Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[TierShift]

THIS IS HOW LONG IT TOOK FOR ME TO SEND A PM

FUCK THIS INTERNET CONNECTION

[TierShift]

TS is textbook active lurking- his posts do a good job of looking town but dont actually try to advance anytihng

I'm sorry, active lurking? What? Do you want me to quote a bunch of my posts that are advancing the shit out of this game?

Are you insane?

Like how the FUCK am I active lurking
How the fuck does that make sense at all

[TierShift]

re 2451 And what motive does a scum roleblocker have to claim to have targetted the obvtown nightkill? Why? Exactly. Tbone is town

The motive is that it is safe as shit and that it's wifomy as fuck and that people are falling for it *cough*

2837 is also covering all bases. Defends grey, if greyice flips scum it pins it on me instead of him
...
Defending greyice while trying to find a way to line up a lynch after greyice should he get lynched.

No, that is ridiculous. Following that logic, everyone who connects two people as having the same alignment is scum.

I made an observation that I think is still valid. You're obviously disagreeing with it, because you still think grey is scum. You're very welcome to do as I asked and explain how you can be of different alignments.

You're also very welcome to explain how me-scum, which seems to hinge on grey-scum, is worth lynching first.

[TierShift]

He claims that "blocking rhinox is a scumclaim" but do you see a vote on tbone in this post? no.

I didn't yet vote, what's your fucking point?

He goes off to "speak to his team" but in reality it just looks like hes waffling around not wanting to be on a mislynch if he doesnt have to be, while also leaving the opportunity open to leave tbone to push tomorrow

Hi I'm NS I know that tiershift didn't go talk to his team because he is scum and I want him lynched

Also I don't have access to his team's PT so I'm just talking bullshit!

Plus I dont think theres anyone actually townreading him but noone seems to want to lynch him for some reason?

Oh we're having this point again? Go count in your previous games how often using this line of reasoning has led to a scumlynch and how often to a town one. This is the easiest, shittiest way to attack someone.

[TierShift]

Hi ceph why are you voting me?

I'll be away for a while now but I just might be confirmable overnight so wait the fuck up

[TierShift]

I'm enjoying reading random pages of this game

Oh well

[TierShift]

Okay, well.

I'm when the mod forgets to send a role PM, a 1-shot self-inventor. Once in the game, I can invent and receive a 1-shot action.

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role, seeing that my role PM explicitly says my action will be 1-shot. Because of this, I have not yet invented and am looking to do so this night.

Self-inventing will count as me targetting myself so I can be confirmed targeting myself by Iece, if he's willing to track me.

[TierShift]

Iece, can you point me to your claim?

Shos, why are you okay with voting together with a big scumread?

[TierShift]

I feel T-bone is more likely scum than Iece.

[TierShift]

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role,

this sounds like total bullshit

My role EXPLICITLY says that I will receive a 1-shot ability upon self-inventing. There is no reason for it to state that unless there is benefit by putting inventing off.

You must understand that standard practice would have been to just say something like : "Upon inventing you receive an ability".

Instead it said that I would receive a 1-shot ability. There is a reason for that.

I know that we might have been overthinking this and that there is a chance that the role would have been the same all along. But the wording implies there is something going on.

Unless you can think of a scum role that self-targets, I think letting Iec track me is a pretty safe course of action.
Of course there is chance of scum RB and such but still

[TierShift]

Instead it said that I would receive a 1-shot ability. There is a reason for that.

but that's what it says? What's the difference?

The difference is that a role that is supposed to be completely hidden from you is announced as being 1-shot.

Think from the mod's perspective.
This is the only way he can hint at that putting off the inventing might be beneficial.

I think letting Iec track me is a pretty safe course of action.

ignoring the fact you're asking me to let the scum tracker track you

what would tracking you accomplish?

Seeing me target myself?

[TierShift]

Uh, I don't see what it is about the wording that really implies it's a good idea to delay it insofar as you have explained it.

I guess you can't really quote the role PM, though.

Re: it proving something, you could just be the scum version of your own role. It would prove that you can target yourself, but that's just kinda uniformly rare rather than rare for scum in particular I think.

I think the scum version of my role is even more messed up than the town version, don't you think?

And? That would make you town because?

Also, no. It is a completely forced conclusion that 1-shot means "stronger the later it is used".

pedit: @tier

I'm not really sure. It would prove that I have a role that targets myself. I don't see how scum have that, though.

Wisdom, why would the mod include that the ability is 1-shot if it's supposed to be completely obscured from me?

I feel like if the Mod wanted a role whose invention gets better over time, he would just say as much in the role PM. Because most players would just use it N1 and he would waste all his potential balancing adventures for later.

Eh, I guess I'm not most players!

My team and I think there is a reason that I need to invent before receiving my role. We are hoping that waiting before inventing will give me a better role, seeing that my role PM explicitly says my action will be 1-shot. Because of this, I have not yet invented and am looking to do so this night.

Tell me something, Tier. Let's say I believe you. Let's say you are telling the truth. Let's even say that things ARE like you and your team believe and you are going to get a stronger role for waiting.

When exactly are you going to use that role? After we lose the game in lylo?

Oh nevermind. I guess you implied you receive the role immediately.

I receive it at daybreak. So not immediately.

When can you use the invention?

After receiving it, I guess?

[TierShift]

Guys I decided that I practicallly don't care
This is, in my opinion, a 1v1 between Gice and Iece.

VOTE: iece

End of story.
Step by step.

How

[TierShift]

As it is, my main issue with your claim is that it looks tailor-made as a way to ask the town to avoid 2 lynches.

I don't get it. I'm only asking you to let myself prove my role tonight. If I'm not targeting myself you can lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

I receive it at daybreak. So not immediately.

So when would you use it then? After the game is over?

Well, if it is night-action, the game could potentially be over when I use it.
If it is day-action, which I'm hoping for, I'm going to use it during day 4.

How

Have you even read?

Actually no but I don't see how the claims conflict. There is a large amount of investigatives, but that is not impossible. Have you read hilariously unbalanced mafia? I would argue that that would have been balanced with one or two fewer investigatives .

[TierShift]

TS can that be a day action or only night action?

Not specified.

Shos, you

were

in HUM. Do you agree with my assessment of that setup?

[TierShift]

Hilariously unbalanced mafia is a) Bastard and b) a game that says it in the fucking title that it's unbalanced.

Did you seriously just use it as an example?

I don't give a shit what the title says. I'm saying that it would have been balanced with a few fewer investigatives, regardless of what it used to be.

But yeah you are fucking scum if you are saying that it's feasible IN A TEAM MAFIA GAME that we have a cop+doc+grey's role+tracker, all town.

Cop is nerfed
doc is nerfed
grey's investigative value is limited
only the tracker isn't

The thing I'm having much more trouble with is the supposed town RB. I'm much more expecting that on the scum side, seeing the town is quite strong if all these town roles are true.

Even if one is false, the RB is still much more town power than any of grey/tracker so I really don't get how you conclude T-bone (and to a lesser extent grey) has to be town and Iece has to be scum

[TierShift]

And yeah, this game is not going to be bastard due to Team Mafia. Relevant to why I don't think TierShift's invention would secretly get stronger.

I don't feel like that is bastard.

[TierShift]

goddammit shos stop doing the same shit as wisdom

[TierShift]

I don't get it. I'm only asking you to let myself prove my role tonight. If I'm not targeting myself you can lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

So waste a track just to check something that is not alignment indicative.

Same bullshit as Ceph's bullshit.

can you shut up thanks

Well, if it is night-action, the game could potentially be over when I use it.

So you're telling me you decided to wager it all on it being a day action instead of just using it on N2, for example.

No. stop the suggestive line of questioning.
I might respond if you stop being a dick.

[TierShift]

at least one of ceph and reck has got to be scum with t-bone.

Wisdom I'm kindly asking you to stop screwing up this game for town

[TierShift]

I might not. But only in the case that it's both night action AND that we lynch ANOTHER two town in the following days, something that doesn't seem likely at all to me.

[TierShift]

right, Iece, but you do feel like it's possible for scum-me to be targeting myself?

[TierShift]

And shos why exactly are you softclaiming?

[TierShift]

Iece, I do somewhat agree with your assessment that it sounds like a don't-lynch-me-card for both today and tomorrow, now that I think about it.

I fakeclaim well as scum...that's all I have to say. There are probably some teammates of you out there who know.

[TierShift]

I might not. But only in the case that it's both night action AND that we lynch ANOTHER two town in the following days, something that doesn't seem likely at all to me.

It's not likely that we lynch town today and in lylo? Really?

Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.

Pedit: I think that you targeting yourself is pretty alignment-neutral. Cabd had a scummy action. Cephrir has a scummy action. The game has seemingly-useless stuff that just helps to make roles less vanilla.

Uh, I don't see how it really makes sense for scum.

Which reminds me that Cephrir is randomly also a miller. I don't think any other random modifiers have been tacked-on to anyone else.

NS doe

[TierShift]

Do you have good fakeclaim examples?

Imma look for you.

Who else is on your team?

egg, cheetory6 and johnnyfarrar.

I'm listening, Tier, what exactly is the thought process?

"I won't use it yet, I will wait until N3 and hope that we have lynched scum so that it's not lylo the next day"?

bye wisdom nice talking to you

[TierShift]

my best fakeclaim

wisdom knows about it.

I was a cult leader who could recruit cultees during the day. My maximum amount of cultees was one, if I recruited another, the previous one would die. Wisdom was my first cultee and as I recruited ffery, I pretended to day-desperado wisdom, which gave me enough credit to play out the game to a win. I also constructed ffery's fakeclaim later on, here:
lovely claim
as she died to make room for my next cultee.

[TierShift]

my very first fakeclaim.
Maybe not as good, but definitely fun and helped me to win the game.

[TierShift]

Well, maybe. It's just not something I use as a basis to make my night actions from.

So the fact the game will fucking end after we lynch town tomorrow and today and you will never use your supposed "OP because I waited 3 nights" actions has no bearing in your choice to wait until N3.

It does.

Okay, look, we just thought I would be alive until N4 and that the game wouldn't have ended by then. That's why we decided not to use it on N2. Simple as that.

[TierShift]

Let me get this straight

1.Shos claims he has been targeted at night
2.Shos claims a role that informs him if he's been targeted at night
3.Shos claims not to have been targeted at night
4.Shos claims he thought he was targeted at night because he received the message early in the day although he did not receive a confirmation he was targeted

This stinks, shos. And do you know of what this stinks? Of the EXACT same thing as my voyeur claim with unmatching crumb in shameless mafia.

I don't see why anyone thinks this is a logical sequence of events. If he were the actual role he claimed, he would NOT have claimed he wasn't targeted.

I can bring up the reference to how shos caught me with a bad crumb to my fakeclaim if anyone wants me to.

But shos, I'm going to catch you here.
VOTE: shos

Really guys, just look at it. He would not EVER post the 'I have been targeted' because that is a fucking crumb if you have this role. And not a crumb of what he has actually claimed.

[TierShift]

Seriously how can you guys all let him off with his apology?

ISO's served tomorrow.

[TierShift]

No it does not.

It does not.

Stop your confbias shit and realise that messing up has nothing to do with the players you are playing with.

[TierShift]

Wisdom, please consider for a moment that I'm town. Which you haven't been able to do since NS started voting me, for some reason. Funny how a little story influences you so much after being sure I'm town, huh?
Or, as I know you're not capable of the first, at least LOOK at what I wrote about shos instead of going: 'oh he accused someone I think is town so he must be scum!!!!! I'm teh best scum catcher ever!'

I have played with shos before and have longer been worried that this wasn't town-him. You have also played with him before and you should know that he can do the town spamposting thing as scum. I'm wondering how you can be so sure he's town.

[TierShift]

And you are not a good player. Yet you are trying to lead town.

Fuck this shit. I'll have the scumteam by tomorrow, so you better give me until then.

[TierShift]

Since you are not listening to anyone.

[TierShift]

oh, let me correct myself. You are a bad town player. I decided that this game.

[TierShift]

You want me to quote all posts that made me think you were obnoxious?

[TierShift]

There are a whole lot!

[TierShift]

The most annoying thing about all this is that you're not even once entertaining the thought that you might be wrong which you have been in this game at least 4 times before because you have pushed every single player

And the passive aggressive remarks

[TierShift]

I noticed your comment about scum trying to discredit you

I AM NOT TRYING TO DO SO

I AM TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU

Can ceph and reck please come in so I can determine which of them is town?

[TierShift]

What approach do town use?

serious question

[TierShift]

Fine, postgame it is.

[TierShift]

Hi shos please respond to the relevant stuff I've been saying

Others please read
This drives me nuts

[TierShift]

It's pretty bizarre that we had ACTIVITY from midnight until 10 AM on a Friday night, and then basically nothing?

Are you people trying to imply that you have normal social lives?

What if I told you that not everyone lives in the USA?

[TierShift]

Seriously guys, shos is scum.

Look at rhinox, who was extremely right about shos's first few day 2 posts. Rhinox, who seemed pretty malleable except for his shos scumread. He's dead now.

That's not a coincidence.
Let me get the post I'm talking about for you.

nop
I'm just a little dazzled at how the hell the katsuki wagon went through
I went to sleep thinking that 99.9999% cabd dies. This suggests, imo, that cabd IS actually scum; but it could really just be coincidence - both wagons were high.
if cabd flips scum, I'm gonna swarm through the katsuki wagon for scum.

This is so cheeky-scum posting. YOU voted kats. You pushed for kats lynch. "oh tee hee kats got lynched? wow thats surprising totally didn't expect that" please... so fucking cheeky.

We need to have a talk about a few things shos.

1) Explain this post:

@mollie - you're going to have to look for yourself, if you know what I mean

2) Why were you so averse to voting Cabd? Over the last 48hrs of D1 you called Cabd scum, you said you would hammer either cabd or kats and reiterated that throughout the day. You called for town to focus in on Cabd or Kats because "ZOMG NO LYNCH" but then you tried to speed wagon tbone and humored the thought of a speedwagon on ceph even closer to deadline. By the end of the day you were all "rah rah everyone vote kats nao" and when you went to bed you seemed dejected cabd might get lynched with your whole "fuck it don't care just lynch cabd". And now today after you waffle on Cabd in 1401 you call him useless lynchbait who is only maybe scum but only because of the kats lynch. But back in 1071 you said Cabd was scum. So what happened between 1071 and 1401 that made you think Cabd is town, expect maybe only scum based on not his play but kats flipping town?


to be continued...

Can you guys at least listen to a confirmed town player, who was killed and had shos as only serious scumread?

At least, like, try to read my posts and comment n them? Reck? Ceph? Grey? Iece?

[TierShift]

And you're voting me because

[TierShift]

Okay, you're voting me and not engaging my viewpoints because

[TierShift]

So what you're saying is that I am scum and killed Rhinox because he was scumreading me?

yes, scum kill those who have good reads. That's basic knowledge.

wouldn't scum, supposedly, attempt to kill the tracker if the tracker was truly town? do you think Rhinox would have been a good candidate for being the tracker?

IMPORTANT

Wait, why did rhinox NOT make a good candidate for the tracker?

Let me get this straight

1.Shos claims he has been targeted at night
2.Shos claims a role that informs him if he's been targeted at night
3.Shos claims not to have been targeted at night
4.Shos claims he thought he was targeted at night because he received the message early in the day although he did not receive a confirmation he was targeted

This stinks, shos. And do you know of what this stinks? Of the EXACT same thing as my voyeur claim with unmatching crumb in shameless mafia.

I don't see why anyone thinks this is a logical sequence of events. If he were the actual role he claimed, he would NOT have claimed he wasn't targeted.

I can bring up the reference to how shos caught me with a bad crumb to my fakeclaim if anyone wants me to.

But shos, I'm going to catch you here.
VOTE: shos

Really guys, just look at it. He would not EVER post the 'I have been targeted' because that is a fucking crumb if you have this role. And not a crumb of what he has actually claimed.

He explained it and it makes perfect sense.

and this.
In short: I had a small fight with the mod in PMs because the *DAY ACTION* that I received was gotten *LITERALLY FIVE MINUTES* from when the day started, so I was sure it's a night action.

READ THE FUCKING THREAD

Yes, I read the fucking thread. By doing that, I noticed that your story is full of holes. You have an ability that EXPLICITLY informs you if you have been targeted at night.
If you then post that you HAVE BEEN TARGETED AT NIGHT, that means you are crumbing that you have received a pm saying you were targeted.
ANYTHING
ELSE
IS
NOT
FUCKING
POSSIBLE

[TierShift]

So. Assuming this table is complete and correct:

Player	Role Flavor	Role	Additional role	Additional info
Katsuki	"When the mod forgets to lock the thread"	1-shot Thread Unlocker	Miller	Lynched D1
Bins	"When the mod ties alignment to flavor"	Conditional Cop		Killed N1
Cabd	"When the mod doesn't replace lurkers"	Limited Vote Mover		Lynched D2. Could control the votes of players who haven't posted in 48 hours
Rhinox	When the mod plays favorites"	Loud Doctor		Killed N2
LIVING PLAYERS:
Cephrir	"When the mod messes up the VC"	Vote Switcher	Miller	Switched shos and NS' votes on N2
GreyICE	"When the mod doesn't replace players before the night ends"	Night-Action Cop		N1: Tbone has a night ability N2: notscience does not have a night ability
Iecerint	"When the mod gives results to the wrong player"	Amnesiac Tracker		Chooses both the tracked person and who gets the result. N1 tracked Ceph, gave to Tbone N2 tracked Reck, gave to Rhinox
notscience			Hated	GreyICE says he has no night actions
shos	"When the mod confirms the action to the wrong player"	Modified Self-Watcher		The ability counts as active. Not targetted N1. Not targetted N2.
T-Bone	"When the mod forgets a night action"	Roleblocker		Blocked Eddie N1 Blocked Rhinox N2 Claimed to have received Iecerint's Track result - Ceph went nowhere.
TierShift	"When the mod forgets to send a role PM"	1-shot self-inventor		1s ability has yet to be invented
Wisdom	"When the mod just has to comment"	Messenger		Messaged Reck D1 Messaged shos D2
xRECKONERx	"When the mod keeps score"	Points Awarder		Controlled the 'score' thingie

ohey, now I remember where I remember this table from.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p6708763
right there, where you were scum. Weren't you being just as helpful there as you're being here? Helpful shos is certainly town, isn't he?

I really don't have much to say other than that shos's story is OBVIOUSLY full of holes and that I don't get why everyone thinks he's town with no one wanting or able to explain and that I'm really sad everyone wants to lynch me instead. Please look at ceph/reck tomorrow if I get hammered.

[TierShift]

Yes, I read the fucking thread. By doing that, I noticed that your story is full of holes. You have an ability that EXPLICITLY informs you if you have been targeted at night.
If you then post that you HAVE BEEN TARGETED AT NIGHT, that means you are crumbing that you have received a pm saying you were targeted.
ANYTHING
ELSE
IS
NOT
FUCKING
POSSIBLE

No, it does not mean that. It means he received Eddie's message and thought it was a night action. Since he received no PM from the mod regarding his action, his action could have malfunctioned. It's entirely plausible.

No, you do NOT fucking ASSUME your action malfunctioned. And you definitely do not CRUMB that your action DID work.

ohey, now I remember where I remember this table from.
viewtopic.php?p=6708763#p6708763
right there, where you were scum. Weren't you being just as helpful there as you're being here? Helpful shos is certainly town, isn't he?

So because he tried to be helpful as scum means he can't be helpful as town?

No, I'm just telling you that you shouldn't be deceived by his helpfulness. Don't twist my words.