Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:42 am

In post 1221, Iecerint wrote:
In post 1218, Cephrir wrote:i'm not actually voting you right now

the reason i'm interested in you claiming is that i don't think there is a role that meets the specifications it would have to for your play to make sense

Do you only play normals or something?

No sir. But apparently
-it only needs to live to day 2
-it's okay if it gets roleblocked/otherwise fucked with

that doesn't add up to me

In post 1223, Rhinox wrote:
In post 1211, TierShift wrote:Why does anyone think katsuki is town? Serious question.

In post 1213, Cephrir wrote:i don't think anyone thinks katsuki is town and isn't named iecerint

I mean, kats is pretty hard to read in a vacuum IMO but in my meta on him scumkats is more involved, tries to actually get people lynched, is more manipulative, cares more, etc. And townkats lurks more, is less involved, goes with the flow, doesn't really make cases or what not especially early in games. Kats play looks more like townkats. I've even seen townkats selfvote on like day 3 rather than trying to get someone else lynched, and that fits with the whole "eff this I'm out" he was going with earlier. So in terms of his play this looks more like townkats to me. As for tone I already talked about how I expect the capsrage to come from scumkats moreso than townkats but Tammy told me kats has been doing that as town lately so... :shrug:

Its the same feeling I had last time I played with kats. You could tie me down and try to force me to explain what makes kats town and I can't really do it based on his play. But I think despite that, this looks like townkats. And I'm not too comfortable with a lot of the names on the kats wagon either.

I'm not comfortable with the names on the wagon either but I so completely understand why they're voting it.

Do we not think someone who's apparently god's gift to scum can emulate his town game? Even I can do that and I'm apparently garbage, so.

In post 1223, Rhinox wrote:Does anyone think Cabd is town? Tier what is sketchy about kat's shift onto Cabd? A player getting wagoned within a day or 2 of deadline shifting to the other viable wagon is not really something I find odd or out of place at all.

I don't, but it feels too easy and he's no different to me than 7 other players in this game. I'm being skittish.

pedit @tier: i was the main poster in policy lynch

Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:45 am

@kats whenever he asked this: The only townreads I feel really good about right now are EddieFenix's slot and maybe shos. Iec and Rhinox are weaker townreads.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:47 am

perhaps i play it differently from you

ps hey guess who disappeared again that's right it's tbone

Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:51 am

I would have been willing to sheep mollie, but then she left me all alone

Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:53 am

It's true though, I know I'm a godawful scumhunter and should listen to my townreads more. I just wish I believed in said townreads more. I've gotten used to playing with certain people who I can easily be made to feel comfortable working with and would more happily sheep (hi ffery!) and I either get into a groove where I'm confident in my reads and then I play well or I don't do that and this happens.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:24 am

you seem to have missed the point

also he hasn't even said "yes" to that question

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:25 am

i feel like you've all forgotten that lynching townies is bad

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:34 am

not paying very much attention: a scumclaim since never

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:36 am

I see t-bone is actually scum though! and that makes me less sure about lynching katsuki

good news is LLD looks kinda town, though I don't fully understand what she's saying about shos (he would be dead by now/you'd be bussing him if scummates -- but you WERE attacking him were you not?)

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:37 am

I don't think there's time today but I feel me actually pushing t-bone coming on and i love it

there's a fire in here somewhere

Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:43 am

yeah...baiting...that describes what i've been doing really well...

i have a hard time believing you even wrote that

Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:06 am

In post 1264, Iecerint wrote:
In post 1248, Cephrir wrote:i feel like you've all forgotten that lynching townies is bad

It's not really that huge a deal on D1 in particular tbf.

Live a little.

That's what makes this silliness so silly.

lynching katsuki would be living a little though! cabd is the boring choice.

i'll fight with t-bone tomorrow it doesn't need to happen right now

i almost wish i still had my chandra avatar on though 'cuz i'm ready to start swingin

Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:19 am

that's the first mildly town ounding thing you've said all game! im still all set tho

Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:30 am

I legitimately haven't decided.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:31 am

I would love to lynch you but I'm fully aware that is completely not viable

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:01 am

rereading cabd.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:08 am

In post 40, Cabd wrote:Who is like MafiaSSK:

If its scum, you'll have to find out some other way. If it's town, you'll have to find out some other way. Prod dodges aren't very alignment relevant.

I mean, not interested in lynching ceph or notsci at this point in time, and actually I have reason to believe that notsci's at least partially legit.

Why did you think ns's hated claim was legit?

In post 310, Cabd wrote:Oh also forgot to mention this in my first posts but I have a role that I will likely never use barring consensus from people I have down as town, so I will be full claiming it when and if it becomes applicable.

What is this?

I'm still concerned by the really easy townread on me.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:13 am

Ah. Roger.

Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:03 pm

In post 1303, Katsuki wrote:
In post 1298, shos wrote:

lollercopterz
that actually makes lots of sense :/ more sense than anything you said all game hahahahah
just in case you ARE a vig - I urge you to not shoot me. Even if you shoot another townie, that's better than me.

anyone whos still townreading shos after this needs to uninstall.

it is a pretty bad post

but it's shos

In post 1306, notscience wrote:Bins I expect a read on me first thing when you get back or I lynch you tomorrow tia

why would you say this when you could just not say it

Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 1316, Bins wrote:
In post 1308, notscience wrote:>_>

i would have posted it in the pedit but that feels like cheating

and yeah kats i did kind of knw that but again school strike is literally causing every DL to be now..

stop i'm trying to actually type a post of content.

ceph, how do you feel after - it might be still happening i guess - your cabd reread?

i'm more ok with lynching him than he was before in part because of those threads that don't seem to lead anywhere

Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:05 pm

you can call me a town leader when i start leading something

which i will probably do at some point

i already know i will hate kats' iso too and don't want to suffer it again

Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:07 pm

i hate bins' reads but she seems town

we'll see

Wed Apr 15, 2015 1:17 pm

i will say im sad mollie didn't leave us with a post, that weirds me out slightly

i see no other reason to scumread her tho!

Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:00 pm

cabd that was obviously a joke now why aren't you answering my actual questions

i am holding a hammer it is getting heavy

Wed Apr 15, 2015 2:55 pm

The ATE is 2 real >:

Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:23 pm

In post 1366, Rhinox wrote:This game sucks

Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:01 pm

vote kats

Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:06 pm

i will switch if i remember to check the thread

Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:07 pm

but i like this better

Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:09 pm

we have less than an hour, if you're so hellbent on no lynching without claims then hammer yourself

Wed Apr 15, 2015 4:21 pm

i dont think it was reallly the ate that got me i think id have come to that decision anyway maybe

i wont be sad if someone hammers no matter who they do it to tbh

Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:11 pm

why can't i have nice townreads

i need a scumflip, and I think reck is a pretty good place to get one, but tbone will be making a strong case for that position also

Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:43 pm

I don't feel any particular reason to respond to rolefishing.

Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:05 pm

Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:08 pm

If you think refusing to comply with a weird softclaim from a scumread is scumclaiming you should probably try a different game this might not be for you

Alternatively you're just scum

Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:16 pm

I do?

Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:55 pm

Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:27 am

In post 1426, TierShift wrote:

In post 540, Cephrir wrote:Katsuki not re-evaluating in the light of much better posts does him no favors and his team can ATE all it wants. 536 was a great post and his total lack of comment on it or any recent shos posts just reinforces my whole picture.

How do you feel about rhinox not evaluating either?

Hmm. That is how I feel about it.

In post 1426, TierShift wrote:

In post 580, copper223 wrote:Anyway if you are coming off shos scum take a look at Rhinox, I need a shower.

Marking this as lead for NK

Copper wasn't in the slot though.

VOTE: Reck

Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:28 am

(I hate to admit it, because I really don't want this to be the case and it would make me quite sad, but T-bone's weird interaction with me today felt sort of town, even though I don't understand what fucking planet his logic is from)

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:01 am

A) Why the fuck would you claim this now

B) Why couldn't this role have been given to someone who would use it to investigate better targets, you've told me nothing I didn't know already :/

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:01 am

Oh someone else screwed up too then

GJ whoever investigated the obvious town slot? But why would that info go to T-bone of all people???

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:02 am

Why did you fish me given the result I know you got?

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:19 am

Okay but what if my response was to out what I did last night? Wouldn't that be counterproductive?

Thankfully I have a brain, but I don't get the impression you think terribly highly of me, so as far as you're concerned such a response could easily have been in the realm of things I might do.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:20 am

And it's not like there was a sweet reaction test to be had (since, obviously, I didn't target Bins last night).

Mon Apr 20, 2015 4:01 am

In post 1462, Rhinox wrote:So ceph has jumped up pretty high onto my list of desireable lynches for today.

You seemed to think I was town yesterday. It's a bit worrisome you wouldn't consider the mod could be screwing with us.

Fortunately we have the other setup to reflect on. It had a million investigative roles presumably intended to eventually cause the town to realize we should stop thinking about counterclaims. That much, perhaps, we can take as a lesson here.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:22 am

Dear notscience,

It would be nice if you could provide some reasoning alongside your votes. I think I've been pretty town this game, so I would love to know what makes you think otherwise. Please feel free to contact me at cephrir@town.net if you would like any further information about my qualifications. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Love,
Cephrir

Mon Apr 20, 2015 5:23 am

In post 1468, Rhinox wrote:There was something in the interaction between mollie and shos that I didn't want to talk about too openly on D1

it's day 2 now

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:16 am

it might get less empty when i feel like it

right now it's mostly "i've had this gut scumread the entire game"

but i could probably figure out why that is if i really felt the urge

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:32 am

T-Bone's play actually makes a shitload of sense as scum with me. Shame I'm not scum.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:41 am

if i was scum with cabd i'd have tried harder instead of dithering for like 48 hours

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:42 am

In post 1492, Iecerint wrote:Like, my impression is that you think that mainly because you already thought it, rather than that you are actually evaluating who is scum based on what is happening in the game.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDING

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:47 am

I'm not really doing setup spec though

I'm advocating not doing setup spec

Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:52 am

So basically the premise is that I'm retarded!

Man people have low opinions of me in this game. It's pretty tiring

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:03 am

what are the chances that the score exists as a distraction and scum can manipulate it however they want

Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:18 am

no, not quite, but people thought i was implying that (when i was actually just trying to prevent rolefishing in case it was important)

i'm now convinced it's not super important so i don't see harm in revealing i don't know anything about it

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:00 am

well yeah, because i'm not scummy

duhhhhh

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:03 am

Another difference: I've been asked for reasons and admitted to not having one.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:11 am

I mean

Sometimes both wagons are town and the scum don't really care

I could definitely see that being what happened too

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:30 am

I think Reck's scum

T-Bone is still an option but his handling of his role today really took the edge off my desire to steamroll him

Cabd could be scum still but I've never had strong feelings, he's just not here

Iec seems town, Eddie is town, you (shos) are town, Tier feels townish but I'm not very sure about that, same with Rhinox

LLD made me think she was town at some point but I have no idea why

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:37 am

They're probably split between the two wagons in the same sense that an arbitrary collection of six people probably contains one or more scum because math.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:41 am

your constant confbiasing in one direction or another irritates me

Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:48 am

In post 1531, T-Bone wrote:But that doesn't fit your narrative so you left it out of the post that you quoted, because that is the part that answers why I outted my information that I had. But you're not willing to highlight anything that doesn't fit your nonsensical 'Bone is scum' narrative.

Let's recap for the folks at home why Shos is an active detriment to finding scum. He based his reads on alignment INDEPENDENT reasoning, he accuses players of unsportsmanlike conduct, and he leaves stuff out that doesn't fit his narrative.

it doesn't sound like you think shos is actually scum

so uh

no?

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:02 pm

Why is this happening? Stop it.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:02 pm

Eddie, read the game and then play it.

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:22 pm

okay so like

why

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:25 pm

stop doing the ~thing~ thing please

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:25 pm

also please bear with me as i ask this very difficult question regarding your agreeing with this list

why

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:26 pm

guys i have a post restriction that forces me to ask people to explain why they have their opinions

it's called a town win condition

so please humor me i know i'm playing like a crazy person here

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:28 pm

i cannot access the hive mind where we store our thoughts

i am auxiliary to the mothership

so you'll have to use the thread

i'm so sorry if this is inconvenient!

Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:28 pm

is it weird that i'm put off by being <3'd

that has never happened to me before

Mon Apr 20, 2015 3:52 pm

i can't think of a reason she would be doing that but it sounds like she needs her ceph license revoked

Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:39 am

In post 1574, Iecerint wrote:
In post 1571, xRECKONERx wrote:EVERY POST CEPHRIR MAKES MAKES ME CRINGE

THEN IG O 'OFHUCK IM BAD AT GAMES' AND I THINK IM WRONG

THEN I FEEL CONVICTION TO PURSEU IT ANYAYWY

I relate, except that I stop at the second line usually.

Thanks guys

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:50 am

I do, but I don't feel like it right now.

Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:54 am

I'm not sure what we can do to fix that.

Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:55 am

that didn't seem particularly fake

why is shos scum

Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:31 am

Tue Apr 21, 2015 8:36 am

In post 1582, Rhinox wrote:I'm taking it with a huge grain of salt because shos.

Tue Apr 21, 2015 9:32 am

If you can't see a trajectory leading to that vote from me I suggest you may not have read the game.

Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:06 am

I was calling him scum quite a lot.

Thanks for that brilliant summary :/

Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:36 pm

it's kind of arrogant to ever think you can guess the team with no flips

eddie isn't scum

Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:30 pm

I've been deliberately obfuscating what I do or don't know and what I did or didn't do.

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:23 am

In post 1618, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 1605, T-Bone wrote:Also Eddie didn't answer my question so obvious confirm-bias must be scum.

Been busy with school and keep getting buried in fucking work. Don't worry though, I'll be back to bury you though.

V/LA til Saturday the 25th.

We don't notice the difference!

In post 1619, Iecerint wrote:
In post 1617, Cephrir wrote:I've been deliberately obfuscating what I do or don't know and what I did or didn't do.

Please only continue to do that if you are scum.

No.

In post 1620, Iecerint wrote:Like, T-Bone could have reasonably come out and said that you didn't target anyone and pushed a lynch on you purely on those grounds.

No he couldn't have. Just because someone tracked me doesn't mean I have to declare to all the world, yes I did or didn't do such and such a thing. I have been going out of my way to accomplish this. Since it's pretty fucking obvious at this point, no, I don't have a night action. Are you happy now?

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:28 am

Hey notscience, could you give me a quick summary of what mastin is saying about me? This is kind of important to me so please answer.

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:29 am

In fact if you could just transcribe all of her thoughts on the game that would be amazing.

Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:41 am

I've been getting occasional notes but for the most part I think my team have their hands full.

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:26 am

Being cagey isn't implying I have one.

But I guess that level of thinking before speaking is just beyond the level anyone around here can comprehend.

Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:26 am

And sure there was, it was practically out because everyone has been behaving in an antitown manner.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:03 am

Currently trying to decide whether I should sit on my ass and let Cabd get lynched for information or actually get my shit together. Honestly not sure which idea is better.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:49 am

Whelp, I read Reck's iso.

I hated the first half of it, but it got better. I still don't feel like I understand the reasons for a lot of his opinions, but it's better than I thought it was going to be. I started multiquoting shit, for no particular reason except to vomit words into the thread I will sum it up:

I was gonna talk about him harping on nothing but Cabd the whole game and how that's not really scumhunting because blah blah multiple scum, his stances on me and thinking he was pressuring me without actually doing anything but sticking his tongue out in my general direction wasn't super appealing, claiming he does things early on & proceeding to not do things all game.... but eeeeeh recent posts have felt kinda genuine and I don't know what else I really expect given the positions present.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:51 am

BUT, nah. I ain't about that life, later posts are genuine and convicted (is that a word when I do it like that) even though they don't contain too much, I'm much less interested than I was before.

Time to figure out if T-Bone's shit with me today sounds fakeable

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:55 am

In post 1406, T-Bone wrote:Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

What response did you expect to this?

Iecerint wrote:T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

I was more likely to get a response from Ceph than I was Eddie.[/quote]

In post 1612, T-Bone wrote:I don't believe either of them took action last night. So I mean it's up to everyone what they think about it. My original plan was just to say to remove them from the lynch pool because I know neither of them killed Bins. My working scumteam going into the night phase was Eddie/Ceph/LLD. Maybe I'm wrong on Ceph? There are occasional town vibes from him just get awash in his overall body of work.

Could you explain the flow of this paragraph to me? How do we get from "my ORIGINAL PLAN was X... and that is still sort of my plan but I feel mildly conflicted about it" ?

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:57 am

In post 1651, Cephrir wrote:Could you explain the flow of this paragraph to me? How do we get from "my ORIGINAL PLAN was X... and that is still sort of my plan but I feel mildly conflicted about it" ?

I just remembered I've asked someone this question before. I wish I remembered where, because I can't recall what the recipient's alignment was and there's absolutely no way I'll ever find it.

Couple more players to failmeta to assure myself there's nothing glaringly awful going on here.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:08 am

I've got a bit of a case of the wiggins about Iec and that makes me hesitant to join the Cabd wagon -- but anyway I need to do that little errand before I go anywhere.

UNVOTE:

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:00 am

Okay, notscience is town.

Glad we cleared that up!

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:01 am

If anything, too many of those had anything actually resembling reasons attached.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:03 am

Though I'm not scum, mastin's past experience with me... probably should in fact be leading her to that conclusion.

I was also expecting her to mention that my avatar change was a scum claim, but maybe she wasn't paying attention back then.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:40 am

Basically most of the reasons consisted of "because".

That means they are of the mastin variety!

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:45 am

I also find it very easy to picture her screaming about me being scum

Thu Apr 23, 2015 6:46 am

In post 1657, notscience wrote:iec is trust

also this phrase is pretty mastintown imo??

Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:43 am

I would love to see scum shos that was my next project

Thu Apr 23, 2015 7:45 am

In post 1665, shos wrote:I mean you'd think, if it was so intricate and elaborate, that it's true, but this is basically 'oh he is scum because he is scum and he is town because he is town and'

P.S. yeah that's basically what mastin sounds like, or at least it's all the visible substance behind her posts. She thinks harder than that, but is frustratingly bad at explaining it, so she often winds up emphasizing that "X just feels so town" in 5 different ways.

But once you get it, you can work with it.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:03 am

There could be some sort of big scary win-by attrition (Iec/Rhinox/Tier/maybe LLD) scumteam out there, but that's the only scenario that springs to mind where Cabd isn't scum.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:04 am

(Unless I'm sleeping on shos, which I still mean to investigate)

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:36 am

TBH why hasn't grey been keeping up? That seems like something he would do.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:39 am

I already fucked them up, you just continued my mistake

It's a chain of despair and tragedy

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:45 am

In post 1682, T-Bone wrote:
In post 1651, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1406, T-Bone wrote:Oh man Ceph whatcha do last night buddy?

What response did you expect to this?

Maybe you might have stumbled because you do have a scum ability and didn't use it or something. I had the tracker/cop gambit in mind when I posted it, going for a little misdirection to try and slip you up.

I can surmise what you mean by that gambit. I'm not sure it works when it's not actually a gambit though. I don't know how that could have hypothetically messed me up, but eeeeeh.

In post 1682, T-Bone wrote:
Cephrawr wrote:
T-Bone wrote:
Iecerint wrote:T-Bone, if you had negative results on both Eddie and Cephrir, why did you only reach out to Cephrir?

I was more likely to get a response from Ceph than I was Eddie.

Because both wouldn't realisitcally work "hey Ceph I saw what you did now slip up!" *Ceph doesn't* ... "Hey Eddie I saw what you did now slip up" that progression is even more ridiculous than just picking one.

You could've pretended you were reaction testing me or something? Eh. I'm not sure if this is just thoughtless play or me expecting too much or there in fact not really being a great choice for handling that.

Big T wrote:
Cephrawr wrote:
In post 1612, T-Bone wrote:I don't believe either of them took action last night. So I mean it's up to everyone what they think about it. My original plan was just to say to remove them from the lynch pool because I know neither of them killed Bins. My working scumteam going into the night phase was Eddie/Ceph/LLD. Maybe I'm wrong on Ceph? There are occasional town vibes from him just get awash in his overall body of work.

Could you explain the flow of this paragraph to me? How do we get from "my ORIGINAL PLAN was X... and that is still sort of my plan but I feel mildly conflicted about it" ?

You're not being belligerently scummy when I am calling you scum, we're not really arguing about it and I don't know how to handle it.

Indeed not, I'm just trying to figure out if you're town right now. There was a question here thoughhhh

Thu Apr 23, 2015 8:45 am

I'm the hero this quote wall needs.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:04 am

2. I mean you could've done that in the first place? But eh yeah you pretty much botched it every which way so like whatever.

3. It sounded like you were going to say things had changed more than they have. But if I squint a little bit I can see something resembling a train of thought there. And sorry it's just the town role PM it makes me sound town sometimes

I kinda wish I didn't have it!

Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:23 am

I was just checking my role PM to see if my role worked in a certain way or not, and I noticed that I actually do have a night action. I thought my ability was a day action.

Whenever I full claim I will be able to explain why I might have thought this.

Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:29 am

Hi hi give us some direction please.

Cabd, btw, could you talk about the wording of your ability? It may be very mildly relevant to my interests

Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:37 am

You should read the game! It needs life and energy and people who actually care!

Thu Apr 23, 2015 11:10 am

In post 1703, Rhinox wrote:Tammy told me that since bins and NS are friends and bins suspected NS when she replaced in and Tammy could see NS wanting to kill bins as scum.

This is a little bit of a thing. I don't know why else Bins died unless there's some sort of conspiracy to kill my townreads.

Tell me about your read on Cabd. Stop dodging the question. Yesterday you said he was scum and didn't care which of him or kats was lynched. Then you preferred kats and never voted Cabd and seemed dejected when he might get lynched. Then today you said Cabd is just lynch fodder who is only maybe scum for being the counterwagon to kats. Now you're voting him for pressure. You're all over the place. What do you really think about Cabd? You're all "WHY AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO'S ACTIVE??" but you're all fluff and you don't want to engage on the tough questions or commit to anything.[/quote]
I feel like this was not fully addressed, shos.

In post 1704, T-Bone wrote:I care Ceph, am I not good enough for you?

Nope <3

In post 1706, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Except I posted on the last page, nimrod.

Do you read games?

WHy didn't you care about being insulted in that post? :/

In post 1712, Iecerint wrote:
Unvote; Vote: shos

L-2

Who are you? Where is "Cabd is the only acceptable lynch ever"-rint? Why are you leaving him even though he is a viable wagon and I am showing signs of moving there?

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:15 pm

In post 1722, shos wrote:I don't care about insults, I'm a 90% psychopath, you can literally come here and take off your pants and tell me to suck you and I'll just go "meh, too small" and completely ignore you
~
Ceph, what IS your read on tboner?
~
Let's go through it sentence by sentence and then tell me what you want to know. (btw, you truly suck in quoting)

-that wasn't directed at you

-not sure anymore, he might be town

-you kinda got better in this post

Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:18 pm

VOTE: Cabd

L-2

Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:49 pm

Meh, read the rest and come talk to me

Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:12 am

Oh hey yeah Tammy is on your team.

If anything I'm surprised she isn't totally flipping her shit!

Fri Apr 24, 2015 2:34 am

About me, just for existing

but I guess it's different when she's not actually in the game.

I looked for recent scum games from shos... the only remotely real one was just awful and he did nothing that looked slightly town but also wasn't really keeping up with the game so meh. I didn't find any smoking guns.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:46 am

I'm going to have limited access for a while (April 25th - May 3rd).

I will probably still be posting.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:47 am

The rage is nice and all, but if you could do something else occasionally, that would be great.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:52 am

In post 1751, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Come on, talk to me Wisdom (irony in the very player name!). Tell me what happens when Cabd flips town, because he's obvious town. Will you give me your vote to use wherever I want? Will you lynch Shos?

Or will you cry like a little bitch, and just keep steamrolling down the "path to terrible reads" and lose this game for town with your awful as fuck play.

Tell me!

This seems pretty unnecessary.

Cabd isn't obvious town. He's about the least obvious town of all time. Would you care to explain why you think this? I'm beginning to take issue with your confidence levels.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:55 am

Stop being so town Wisdom I want my reads to be edgy

Fri Apr 24, 2015 10:08 am

In post 1762, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:First off, I don't normally explain townreads because it's anti-town.

Your philosophy is bad and you should feel bad but I'll stop waltzing into this interaction now (maybe)

Fri Apr 24, 2015 12:58 pm

This interaction is really interesting. I want so badly to townread LLD here but I can't quite convince myself it's a good idea.

Cabd is pretty devious -- underestimate him at your peril.

BTW, does anyone actually think Tiershift is town?

Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:00 pm

I am perfectly aware that I keep saying things that will look terrible if Cabd flips scum, in case anyone was wondering.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:15 pm

Nah man sorry

My only scumbuddies are my teammates

Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:16 pm

It certainly does read like whiteknighting. I don't know if it actually is, though.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:17 pm

Also, I hard defend my townreads as town -- I just can usually explain them better than this

Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:21 pm

I mean that they're the only ones I share a PT with, dingus

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:09 pm

In post 1815, T-Bone wrote:Yes with LLD's scumflip I can se- oh wait, almost got me there.

It'd be one thing if we've flipped LLD (which I'm not opposed to doing), but you're clearly just doing it to fit your LLDscum narrative with no progression from Cabd's slot.

Preedit: Or your both scum...

You're a narrative.

They aren't both scum. If I'm going to consider the possibility you aren't scum I'd much prefer you remove your head from your ass.

In post 1816, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Actually, I have to ask my team if you're scum or not. I keep wanting to just declare a 1v1 on you, out of rage, but I need to have a level head and remind myself I have a bit of a gut town read on you.

So I dunno.

In post 1825, T-Bone wrote:It's hard, because I think Shos needs to be dealt with sooner rather than later, plus I'm scumreading both your slots (and you towned it up until the readflip on Cabd)

That slot has been town the whole fucking game.

In post 1826, Wisdom wrote:shos is town, so am I. You don't need to worry about either.

LLD/Ceph + {Tier/Reck} should be it.

I think you're getting there!

In post 1836, shos wrote:he lurked for dunno how long, 4 days if memory serves right, and then when someone called him scum he posted WITHIN FIVE MINUTES, and only responded to that specific post. ignored the rest of the game. coincidence? nay.

Are you just pissing him off on purpose with this or what?

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:10 pm

The Day 1 wagons make a looooot of sense as both on town :/

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:14 pm

Wisdom.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:14 pm

I'm still pretty sure shos is town though!

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:16 pm

My LLD read is all over the place right now. I now find myself half wanting to vote it in spite of what I said like one page ago.

But even if I did want to lynch her for sure my vote would probably send Wisdom into a paranoid spiral or something. Or he'd say I was bussing, which would irritate me.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:24 pm

Oh man, I should start doing the cheeky scumbutt thing! I've been waiting for a chance to do that where I wasn't actually scum!

Fri Apr 24, 2015 3:25 pm

Man Wisdom, it's a shame no one will listen to your amazing reads after I shoot you tonight!

Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:53 pm

I need to figure out whether bussing is optimal here.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:58 pm

Oh, okay, thanks for the tip. I think I'll do that, then. I just hope the town doesn't figure out what I'm up to.

Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:16 pm

They'll never see the shift in behavior, then!

Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:27 am

The cabd wagon got points, fyi. Does that mean anything? Eh. Iec may have it though.

shos; there are reasons to suspect t bone. The ones you are giving are not those reasons. You just spent an entire wall post harping on the fact that he Beetlejuiced a couple times.

Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:28 am

Also the shos wagon list the most points

Sun Apr 26, 2015 4:43 pm

She didn't say anything :/

Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:42 am

Oh sure now that I'm not here the game is worth paying attention to D:

Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:37 am

In post 2043, Wisdom wrote:Reck denying he was linking them shows he just doesn't remember doing it and points to town

I was with you until the last word of this post!

Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:48 am

In post 2058, Wisdom wrote:so you're saying scum forget more than town?

That would be my suspicion, though it could certainly also just vary by person and not actually matter. I forget things I've said pretty routinely.

Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:54 am

I would really like to hear from grey before we go lynching someone else. I can probably case tbone with relative ease but I don't know how much I'd believe on it at this point.

Mon Apr 27, 2015 8:55 am

I clearly stopped wanting to actively lynch you earlier today reck

I'm ambivalent now

Fri May 01, 2015 10:15 am

I would very much appreciate no one being lynched yet.

Sun May 03, 2015 5:30 pm

this is a post

ill be back tomorrow

Mon May 04, 2015 12:38 pm

technically present. real busy day at work. may start catching up tonight, not sure. if i don't get my shit together soon, brian is following the game and has opinions i need to relay and may end up taking over

Mon May 04, 2015 12:50 pm

nope gotta paraphrase!

Mon May 04, 2015 1:01 pm

I didn't actually check, that was just my understanding of the rules.

It seems unsporting anyway.

Mon May 04, 2015 3:08 pm

I'm preparing for a big post? I'm not even reading the thread yet o.o

Mon May 04, 2015 3:57 pm

I guess so. They may not make much sense.

Mon May 04, 2015 4:23 pm

Dear Brian,

I'm sorry for butchering your thoughts beyond recognition.

Love,
Ceph

Early on in the read he's got some townreads on my biggest townreads (ns for actually scumhunting evidently, wisdom). He's been consistently scumreading shos moooost of the read read, which I can sympathize with even though I don't know if I agree.

He has a lot of problems with Reck. He doesn't think he should get to call a me/Cabd scumteam and continue to unabashedly scumread me today without taking a step back (though he later notes 2056 and . He's spending a bit of time here trying to fit someone into a shos/Reck scumteam and coming up empty. He really hated shos' 1508 (the complaint is "why would they be bussing -- as opposed to lynching katsuki, which obviously would not have been hard)

We would like mutual reads from shos and Reck, though I imagine I've made that pointless by posting this with no tact. Still, please do that.

He points out that Rhinox was suspicious of shos and is dead.

We progress to less certainty of townread on notscience because of other players being town who were previously nuller. I can point you to posts he liked and try to offer reasons, but that seems a bit pointless right now.

Brian would like to know how factional kills work with grey's night action. He neglected to tell me what that action is so I'm trying to regurgitate

[later note: I guess Iec asked this -- did we get an answer?]

He was starting to put T-Bone in his scumteam but feels as of Iec 2128 that his thoughts and actions at least at that point (day 2 still) make sense

Quick note on shos: still seems like scum because his reasoning tends to suck, and his reads never change "in the scummy confbiasing way"

As of D3, T-Bone can die both for role related reasons and not. 2544 seems like a slam dunk (reading it, I agree).

Also as of D3, he is waffling again on both reck and shos.

mastin needs to give us updated reads.

[aggravation with Wisdom for ignoring his townreads' opinions and attacking me rather than shos despite t-bone's claimed actions on me making me a worse lynch than shos when apparently me being shos' scumbuddy is part of the problem with me; noting reck failing to get on board with shos and instead happily voting everywhere else]

Ultimately he's settled back on shos/reck scum with tier as the most likely third but pretty unsure about that.

Mon May 04, 2015 4:24 pm

In post 3016, Iecerint wrote:The longer there is a delay, the harder it will be to trust that they are the actual labor of a 3rd party.

oh come on i'm clearly not reading the thread.

Mon May 04, 2015 4:50 pm

In post 3019, Iecerint wrote:Shos is voting T-Bone. This is confusing because Notscience and Shos's votes are displaying in opposite ways this phase.

For what it's worth I did this, and yes, it is utterly pointless as far as I am aware.

Mon May 04, 2015 5:33 pm

Yeah so that's all you get today. Will I do more tomorrow? WhoOOooOoo knoOOooOOOOoOows?!?!?

Tue May 05, 2015 2:59 am

Things I neglected to include before:

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here
-notty is also town for his understated conflict with mastin re: shos
-Grey's night action makes sense with what he was doing yesterday & his frustration with getting an innocent reads well

I might start reading now?

Tue May 05, 2015 3:25 am

In post 2173, T-Bone wrote:
In post 2171, Iecerint wrote:
In post 2165, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2161, Iecerint wrote:Just reread the start of D2, because you clearly missed the main important event today.

Care to summarize?

The posts that led Shos to ask me to remind him about the start of D2 already WERE a summary. Just read my "today" iso and you'll get it.

Basically T-Bone claimed null-track on Cephrir and Eddie=Wisdom in a way that implied otherwise on Cephrir at first, but was not inconsistent with null-tracks. There's slight weirdness on treating Cephrir and Eddie asymmetrically given identical results, but he justified it by Cephrir's higher activity level.

I got this track as the result of another players ability. I did not track Eddie/Wisdom, that was a different action.

What? I hope this gets cleared up. Why wouldn't you just fucking say this?

I am intrinsically wary of greyice because I believe he could easily fake an aggressive hypertown persona, but man, he's so town right now and he's only been in the game for a page. (I am on page 87)

Tue May 05, 2015 4:58 am

In post 2208, T-Bone wrote:You're right Wis, because every time I read Shos I remember that he accused me of faking my v/la and low activity for an advantage and purposely trying to get Copper modkilled, both under handed tactics that have no business on this site, and using those accusations to justify a scumread. So yeah I'm pretty pissed.

This reads like something scum would get upset about.

In post 2236, Iecerint wrote:
In post 2233, shos wrote:Anyway. Tbone claimed that they went nowhere. From this we got they have no PR, ergo they are town, because PRless scum wouldmake the kill. But roleblock doesnt mean anything at all. That is kinda misleading, or rather, a fakeclaim changed in the middle?

I personally inferred track and made that conclusion; he corrected me multiple times to indicate that it was actually just that that person hadn't made the kill, and I kept re-explaining.

So he tried to clear up my confusion on that point, consistent with always having something other than "tracker" in his head.

Yeah, I guess.

In post 2268, TierShift wrote:likely. But I can see an entire scumteam missing the claim, thinking it was not a truthful claim or believing it was not a complete claim.

I can too. I also missed it FWIW.

In post 2375, Iecerint wrote:I am totally not sure Cephrir is town. He's certain given no reason for anyone to think it.

I just like to err on the side of assuming night actions gave useful information when I'm not sure.

You really seem to like throwing mud at me and I'm starting to dislike it.

In post 2404, Wisdom wrote:ok. LLD is town because of her replace out which you apparently weren't even aware of. Stop voting her.

You are not very good at reasons.

In post 2418, GreyICE wrote:Are we massclaiming?

This is a thing that someone who really wants to claim says, and that bleeds through. However - Grey, why did you want to claim so badly today?

In post 2423, GreyICE wrote:
In post 2408, notscience wrote:I have no idae how it even happened, frankly.

In post 2392, Magua wrote:
Vote Count 2.26 - Final

Cabd (6): xRECKONERx,
notscience,
Cephrir, Iecerint, GreyICE, shos

Whyyyyyy are you town....

*headdesk*

Okay, tell Mastin to go eat a Pine then get back here with some real reads if you're going to do this stuff.

As softs go, this isn't very soft, so see last comment.

In post 2442, Wisdom wrote:shos is town, tbone is scum, so is Reck.

Ceph is scum, see how everyone is scumreading him yet avoids voting him like the plague. He has also done nothing town, his posts look townish on the surface but that's all. He has done absolutely nothing.

If by everyone you mean mostly Reck, who is probably scum, like yeah sure. If you want to assume my scumbuddy Reck is that stupid, be my guest, but it's not particularly fair to him. He could easily have voted hypothetical scumbuddy me yesterday without putting me in any danger.

In post 2448, T-Bone wrote:For those playing at home I blocked Rhinox. Who is dead. Hooray for me. I picked him because he has been an under the radar player in my opinion and would be perfect to be the one committing the scumkills if town.

Your night action choices defy sense, logic and also literally everything ever.

In post 2480, T-Bone wrote:Wait for other players so they can drown out the fact that Grey outted himself as scum. Got it.

I find it very difficult to believe you could possibly think this is something that's actually happening.

Tue May 05, 2015 4:59 am

Holy shit, people actually think I made that post up?

You're dumb. Obviously, even if I am scum, those were not muy words, there is zero reason to think that. I've heard of confbias but that is ridiculous.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:01 am

In post 3029, Cephrir wrote:Things I neglected to include before:

-It's weird that Wis is attacking me while I'm not here rather than his scumread that is actually here
-notty is also town for his understated conflict with mastin re: shos
-Grey's night action makes sense with what he was doing yesterday & his frustration with getting an innocent reads well

I might start reading now?

Like, please, someone tell me why I would make up waking up today to posts from Brian saying "hey you forgot this."

Tue May 05, 2015 5:01 am

I suppose I made up things like "[note from later]" too

Get fucking real.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:37 am

In post 2506, Wisdom wrote:And you proved it by refusing to lynching Ceph. Now it's time to refuse to lynch Tbone, am I right?

prove
[proov]
verb (used with object), proved, proved or proven, proving.
1.
to establish the truth or genuineness of, as by evidence or argument:
to prove one's claim.
2.
Law. to establish the authenticity or validity of (a will); probate.
3.
to give demonstration of by action.
4.
to subject to a test, experiment, comparison, analysis, or the like, to determine quality, amount, acceptability, characteristics, etc.:
to prove ore.
5.
to show (oneself) to have the character or ability expected of one, especially through one's actions.
6.
Mathematics. to verify the correctness or validity of by mathematical demonstration or arithmetical proof.
7.
Also, proof. Printing. to take a trial impression of (type, a cut, etc.).

In post 2525, Wisdom wrote:The only thing I hate about myself is I just can't shut up when I have caught scum. I feel like scum are going to convince town with their AtE and I just have to keep replying to shut that down, but most times it just either makes my arguments feel less strong or makes caught scum feel town. Grey was right that I just have to shut up and not argue with scum.

So I take it you have never, ever been wrong before. Wow, it's going to be so weird for you when you find out you are! Maybe you can write a book about your experiences.

In post 2529, T-Bone wrote:

xRECKONERx wrote:I assumed he's claiming cop but he never actually said what he was did he.

He did. I'll go dig up the post, because I think it's a safeclaim and I would like some opinions on it.

__________

I should never have stopped listening to my desire to ragestompdestroy you day 1. Then I would be my best self still instead of an apathetic husk!

In post 2567, Wisdom wrote:VOTE: Ceph

I agree with Tier that this feels too easy. I want to lynch Ceph or Reck first. According to what we discussed yesterday, Tbone scum means Reck scum, but not vice versa, meaning if Tbone somehow flips town Reck can still be scum, but if Reck flips town then Tbone is also town. This makes Reck a better lynch than Tbone.

"X is definitely 100% certain!"
"Except if it's not lol this feels too easy even though I was just bitching about no one listening to me!"

In post 2571, Wisdom wrote:Also I'm trying to pin nothing. It's a fact that Tbone can only be scum if you are scum and told him i have a day action.

fact
[fakt]
noun
1.
something that actually exists; reality; truth:
Your fears have no basis in fact.
2.
something known to exist or to have happened:
Space travel is now a fact.
3.
a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true:
Scientists gather facts about plant growth.
4.
something said to be true or supposed to have happened:
The facts given by the witness are highly questionable.
5.
Law.. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, as distinguished from its legal effect or consequence.

In post 2602, T-Bone wrote:Also, I blocked Grey so how did he get a night 1 result anyway?

In post 2605, T-Bone wrote:
In post 2603, Wisdom wrote:what? you said you blocked eddie

Goddammit, I need to pay attention to what I'm saying.

In post 2606, T-Bone wrote:You said supposedly targeted and my mind went to 'he couldn't'.

Nope, that's not even an attempt at explaining yourself. WTF are 2605 and 2606, because they look like a scumclaim and a non-sequitur respectively.

[checking current vc]

Tue May 05, 2015 5:37 am

I see that there are 3 votes on T-Bone, so I am going to wait on voting him until I catch up so he can't self hammer and stop my catchup.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:41 am

Yes. Really.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:58 am

end of page 111

In post 2721, Wisdom wrote:Speaking of the amnesiac tracker, where is his result today?

Good question. Anyone?

In post 2750, Wisdom wrote:tbone is probably town

Now care to explain why ns is still in your "scum block" after grey cleared him?

how

he's claiming scum

2505 is an admission of guilt, if it's not someone needs to explain how it's not to me

In post 2765, shos wrote:
In post 2728, Iecerint wrote:
In post 2727, T-Bone wrote:I don't say cleared as an absolute, I say kind of clear because of the dichotomy of none nightactioned scum doing night kills. This point is rendered moot if scum has a strongman or ninja though, for example. I only know what I did and what maybe the result of those actions were. Heck, maybe I was roleblocked on night 1. I don't think I'd receive notification of it.

I definitely agree that your reporting of the N1 content was consistent with you being town. That's why I thought you were town yesterday.

The issue becomes that if you're scum, then you did whatever you did for a reason.

so work with me here a sec.
if you were scum and got a track result. you have two options:
1 - you don't share it - and nothing happens until tracker dies/claims.
2 - you claim it. it does NOT clear anyone truly, and you get the cred for having told the town about it.

-tracker claims
-you get lynched

nah there's no choice here

In post 2769, shos wrote:can we use the info of who Rhinox targetted..?

If anyone got a message indicating Rhinox targeted them, please out it.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:58 am

In post 3056, xRECKONERx wrote:is that something you're legitimately concerned about?

you're concerned about scum self-hammering and then killing you tonight

No, not killing me tonight, I just want to finish it right now

Tue May 05, 2015 6:19 am

In post 2909, Iecerint wrote:You know what I meant. <_<

It's 100% true that exactly one of Grey and T-Bone is scum, because the tracker is real and town, and that's too much power alongside a doctor (Rhinox).

The tracker being real and town is the obvious assumption implicit in all my recent posts. This is why it is bizarre for Wisdom not to have understood the motivation for my perspective.

I say exactly one because the double-bus is completely unnecessary, and it's too little town power without both of them.

Pedit: Oh, jesus.

Pls don't do setup spec, it's a bad drug

In post 2979, Iecerint wrote:
In post 2974, xRECKONERx wrote:lmao iece's fake anger at me not posting for literally only 7 hours is fucking hysterical

iece is scum as fuck

I was annoyed because you were on the site when I posted that, and I think you're aware that I was aware, so I am pretty skeptical that you would fail to understand why I might be annoyed.

0/10

In post 3020, Iecerint wrote:Shos has been really amiable and consensus-focused in his approach to this game so far I think. It's not inconsistent with scumplay with outcomes so far being what they are, but I don't think he's scum with T-Bone. For example, Wisdom has given him credible opportunities to change his vote to you while not alienating Shos as dramatically as some other players, but he hasn't changed his vote.

In post 3061, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3059, Cephrir wrote:how

he's claiming scum

2505 is an admission of guilt, if it's not someone needs to explain how it's not to me

2505 is a post of mine, did you mean some other post?

*2605

Tue May 05, 2015 6:19 am

In post 3063, xRECKONERx wrote:in which case... T-Bone does that to stop him from sharing his thoughts, then he would have to be shot?

again, i'm just here and present and thinking about the game right now and wanted to finish reading, which I have now done. Prepare for a stackofwaffles readlist.

Tue May 05, 2015 6:29 am

Confidentish town
GreyICE (replaces Lady Lambdadelta) || WKing me as scum here does not seem necessary. Claim is town. Play is town. I'm happy to just lose if this is scum.

notscience || was townreading anyway; now has sweet result on him. Is it possible these two are scum together, yeah maybe, that would totally explain why my reads all feel like literal garbage, but I'm not planning to actually consider that notion in a way that could ever result in me acting on it.

Waffles
Wisdom (replaces EddieFenix who replaces pirate mollie who replaces Who) || probably town for predecessors. Could potentially be scum, but I feel like we're just going to lose if that is the case. Granted, we probably will anyway because he is so loudly incorrect.

Iecerint || Iec feels a bit voice of reason ish most of the time, and he posts a lot but without feeling to me like he is actually doing anything. Both Iec and TierShift have felt peripheral to the game the whole time it's been going on, they don't really seem to me to attack or defend or ever be noticed, and as a result I have a gut feeling that at least one of them is scum.

shos || I feel worse about shos than I did before, partially because Brian dislikes him and I am finding my past townread difficult to justify now. He posts town sounding things but maybe I shouldn't give him so much benefit of the doubt when his thought processes seem so consistently perpendicular to what I think of as how reasons work.

TierShift || See Iec.

Scum, I guess :/

xRECKONERx || I have no reason to think this slot is town and never have.

T-Bone || Seems pretty much like scum. I have cold feet right now for obvious reasons, which is to say I am obviously getting lynched tomorrow if we fuck up today and that means I'm going to be terrified of every possible lynch, but I do not actually have a single reason not to lynch T-Bone. He seems to have claimed scum. Also, a vanilla roleblocker? :s

Tue May 05, 2015 6:30 am

In post 3068, Wisdom wrote:
In post 2605, T-Bone wrote:
In post 2603, Wisdom wrote:what? you said you blocked eddie

Goddammit, I need to pay attention to what I'm saying.

This is not admission to guilt. Just why would scum admit they screwed up?

Then I don't understand what it's supposed to say. He claimed he blocked you night 1, then he says he blocked someone else night 1, and all that post says is "I fucked up," not how on earth that fuck up is even possible.

Tue May 05, 2015 6:30 am

In post 3070, shos wrote:Wisdom, your confbias is extremely extreme. like really.

Ceph's posts made me feel sure about my T-bone read again and the crumbs he found to Gray's claim makes me super sure about my gray townread.

Those aren't crumbs, they're just a trajectory.

Tue May 05, 2015 6:35 am

Are we sure we shouldn't be massclaiming today?

Tue May 05, 2015 6:39 am

Hence the waffles. I can see any of those players being scum. I function better with a scum flip to work with tbh.

Tue May 05, 2015 7:40 am

To explicitly full claim, because I think we should probably do that, I am a miller vote switcher. I can switch two players' control of their votes. Why? I don't know. I thought maybe there was some sort of double vote power somewhere.

My nonstandard miller thing basically says I come up whatever the worse result is to everything. I think X/Not X investigations may have been mentioned. Not looking at it atm.

On Night 1, I did nothing because I thought my ability was a day action (as this would make it not worthless). If I had realized it was a night action, I still might not have used it, because it is stupid.
On night 2, I swapped shos with notscience. I chose them because at that point, not caught up, I felt both of them were town (I didn't want to accidentally give a double vote to scum or something) and also low impact/unlikely to be given any vote power that might exist. I almost chose not to submit anything, but I figured there was no reason not to have something to show since I was likely to have to claim today. I will probably do nothing for the rest of the game unless it becomes apparent that my ability is not useless.

Tue May 05, 2015 9:52 am

In post 3084, xRECKONERx wrote:ceph what's your flavor name

when the mod messes up the votecount

Tue May 05, 2015 11:18 am

Actually checking my role PM -- it's just to X/Not X investigations.

So for instance I would return guilty to FBI Agents.

Tue May 05, 2015 11:23 am

Thank you for explaining your thought process! That is so helpful!

Tue May 05, 2015 12:32 pm

In post 3093, shos wrote:well, you started out by claiming to be all-worst result, and then took it back immediately when prompted? we still don't know if exists/who a tracker. Also, how does the flavor fit with the miller thing? when the mod fucks up the VC explains the vote switch, but not the miller.

That's how I remembered it. I didn't have any particular reason to care what kind of miller I am after my first post and forgot. I have no particular scum motivation for forgetting, so it's quite apparent my not feeling like rereading my role PM at that moment is not alignment indicative.

In post 3095, shos wrote:At first you claim non-standard miller.
Then you say you return the worst result to everything.
Then, when prompted, you take that back, saying it's just X/Not X.

so what's non-standard? and how does this fit flavor?

As best I am aware regular millers just turn up guilty to regular cops/"appear as mafia to investigation" etc. I would also turn up guilty to some non standard roles. Like I dunno, probably if there was some stupid role like a fairy/not fairy cop I would give them a strange result.

In post 3097, shos wrote:
In post 29, Cephrir wrote:

In post 27, notscience wrote:
In post 7, Cephrir wrote:I am a miller.

VOTE: LLD

One scum down.

Are you conditional

No. I do have non-standard wording.
could you elaborate on the "non standardness" of the wording of X/not X?

I already did

In post 3105, Wisdom wrote:So what do you guys think of reck spamming in favor of massclaim yet now wanting to delay it?

I wish he would stop being a cagey fuck and answer the question, but there could be a legitimate reason I guess... just because I can't think of it doesn't mean it's fake

In post 3106, Iecerint wrote:I can't think of a reason that could motivate his change, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

The obvious event preceding it was Cephrir's claim, implying that Cephrir's claim had some such effect on his attitude, but if it's just that Reck interacts with Cephrir's ability, you'd think he'd want to claim now to ensure that Cephrir would use his ability in a certain way, since it's a night action.

I have no particular issue with massclaim at this point, but I'm fine with delaying it and assessing whether the pattern of asking for it and asking for it to be delayed end up making sense.

I would think he'd then be encouraging me not to do nothing tonight.

Tue May 05, 2015 12:32 pm

saw new posts. posted anyway. mhm.

Tue May 05, 2015 12:34 pm

Well, he can't really be stalling to invent a fakeclaim if he's crumbed it.

Also I tend to think he'd be bright enough to just not post if that was the case.

Tue May 05, 2015 12:37 pm

I don't know if you know this, Wisdom, but playing with you is kind of frustrating.

Tue May 05, 2015 12:56 pm

I get that.

I just hate it.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:15 pm

It's a little bit different when you change your mind about what night action you took.

pedit: smd points controller

Tue May 05, 2015 1:17 pm

he's listing what the points controller was saying grey

Tue May 05, 2015 1:20 pm

it's clearly reck

Tue May 05, 2015 1:24 pm

In post 3145, GreyICE wrote:Doesn't Reck have -1 million? He's like top of Iecerint's list. Not that that means anything, if town's doing it, they should just out and say who they think is scum. What the mysterious "point controller" thinks is total bullshit and I can't bring myself to care.

Where is my T-Boner wagon? We have spent over a week trying to lynch the claimed scum roleblocker and have three fucking votes. Meanwhile the claimed scum godfather is acting like a clown and distracting everyone.

I'm functionally on it, I just don't want to end the day right now.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:32 pm

What happens if he's town is that you vote me tomorrow and we lose.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:36 pm

If T-Bone is scum, he should be getting bussed. He has claimed scum.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:40 pm

How does one claim two different night actions on the same night and not be scum?

Tue May 05, 2015 1:47 pm

In post 3169, Wisdom wrote:It was like

- grey claims he did x N1
- tbone thinks "but wtf, i blocked grey N1"
- tbone posts it as it comes to mind
- i point out he actually blocked eddie
- tbone realizes "oh yeah, wtf am i saying? i blocked eddie, not grey"

he didn't put it as a case of mistaken identity, though... he could have said "I got confused" but instead he said "I fucked up"

Tue May 05, 2015 1:48 pm

In post 3172, Wisdom wrote:
In post 3168, GreyICE wrote:I'm sure if you got Cephrir to L-1 there'd be a few people who would "reconsider" their vote. Then tomorrow they could always go "Oh yeah, I wanted T-Bone anyway" and run the fastbus over him.

But that's the point, I've been offering them the Ceph way all day and nobody's following. Well, Reck did, but nobody else. What does that mean?

By this logic I guess lynching scum is impossible.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:54 pm

In post 3175, Wisdom wrote:no he said "I need to pay more attention to what I'm saying"

but even so, I still don't understand why you expect scum to say. Was it really that hard to shrug it off as confusion?

This sounds to me like something scum giving up would say :/

Tue May 05, 2015 1:56 pm

Because ragequit? He's clearly an angsty player, look at any of his posts. And he's looked pretty fucked all day anyway.

Tue May 05, 2015 1:58 pm

He does have roughly one thing going for him -- since no one has claimed to have gotten a message about Rhinox, he may well have been roleblocked, and scum wouldn't be likely to block and kill the same guy. But Rhinox could have protected scum.

Tue May 05, 2015 3:29 pm

That sure does sound like something mastin would say.

It might even be a good idea, but I don't even know man.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:10 pm

I am not sure I quite get it.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:10 pm

I don't think there is much chance of a shos/T-Bone scumteam.

Tue May 05, 2015 5:12 pm

It's pretty weird that that comment happened and then got left hanging, but I don't think I'm getting from point A to point B here. Going to bed now, hopefully there will be posts that make sense to me when I wake up.