Newbie 967 - Game over

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Hmm, intriguing. I Vote:

wizard96

for having a small di-- eh, avatar.

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also, my timezone is +8

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Well, you guys should stop wagonning someone without much proof. Maintain random votes as random.

Also,

Unvote; Vote: RetroAudio

Discuss.

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hmm, that didn't do anything.

Unvote

Well, Espeonage, I wouldn't do that now since that would put him in L-1

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Well if some random guy like chaddock voted for wulf while he is in L-1, he is definitely gonna be dead. Espeonage, maybe you can recall such event from your previous game?

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And I wouldn't have been too annoyed had that happened.

In attempt to start a decent discussion and make the game even more better, I will quote this.

You mean you wouldn't be annoyed? Are you saying you approve wulf, who isn't even proved to be anti-town, to be lynched just to end the day?

Also, chaddock's reason putting wulf into L-1 is either a movement of carelessness or newbie-ness because scum will never do that because they will get themselves wagoned. So I think chaddock is an obvious town.

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There's a line of maybes, but to make it so that we know, we should get him speaking.

Unfortunately bringing him into L-1 is not working, or is it just that he is in a different timezone lol

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Vote: ChannelDelibird

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Sorry guys, I was

sleeping

. My vote was random as you can see.

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EHm, let me guess. Because he likes early bandwagons?
Hmm Hmm Hmm

Or putting an obvious town into L-1?
Hmm Hmm Hmm

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SO your vote is just a gut-feeling then? And you not call it random?

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So, you want us to think that your vote isn't random at all but it has a reason. But you don't want us to know what the reason is?

All in all it is just suspicious

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Ok, just read your post. If I can see where you are going, I may support your actions.

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Seems like a

weak

valid reason to me :/

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Espeonage is trying to wake up Mindgamer, he is getting a reaction. Chibi you just have to wait for further. If Espeon fucks things up, he'll be lynched anyway :/

Although this message would just strike a cue to Mind to not reply, but he'll give.

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Choadck however, is avoiding a hammer. Clearly.

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Yes, it isn't in his control, but you just don't vote without reading at the past pages. What did you believe that he didn't see it after he said this:

Just to gon on the wagon

He knows that wulf got alot of votes,

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At first I thought he is but after he made the post "I didn't see it", I started thinking twice.

FoS: Chaodck

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Well it's fine, why?

The only reason I voted you is to place my vote in a vault or something. And at the same time get your attention so that you make a violent reaction like: OMG WHY ME, IM TOWN. or something. Because I was disappointed in your post, I didn't get enough attitude

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I have something in my mind, but it's too early to speak out. I might get night-murdered or something.

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ChannelDelibird, you think it is scummy to actually vote someone with no votes at all to get his aggressive face on?
Or is it scummy to vote for someone, who voted you, because he RV'd at the third page?

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Taking a stance? Is there any issues regarding me?

Also, that didn't change the story. Should i say on my

Vote Post

the obvious reason? You haven't posted alot, you haven't got any votes, you aren't even being suspicious and you are a pretty kool guy.

So why do you think that my vote there is "something more"?

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EDBTP or something lol:

you weren't even being suspicious

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There isn't. The way you said it had the feel of fishing for a slip.

sorry, who are you talking to?

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Look's like I'm not gonna change my vote until proven otherwise.

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I want to hear more from other players specially from wizard and wulf.

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Oh wow, suddenly you're here. Were you lurking?

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nevermind, where's my manners. Welcome Back.

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After all, there are 2 mafias.

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I can't avoid to think that ChannelDelibird and chaodck has a 40-60 chance of being partners. But then again why?

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I mean why as in why does my instinct tell me so.

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I'm not keeping my reason secret, I just spoke out that I feel like channel and chao are partners. That's what I feel, not what I know.

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wizard, care to explain why do you think ChannelDelibird isn't a scum?

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retro also seems a bit too believing of espeonage

I'm not too believing of espeonage, we only have a common suspicion and thought about what's happening earlier. If you think that's scummy then you might think again.

In return, I would kindly ask you why do you "feel" ChannelDelibird isn't scummy.
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I analyzed much and it appears to me that chaodck has all the qualifications of a scum:

• 1. He randomly put someone at L-1 at RVS. It may or may not a strategy for us to think he is an obvious town, and wow I also thought he is a vanilla at first. But this post made me suspicious:

  I didn't see it. I don't have to say anything else, I know I should have seen it, but I just missed it.

Which leads me to:

• 2. Lying. He said he didn't see all those votes? WHAT?!?! He didn't even thought: "OMG, maybe I should not lean on the wagon as I would endager someone." But no, he
  

  Just to gon on the wagon

  
  
  instead. Suspicious much?

• 3. Deflecting Suspicion. Instead of taking a stance on his issue which is putting someone at L-1, he responded to my post:

  I want to hear more from other players specially from wizard and wulf.

  With
  

  I second that, the discussion is picking up, we haven't heard from them in a while and I need more solid evidence to cast my vote.

  Looks like this time he's "taking things carefull" now.

Finally

• 4. Lurking. Nothing more to say here :/

Analyze, town. What can you say?

Now, chaodck. Before I put a vote to endanger you, tell me. Why do you think you're a town?

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Edit By Way of Post:
[quote=RetroAudio]I analyzed much and it appears to me that chaodck has

some attributes

of a scum:

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I would also like to

Unvote

FoS: Chaodck, ChannelDelibird

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So what will I do, IC? Vote him already?

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Ok, chaodck needs a prod.

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Vote: Chaodck

. Not a random L-1, guys.

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I don't know what that means, SE. Can you please explain first as an SE?

Unvote

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Well, if you were just re-- nevermind, I'll just explain everything.

I said before I give my vote, I must hear a convincing reason from chaodck. But I think I have my reasons complied in my earlier post to all rights vote him. So I voted him.
Now I'm asking the SE what's a bad wagon.

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But you already answered it. So I think I'll do this since I really think he is scummy.

Vote: chaodck

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What happened to wulf?

@ChannelDelibird - In your idea, who do you think the most scummy player is?

@wulf and ChibiSanNub- Examine each and ever previous posts made, what do you think?

@chaodck - Since the Experienced players suggested so, im gonna change my question. What have you done for the town so far?

@Espeonage - Why do you refrain from telling your reasons?

@Elleran - You are one of the most unreasonable players in this game, second to chaodck. You always have crooked and fucked up points. What gives? This isn't your first game, is it? Or are you hesistating? They said that reasoning can be a little blurry, when nervous?

@Mindgamer - Good points. Now you are getting a little bit off my Suspicious List. But why don't you think the early part is important? Do you promote quick lynches?

@wizard96 - Seriously, you are just gonna leave us hanging? Why don't you think ChannelDelibird is a scum? What else makes you feel the "town vibes" from Delibird?

Answer please, or else I'll get REAAALLY disappointed.

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Everybody is in my suspicious list by default. You know what I mean know? Yes, I think he is less-of-a-scum than anyone else here except me. /narcissism

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Thank you Chibi, that wall of text made me understand what you feel and made me switch my

FoS

to

Espeonage

.
Now, answer the questions please.

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make that

Elleran

too.

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What?

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Mrshoeshine, before everything else, can you provide yourself with an avatar? It will help us know who the hell is talking.

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Elleran, you changing to "not fair enough" was kind of jumpy. Is it not scummy?

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I guess that could be considered scummy.

So, Mr. Elleran, you consider yourself as scummy? Well that's not right. Not right at all, isn't it?

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Although I still think that chaodck is scum, I will do an

Unvote

. Reason? I don't think it's logical anymore, he doesn't deserve a lynch today.

His lack of opinions make him look scummy. This doesn't mean the he should start going crazy with votes (that's how I got lynched on my first game), but he should start noting some characteristics of each player and try to build a case upon a suspicion.

Dear Elleran, this is newbie mafia. This is his first online mafia game, and having

lack of opinions doesn't make him look scummy

.

I personally think that what you are doing now is picking off the weakest link.

ScumPoints

for you.
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I don't always think it is a good idea to go around telling people why they are scummy because they will change their behaviour to stop being suspicious.

Dear Espeonage, will it hurt if you would share your decision with the town as whole? If there are changes, we will notice it and will take action on it ANYWAY.

And I would also want to point out here:

Not gut, Not random, real reason.

You said you had a REAL reason to vote him.
No sir.
I don't think that there's a relevance in-game when you vote for someone just saying you know him.

The town and I are quite intrigued with your secrecy. I think you know what I mean.
My vote is there. I think that player is scummy, providing reasoning right know is dumb as there is very little.

But if there's a case, shouldn't you go and share it? As it will help like REALLY.
Also your vote is a power, IT IS IMPORTANT.

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It also seems to appear that ChibiSanNub is ignoring the possibility that perhaps it was an honest miscount on chaodck's part that led him to put up a silly vote on page 2.

Chibi never voted chaodck on Page 2.

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I'll be defending myself.
commieB, you are talking about that one where I was on Delibird. Right?

Also:
[quote=commieB]defended each other early into the game

with no real reason

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Real Reason eh? Is

defending myself and having a discussion

enough?

Espeonage and I was sharing thoughts about the vote of ChannelDelibird. It is common among games like this since Espeonage is actually an SE.
If you want, I'd quote those scenes wherein the same scenario was taking place?

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What's the matter, Espeonage. Afraid to be investigated?

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commie and mrshoeshine, I agree with you. But I think your statements gives off a clue that you want a quick lynch.

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FoS

is

chaodck, Elleran and Espeonage.

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Oh no, June 30 is the deadline isn't it?

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Espeonage, for being oh so jumpy with that vote.
For repetitively attacking Mindgamer just because of his L-1 vote, pages ago.
With your jumpiness comes passing suspicion to Delibird.
And playing as an anti-town. Not telling us what you plan and why the fuck. Being oh so secretive and all that bullcrap.

Therefore,

Vote: Espeonage

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@Espeonage - Answer commieB's question. Why is your play not scummy and why should the 3 people who voted for you change their votes.
@commieB - Why do you think CD and CSN are town?

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@commieB - Why do you think CD and CSN are town?

CNS seemed to be very much against an early random vote off day 1, which i read as to be town. CD and CNS also had a few very analytical posts early on that weren't so much trying to throw suspicion on people as it was trying to read people's mindsets, which i also read as town.

if you want, i can go back and quote specific things, but basically it was their demeanor through the first several pages that made me draw that conclusion.

Would be really helpful if you can quote it.

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Follow me for no reason! I know best!

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It is the deadline.
SEs and ICs, please make a decent discussion.
Thanks.

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Elleran Prod Plox.

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Although using a playstyle you think is pro-town, it can be used effectively as an anti-town playstyle.

I call it a

Bisexual Playstyle

.

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And Oh My God! Saving your own skin much.

It is now ChibiSanNub - 3 Votes.
Espeonage - 3 Votes.

mr.shoeshine, are you gonna unvote?
Elleran, choose carefully.

Both of your vote counts. You can save someone and kill someone, or vote-tie to make it No-Lynch

.

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We have heard SanNub, your turn Espeonage.

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The other scum isn't RA or chaddock.

This is clearly a suicide bomb, and I am your hostage. If you turn scum, I will be lynched and you know that.

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2 of our earlier lynch candidates died -.-'
Now we should seek who hates Chibi most. And commieB, I want to hear you taking back all the protection shit.

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I'll reread the thread. Hopefully this time, we can have a better discussion.

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if you are a townie, you don't want to give anyone any ammunition to accuse you of scummy behavior.

No. Actually, if you are scum, you don't want anyone to accuse you or even vote you at L-4

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We fell into a WIFOM, town. But we should solve this together, to start off:

@MINDGAMER

Looks like we all failed, SE. We falled for the scum's trick or

your trick

.

Espeonage wasn't a scum but he has an anti-town playstyle, so it isn't the towns fault. But I am

interested here:

The second scum is imo one of the five Chaodck, Elleran, RetroAudio,

Mrshoeshine or CommieB.

What are the things that makes Chaodck suspicious except for his L-1 "mistake". Do you think

the L-1 "mistake" is something else? Or do you think he is a newb.

What are the things that makes Elleran suspicious? Mrshoeshine? CommieB?

Further more, what makes me

suspicious

?

And please don't give us shit like, "all of you are the remainder of my suspect list since

I

crossed out Chibi and Channel

"

Tell us how do you read each and everyone of us.
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@CHAODCK

After the night, you are in the WIFOM. Both of us are.
Who do you think the scum are? Who do you think isn't?
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@COMMIEB

Although I admit the fact that you are used to fast-paced mafia, I think you are using that to

push us through a cliff. With Haste.

Why do you think Elleran to be the most likely scum?
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@MRSHOESHINE

Voting soon?
Do you think that you are doing the right thing? And not falling for a scum trick?
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Be back in 12 hours

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i think that at least one person who voted for Espe is scum, so it may be smart to start there, too..

This isn't vaild.
Anyone who voted for someone suspicious is pro-town.
I think the real step here is too start off to the one who pushed the Espe case to the point of the town believing.

Mindgamer and CommieB

Also, two of you were speaking of his suspicious play and commieB pointed out OMGUS when Espe pointed out this.

He was right, a town should be concerned in lynching suspicious behavior rather than just asking as asking and asking would just make the scum win the game. There should be action. I learned that the hard way.
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Upon rereading the last few pages, I saw chaodck leaning to people who reads him as town.
Which is incorrect to do since people can say they read you town, but that doesn't mean they aren't scum.

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rush through the day? How am I rushing through the day?

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Cocky in a sense?
If you were talking about where I was throwing questions to everyone, it was meant so that every player should post something. AKA keep the game alive.

What, you think what should I do was: "Alright, Am I scummy?", "Do you think I'm a Cop?", "Do you think I am a Doctor?"

and commieB, I didn't think that WIFOM accusation was supposed to be me. After you post that you think it is WIFOM, I instantly acknowledged it.

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and It's kind of suspicious that you treated Porochaz like twitter... you FOLLOWED him.

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You were posting in a style which caused me to think you felt the game was going consistently too slow.

Actually, I think it was going to fast. One wrong snap and it will be a bad thing for town. If you observe, June 29 was an inactive day and all people were busy.

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So I reminded them about the deadline.

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and in that routine of re-reading, you only realized I am "scummy" after Porochaz said so?

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Suddenly, I saw Pozochaz's question. Post 333.
I quoted it to taunt Espeonage.
And what part of Page 13 don't you like, Pozo?

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OFF-THE-GAME: That sounds like racism, only modified.

Convinced of something is different from your own point of view. The other one is synonymous to brainwash and the other is what you believe in.

So put this shoes, imagine Porochaz is not on your townie list. Now read this page again.

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Imagine Prochaz is not on your townie list and read this page again.

Your post above this seems you are evading.

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Just do it.

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I am sorry guys,

V/LA 1 day

.
I am suffering from influenza.

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Ok, I'm back. Gonna catch up.

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Your question is pointless, its a what if? question which stops being based in fact.

I believe you are not in the proper position to say this to me. My question isn't pointless and it isn't a what if.
In my opinion, we should secure all point of views if we can. We should view a person like we think he's townie, scum or doctor/cop.

You really aren't in a place within this game to say "Just do it" anyway.

I am a part of the town and that it is a place within this game where I can participate discussions and tell people "why".

@RatroAudio: Now that our 'suspicious people' are dead, who are you looking at now?

My first thought was the one who pushed Espeonage into lynching, but then I realized that he was really playing as anti-town and he was the one who pushed himself into lynching.

Then I went on thinking about ChibiSanNub's death, there are shits of possibilities which I think you guys call WIFOM or something.
If chaodck is a scum, he wouldn't kill Chibi. So chaodck is out of my suspicious list. That's what I am only sure.

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Anyway, it's quite suspicious that he had played the game before (although in other forums), and didn't know what a L-1 vote was. That's my point.

I only learned about L's and other mafia terms in the website while playing this game. He played his games in other websites.

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If you believe someone is town, telling then to go "well, don't believe that, believe what I say" then you stop having any meaningful discussion especially since he has already stated otherwise.

I told him to go to a go to a different point of view for a short period of time and re-examine.

why wouldn't he?

In the last day, chaodck voted for ChibiSanNub. If he wouldn't like suspicion to clot on him, he won't kill Chibi as scum. He may be framed by the scum. Also, it is pretty clear that he is an obvious town.
On the other hand, he may just be an over revengeful one.

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I will not post tomorrow, sorry.

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I am going back in 12 hours with a wall of text.

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Do you mean this literally or figuratively

Figuratively, it refers to the scum who killed Chibi. Probably Hate.

What do you think is the trick in play here?

Why not?

Because if he kills Chibi, he's like hurdling tons of accusations to himself. And no scum would want a crossfire from townie, specially if they are right.

He should post what results he got from his line of questioning soon, though.

He didn't answer me.
I feel like he's protecting his "guy"
And completely going blind just to maintain "d4 HuGZ"
Happy Spooning, by the way.

This is not big! Well, sorry. School is on it's climax here in Philippines. I can't think straight.

Just question me, I will answer. If I miss a question, link it. Thank you.

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I will not add to the wagon. If he has something that needs to be discussed, then his life will be longer.

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chaodck, that's a lovely way of "doing something scummy in the background". How does voting mrshoeshine save commieB?

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I am using a different laptop so all I can give you is a description.
Day 2 was disoriented and full of uncertainty. We don't have cooperation and we think differently. It's like he is suspicious, then it will turn to the other guy, then the guy we have been trusted and there are many sub-arguments of some sorts. Then page 18 to 20 became a wtf storm for there have claims and there have been contradictions.

commieB, who has a wagon and is talking about alot of breadcrumbs, thinks MSS and Elleran are being too suspicious that it makes me go down from his suspicious list (wtf).

Chaodck, who has been purged off suspicion, helps to maintain his "thang" by sucking cocks. Oh my God. Stop having a weak arguement please.

You, who hates me and thinks I am one of the scum, put your buddy commieB into a shithole which he can't get out since the scum is now probably thinking he is a doctor.

HOPE THERE IS A DOCTOR TOO.

Equinox, who the man I think should live through the game, is awesome. He only cares about who the scum is and to cross-examine the fucktard(scum).

Elleran, who probably stepped into dogshit right now, is now at the position wherein he is being connected to the man he doesn't even know and have a read on.

MSS, who has the scum ribbon on his chest, is in alot of framing here.

The only thing that makes you think he is scum is where he posted something which emphasized commieB's "soooooooooooooffffft! claim"

. Which if you re-read back, you can see that only commieB put meaning on this.

I am being partnered with, ehm, Equinox(Mindgamer?), MSS, Elleran and???? I don't know. I just know people thinks bad about me and defending myself will just bring me to shit since I can't really withstand an arguement in my condition(headache is still not gone )

I may have missed a player. Expect my performance to be lowered by 3 fold

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Edit by way of post

You, who hates me and thinks I am one of the scum, put your buddy commieB into a shithole which he can't get out since the scum is now probably thinking he is a

Cop

.

HOPE THERE IS A DOCTOR TOO.

Part I Italicized

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what if i was actually the cop? the town would have backed me into a corner and i would have had to fullclaim. but then what? hope that i saw scum last night? i don't agree with the strategy...

No, fuck that. I think there is something called Lynch All Liars or something.
You already claimed a vanilla, but you have already done too many coppy thing. Alright guys, go ahead and attack me for this. But since everyone i think is participating in this discussion, they already know what the hell. Just What The Hell Is Going On.

I would say that if you want what's best for you, go claim cop and hope for doctor. But that makes me scummy.

Still I would not say that you should maintain claiming vanilla and refuse to fuck shit up. You'd be flipped over, but at least you will never be caught alive. That's the best for scum but.

Everything else is bad. I'd help you, but I think you wouldn't trust me with your moves.

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Still it's better dead at night than morning. It's like town helping scum.
Go ahead, baby. 6 days to deadline.

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I am Scum

I know, play to win. But my state of body and mind can't do that right now.

Although, I wish good luck to my partner Elleran to survive the next day. This night, please kill

Porochaz or commieB

.
Also, since there are exactly 1 Sane Cop and 1 Sane Doctor, it is probably one of them. Cop probably commieB and he found out Porochaz to be Doctor.
Equinox can be a drag too, you should probably take him out too, Elleran.
You should check out mr.shoeshine or chaodck too, they can be bait.

About personal attacks, I don't attack anyone? I just taunt. lol.

Remember to always cause confusion and chaos. It is a way of fucking shit up. I like the one you made earlier, delayed my death.

After this, it is all WIFOM and a way of communication before I go too.
You can't tell if I'm lying or not.

Good Night, Town. I can say nice game but I can't say I really do anything, lol.

HAMMER-TIME

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Has fun!

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@Poro Sorry, I didn't know it was against the rules. But anywaaay. I'm not gonna tell anymore anything, have a nice game people.

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Elleran, it wasn't ungentlemanny. I am Scum, remember? You should know that.