the two facts above?

Metal voted sotty on D3. Would have probably voted kagami if he didn't invite to listen to my case.

Are you trying to convince me of metal might be scum? You forget my d4 case on him.

But yes - no lies there.

Okey so if this is right then lets take this from your point if view as town:

Town: you , zar , mollie
Remaining : Me,metal,alchem

generally here if you will use poe alchem will be scum. am I correct? (i doubt anyone same would think me and metal are in a scum team lol)

[ZZZX]

^no clue why it quoted and posted last 2 posts. pressed submit by msitake btw

[ZZZX]

just a quick thing before im gone to think about

titus vca:
MS << metal
Zar << town
GI << town
Mollie << town

Ooba << town from your pov (arent you?)
ZZZX << town (you might say im scum if you want but whatever)
Wgeurts << town
if alch was town then from your point of view you see that people which chance to be scum are town. Metal sonic was put as super town after a vca while his vca was... suckingly bad. like really really bad.

in addition to this you can add the fact that metal is worshiping this vca like wtf even tho it has been really bad. this vca and kagami's read list were the same thing in terms of being bad and fake. which basically makes my case on alch. metal worshiping the vca however is what makes them both bad. no sane human would say metal sonic is a strong town read vca-wise. you might say he isnt scum at best if you want to or even use his posts but if you are doing a vca and put a shitty player vca wise at the top it doesnt go on that easily.

but other than the vca i have nothing against alchem. but metal here is purely scum.

[ZZZX]

VOTECOUNT 7.8

ZZZX (2) - Metal Sonic, Ooba
Ooba (1) - Alchemist
Alchemist (1) - Zar
Metal Sonic (1) - ZZZX

Not Voting (1) - Pirate Mollie

With 6 alive, it is 4 to lynch.

Zar is V/LA until 5/5.
ZZZX is V/LA until 5/6.

Deadline is 5/6 at 6 PM Eastern, which is in (expired on 2015-05-04 18:00:00).

deadline in 10 hours, i guess zar/alch/mollie think I am the scum here since they are not doing anything right now and will let me lynch go thro?
if you think I am scum then vote me, if you think I am not scum then vote with me and trust me on this.

thats all

also @ooba do you really think I am the scum here? you are following someone who has done everything the scum in this game did to vote me who was your town read for most of the game. where the other guy was one of your main scum reads? and the reason for your vote is a 180 which frankly... you did (and mine was never a 180 frankly)

[ZZZX]

other than zar becoming town nothing have changed, its 6p to a single change reotates the whole thing lying scum,

also venge you? Dont bullshit me

look me at the eyes and tell me I am wrong, you WILL dodge it out eitherway as either allignment and bullshit your way out of a venge. so stop using bullshit logic.

you have no actual read on me, you reading me wrong here is enough to prove you are scum. add that to countless stuff including vca, ur interactions with scum and poe

[ZZZX]

Please be kindly reminded that you are GreyICE's venge for the day

Shut the fuck up, scum

You think zar and Mollie is stupid to let scum-me bullshit out of a lynch? You're the one who is bullshit here. Everyone and their mother is scumreading me and alchey. If you are town we die simple as that.

You lose to super sonic. Try again next game.

metal stop bullshitnig me, what does me refusing to die as any allignment mean? nothing. so stop bullshiting it

also if everyone and thier mother are scum reading you that much then you should be lynched right now because its true.

add that to one last thing


p-edit: its k, had to sleep at that time anyway

If you shit dont stop doing stuff as calling me vla as something fake then I will be fucking pissed. I have my reasons for the vla but I NEVER EVER fake vlas for allignment reasons or replace for allignment reasons. so stop bullshiting me

@mollie read metal's last posts and tell me you dont see him as scum? hell he and ooba are voting me without a case just after i gave my case on metal (which ooba himself said its true). Metal blaming me for 180 which didnt happen (more like a single change in a 5 person-sized readlist) when he is the person who have done the most.

#metal lets give you a small test, you are for sure that I am scum and that mollie zar are town, cool.

who is my partner then? ooba? why wouldnt u lynch him then? why is he pushing for me instead of you for example? so its not
alchemist? hes the other guy im pushing later onand frankly if ooba is town he would be scum.

but sadly the truth is that you metal ur self are scum.

i am 90% sure of it atm, ur either scum or playing like shit. but i doubt ur playing like shit in a fucking TM

[ZZZX]

ooba read metal last post as he misreps me saying that venge is not going to work to make it as if its a scumthing to miss venges and makes me scum cus of it then calls my vla fake just like a dick.

and tell me its coming from town..

[ZZZX]

(and mine was never a 180 frankly)

Let's just take a close look at the animation again



Ah. Looks like

only

Mollie didn't switch place in your reads. So it isn't a 180, sadly.

I'm sorry, ZZZX, I've been misrepping you.

zar went up

and you went full down

and that is basically all the change.

p-edit: read where i said about the fact where ull dodge a venge as both allignment (read as: non allignment indicative, everyone loves to live and needs to)

also i understand. I am doing maths atm too so its fine.

pp-edit: i believe its alch most likely because of titus's vca being dumbly faked (just like kagami)
also its now where i double read nearly everything he said, also i tried to push him with u d5, but i said to my team to try and use metal to find if he slips anything about his partners. looking at titus stuff when he keeps talking about it made me sure somewhat.

[ZZZX]

pp-edit: i believe its alch most likely because of titus's vca being dumbly faked (just like kagami)
also its now where i double read nearly everything he said, also i tried to push him with u d5, but i said to my team to try and use metal to find if he slips anything about his partners. looking at titus stuff when he keeps talking about it made me sure somewhat.

Would you be willing to lynch Alch today then?

using poe i dont mind lynch alch.

[ZZZX]

Wait, fuck.

Thaaaat's why the both of you are scum together ~.~

oooh~? ur gona defend ur scumpartner now?

[ZZZX]

Wait, fuck.

Thaaaat's why the both of you are scum together ~.~

oooh~? ur gona defend ur scumpartner now?

[ZZZX]

metal if u remove the people you town read from players me ooba and alch are left as possible scum (if you were town but oh well...). yet ur bullshiting here about it. dont ya think?

[ZZZX]

who is my partner then? ooba? why wouldnt u lynch him then?

*Ahem*

This is exactly what Alchemist meant.

Are you baiting us?

every single person i feel like i dont mind dying you are telling me that i am baiting a mislynch? then frankly it seems i have no partner and i am a lone scum from ur discrption. am i missing anything?

[ZZZX]

MS - me being scum with ZZZX is unlikely. My second vote on him would have been the plurality clincher and I didn't know deadline was extended till I came back.

then we are on agreement that basically if i was scum my "partner" is prob alch. mollie's unvote and your vote because would have killed me by now which was dumb frankly but w.e

do we have an agreement here?

[ZZZX]

you said i was, you said i am willing voting alch cus my partner is ooba = voting a mislynch.

am i missing anything

[ZZZX]

i dont mind lynch alch

but i want ur skull

[ZZZX]

mis repping me is lovely.

does i dont mind = ill vote him right now and leave the person who i 1v1'd and i am sure to be scum?

[ZZZX]

i dont even get what u said above but as I said. I wont be zzzx if you didnt back out of that anyway.

p-edit: well i survived. what makes u the better overall trickster not survive just as me since it would be lylo?

[ZZZX]

metal if you were town you would know i am town just by looking at my posts. your failing here is a fucking allarming thing (in addition to other classic scum-tells)

[ZZZX]

metal if you were town you would know i am town just by looking at my posts. your failing here is a fucking allarming thing (in addition to other classic scum-tells)

Speak that to yourself. I raised that point before you.

sadly i read you and i see you are scum. and you say I am scum. so we are in a disagreement here. and frankly the only time u called me scum as town you were wrong anyway

[ZZZX]

@Metal You are starting to talk some bullshit here bro. We both know game was stalled for 2 days with nothing happening. I dont need "your" help because I am in no danger at all. do you see my getting lynched? the next time you say its for saving me or something shitty like that I am really dropping my town read on you.

"I am really dropping my town read on you."

I don't think town actually randomly drops townreads, but that's just my opinion.

Anyway, I dropped my town read on you first this time, so ha!

nope, i did first ya fool.

and i didnt drop anything. i showed legit reasons, your is a pure omgus so late in the game.

[ZZZX]

metal if you were town you would know i am town just by looking at my posts. your failing here is a fucking allarming thing (in addition to other classic scum-tells)

Speak that to yourself. I raised that point before you.

sadly i read you and i see you are scum. and you say I am scum. so we are in a disagreement here. and frankly the only time u called me scum as town you were wrong anyway

So are you calling me wrong? Or are you calling me scum? Can you make up your mind?

Or even if I flip town it won't make you look scummy anyway?

Sorry bro, it doesn't work that way.

I am calling you scum and saying in the 1/100 chance ur town that you are wrong so you can look at your own bs you are saying. but frankly the way you are misreping my posts it appears you are scum.

[ZZZX]

i agree about zar, generally one of the people who are town read by all 's read is welcome.

i explained my reasoning.

pedit: you voted me when i said why I will vote you off. so nope.

your posts were pure misrep that came after i said i heavily suspect you. get your fucking facts straight.

p-edit: i was wrong about grey, yea. but in the end grey clearly showed he didnt suspect me as much, i knew he might flip town but both wge's venge and my team were paranoid of him. so things had to be done. but i played with you enough to know you.

[ZZZX]

also me wanted to live as town is not true? fuck your misrep i am done with you.

cus town would love to get mislynched so much #scarcasm4dumbpeople.

[ZZZX]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

[ZZZX]

If you want me to be honest here, I'm going by reputation. Titus's reputation is at stake if this messes up, which is not the case, since Mollie/Zar/Grey are 3/3 everybody-agrees-town in the top block. If Alchemist is town, and I know I'm town, then that confirms that Titus's VCA is spot-on again. The only other possibility here is that the VCA maker is scum. REGARDLESS, ZZZX ends up scum, and clearly he is unhappy abut being the bottom 2.

frankly if alch is town taht should confirm ooba as scum for you if you were town yet you are trying to gain ooba at your side, hmm?

[ZZZX]

I think ZZZX driving up the Titus VCA point is silly? Alchemist himself earlier says something about "Me and Zar are scum" which is 100% contrary to that VCA that he set up --- and Titus is his teammate! Shows how much stock he puts in that VCA thing.

yet you followed it like a cultist following thier holy grail...

I deny. You are a liar.

I double deny. every single time you were told off you were going "but titus vca" "but titus so gud"
"omg titussss"

im pretty sure nearly everyone in the game can confirm that.

[ZZZX]

and no i wont go thro ur iso again to quote it, read you iso 1k posts ur self and see how long it takes.

[ZZZX]

You are misrepping me as if it is a good point in your "case"

you said that then 100 posts later u started using it,

[ZZZX]

and it was one of hte reasons u said ur lynching wge for so...

quadra ldeny

[ZZZX]

anyway wge was scummy as fuck and you also said that he "hit a tight spot in your scumdar". dont be a hypocrite. It was one of the reasons but its not the only reason so why are you mad??

you have said here it is one of the reasons. so why are you asking me to prove it... ?
and yea he did post a few posts that hit my scumdar. but i believed in wge and knew he was town till the end.

anyone im done for now. ill do some cs, study then sleep or smthing.

[ZZZX]

Ok. These last few pages make me think it's ZZZX/Ooba.

I still want to know why Mollie unvoted altogether. We need her support.

Also, Titus has said in our PT she has the bad luck to hit the Townies first that end up in her VCA lynchpool. She hasn't given an updated VCA vut she still seems to be pretty confident in her first one.

VOTE: ZZZX

P-edit: It's on the wiki, and it's a few years old. I can give you the link now if you want.

^ and this is how u catch scum

Metal/alch gg

[ZZZX]

what is that link even supposed to mean?

mafia is nto a game that can be solved bya guideline sadly so... wahts ur point here?

[ZZZX]

well im sorry i didn't believe in wge, neither did the rest of the people (Zar, Grey, Ooba, wgeurts) on the 4 people wagon

Wge didn't believe in wge? Are you just copy pasting without reading the game or wat

Also at zar I have said I voted ooba at that time as following Mollie mainly with poe as a 2ndary mini reason

[ZZZX]

Because you, ABR, and Titus were all telling me he's Town. Then when we had an Ooba wagon ZZZX's reaction to it wasn't great; he acted like he suspects Ooba but he's voted away when he could. I feel like Ooba and ZZZX are trying to distance from each other while managing to push a wagon together, and that's making me more confident that Ooba and ZZZX are the scumteam and MS is Town.

Ooba so scbuddy to me his vote would have lynched me if the mod didn't do the deadline qrong ok

[ZZZX]

ZZZX is the stronger scumread for her because whenever he was voting for scum, he would leave the wagon if it got too serious only if there was a viable wagon to join. She believes Town that gets cold feet on a wagon leaves regardless of the viability of alternate wagons.

I don't even get what the last sentwnse means but the thing is that this is a lie. I have been trying to push for the wagon on scum all the time andswitfhed to hoppla as a case of time remaining and getting the game moving frankly.

Also alch. If you were town you would have looked and saw how metal refused to vote the scum any single time except maybe once. And he wasnt the "counter wagon" at all m8. Ita bs.

[ZZZX]

personally at this point i dont care which one of metal or alch dies first since they are both scum so..

VOTE: alch

this is l1.