Mewbie: 2092 [Finished]

[Alianna]

VOTE: Somnus

Convince me you didn't roll scum again.

[Alianna]

Good meowning mewbies! VOTE: Alianna

Good meowning, thanks for the vote! :)

[Alianna]

I am going to VOTE: Alianna because that's the opposite direction from my internal biases

Unfortunately, your internal biases were correct.

[Alianna]

I will do everything in my power to squash this insurrection. *brandishes knife*

[Alianna]

*Nightkills Alianna and roleblocks them for good measure*

Unfortunately, I'm an Ascetic Ninja Triple-Investigative Bulletproof Doublevoting Cop with moderator powers! *modkills you*

[Alianna]

VOTE: Somnus

Convince me you didn't roll scum again.

I in fact did not roll scum again.

This is weird. I actually have to work on solving the game. I don’t know how I feel about this, my favorite roll of toilet paper with a knife.

Call me toilet paper one more time and I'll modkill you too!

[Alianna]

I can see why it would feel weird, playing your first towngame after rolling scum twice. Best of luck. That is, if you're telling the truth.

[Alianna]

You certainly seem to have a lust for blood in this game. You realize you won’t be able to kill anyone until Night 1, right?

VOTE: furtiveglance
Putting furtive at E-3 so N1 comes even faster.

[Alianna]

I realised I didn't actually sign up for violent revolution, I am just part of the Anti- cat puns Alliance. Maybe I can play Kerensky

Opposition to cat puns is inherently violent.

[Alianna]

Even though I started this can I suggest we get back to the game?

In leiu of that here are some reads


I townrwad furtive for post #13, it doesn't look like a scum response.

I'm townreading Somnus until given compelling evidence otherwise, the chance of rolling scum 3 newbie games in a row is very small

Past games don't affect your rolls in future games. The probability of Somnus being scum this game is no different than anyone's chance in any newbie game. It's just the chance of three consecutive games all being scum that's really low. They're still more likely town than not, though.

[Alianna]

I am going to VOTE: Alianna because that's the opposite direction from my internal biases

Unfortunately, your internal biases were correct.

town!Alianna easily makes this joke
scum!Alianna would be cognitively distanced from the joke because it's possible I'm biased against her partner
locktown UNVOTE:

I personally wouldn't locktown someone without a literal cop inno, but you aren't wrong.

[Alianna]

I would locktown you with a cop guilty

LOL.

[Alianna]

Oh no, an SE has me as Lockscum already! I'm frozen. I should make a joke. How did they know? Accuse them of cheating. No. Pretend I didn't see their post. Ignore it forever, just like my coursework.

Hello everyone, I've been told it's scummy to greet the game but I want to anyway. I look forward to playing with you all :)

I will keep my vote for now so when I do drop it it's (hopefully) less random.

oooooh i so want to read this post for alignment aaahhh

Isis already on my wavelength is plus.

Kinda wish I had gone with my gut and voted furtive over fish. Aliannas vote choice would have been more informative.

Informative how? (sorry, me is dum n00b)

[Alianna]

Oh no, an SE has me as Lockscum already! I'm frozen. I should make a joke. How did they know? Accuse them of cheating. No. Pretend I didn't see their post. Ignore it forever, just like my coursework.

Hello everyone, I've been told it's scummy to greet the game but I want to anyway. I look forward to playing with you all :)

I will keep my vote for now so when I do drop it it's (hopefully) less random.

oooooh i so want to read this post for alignment aaahhh

Isis already on my wavelength is plus.

Kinda wish I had gone with my gut and voted furtive over fish. Aliannas vote choice would have been more informative.

Informative how? (sorry, me is dum n00b)

Err well thinking down the line an early wagon on furtive would pull partner pairing info out. If I was already on the wagon and you +furtive are paired it's less likely you join with momentum or the kind of pivot reasoning you have for the vote now.

So I kind of missed the train on that line of thought and the call for consolidation is not so useable.

Ok, thanks. that makes sense.

[Alianna]

I am going to VOTE: Alianna because that's the opposite direction from my internal biases

Unfortunately, your internal biases were correct.

town!Alianna easily makes this joke
scum!Alianna would be cognitively distanced from the joke because it's possible I'm biased against her partner
locktown UNVOTE:

I've been thinking about this post.
I don't think it's impossible that scum!me would say that. I have no idea who you were actually biased against. They could have been my hypothetical scumbuddy, but statistically they were probably a townie. When I answered the post, I was referring mostly to the fact that your internal bias to not scumread me was correct.
I can see you having that line of thought and townleaning me, but a locktown is extreme. If I'm not mistaken, you've decided based on a single early-game joke post that you will be hard-townreading me all game. You aren't even a bit skeptical?
I am concerned that you think I'm town because you

know

I'm town and might be trying to pocket me (probably used that term wrong). The finger of suspicion is on you.

[Alianna]

The game has gotten off to a bit of a slow start, but given the 10 day deadline, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world. We're presumably going to have a new player soon and hopefully we can all start picking each other's brains.

Alianna, where you at? Don't make me read you based solely on tone and charisma the whole game, plz.

My disjointed thoughts so far:

Somnus:
Not quite sure how to sort you yet, but I'm giving you town points for asking me that. It seems as if you're putting in more effort to scumhunt.

furtiveglance:
38, 48 - Discuss pairs. Not sure if that means anything but might be good to go back to later.
116 - I like their read on Goldfish.
Also, not alignment-related, but the second part of 13 is pretty much what I had originally planned to say in my first post.

GoldfishFromTheMoon:
Seems very town, can't quite explain why at the moment, may come back to this, subject to change.

Isis: They have some strange logic.
54 - Already commented.
55, 72 - Though they didn't have a strong read, the reasoning for the read seemed random. If I'm not mistaken, RVS was over by that point.
121 - I would like to hear why they voted Meg.

MegAzumarill:
I decided to look through some of their prior games. Their lack of substantial posts in the early game seems to be just playstyle rather than something AI.

The others, I don't have much on for varying reasons.

[Alianna]

I appreciate she/her pronouns if you can manage.

I'm going to move my vote to VOTE: furtive glance because 116 seems kind of.. idk it's maybe a je ne se qua (sp?) thing that it feels like thoughts reasonable to produce for the game but not ones that were produced. Maybe a bit of umpire tone that correlates with scum some.

I may very well be falling for something but MegAzumarill's claim that townies are scumreading them looks like townie antics to me.

Umpire tone?
(also, it is spelled “je ne sais quoi” but I got what you meant)

[Alianna]

You might have clicked the Q+ button on it without realizing? Idk.

[Alianna]

Hmm. Idk then.

[Alianna]

Alianna

: 74 is her most interesting post so far. If you read it assuming town!Alianna, they are town afraid of being pocketed. But I think scum!Alianna makes more sense here - as if scum!Alianna has been given a jokey 'locktown' and is ambitiously levering herself onto even higher ground by suspecting Isis (which, by the way, came out of absolutely nowhere). Adding my Isis townread onto this interaction and it looks bad for Alianna. Her reads in 139 are guilty of townreading too many players, which is more often scum-indicative in my experience. It looks like they are tentatively setting up a push on Isis, but haven't committed to that yet, instead leaving their RVS vote on me. I also don't like that they missed out some players in 139, but I can understand why. For now it's a tentative scumlean. Alianna - if you had to guess one mafia right now, who is your top pick?

UNVOTE: RCEnigma

VOTE: Alianna

1. I should really UNVOTE: . I understand that not doing so looked suspicious and that doing so now probably looks even more suspicious. I have no idea why I didn't do it in 139.
2. I only townread three people - you, Somnus, and Goldfish (coincidentally, the three others from 2090 - idk if I'm just finding it easier to read people I've played with or if I'm biased). Excluding myself, there are six other townies in the game. I wouldn't call that too many townreads. In case it seemed otherwise, my comment on MegAzumarill was not a TR, they were at E-2 and I didn't like that they were being voted for doing something that is NAI for them. They could very well still be scum, the case against them just wasn't very good.
3. As for my top scum pick…I can see I’m about to look sus here. I don’t really have one. I can see scum!Isis, but I wouldn’t vote her. I’ve also got three players I haven’t been able to comment on. I would like if Echo would talk more and Enigma would share their theories.
4. I will attempt to respond later to what you’ve said about 74.

[Alianna]

VOTE: RCEnigma

hi :D

Moar, plz.

Yes, please offer your thoughts on the game. We can't read you off of one post.

[Alianna]

I found it suspicious how much confidence she seemed to have in a read based on very little evidence. A TR like that would be a gamble for town to make. Scum already know who is town, so theoretically they don't have to question their reads as much.

[Alianna]

did i move my vote off furtive i cant remember and the mod ionly priomises me a postcount

You haven't moved your vote.

Goldfish has posted a lot but it's mostly things like this, being helpful without scumhunting. There's also lots of fence-sitting. This is scummy.

I like this post. Now that I think about it, Goldfish hasn't given a lot of analysis or explained her reads much. I am seriously rethinking my TR.
Can you give examples of where you've seen her fence-sitting?

[Alianna]

Ok, I can see that.

[Alianna]

Must have page top.

[Alianna]

Must have page top.

I thought page top was normally reserved for the mod.

Sometimes. Not always.

[Alianna]

If people are thinking Goldfish/Meg for day 1, I'd like to keep Meg alive. Still sussing Alianna but if no one wants that I will move my vote.

I don't think I could validate voting Meg out today either.

[Alianna]

I'll hop on the bandwagon!

VOTE: Alianna

[Alianna]

But not seriously. I'm afraid you're alone in that wish.

UNVOTE:

[Alianna]

I'll hop on the bandwagon!

VOTE: Alianna

But not seriously. I'm afraid you're alone in that wish.

UNVOTE:

Wow, this joke is super scummy. Feels like scum worried about an actual bandwagon forming then joking about it to ease their fears.

Town wouldn't worry about a bandwagon forming on them. They wouldn't even think about the possibility.

Alianna seems super fixated on it.

I'm sorry but this is just not true. A town player would be very concerned about a wagon forming on them because it could cause a miselimination.

And as for not even thinking about the possibility that's ridiculous, miselminations and bandwagons against town happen all the time, it's definitely a possibility.

Allowing a yourself to be miseliminated as town would be playing against your win condition. Town win by correctly eliminating scum.

That is correct.

[Alianna]

Goldfish is probably a good elim even though I like her. She's managed to post a lot about the game without sounding as solvy as other slots, up to and including furtive

Completely agreed.
Time to get the wagon rolling!

VOTE: GoldfishFromTheMoon

[Alianna]

VOTE: Ryno56

At the moment they're looking like the scummiest player to me. They started off the game by voting meg for something they were doing at the time. Their explanation really didn't cut it for me and almost felt like they were trying to buddy up with me. This strange argument about miselimination seems designed to distract people from the game, and Ryno's points don't make sense but they're doubling down on them anyway. Do you know who likes miselimination? Scum! And Ryno. His reason for voting Alianna (who I townread) is again his strange reasoning that Town shouldn't care about wagons on themself. All this inferred from a joke Alianna made where she voted herself when furtive asked for a wagon on her. Looking through the game I'm seeing a Ryno/furtive scum pair, they seem to back each other up a lot, although most of it is indirectly, and their reasons for townreading each other are a bit shakey. Ryno also started the game (properly, not counting the two cat jokes in the first couple of pages) by after voting meg, seeming like they were buddying up to me - who at the time was considered on of furtives allies because of the anti cat pun aliance.

Their play is definitely scummy, but the thing that makes me hesitate is their past games. I skimmed through their ISOs in those games (both town PRs, btw) and I don't see a lot of difference. They have a lot of shaky reasoning like that. Still undeniably anti-town though.

[Alianna]

I can't say I'm necessarily opposed to voting them.

[Alianna]

I don't think we should eliminate anyone until EchoV's replacement has a chance to contribute.

Agreed.

[Alianna]

VOTE: Ryno56

At the moment they're looking like the scummiest player to me. They started off the game by voting meg for something they were doing at the time. Their explanation really didn't cut it for me and almost felt like they were trying to buddy up with me. This strange argument about miselimination seems designed to distract people from the game, and Ryno's points don't make sense but they're doubling down on them anyway. Do you know who likes miselimination? Scum! And Ryno. His reason for voting Alianna (who I townread) is again his strange reasoning that Town shouldn't care about wagons on themself. All this inferred from a joke Alianna made where she voted herself when furtive asked for a wagon on her. Looking through the game I'm seeing a Ryno/furtive scum pair, they seem to back each other up a lot, although most of it is indirectly, and their reasons for townreading each other are a bit shakey. Ryno also started the game (properly, not counting the two cat jokes in the first couple of pages) by after voting meg, seeming like they were buddying up to me - who at the time was considered on of furtives allies because of the anti cat pun aliance.

Their play is definitely scummy, but the thing that makes me hesitate is their past games. I skimmed through their ISOs in those games (both town PRs, btw) and I don't see a lot of difference. They have a lot of shaky reasoning like that. Still undeniably anti-town though.

Which games were these? I'd like to go read them.

Newbie 1926 (cop) and Newbie 1928 (doc).

[Alianna]

Welcome!

[Alianna]

Yeah. And if we eliminate Goldfish, especially if she flips red, we get associative info from the ACPA thing.

[Alianna]

*sighs*

[Alianna]

Yeah. And if we eliminate Goldfish, especially if she flips red, we get associative info from the ACPA thing.

Will you call me town if Goldfish is town? Didn't think so.

This is clearly scum. Alianna is not so dense as to suppose that a mafia team would pair under the guise of a townbloc on the first page. This post is LAMIST (Look at me I'm so town) and not actual solving.

You're right. I'm not that dense. I never said anything about thinking you and Goldfish were a scumteam.

[Alianna]

Yeah. And if we eliminate Goldfish, especially if she flips red, we get associative info from the ACPA thing.

Will you call me town if Goldfish is town? Didn't think so.

This is clearly scum. Alianna is not so dense as to suppose that a mafia team would pair under the guise of a townbloc on the first page. This post is LAMIST (Look at me I'm so town) and not actual solving.

You're right. I'm not that dense. I never said anything about thinking you and Goldfish were a scumteam.

The ACPA included only me and Goldfish, as far as I recall. Who else in the game could a Goldfish red flip give info on? Explain what you were implying.

I was intending to talk about this more after said flip, but I do recall Somnus and RCE discussing the townblock (can't remember exactly what was said). And for the record, if Goldfish flips red, that makes you pretty much conftown in my eyes. As for a green flip, not sure yet.

[Alianna]

Hold no longer required. I'll give it 20 posts. This will make sense on page ~10-11

???
VOTE: Unvote

There is an unvote tag, it's (unvote)(/unvote) but with square brackets.

[Alianna]

I see I'm at E-2. I don't plan on claiming until I absolutely have to, make of that what you will.

[Alianna]

Damn I wrote that before I read how much that argument was distracting from the game.
Anyway at the start I thought alianna was town but later on she seems like scum.
Also is skipping a thing on this site. Like skipping a vote?

What changed your mind on Alianna?

Fence sitting
When she voted then unvoted herself as a joke
And she townread Goldfish but then voted her

I townread Goldfish at the beginning of the game based on practically nothing and then took back my read after realizing it was based on practically nothing.

[Alianna]

@Meg

Why are you voting for RCE?

[Alianna]

I can't say I want a no-lim either, but I don't like either of the wagons we have going. RCE is a null read for me. Their push for a claim was scummy, but that's really the only thing I can find. I think Goldfish is a better elimination for reasons I've already talked about. And I'm obviously not going to put myself at E-1.

[Alianna]

Let me guess, I haven't moved from last readslist?

[Alianna]

UNVOTE:

Will decide later if I want to put it back.

[Alianna]

I just played an April fools game where everyone was a townie. It was pretty interesting.
(I play mafia elsewhere too)
Also I feel like furtives flip flop was kinda towny because scum wouldn't risk it.

Seconded.

[Alianna]

Unofficial votecount because a lot of stuff happened:

RCEnigma: (E-1) MegAzumarill, Isis, furtiveglance, Ryno56
Alianna: (1) Cat.Jpeg
furtiveglance: (1) RCEnigma
GoldfishFromTheMoon: (1) Somnus


Not Voting (2): Alianna, GoldfishFromTheMoon

[Alianna]

Claim acknowledged, no counter.

@RCE, why didn't you claim at E-2?

[Alianna]

I'd say something in response but I don't think it would matter.

[Alianna]

At this point, I'd vote myself (as in unironically) if that wasn't blatantly anti-town. I have not been enjoying this game.

[Alianna]

At this point, I think RCE is legit. Everyone has posted since the tracker claim and nobody has CCed. If somebody did, I'd be more inclined to think they were mafia who took some time deciding whether to CC.

[Alianna]

I need to stop saying "at this point" lol.

[Alianna]

Lol.

[Alianna]

At a point not so long ago, I was about to type up a wallpost listing everyone as a null read. At this point, I am no longer considering doing that but still have no clue who the mafia are.

[Alianna]

wow that's so helpful.

anyway meg and isis are no longer null to me
I townlean meg and scumlean isis

Why do you make those reads?

[Alianna]

I’m going to make an actual readslist tonight but for now:

Alianna - locktown
RCE - almost locktown
Cat - noob in a good way
Ryno - probably town but need to ISO
furtive - probably also town
Somnus - hmmmmmmm
Meg - idk
Goldfish - idk
Isis - was going to TR but now not so sure

[Alianna]

The actual readslist:

RCEnigma

Confirmed town.

Ryno56

Though I agree with almost nothing they’ve said this game, I still think they’re most likely town. furtive has already put this way better than I can so I’m just going to quote it.

Ryno seems to be trying to solve, making good points which actually pertain to other players i.e. analysis not information, and they clearly aren't afraid to ruffle feathers.

Somnus

Their play has seemed town and there are definitely differences from last game, but the possibility of a “threepeat” clouds things. I don’t want to vote them today though.

furtiveglance

A bold player. They go against the grain with their reads and bring up points others haven’t thought of (best example is the read on Somnus in 349). They also aren’t afraid to put pressure on their scumreads. Whether this points towards town or scum, though, I’m not sure.

Cat.Jpeg

They give me town vibes, but I am wary of trusting a read based only on vibes or gut feeling. If you want to know why, read Newbie 2090.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

Idk.

MegAzumarill

Because they are a reserved player, this is a hard slot to read. Currently (see, I avoided saying “at this point” this time), though, I do think they’re less towny than a lot of the others.

Isis

I did a bit of a 180 from what I said in the “draft’ readslist. I’ve gone through her entire ISO and nothing makes me want to TR her. This is not to say that everything she has posted is scummy, rather that I have noticed nothing that sticks out as town. I will leave it at that for now.

I will hold my vote until I have a better idea of what town wants to do. There are a few wagons I wouldn’t mind (and a few I would absolutely hate).

Also, a note: I don’t think we can SR anyone for being wishy-washy or flipping reads this game, given that that applies to quite a few people.

[Alianna]

I'm pretty sure every player has been online since RCEnigma claimed, which means there is not counterclaim coming so I think RCEnigma is telling the truth.

As I stated in 407, yes.

[Alianna]

The actual readslist:

RCEnigma

Confirmed town.

Ryno56

Though I agree with almost nothing they’ve said this game, I still think they’re most likely town. furtive has already put this way better than I can so I’m just going to quote it.

Ryno seems to be trying to solve, making good points which actually pertain to other players i.e. analysis not information, and they clearly aren't afraid to ruffle feathers.

Somnus

Their play has seemed town and there are definitely differences from last game, but the possibility of a “threepeat” clouds things. I don’t want to vote them today though.

furtiveglance

A bold player. They go against the grain with their reads and bring up points others haven’t thought of (best example is the read on Somnus in 349). They also aren’t afraid to put pressure on their scumreads. Whether this points towards town or scum, though, I’m not sure.

Cat.Jpeg

They give me town vibes, but I am wary of trusting a read based only on vibes or gut feeling. If you want to know why, read Newbie 2090.

GoldfishFromTheMoon

Idk.

MegAzumarill

Because they are a reserved player, this is a hard slot to read. Currently (see, I avoided saying “at this point” this time), though, I do think they’re less towny than a lot of the others.

Isis

I did a bit of a 180 from what I said in the “draft’ readslist. I’ve gone through her entire ISO and nothing makes me want to TR her. This is not to say that everything she has posted is scummy, rather that I have noticed nothing that sticks out as town. I will leave it at that for now.

I will hold my vote until I have a better idea of what town wants to do. There are a few wagons I wouldn’t mind (and a few I would absolutely hate).

Also, a note: I don’t think we can SR anyone for being wishy-washy or flipping reads this game, given that that applies to quite a few people.

Could you expand on which wagons you hate and which ones you wouldn't mind/are unsure about

I'd be okay with a wagon on Meg, Isis, mayyyyyybe you but not sure. I want to keep the rest alive.

[Alianna]

Oh, wow. I get back and Meg is at E-1.

[Alianna]

I don't know if I should hammer.

[Alianna]

Ok, screw it. It's looking like this or a no-lim.

VOTE: MegAzumarill

[Alianna]

I feel like I'm going to end up regretting that.

[Alianna]

Plot twist: Meg isn't joking and is actually a mason.

[Alianna]

Alianna gives me massive scum vibes... And Alianna now being suspicious of Meg (all of a sudden) makes me think they are scum setting up a bus, thinking Meg might be executed today and wanting to get there early. But also not committing either way.

'Waiting to see what town wants to do'. Talking as though they are not even IN the town.

Scummy as heck.

Notice Meg is still hanging back, barely committing to anything, barely contributing (except to defend themself from my argument against them)

Alianna-Meg scum team

Game solved

I will concede that I did a bad job phrasing that. What I meant was more that I was willing to cooperate with the rest of town as long as the wagon was decent. Since we were so close to the deadline, it wouldn't be worth pushing a wagon that was never going to gain traction.

[Alianna]

I mean I flip town so yeah

Oof. If that's true then Ryno's "solve" is double-wrong because I'm town too.

[Alianna]

@Meg

Any final reads?

[Alianna]

Oh wait, you gave those at E-1.

[Alianna]

I posted them at e1
They haven't changed

Yeah, I just have a goldfish memory.

[Alianna]

No offense to Goldfish.

[Alianna]

That’s one I wasn’t expecting.

@RCE
Results?

[Alianna]

UNVOTE: RCEnigma

I think Alianna is scummy but don't want to vote her today anymore, with a specific reason in mind that is a bit complex

Can you tell us now?

[Alianna]

Hmm. I'm sure they have endless tacos and guac in cat heaven, at least...

I'm going to carefully go through Isis' ISO later today and see if she crumbed PR at all or not. If not, there's a good chance this was what I would call an associative kill.

I checked and found nothing, but I very well may have missed something.

[Alianna]

I see I missed a lot. Pretty much the entirety of Day 2 happened while I was sleeping.
I'm surprised that Cat isn't dead.
Conspiracy theory: We're in C2, it's RCE/Cat, and this is the most ridiculous gambit ever done.

[Alianna]

That doesn't work for obvious reasons.

[Alianna]

I'm a little busy at the moment, so I'll try to give reads on the others later, but for now consider the following.
Assume I'm scum. Day 2, furtiveglance both cleared me for my associatives and hard-sussed Somnus. Killing them is the worst decision I could possibly make. Scum!me is in a terrible position and desperately needs people to vote someone that isn't me. I'm not going to silence the person who wants to do that the most.

[Alianna]

Anyone here a fan of 3 massive wall-posts? Asking for a friend.

Wallpost away lol.

[Alianna]

The fact that you've made this argument so strongly further enforces my theory that you killed furtive in order to make us think that because you are scum.

And that's why they say nightkill analysis is an endless pit of WIFOM.
The logic behind this post is shaky. It sounds like you've already decided I'm scum and are trying to make the evidence fit the read.

[Alianna]

Allowing a yourself to be miseliminated as town would be playing against your win condition. Town win by correctly eliminating scum.

This is why I'm defending myself.

[Alianna]

It's a bit weird that you go from saying that to accusing me for making a statement like 579. Still need to do ISOs but slight sus for now.

[Alianna]

@mod

The thread title still says it's Night 2. Might want to fix that.

[Alianna]

I think this is the end for me. I don't see a world in which I escape elimination today. Defending myself further does not seem like it will be effective. Better now than in ELo, I suppose.
Whoever the scum is, you have played this well. I am practically swimming in confusion. I was intending to discuss reads in this post, but I've now spent hours re-reading through the game and I'm still at a loss. I've gone from "nobody is super sus" to "everybody is super sus".
Perhaps I just have no clue what I'm doing.

[Alianna]

I think I'm going to hammer because basically everyone has agreed to vote out Alianna. I will wait a bit though.

I appreciate the intent to hammer (sorry Meg). I think I might post a few fragmented thoughts before I die.

[Alianna]

Ryon I was just about to vote you for being inactive and not contributing to the game and now here you are!

Could you explain your reason for voting MegAzumarill

Sure thing. Similarly to your points, I don't think MegAzumarill has posted much of substance so I haven't been able to get a good read on them. Outside of that, I have a good feeling about you early on since I think you've been helping out.

I'm gonna need a little more than that.

I think scum is more likely to say this to a townie than to their partner.

[Alianna]

Time to engage in some nightkill analysis.

The mafia has chosen the risky gambit of not killing the confirmed innocent and PR, cat.jpeg, and instead gone for furtive. This tells me:
A. The mafia is unlikely to be Somnus. Yesterday (game time) Somnus was accusing furtive of possibly being mafia. If this was Scum!Somnus preparing for a miselimination why would he kill furtive.

B. Mafia had some reason to want furtive dead more than cat. Did furtive accuse them of being mafia? Does cat townread them? Does cat scumread them and they think keeping cat alive will make them seem less suspicious? Who had the most to gain as scum from this kill? I'm not certain and I'm going to look back over interactions later today.

I don’t know why I thought this post was scummy, but A is incorrect. If Somnus is scum, they had options for who to push today. furtive is the person they accused the most, but they never mentioned townreading you or Ryno and seemed unsure of their townread on me. They may have decided they’d benefit more from just killing furtive, who was scumreading them pretty hard and defending an otherwise easy mislim.

[Alianna]

One last thing. This isn't really evidence, but in the case that my probably crackpot theory is actually right, I don't want to be mentioning this in the postgame saying "hindsight's 20/20."

Pet theory was that Isis and Somnus are aligned and that Isis sniffed out where I was going following my engagement with Somnus.

Somnus has so far only rolled scum so I figured looking for gameplay patterns would be a lot more beneficial than doing so for the rest of the slots. In both games I noticed their reluctance to follow up pressure with votes so I'm reading their scum game as overly cautious.

In particular early voting. Transferring quotes from other games is a lot of work but the gist is that in both games there is a 10-20 page window until Somnus actually throws a vote down and that's only after testing the waters and gauging the room to see where votes are safe.

So I do townlean Somnus for the yolo nature of the goldfish vote, but with the caveat that they could have been coached by Isis to just throw it down.

I think RCE may have coached scum!Somnus in that aspect of their playstyle and then used it to TR them. The part about them potentially being coached by Isis sounds like RCE could have been (for lack of a better word) projecting.
I don't think y'all should discount the possibility of scum!Somnus. I agree that they aren't playing the same as last game, but as furtive said, why would they?

I apologize if my posting comes off a little spammy. If I commit to making one big post, I'll probably be dead before I get to say anything at all. I also don't have the motivation to do that.

[Alianna]

I see I've been hammered. Fair enough. Best of luck to all during ELo. This is going to be a close one.

[Alianna]

So what you are saying is that you don't think ryno is paired with RCE and that Somnus still might be scum.

I don’t have a high degree of confidence, but yes.

[Alianna]

Indeed, I am not trolling.

[Alianna]

As the soon-to-be-dead person, I feel compelled to give you all some wise last words, but I don't actually have anything wise to say. This irritates me immensely.

[Alianna]

GG everyone!

[Alianna]

Scum played this very well. I'm interested to read the PT.
Well done to you too, furtive. Congrats on sniffing out both scumbags this time around.

[Alianna]

I was quite stressed near the end of Day 1 because I had no idea who it was (once again, well-played by the scum), but overall I really enjoyed this game too. I hope to play with y'all again in the future.

[Alianna]

If you want some personal notes on what I thought on your play and things I would look out for going forward I can oblige.

I would like that. I feel like I was a bit of a jester.

[Alianna]

I posted a little about it in dead thread but we spent a good chunk of day 1 trying to figure out how we needed to handle you because you just oozed town out of the gate. I'll get a better post together after my shift ends in the A.M.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, I thought that one was directed at furtive. Let me go re-read it.

[Alianna]

I wanted to post the gif of Dr. Evil tryin’ to get a hug, Alianna, but I’m too lazy for that on mobile. Sorry for leading the charge for your execution.

No hard feelings. *Googles gif and sends virtual hug*

Hope absolutely none of you take this the wrong way, but when I play again in June or July, I can’t play with any of y’all. You’re all just gonna vote me out Day 1 no matter what I do until I prove that me getting a green role PM isn’t a glitch that means the game needs to be rerolled (that happened to me in my first game. I was supposed to be a VT).

Fair, because you're not wrong lol.

[Alianna]

I posted a little about it in dead thread but we spent a good chunk of day 1 trying to figure out how we needed to handle you because you just oozed town out of the gate. I'll get a better post together after my shift ends in the A.M.

I'm still kicking myself over the self-vote. I don't know what I was thinking. It wasn't even a gambit, I was just bored.

[Alianna]

It says I’m not authorized to read the topic.

[Alianna]

Maybe you have to make it public?

[Alianna]

I can't access the scum PT, crying

This.

[Alianna]

I want to know every one of their murderous plots!

[Alianna]

Now that you remind me of it, I want to know too lol.

[Alianna]

ASDFGHJKL;'

[Alianna]

oof. :(

[Alianna]

It works now, thanks Mala!

[Alianna]

One last thing. This isn't really evidence, but in the case that my probably crackpot theory is actually right, I don't want to be mentioning this in the postgame saying "hindsight's 20/20."

Pet theory was that Isis and Somnus are aligned and that Isis sniffed out where I was going following my engagement with Somnus.

Somnus has so far only rolled scum so I figured looking for gameplay patterns would be a lot more beneficial than doing so for the rest of the slots. In both games I noticed their reluctance to follow up pressure with votes so I'm reading their scum game as overly cautious.

In particular early voting. Transferring quotes from other games is a lot of work but the gist is that in both games there is a 10-20 page window until Somnus actually throws a vote down and that's only after testing the waters and gauging the room to see where votes are safe.

So I do townlean Somnus for the yolo nature of the goldfish vote, but with the caveat that they could have been coached by Isis to just throw it down.

I think RCE may have coached scum!Somnus in that aspect of their playstyle and then used it to TR them. The part about them potentially being coached by Isis sounds like RCE could have been (for lack of a better word) projecting.
I don't think y'all should discount the possibility of scum!Somnus. I agree that they aren't playing the same as last game, but as furtive said, why would they?

I apologize if my posting comes off a little spammy. If I commit to making one big post, I'll probably be dead before I get to say anything at all. I also don't have the motivation to do that.

Rereading scumthread, I forgot this post was made and was 100% spot on lol.

I'm a scumhunting god!