Newbie 2063 | Sweets | Game Over

[Seanzie]

Heyo!

So uh... anyone want to give me a three sentence recap of the game right now?

[Seanzie]

everone walks around day doing nothing. vfp claims cop. vfp lims meuh. scum kills vfp who was actually mason. symbyosis does stuff then gets replaced by dum. we lim dum. scum kill whemestar. we're at today and we think alicek is mafia so if you could kindly vote alicek so we could possibly win the game that would be awesome. thanks.

Okay. Just to clarify, Meuh was mafia, and we have one mafia left?

How long until EoD? Is there a hammer?

What is the case on Alicek? I'll read the whole game, but it will help to have some context on what is going on right now.

[Seanzie]

T3, it looks like you were suspecting my slot pretty heavily until recently, where you flipped to suspecting AliceK. Can you tell me what changed in regards to your read on my slot and Alice?

[Seanzie]

Not really a slip but essentially piggybacking of something I said to make it seem like a "town virtue" in a sense.

you're going to have to tell me more about this. Right now, I don't feel good about your progression from me to AliceK at all.

[Seanzie]

Okay, I just read Meuh's ISO, and I think Meuh/PearofClubs have reasonable teammate equity.

I also think Meuh/T3 interactions are interesting, but I am not sure what to conclude. I'd like to hear more from T3 though either way, as I think hearing from them will help me sort them.

Meuh pushed both Weuler and The Bulge in ways that didn't necessarily look like distancing/scum theater. I wouldn't fullclear either of them off this, but a few town points to each.

I am thinking {T3,AliceK} is a winning PoE. Aside from the other questions I've lobbed at T3, the only other thing I am particularly curious about right now is why they are still alive.

[Seanzie]

Yeah, I'm like 90% there on AliceK. Will wait to hear T3 before threatening a hammer just for good measure though.

[Seanzie]

T3, it looks like you were suspecting my slot pretty heavily until recently, where you flipped to suspecting AliceK. Can you tell me what changed in regards to your read on my slot and Alice?

The lets not elim masons thing.

And why exactly is that suspicious? I also don't think we should eliminate the mason.

[Seanzie]

The Bulge, AliceK, Weuler,

What are your folks' read on T3 right now?

[Seanzie]

T3, it looks like you were suspecting my slot pretty heavily until recently, where you flipped to suspecting AliceK. Can you tell me what changed in regards to your read on my slot and Alice?

The lets not elim masons thing.

And why exactly is that suspicious? I also don't think we should eliminate the mason.

Yeah but the fact she was here and not engaging with the thread. She then says lets not elim mason with no contribution around it. It seems she isscum who isn't sure how to contribute so ends of almost faking town virtue.

So it seems to me your read on her is just because she has contributed the least.

I agree that this places her strongly in my PoE since she has not given enough information for me to find her town.

Do you agree with me that The Bulge and Weuler are probably town?

[Seanzie]

Almost 100% on the bulge, probably Weuler.

Okay. Let me look more into Weuler just to make sure I am confident in my read of him.

If after looking at him again, I decide that I am confident he is town, here is what I'm going to do:

I'm going to ask you if you are the mason. If you aren't, I am probably going to vote you and ask others to do the same. If you are, I am going to announce my intent to hammer AliceK, and then do it as long as there is no CC.

Either way, I think {T3,AliceK} is a winning PoE here, but again before I fully commit to that, I want to give Weuler one more good look.

[Seanzie]

Okay, yes Weuler's ISO looks fine. There are reasonably well thought out ideas in there, the only thing that worries me about him is that he seemed to lose steam after D1, which can be indicative of a teammate dying. However, since D1 is super long, this is probably not the case, ergo Weuler is probably town.

T3, are you the mason? Reading Meuh and VFP's ISOs, I got conflicting pings that suggested you very well could be either the mason or Meuh's partner.

[Seanzie]

T3 claimed VT. let's please just kill alice

Do you have a reason to townread T3?

I am okay killing Alice, but if we do that, I want to make sure that if we don't win and I die tonight, my reads influence F3.

[Seanzie]

VOTE: T3 E-2 I think?

[Seanzie]

T3, what makes you so sure The Bulge is town?

[Seanzie]

T3, what makes you so sure The Bulge is town?

Gut and play around the meuh hammer.

Tell me more about The Bulge's play around the Meuh hammer. Why does that make him townie in your opinion?

[Seanzie]

I see where VFP is coming from vs Meuh even if the logic has some holes, but I don't know what slip they're talking about. I think they probably do believe they've found something tho, regardless of either of their alignments. VFP either thinks they've found scum or is scum who thinks they've found something solid to push. but it doesn't sound contrived so I'm curious to hear about this slip

Seemed very towny to me.

Did you figure out what the slip was?

[Seanzie]

Eh, whatever.

AliceK, I intend to vote you, which will cause your death. If you are mason, please speak now.

[Seanzie]

If I don't hear from her by tomorrow morning, I'm hammering.

[Seanzie]

AliceK has not posted for over a day, and I am not a patient man.

I hope she is scum, but if we aren't done, T3 I am still not a fan.

So if I die in the night, town keep up the good fight, and look into T3/Meuh.

Now with the hammer of Thor and a poem that will bore, AliceK, I choose you.

VOTE: AliceK

[Seanzie]

Do I have to @ our host or anything since I think this is hammer?

[Seanzie]

@minimegabyte

[Seanzie]

The host is in Kangaroo time zone so she was probably sleeping.

Oh, fair.

[Seanzie]

UNVOTE: unvote

VOTE: AliceK

I hope this isn't the issue.

[Seanzie]

:/

[Seanzie]

T3, before any masons out themselves, tell me your thoughts on both me and The Bulge.

[Seanzie]

I'm surpirsed bulge survived the night.

So far you've been very terse with all your thoughts. Are there quotes you can bring up about Bulge to help me see what you see with regard to him?

Also, I'm still waiting to hear from you about me.

[Seanzie]

Okay, well T3, I intend to vote you. If you've been lying about not being a mason, please let me know right now.

[Seanzie]

Eh? T3? Come play. We can probably end this today so you don't have to suffer through 7 days of F3 hell.

[Seanzie]

Are you claiming vt?

T3, I'm not claiming anything. I am telling you to full-claim never-rescind before I vote you.

[Seanzie]

VOTE: The Bulge

I really thoht The Bulge was going to be mason there, but his vote right now proves otherwise.

T3, sorry I was wrong about you, the game is now in your hands.

[Seanzie]

Well, I actually wasn't wrong about you, I had you pegged as either mason or scum. When you claimed not mason, I thought you were scum:P

[Seanzie]

I know who I wanna vote but obviously ill wait for the claim, I'm not gonna bet the game on my gut lol

^this is scum biding their time until the mason claims. You never don't voice your read here as town.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie heads or tals?

Don't use luck to decide this. Actually read and question us.

[Seanzie]

I know who I wanna vote but obviously ill wait for the claim, I'm not gonna bet the game on my gut lol

^this is scum biding their time until the mason claims. You never don't voice your read here as town.

and give you a headstart at the most crucial point of the game? nah

ftr I've had t3 solidly as mason since vfp flipped. If I were scum he would be long dead.

O really?

mornin

what are everyone's thoughts on outting our mason today?

This post suggests otherwise. You never call for a mason to out if you are town and know who they are.

[Seanzie]

read that post again and show me where I call for the mason to out.

You asking for people's thoughts about outing the mason is very clearly indirectly calling for the mason to out. You can try to play dumb, but given your level of experience in the game, town!you would know that.

[Seanzie]

Good job Bulge. Scum wins.

T3, tip for F3, I know it sucks to do it, but if you're cleared in F3, you need to take your time and put in the work.

[Seanzie]

T3, I will say you did a good job of dodging the NK. I was confident The Bulge wasn't the mason, so I thought it was Weuler. If I was scum in that situation, I probably would have made the same shot.

[Seanzie]

Good job Bulge. Scum wins.

T3, tip for F3, I know it sucks to do it, but if you're cleared in F3, you need to take your time and put in the work.

Yeah I read your isos and was like: ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh............. bulge is scummier than i first thought but I can't ignore kris not doing anything so I hammered.

Inactivity reads are really tough. It is the sort of thing you want to get rid of before a Fx situation because you can't read them, but the actual accuracy of inactivity reads is really bad (and probably even worse for beginner games - you might as well be eliminating at random at that point).

[Seanzie]

Like AliceK, I was okay chopping her because I didn't want someone with her ISO in F3, but I didn't think it had a huge chance of actually flipping scum.

[Seanzie]

Activity patterns are important though. People starting out strong, but then dropping off is >rand scum, especially if something happens like a teammate is chopped.

[Seanzie]

Anyways, good game y'all! Wish I could have played from the beginning to better clear my slot, but it is what it is. This was fun though!

[Seanzie]

"at least he dodged the nk" is a good eulogy for me in mafia.

Did you just start playing in February, or do you come from another site?