Twin Trap (Game Over) [TM2015]

Quilford · Wed May 06, 2015 2:17 pm

I will murder you xo

Quilford · Thu May 07, 2015 2:06 am

Quilford · Thu May 07, 2015 2:11 am

Hey ETL, is there anything at all that I've done that you consider to be townie? Just curious.

Quilford · Thu May 07, 2015 3:14 am

OK cool and how about BB, what's your read there?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:03 am

In post 1712, BBmolla wrote:
In post 1648, Quilford wrote:Here's a question. Back when you were townreading everyone, why were you townreading me?

Your carefree nature

mmm.

Mina wrote:
In post 1681, Quilford wrote:And also, they're weirdly self-contradictory?

Molla says that as scum he would've jumped straight into the next mislynch, and not sat around and twiddled his thumbs. But in fact that's
exactly what he did
, voting for me after just 30 hours in the day on a case you yourself thought was opportunistic-looking and exemplified his scum meta??

But that was D3, not the day after a mislynch. And I do think scum are less likely to fake those kinds of subtle behavioural tells in their overall pattern of behaviour. They concentrate more on making individual posts look townie.

(For Patrick's benefit, I'll say Regfan told me he thought some of JF's comments re: Molla didn't look like partners at all, and he's leaning toward ETL because of her flip-flop on serra, but I don't have more details because of timezones and my being at work or out all the time these past couple of weeks.)

Aaaargh that's true, I got my days muddled up. Boo and I was all ready to be like SEE MINA YOURE WRONG, HAH

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:06 am

Ooooh, am I in the position of choosing between ETL and BB at the moment? Luscious.

by which i mean, aw hell no

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:09 am

In post 1710, Mina wrote:(By which I mean, I'll elaborate when I know which posts he means.)

It's probably the weird back and forth. I wouldn't be surprised. That shit was weird.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:22 am

Hey ETL, I am going to vote you unless you post the reasons

your teammates

think I am scum before we get to 24 hours until deadline. At least one member of your team has thought I am scummy since 61 pages ago, and it's now been at least a week since you asked your teammates to post in your PT about me (by request from Mina). So give me your teammates' reasoning or I will vote you, and then you will be lynched. Thanks.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:29 am

squee i love making ultimatums

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 3:30 am

Oh yeah hey mina your V/LA's over now yeah?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:34 am

In post 1724, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:I mean, part of the problem is that it doesn't seem like you give a shit about actually figuring me or anyone else out. You just keep looking for reasons to justify a vote.

"If you dont do X, I will vote you."

Right, me asking after whether your teammates have actually been legitimately scumhunting and trying to figure out the game instead of telling you who you should pretend they want you to push is me just trying to justify a vote on you.

Are you serious?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:36 am

I know I have a green light to vote you. Duhhhhhh. I don't need to fabricate any reasoning at all. What you don't appear to understand is that I really cannot tell whether it's you or BB who's scum, and that's why I'm asking these questions in the first place.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:38 am

In post 1724, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Instead of reevaluating your reads, you go "Nope. These people have always been and will always be town for no reason whatsoever, which means only these people are scum, and I will never think about that ever again despite other evidence."

That's really, really rich coming from you.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:39 am

In post 1727, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:What I don't get is how you can justify a scum read based on
people who are not here
.

Which people? I'm not being obtuse, I'm legit confused.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:41 am

Oh your teammates? Easy. They know your alignment, so if you're scum they know who is town and therefore their scumhunting will be as fake as any Scum's.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:44 am

You actually said to Mina a week ago though that you would tell her why your teammates thought I was scum. And as I've pointed out, at least one of your teammates has thought I am scum for the last 61 pages. So I find it really, really hard to believe they dont have things they can concretely point to to justify their scumreads on me, especially if all four of you think I'm scum

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:47 am

In post 1734, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1731, Quilford wrote:Oh your teammates? Easy. They know your alignment, so if you're scum they know who is town and therefore their scumhunting will be as fake as any Scum's.

Yeah I get that. I don't know if you are doing this on purpose or you just really don't see it, but there is a difference between fake scum hunting and laziness.

Yes. I know. And when you finally post their reasons, I'll actually be able to tell. which is the entire reason I'm asking in the first place

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:48 am

In post 1732, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:You have got to be kidding me. It would be one thing to say this if I've been tunneling on you but I haven't. I've been looking at everyone. Continuously reevaluating. Trying to see if maybe I'm wrong about BB. Maybe I'm wrong about Patrick. I fucking went after Johnny instead of you until the very end of the day and would have gone back to him if I'd been here in time.

I've even reevaluated MINA ffs.... are you on drugs?

...

In which of your posts have you been doing any of this at all?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:49 am

Like, your posts from today.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:49 am

Post numbers will do.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:53 am

In post 1741, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Just because I don't post everything I'm thinking doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Great. So we're all supposed to just believe that you're reevaluating things in your head.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 5:56 am

In post 1740, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:p-edit: al;dfkjal;dkjfal;dk please. Read. There have been several times I have mentioned my suspicions about Mina and Patrick.

I literally cannot see any post in the past nine days in which you mention any suspicion at all of anyone apart from me.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:00 am

In post 1740, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:And what about my reasons....?? I'm here, playing the fucking game. They aren't.

Yeah. Its just that you've mentioned on several occasions that their opinions have played a massive part in you developing your scumread on me, you've said you trust them implicitly, you've said they're basically screaming at you to lynch me.

Their reasoning is clearly very convincing to you. I want to hear what it is. Surely if it's enough to take me from a town read to your biggest scum read in your eyes, it'll be enough to secure a lynch on me today, which is what you want, so I really see no reason why you're not sharing their reasoning, apart from it not actually existing.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:02 am

In post 1746, Quilford wrote:
In post 1740, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:p-edit: al;dfkjal;dkjfal;dk please. Read. There have been several times I have mentioned my suspicions about Mina and Patrick.

I literally cannot see any post in the past nine days in which you mention any suspicion at all of anyone apart from me.

In post 1747, EspeciallyTheLies wrote::(

Can I talk to someone else please

Can you see a post from you during or after May 1 (I think it was) in which you mention suspicions of anyone but me?

I can't. I just ISO'd you, and I can't.

So your stonewalling just comes off as a massive dodge.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:06 am

BB can you give a little one sentence summary of where youre at with everyone? That would help a lot in actually understanding why you're having trouble

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:20 am

In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my
whole team
thinks he's scum,
especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened.

EspeciallyTheLies wrote:since d1, their involvement has gone to nil.

Bullshit detector going off big time.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:26 am

In post 1484, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1481, Mina wrote:Also, can you summarize why your teammates think Quilford is scum?

I will get that from them. It has mostly been site chat stuff. I'll go through our PT and pull it all together.

I also dont think you would ever have promised Mina this if your teammates involvement had dropped to nil post D1

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:27 am

Great, that's fantastic. Just ignore the contradictions, AtE, and keep pushing me on a case multiple players have debunked many parts of many times.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:32 am

They're looking at me already you nong -___- Mina has said multiple times that she hasn't been impressed with my posts today. Patrick has literally pulled apart your case on me for me, something that you apparently thought wasn't worth commenting on despite him apparently being your second scum read. BB has been voting me for most of the day. They're all looking at me. Jfc

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:33 am

That's great, continue AtEing.

Why not selfvote now?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:41 am

Molla have you been reading, like, at all. be honest pls. about when was the last time you were fully caught up

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:48 am

In post 1751, Quilford wrote:BB can you give a little one sentence summary of where youre at with everyone? That would help a lot in actually understanding why you're having trouble

pls do this tho

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:51 am

Mina, Patrick. I wanna talk.

(ALTHOUGH I guess Patrick is probably going through a bit of bereavement over the election rn)

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 7:35 am

Hey Mina, you are aware that the entire last two pages has been me asking ETL for her teammates' reasons yeah?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 7:44 am

In post 1775, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:p-edit: Hey quil, you are aware that I still haven't gotten anything from them, no matter how many pages you generate about it?

Yeah I know. I'm kind of hoping your team will realise you are about to be lynched and then put in some effort to cobble together some reasoning, genuine or otherwise

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 7:49 am

Mina I know you hate my posts today or whatever, but I can't see #1753 as anything but a flat-out contradiction. I want to vote ETL today. What are your thoughts re ETL vs BB vs me in terms of who should be today's lynch?

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 7:52 am

Although her latest posts make me think town. Ughhhhhhhhhhhh

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 7:56 am

fyi, your dumbass conspiracy theory posts make me think youre scum again and if I was scum I would have to mislynch you and BBmolla anyway

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:00 am

In post 1782, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1781, Quilford wrote:Although her latest posts make me think town. Ughhhhhhhhhhhh

no goddammit. this is unacceptable. you lynch bb today and then me for the win tomorrow?

fucking no.

lynch me today.

No it isn't, and youre tunneling.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:01 am

Ignore the quote, I was responding to your most recent post

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:06 am

Mina you better be composing the post of the century or something, I stayed up this late because I saw you weren't on V/LA any more and I wanted a goddamn dialogue

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:10 am

Instead I'm probably just gonna fall asleep on my phone in bed.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:28 am

No, its okay. We do have four more days I guess. ):

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:32 am

And I agree with you re waiting to see if molla does anything.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 8:32 am

Bleurgh okay goodnight

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 2:15 pm

I personally would like one-sentence summaries of your thoughts on each of the players in this game.

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:01 pm

I think she means, why are you now suddenly unsure about me

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 6:03 pm

Also please indicate whether or not you're gonna do what I asked in #1799

Quilford · Fri May 08, 2015 9:34 pm

thanks bud.

i feel better about lynching etl now

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 1:08 am

In post 1807, Patrick wrote:Got back from work night out to find approximately 30025 pissed off messages from Fenchurch about this game

lol'd hard

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:49 am

Yeah ok buddy

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:54 am

Hey Mina can we lynch ETL? Then I'll nightkill Metal Sonic and well have a fun little lylo

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:55 am

In post 1816, Quilford wrote:Hey Mina can we lynch ETL? Then I'll nightkill Metal Sonic and well have a fun little lylo

It'll just be you and me and Patrick. Woudlnt that be nice

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:03 am

Ok. Well I look forward to you actually reading the game and then embarrassingly backing down on your read on me.

If you've scumread me since day 1 but yet have only the gist of the general game state and history and no detail, then I think its proooobably a safe bet to say that you're conf biased to hell.

We'll talk more when you've read all 72 pages.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:17 am

Minaaaa need to talk

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:19 am

looooolll

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:23 am

Patrick is it just me or is #1830 hilariously hilariously scummy

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:31 am

'Spell out your analysis'

Coming from a guy whose latest attempts at analysis were 'this comes from town', 'ridiculous', and 'yeah no'

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:33 am

More like finding posts and then drawing the conclusions you already want to draw from them.

Again. Read the game.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:35 am

thanks dear, means a lot

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:59 am

mina mina, how you thrill me, ah-hah, mina mina
mina mina, nearly kill me, ah-hah, mina mina

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:02 am

I HEARD ABOUT YOU BEFOOOORRREE
I WANTED TO KNOW SOME MOOOREE

ok but seriously this day phase is just dead in the water until you come and post

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:04 am

also I dont think Patrick is up for an Abba medley

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:14 am

now ladies and gentleman, if you look very closely and stand perfectly still...

ah... there it is...

scum buddying in the wild.

look at how the ETL gently flatters the metallic sonic's ego with her reminders of past encounters... its incredibly rare to see such flamboyant buddying in the wild

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:15 am

truly a once in a lifetime experience

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:19 am

ooh and then the appeal to self-meta undercut by the failure to take into consideration the meta of the one she thinks is scum. truly... extraordinary

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 3:49 pm

Hey MS, can I ask you some questions?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 3:56 pm

Yep they wont be.

Up to post #32 there was a discussion going on between ETL and Mara about the merits of RVS. What do you think of ETL's attitude during this discussion?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:06 pm

My second question is bangin', I'm excited

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:24 pm

You get a B. Not enough talking about attitude outside of the second sentence.

Next question!

Sticking with ETL and Mara, another short discussion about scum play and meta between them spans #49, #50, #52, #57, #58, #59, #66, #70 and finishes with #76.

What do you think of this discussion? Does it contain any hidden ironies?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:36 pm

promise the next question isn't specifically about ETL and or Mara

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 4:55 pm

In post 1904, Metal Sonic wrote:ETL was probably on alert that mara's tone switched so fast.

Sorry, what tonal shift is this?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:00 pm

In post 1904, Metal Sonic wrote:#66 is ironic in the fact that ETL similarly disengaged from Mara as how Mara did earlier. The vote change to BBMolla was unexplained and a continuation of RVS which Mara and ETL attempted to avoid in the earlier exchange.

Oooooohhhh, nice. I hasn't even thought of that myself ahaha. The irony I was thinking of was that ETL was like 'scum could lie about their methods because most people wouldn't dive through their meta' and then didn't end up going through and checking Mara's meta after all, not even when she came to think Mara was scum later on.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:03 pm

In post 1908, Metal Sonic wrote:I'm not sure what you're asking.

#48 suggests a shift in stance towards ETL and possibly considering that she might be town. "Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?" The question of what indicates etlscum suggests doubt and uncertainty in her etl scumread.

But hold on, where is the evidence of the stance she was shifting from? I dont see where Mara was scumreading ETL in the first place.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:05 pm

In post 1905, Metal Sonic wrote:I gotta go, so leave any more questions here

I prefer asking them one by one, so I'll just leave the next one.

BBmolla—your slot!—enters the game in #60. What do you make of the reactions to his entrance?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:16 pm

Well I dont quite buy your fourth paragraph yet because I dont see how Mara suddenly disengaged from ETL at all. I think that will be bound up in your answer to #1911 though.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:51 pm

Well no, not necessarily.

'"already" suggests a lapse in time and some form of surprise; ETL was probably on alert that mara's tone switched so fast.'

You've agreed that there really actually wasn't a fast tone switch after all, yeah? I would argue that ETL is simply on alert that Mara seems to be town reading her so early, which fits with the ensuing discussion about how Mara always starts with having people at town.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 5:59 pm

If ETL's town it could be because she's wary of Mara appeasing her with a town read.

If ETL's scum, it's a good talking point to pursue because as town she would be wary of Mara appeasing her with a town read.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:03 pm

In post 1919, Metal Sonic wrote:"Or at the last, that's what ETL intepreted"

Wait no but I don't see any evidence for ETL interpreting that Mara is changing from a scumread on ETL to a town read on her. I am not convinced by that idea.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:06 pm

In post 48, Ms Marangal wrote:Idk, 24 does seem like a fair assumption on her part, because it does seem to be a case of "town unless proven otherwise" type of deal, though the other two are solid points. Do you think her being kneejerky is indicative of etlscum?

If so, why

I think the whole 'you seem to think I'm town Mara' thing from ETL is largely spurred by this post, where Mara questions my vote for ETL.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:14 pm

In post 1912, Quilford wrote:BBmolla—your slot!—enters the game in #60. What do you make of the reactions to his entrance?

Just a reminder here's the next question.

The point of these questions isn't to convince you that ETL is scum anyway, so we dont really need to spend too long debating the finer and much harder to prove points of ETL's thought process. What I want is for you to answer as many questions of mine as you can before Mina, Patrick and I have to decide on a lynch.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 6:48 pm

In post 1924, Metal Sonic wrote:I'm PHONEPOSTING so I cant answer 1923 so easily and detailedly

I know I know, it's just a reminder.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:04 pm

Town. In fact, I have him as townier than Mina atm just by virtue of the fact that he's been around more. See #1254, #1259, #1282, #1444, #1449, #1629 and #1674 (:

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:15 pm

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:26 pm

In post 1928, Metal Sonic wrote:although I can't really see how you had read Patrick as more town than Mina from those quoted posts.

When I made those posts I definitely had Mina as more town than Patrick. I've only started reading Patrick as slightly more town than Mina recently, and it's only because Patrick's been around and posting and Mina hasn't, not because Mina has been making scummy posts or anything

I mean, I found Patrick really town from those quoted bits because it's just really convincing emotion, and Patrick doesn't come off as an emotional player otherwise at all, which doubles the convincingness of it. Maybe you had to be there, but the 'yes christ' was

exactly

how I felt about the possibility of it being ETL + Johnny, the 'sadist' bit I totally get because I remember actually physically shaking as I typed the vote into my phone, and the 'I just want zoraster' exactly how I felt after ETL turned up after i pressed post.

In post 1928, Metal Sonic wrote:Nice, though most of those posts were examples of your townread of him rather than examples of Patrick's posts that made you go "town", which doesnt show so much of "why and how" you read him town.

Well, I mean some of them were for context yeah... apart from those ones, I'd like it if you could bring up more examples of what you mean, coz I disagree.

In post 1928, Metal Sonic wrote:If it's a Lylo between Mina/Patrick/you, who would you have an inclination towards voting? Why?

Not a clue. See #1929.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:26 pm

In post 1932, Metal Sonic wrote:Did you use a laptop pencil though? That's nice handwriting

Nup, all mouse. I'm a pro

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:44 pm

In post 1936, Metal Sonic wrote:I'd like you to explain why Mina's quotes in 1448 only got a "so town" but Patrick got a "sooo townnnn"

Oic. I'm pretty sure I was just playing off of the fact that I was saying 'so town' a lot during that page.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 1938, Metal Sonic wrote:#1435.

Why do you call Molla's teammates "dumb", when you insinuate that he could be scum in #1430?

Well I also insinuate he could be town in #1430 -___-

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 7:57 pm

In post 1939, Metal Sonic wrote:#1284.

Why do you have Jonny on your #1 scum list if you were townreading him in 995 and 958? What changed between those 300 posts?

See #1300. Also you might be missing the fact that Brian Skies who was my top scumread claimed watcher. ):

In post 1939, Metal Sonic wrote:Why didn't you make any mention of Jonny until then? your thought process with regard to your JF read cannot be tracked.

Also see #995. I think in large part I was awarding Johnny townpoints because he and I seemed to be on the same wavelength with BBmolla, ie that I had not a fucking clue.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:00 pm

In post 1944, Metal Sonic wrote:#1444

" I want to powerlynch ETL and BBMOLLA"

powerlynch is a very strong term, quil. I don't think the implication of bb town came out clearly enough.

Well obviously one of them would have to be town, because there was only one scum left??

I don't get why you're being so obtuse on this point. I was 99% sure one of ETL and molla was scum. I didn't know which, because they had each done really scum things and really town things at various points. So I wanted both of them dead. PLUS the fact that obviously it's joking wish fulfillment to some degree.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:07 pm

In post 1943, Metal Sonic wrote:You have never voted Serra or Johnny at all throughout the course of the game, with the minute exception of hammering him 2 minutes before deadline. The same cannot be said for Molla or ETL, as they have voted Johnny multiple times individually and kept their vote there for a while.

This is highly incriminating :(

Shrug. I never really suspected Serra or Johnny, because Serra was a lurker and Johnny made a town-seeming entrance to me, and I had no meta with either of them to draw upon. On Day 1 I was pushing the Alchemist lynch and on Day 2 I pushed BPC / Brian Skies for most of the day. If you think my reasoning for voting those two players was unjustified, then fine. But otehrwise, Molla and ETL did not present the strength of conviction in their reads that I did, and therefore they would have been moving their vote around. It's perfectly reasonable that they would have voted for Johnny at some point.

I remember a long long time ago, one of my first games here, there was a player called Internet Stranger who had flipped scum in a game I had replaced into. And there was only one scum left, so I was looking for partner connections. I looked at the ISOs of the two players I was going to have to choose from, and one player had not interacted with IS or vice versa at all, and the other had. And I voted the first player, and they flipped town. Lesson learned

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:08 pm

In post 1948, Metal Sonic wrote:It's particularly notable that in #1301 your vote diverted to ETL even though Johnny was your "top scum read".

Are you gonna do the BBmolla thing where you put things in quotes that I haven't actually said?

I said Johnny was my top

lynch preference

. There's a difference.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:10 pm

Are you saying I haven't been putting effort into figuring out which of ETL and BBmolla is scum during this day??

If so, you are dead wrong and need to actually read the game like I've been telling you to since forever.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:12 pm

In post 1952, Metal Sonic wrote:If he's your top lynch preference, why didn't you CONTRIBUTE to the lynch until the last minute literally?

Maybe you should actually READ what HAPPENED during the lynch you twit, you are missing the entire kerfuffle around the watcher claim which explains precisely why I wanted ETL more dead, and even Mina was leaning towards ETL for the same reasons as well.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:19 pm

Yeah, the day it

mattered

I was convinced it was BPC's slot until he claimed like A DAY BEFORE DEADLINE

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:23 pm

In post 1956, Metal Sonic wrote:Also, you haven't addressed how you can justify molla/ ETL being scum with JF when they were the main proponents of sorting him out and alerting Mina+Patrick about JF during 800-1000

Yeah. It's called bussing. Why don't you ask Patrick and Mina how they can justify the same thing?

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:25 pm

In post 1958, Metal Sonic wrote:Quilford attempted to subvert towards ETL, because "whoa ETL is missing" <----- whatever reason this is, isn't important.

Yes it is. Mina was considering voting ETL for the exact same reasons. Idr if patrick was too. And BBmolla DID subvert towards ETL

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:26 pm

In post 1959, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 1957, Quilford wrote:Yeah, the day it
mattered
I was convinced it was BPC's slot until he claimed like A DAY BEFORE DEADLINE

Well, whatever reason you gave, you gave the wrong conclusion and wrong answer.

That's incriminating, do you deny?

Yes, I do deny.

In any game where town loses, at least one townie must have given the wrong conclusion and wrong answer at a crucial point in the game.

Being wrong is not incriminating in the slightest.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:30 pm

In post 1963, Metal Sonic wrote:You've never actually pushed JF. Or interacted with him in order to read his reactions and get a personal read. You just called him town in the face of pressure and conceded that he was your top scumread once Patrick and Mina were convinced, with no visible trajectory whatsoever. Insofar every player has pushed JF scum except you; you were sheeping.

#825. #827. #898. #921. #922. #995.

Read them. Thanks.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:34 pm

In post 1965, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 1961, Quilford wrote:
In post 1956, Metal Sonic wrote:Also, you haven't addressed how you can justify molla/ ETL being scum with JF when they were the main proponents of sorting him out and alerting Mina+Patrick about JF during 800-1000

Yeah. It's called bussing. Why don't you ask Patrick and Mina how they can justify the same thing?

Because Patrick and Mina also individually pushed JF. The only one lacking is you.

That makes no sense as an answer. Your original question was asking me how I could scumread molla or ETL if they were engaging with JohnnyFarrar for 200 posts. I'm pointing out that, well, why aren't you asking Mina and Patrick the same question, because they're also scumreading your slot and ETL.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:35 pm

In post 1968, Metal Sonic wrote:I am aware of the difference between wrong town and scum.

The problem here is that I see purposeful attempts to nudge the lynch away from JF

Yeah. But you haven't actually read or comprehended what happened around the lynch fully. Once you do that, you will understand why I wanted to lynch ETL over JF, and why e.g. Mina was considering the same.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:38 pm

In post 1971, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 1967, Quilford wrote:
In post 1963, Metal Sonic wrote:You've never actually pushed JF. Or interacted with him in order to read his reactions and get a personal read. You just called him town in the face of pressure and conceded that he was your top scumread once Patrick and Mina were convinced, with no visible trajectory whatsoever. Insofar every player has pushed JF scum except you; you were sheeping.

#825. #827. #898. #921. #922. #995.

Read them. Thanks.

I already have. I was woefully dissatisfied.

I don't care that you're dissatisfied. The linked posts show that your assertions in #1963 are flat-out wrong.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:41 pm

Yeah, well the bits you're all quoting that supposedly show me making attempts to nudge the lynch away were all at the part near the deadline, so I suggest you become more concerned about that part.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:48 pm

Metal Sonic wrote:"JF for town IMO" when ETL and Molla were voting JF looks like a blatant nudge to me

Wow im sure Patrick and Mina were thoroughly convinced by it

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 8:51 pm

The effectiveness is irrelevant. The amount of effort put into the action isn't.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:03 pm

Which was quite a lot. I linked you just one post less on my Johnny read than I did on my Patrick read. You're just dismissing it in hindsight because it was wrong.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:14 pm

You notice how you're losing all these arguments? Its because your central premise is utterly wrong.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:15 pm

And you should read the game in full before you start advocating for a player's lynch, not after.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:21 pm

If you are town (which is more likely than ETL at the moment), you should take a moment to check out this game, where I skimmed through and did ISO's when I replaced in towards the end of the game and thought it was a town player. Then, I actually read the entire game start to finish and switched onto the scum player. You might find it instructive.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:22 pm

lol you were actually even in that game for a little bit

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:30 pm

In post 1991, Metal Sonic wrote:But yeah, by rereading the whole game I don't expect my reads to change until you want me to look at Patrick/Mina (lol)

I didn't expect mine to either in the teen wolf game. But they did.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:31 pm

Also, yeah, I know you've said you would do so, but just another reminder to answer my latest question on BBmolla.

Quilford · Sat May 09, 2015 9:33 pm

I enjoy that the last four pages have just been you and me.

sorry patrick and mina haha.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 1:52 am

In post 1997, Mina wrote:Quilford, what was the point of the question prompting that response? Or the other questions you asked Metal Sonic--I'm not sure if I get the purpose behind any of them, since they seemed slightly nitpicky.

I don't understand what question you're referring to in the first sentence?

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 1:54 am

In post 1997, Mina wrote:although I REALLY liked MS's entry and was on the verge of unvoting

What did you like about it?

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:00 am

In post 1997, Mina wrote:Why has NO ONE commented on what MS's posts say about his alignment?

Euuurgh. It's hard.

- I like them because there are a

lot

of them. Like, we just had a posting marathon. I'm not sure scum could put in such sustained effort.
- I like them because his thought process is clearly visible across all of them.
- I don't like them because a lot of the analysis seems simplistic or belaboured.
- I don't like them because he doesn't seem open to rereading the game or reconsidering his reads.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:12 am

In post 1949, Quilford wrote:I remember a long long time ago, one of my first games here, there was a player called Internet Stranger who had flipped scum in a game I had replaced into. And there was only one scum left, so I was looking for partner connections. I looked at the ISOs of the two players I was going to have to choose from, and one player had not interacted with IS or vice versa at all, and the other had. And I voted the first player, and they flipped town. Lesson learned

Heh, so I went looking for this game and it turns out the first player was actually scum after all.

So that's awkward!

It was my first game with chamber tho <3 <3 chambs

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 6:15 am

In post 2006, Mina wrote:The questions I mean (I didn't really get where you were heading with them):

Yeah... that was me trying to force him into reading Day 1

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 6:23 am

In post 2013, Metal Sonic wrote:Holy SHIT. his posts are ALL DESCRIPTION 0 ANALYSIS

It appears that in this game, you prize analysis and semantics. You prize deep thought process.

Somehow, you turn off the blinkers at Johnny and let him PASS with this BULL UTTER SHIT

You know which player I was pushing super hard who posted two cases that were all description and zero analysis? The player we lynched on Day 1, who flipped town.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:18 pm

Hey Mina, Metal thinks youre town. Tell him to look at my meta please.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:19 pm

I literally can not think of any other way to break the conf bias

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:35 pm

In post 2072, Metal Sonic wrote:My read is different because I see the game with a fresh pair of eyes and break the tinted lens that has been set up slowly throughout the course of the game/d1. Plus, I re evaluate

Yes you would be doing this if you had actually read the game in order and in full. As it is you're openly admitting to jumping around to the bits where you see me as most scummy. You even offered to look at the bit at the end of D1 where ETL says I was running distraction (as if thats something I would ever, ever do as scum). You're not looking at the game with a fresh pair of eyes, youre looking at it with tunnel vision

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:51 pm

In post 2076, Metal Sonic wrote:You have the most evidence of scum against you among the 3.

Say that's true. I also have the most evidence of town for me among the 3. You're just not letting yourself see it.

Gonna check my meta?

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 2:57 pm

In post 2062, Mina wrote:MS, short summaries of your reads on every player that isn't Quilford, go!

(Sorry, still in pop-in mode right now.)

Also do this too

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 3:01 pm

In post 2081, Metal Sonic wrote:No, I dont metadive, ever.

Of course you don't.

Read a scum game of mine. As Mina said earlier, it's like night and day.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 4:46 pm

You're making excuses.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 4:48 pm

In post 2086, Metal Sonic wrote:My scumgame is like night and day too.

Doesn't mean I can't wreck town with it.

I don't know why youre comparing me to you?

My scumgame is appalling. I legit can't remember the last time I won as scum.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 4:57 pm

In post 2091, Metal Sonic wrote:Whatever, evidence still stands. Frustrating though understandable why Patrick is stonewalling despite all the evidence. May get impatient

No it doesn't you idiot.

Part of the reason—probably a lot of the reason—Mina is reading me as town is because she's played with me as scum before, she knows I'm abysmal as scum, and she knows my town and scum play are nothing alike.

Patrick probably also owes at least a slight part of his townread to reading the scum game of mine that Mina linked in here earlier and recognising how different my play was there compared to here.

You are blatantly ignoring things—Day 1, my meta—that you think could point to me as town. I don't see how that's anything other than tunnelling.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 5:56 pm

That's not how reads work.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 5:58 pm

I was reading BBmolla as scum based on a number of factors, all of which I thought were pretty convincing in their own right.

But my meta with him suggested to me that often my BB reads were wildly incorrect, so my net read on him swung way back closer to null.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 6:00 pm

Or...

I'd never played with Patrick before, so I was uncertain what to make of his unemotional, straightforward play.

After I meta'd him, I saw that he didn't tend to be very emotional as either town or scum, so I was able to factor out his lack of emotion, which gave me a stronger townread on him.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 6:16 pm

I look forward to the inevitable unvote

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 6:25 pm

In post 2062, Mina wrote:MS, short summaries of your reads on every player that isn't Quilford, go!

(Sorry, still in pop-in mode right now.)

Also answer this already, jfc

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 7:39 pm

Why are they suspects?

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 7:40 pm

In post 1753, Quilford wrote:
In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my
whole team
thinks he's scum,
especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened.

EspeciallyTheLies wrote:since d1, their involvement has gone to nil.

Bullshit detector going off big time.

What do you think about ETL lying about her teammates' involvement?

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 9:38 pm

In post 2108, Metal Sonic wrote:So you implicitly agree that your post-day 1 play is scummy as fuck?

No? I think you think my Day 1 play could possibly be town, and are avoiding reading it for that reason.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 9:39 pm

I'll get to the ETL contradiction later but I am surprised you didn't see it earlier if you've been reading like you say you have.

Quilford · Sun May 10, 2015 9:43 pm

No? I think all my play is town. You're missing the "you think" in "I think you think".

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:58 am

In post 2118, Metal Sonic wrote:you phone posting? talk to me

i too am an attention whore like quil

that is why i can see his scum very easily :^)

Again, you're comparing me to you.

I am the opposite of an attention whore as scum.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:03 am

In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my
whole team
thinks he's scum,
especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened.
I'm supposed to ignore all that in favor of a single player's one-game meta on him? I just can't do that anymore.

In post 1730, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 1725, Quilford wrote:Right, me asking after whether your teammates have actually been legitimately scumhunting and trying to figure out the game instead of telling you who you should pretend they want you to push is me just trying to justify a vote on you.

I don't think they are even reading the game, man!
I get snippets of "I think X" and that's about it.

In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my
whole team
thinks he's scum,
especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened.
I'm supposed to ignore all that in favor of a single player's one-game meta on him? I just can't do that anymore.

In post 1752, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:no quil. I was town reading you on d1. they all said, on d1, before shit got all fucked ip, that I was wrong about you and should look closer. so I did. and I agreed with them, all things I have posted in the thread. the case on you is mine.
since d1, their involvement has gone to nil.

In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that
I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and my
whole team
thinks he's scum
, especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened. I'm supposed to ignore all that in favor of a single player's one-game meta on him? I just can't do that anymore.

In post 1775, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
THEY were not the ones who convinced me, Mina.
quil did.

In post 1479, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:The biggest issue with quilford is that I haven't been able to figure him out the entire game, and
my
whole team
thinks he's scum, especially after Johnny's scum flip and the way that happened.
I'm supposed to ignore all that in favor of a single player's one-game meta on him? I just can't do that anymore.

In post 2116, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:never lied about my team mates involvement.
they were never hands on with this game.
it was always small comments.
I knew anti/TTH were scum reading quil. never knew why.
sthar is the only so far who has gotten back to it.

And of course the second quotes all come after Mina, Patrick and I started putting pressure on her to explain why her team thought I was scum.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:14 am

Yes you fucking idiot. That's because THE PLAYER WHO I HAD PUT ALL THAT BURDEN OF "THOUGHT PROCESS" AND "CLEAR REASONING" AND "ANALYSIS" AND "SCUMHUNTING" ON AND HAD ABSOLUTELY FAILED ALL THOSE TESTS

FLIPPED TOWN.

AND YOURE EXPECTING ME TO COME IN ON DAY 2, AS IF MY STRONGEST FUCKING SCUMREAD HADN'T JUST FLIPPED TOWN, AND KEEP GOING ON AS USUAL???

HOLY

FUCK

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:16 am

In post 2125, Metal Sonic wrote:thanks for making me read day 1, quilford

In post 720, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:BB's town. Patrick being in first position makes me less inclined to think he's scum,
at least not as much as Quilford or Serra.
So if alch were lynched and flipped town, I'd be looking at those two, with a preference on quil as
my team keeps yelling at me about him.

WOW

SHE DID ONE UTTERLY SHITE VCA AND PULLED SOME RANDOM REASONING OUT OF THAT

LIKE 'BEING IN FIRST POSITION ON A WAGON MAKES YOU LESS LIKELY TO BE SCUM'

GREAT

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:27 am

In post 2128, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2126, Quilford wrote:Yes you fucking idiot. That's because THE PLAYER WHO I HAD PUT ALL THAT BURDEN OF "THOUGHT PROCESS" AND "CLEAR REASONING" AND "ANALYSIS" AND "SCUMHUNTING" ON AND HAD ABSOLUTELY FAILED ALL THOSE TESTS
FLIPPED TOWN.

AND YOURE EXPECTING ME TO COME IN ON DAY 2, AS IF MY STRONGEST FUCKING SCUMREAD HADN'T JUST FLIPPED TOWN, AND KEEP GOING ON AS USUAL???

HOLY

FUCK

WELL MOTHERFUCKER

WHY DO YOU SUDDENLY SUBJECT EVERY PLAYER TO ALL THAT BURDEN OF "THOUGHT PROCESS" AND "CLEAR REASONING" AND "ANALYSIS" AND "SCUMHUNTING" AFTERWARDS STILL?

Because that's how I scumhunt????? The specific point you made was that I called out Alchemist's shitty case but I didn't call out Johnny's shitty catch-up. That's because the Alchemist flip taught me that shitty posts which contained 95% summary instead of analysis could come from town. So OBVIOUSLY I wasn't about to give Johnny scum points for his catch-up.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:28 am

In post 2130, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2127, Quilford wrote:WOW

SHE DID ONE UTTERLY SHITE VCA AND PULLED SOME RANDOM REASONING OUT OF THAT

LIKE 'BEING IN FIRST POSITION ON A WAGON MAKES YOU LESS LIKELY TO BE SCUM'

GREAT

NOW
YOU'RE DISCREDITING ETL'S TEAMMATES READ ON YOU?

BULLSHIT.

THE WHOLE ARGUMENT WAS "etl's was lying about her teammates reads on quilford"

AND I JUST PROVED THAT YOU LOST THE ARGUMENT

What are you talking about? The 'first person on the wagon' reason didn't come from ETL's team, it came from ETL herself.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:29 am

In post 2131, Metal Sonic wrote:the first player to scumread scum for no apparent reason is conftown.

Cool, I'll keep that in mind for my future scumgames

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:34 am

In post 2129, Metal Sonic wrote:YOUR POINT THAT THEY WERE DOING JACK SHIT IS JACK SHIT

I haven't been making any points about what ETL's team has or has not been doing. What I have done is point out the many times ETL contradicts herself over when and how they have been engaging with the game.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:36 am

In post 2139, Patrick wrote:Quilford, why no vote on ETL?

If she is town, I don't want her to self-hammer (as she has repeatedly threatened to do) before Mina comes in here.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:40 am

In post 2136, Metal Sonic wrote:but you didn't bother to read him further

Yep. I didn't. I think you'll find that I did not really bother to read many people in depth that Day, because I was arguing with ETL and attempting to lynch BPC/Brian.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:42 am

In post 2143, Metal Sonic wrote:She is certainly being consistent with her claim that "my teammates think that quil is scum on d1"

Yes. Since when was that in doubt?

In post 2143, Metal Sonic wrote:"especially after the Johnny flip" could just be an ambiguous miswording.

Uh, it seems pretty unambiguous to me. Where is the ambiguity.

In post 2143, Metal Sonic wrote:there is no clear lie here.

What happened to 'that's a nasty contradiction, you have my attention'?

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:45 am

In post 2141, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2133, Quilford wrote:That's because the Alchemist flip taught me that shitty posts which contained 95% summary instead of analysis could come from town.

BULLSHIT

In post 995, Quilford wrote:Also, therein lies the problem with BBmolla, which is that I get really suspicious of people who can't see him as anything but town because of the fakehammer:

Why not look at his actual fucking scumhunting, which is the number one alignment indicative thing in the entirety of mafia? Because it hasn't been very fucking good. Go back, look at his reasons for scumreading Alchemist, and tell me they even begin to approach good.

I have found various aspects of BB's play town, which is why I have him at null. But people (Patrick, ETL) who are just saying blah blah emotion blah fakehammer need to look a little bit closer, for Christ's sake. Your lack of nuance in your read on him really concerns me, which is precisely not what I want, because it's destroying my previously held townreads on you and, I think, making me think Johnny is townier than he actually is.

Yes. I think you will find, if you bothered to go look at why I hated BBmolla's reasons for voting Alchemist, that it wasn't because his case on Alchemist was summary instead of analysis.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:47 am

What you are saying is 'why didn't you vote Johnny for his bad catchup if you voted Alchemist for his bad cases, because they were both summary instead of analysis?'

What I am saying is that this is because Alchemist flipped town, so I wasn't inclined to lynch people for posting things that were summary instead of analysis.

You are somehow understanding that as me saying I dropped the entire concept of scumhunting entirely.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:48 am

Now. It's almost 1am and I have a test today.

Goodnight.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:53 am

In post 2145, Quilford wrote:
In post 2143, Metal Sonic wrote:"especially after the Johnny flip" could just be an ambiguous miswording.

Uh, it seems pretty unambiguous to me. Where is the ambiguity.

Not to mention that if it was an ambiguous miswording she would have said so on one of the other two times I pulled her up on it. So don't try and invent some bullshit now.

--

ETL, the bolded bits contradict each other. Unambiguously so in the second pair of quotes.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:56 am

In post 2152, Metal Sonic wrote:so most certainly "I WAS TOO BUSY SORTING ETL AND BPC TO BOTHER ANALYSING AND GETTING A TOWNREAD ON A FUCKING NULLSLOT WHICH HAD 9 POSTS"

from those 9 posts, MINA HIT BULLS-EYE SCUM

Cool. I don't know if you've noticed, but the username attached to all the posts with the catbug avatar is not "Mina", and therefore you shouldn't be expecting it to find scummy the same things that Mina is finding scummy.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:57 am

In post 2154, Metal Sonic wrote:well, yeah I got on a computer before you gave me an answer

What answer? The contradiction is a contradiction is a contradiction. In the earlier post, she says that her teammates especially scumread me for my actions around the Johnny lynch. In the later post, she says that her teammates' involvement dropped to nil past Day 1. They cannot be true both at once.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:02 am

EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2138, Quilford wrote:I haven't been making any points about what ETL's team has or has not been doing

:eek:

Now who is lying?

I seem to recall and ultimatum thrown my way regarding my team mates behavior, and not mine.

Yeah, the second sentence in that quote, which you have conveniently left out, puts the first one in context.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:05 am

In post 2147, Quilford wrote:What you are saying is 'why didn't you vote Johnny for his bad catchup if you voted Alchemist for his bad cases, because they were both summary instead of analysis?'

What I am saying is that this is because Alchemist flipped town, so I wasn't inclined to lynch people for posting things that were summary instead of analysis.

You are somehow understanding that as me saying I dropped the entire concept of scumhunting entirely.

You're still doing this MS

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:13 am

In post 2169, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2147, Quilford wrote:What you are saying is 'why didn't you vote Johnny for his bad catchup if you voted Alchemist for his bad cases, because they were both summary instead of analysis?'

WRONG.

you never expressed discontent or nervousness with regard to his posts

you never once expressed "hey! this guy isn't scumhunting, but I may be wrong"

you never clarified further or 1v1'd with JF, which you should have done, to ease your if-you-were-town paranoia on him

there are so many questions that I would have asked JF if I were put in that scenario as town.

considering that you came up with the same questions when bombarding alchemist

i was pretty surprised you didn't have the same thoughts when JF came in

zero. zilch. nada. "oh he's town. because he's assertive. LOL"

Can you just not comprehend the concept that Johnny was not on my radar? As I've said for the millionth time now, I was pursuing ETL and BPC/Brian. I was PRETTY confident that BPC was scum and, if you've read Day 1, you'll know that when I'm confident in someone being scum, my focus tends to narrow a bit.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:14 am

In post 2170, Metal Sonic wrote:LET'S SEE HOW QUILFORD HAS HIS THOUGHT PROCESS ON SCUM

(n = 1)

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:16 am

In post 2171, Metal Sonic wrote:its difficult to push town as scum

Really? Because if I am scum, I seemed to have no trouble with it with Alchemist on D1 or with BPC on D2.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:18 am

In post 2175, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2172, Quilford wrote:Can you just not comprehend the concept that Johnny was not on my radar?

HAHA, NOPE!

NOT WHEN

1) YOU HAD A NULL READ ON HIM PREVIOUSLY
2) NEW ANALYZABLE CONTENT WAS COMING IN BY THE TRUCKLOAD
3) HIS SCUMMY POSTS WOULD HAVE CAUGHT YOUR ATTENTION LIKE AN ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM

NO WAY.

you're ignoring him cause you were scum. and focusing on town. but that's a different argument altogether

I've already said ten thousand times that I ignored his catch-up posts, which were summaries instead of analysis, which is scummy, because Alchemist produced tonnes of summary instead of analysis on Day 1, I thought he was really really scummy because of it, and he flipped town. So I wasn't inclined to pursue that tell again so soon.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:31 am

In post 921, Quilford wrote:
In post 903, Mina wrote:I might be just talking to talk. But Quilford:

1) Can you elaborate on "assertive responses to your question"? Not sure I see what you mean.

He was very forthright in response to me in #826 and #828. Strikes me as town. I think scum would've been more weaselly.

In post 922, Quilford wrote:You know what's funny?

I dislike JF's catchup because it had like no questions.
But I also dislike BPC's catchup because it was nothing but questions.

Hey Metal Sonic, you're ignoring these posts in which I say more substantive things about Johnny.

But I really am going to bed. Unless Mina wants me. Which she probably doesn't.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:36 am

we'll see how wrecked I am when we lynch ETL and then you see that I was town all along post-game <3

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:41 am

if nothing else, I think you will learn some very important lessons about how to be a good replacement, and the importance of behavioural tells and meta over relational tells <3

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:46 am

In post 2193, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2192, Quilford wrote:if nothing else, I think you will learn some very important lessons about how to be a good replacement, and the importance of behavioural tells and meta over relational tells <3

if nothing else, I think you will experience how replacements ruin the game for scum after they conftown their slot then proceed to pinch off the single scum that has been hiding in the townblock for so long

then join me on the petition of not allowing replacements in team mafia 2016 <3

being town, no, I dont think I will <3

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 4:48 am

In post 2194, Metal Sonic wrote:
In post 2192, Quilford wrote:the importance of
behavioural tells and
meta over relational tells

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

In post 2192, Quilford wrote:the importance of meta over relational tells

:lol: :lol: :lol:

youre right. what I meant is that you should be using relational tells in conjunction with behavioural tells and meta, not on their own. as Mina says, there's always one town in a game who happens to have terrible interactions with the scum <3

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:00 am

yep yep. i look forward to you learning some painful lessons post-game <3

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:01 am

sleep well. and my apologies to mina

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:06 am

ungh yeah case me hard

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:13 am

mina don't look!

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:48 am

loool never change meenz

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:56 am

yeah. plus we had a real good case. i dont blame u for being tired

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 5:56 am

*wanders off to get all schadenfreuded up by looking at the MS lynch in the nightless*

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:06 am

meenz u here?

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:08 am

is this real life

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:11 am

why did you do that?

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:18 am

weeeellllllll this just got interesting

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:20 am

I'm trying really hard not to simply see this as the end product of a realisation that Patrick and Mina really don't look like they're gonna budge on me today, and so she will be lynched unless she takes drastic measures

but it's hard

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:20 am

In post 2239, Metal Sonic wrote:

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:29 am

shut up and sleep you nong

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:32 am

where are you?

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:39 am

nooo tell me

mainland china / HK / taiwan?

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 6:40 am

those are my guesses

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 1:34 pm

Stop comparing your scum play to my hypothetical scum play, AGAIN

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 1:43 pm

In post 2251, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 2240, Quilford wrote:I'm trying really hard not to simply see this as the end product of a realisation that Patrick and Mina really don't look like they're gonna budge on me today, and so she will be lynched unless she takes drastic measures

but it's hard

this literally makes zero sense as a viable scum tactic.

great explanation

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:19 pm

Hurry up and do Mina's test

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:24 pm

With the deadline now under 24 hours, there is rapidly becoming no later. Do it already.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:43 pm

In post 2273, Mina wrote:Another example of a town Quilford post:
ALL THE ONES
WHERE HE'S POSTING AND GETTING EMOTIONAL AND BEING TRANSPARENT, BECAUSE HE'S REALLY EASY TO READ, DAMMIT.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:45 pm

Mina whats so town about #2098? Wasn't expecting you to point to that as being a super town post

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:52 pm

Only your teammates and ETL's teammates strongly suspect me anymore I think. And ETL said she doesn't even think her teammates are reading the game. I dont think yours are likely doing any better.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:55 pm

Its not as if the town reads did either you idiot

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:56 pm

You said 'drink the kool aid, its an ongoing thing that peoples teammates read quil scum' and I'm pointing out that it really isn't anymore.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:58 pm

Ah, so youre the only one drinking the kool aid then.

A little sad.

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 2:59 pm

Also you never did say where you were. I'm curious. Tell me and I promise I'll selfvote

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:01 pm

I dont break my promises

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:19 pm

In post 2297, Metal Sonic wrote:ITS POSSIBLE TO CHANGE YOUR META FOR A SPECIAL OCCASION THAT IS TEAM MAFIA 1 TIME ONLY

I legitimately can't tell if youre being facetious

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:24 pm

No it isnt

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 3:33 pm

In post 2096, Quilford wrote:That's not how reads work.

In post 2097, Quilford wrote:I was reading BBmolla as scum based on a number of factors, all of which I thought were pretty convincing in their own right.

But my meta with him suggested to me that often my BB reads were wildly incorrect, so my net read on him swung way back closer to null.

In post 2098, Quilford wrote:Or...

I'd never played with Patrick before, so I was uncertain what to make of his unemotional, straightforward play.

After I meta'd him, I saw that he didn't tend to be very emotional as either town or scum, so I was able to factor out his lack of emotion, which gave me a stronger townread on him.

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Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 11:20 pm

Yeah well not including hydras obviously, because I typically contribute like 5% of all the content

Quilford · Mon May 11, 2015 11:22 pm

Mina, you ready to vote?