Newbie 1339 - Game Over! (Scum Win)

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Hi,

Nobody! *hugs* I'm town this game, no one tell you otherwise. They're lying and scum.

Hi Nacho, please don't be scum, I need to learn the ways of scum hunting.

Kuror! Why are you so scummy this game? Will read game again, but not liking your artificial play.

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Is he scum?

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So, why did you let the game die Fuzzy?

You could have generated content, why didn't you?

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Figured the game needed a little boost of action.

^ See this, pro town.

But you have a good excuse and I believe you.

Same question @ everyone else, minus Nacho and Nobody.

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*High fives GuyInFreezer*

I really am going to have to reread this game.

Obv town: Varsoon, from previous reading.

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*Ahem* sorry I disagree with you.

Two players go off on each other can give others an excuse to lurk (unless they're you, you don't need an excuse ).

Also, theory is one of those null things, if someone does a lot of theory that basically begins to trap scum, that's pro town. Small stuff like that and minor contradictions are not indicative of alignment.

The result of what he did when he replaced in was an activity boost, people didn't stop posting just because he said that, he just said not to oversaturate it. This is basic advice.

Of course, I could be misinterpreting what he said there.

Which did you mean, Fuzzy?

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Newbie games are for Newbies who want to learn how the game is played. I'm probably coming off as an ass right now, but I don't want you to carry your current thoughts throughout the rest of your games on here, because you will DEFINITELY be the first lynch if you keep up your thoughts.

Being active isn't bad, but can get annoying when only two people are posting. That gives scum a reason not to post. There should be no claiming as of right now anyway.

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We are not lynching someone over where they go or do not go on certain days.

I'm not going to defend Fuzzy more than this, he's not worth it. Maybe he'll be worth more later. Be more town fuzzy, you have the power.

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Need, more time. Let me work. I have three games, and I'm not quite sure how to deal with it efficiently.

I will reread and get back to you, my impression from the reading I did a few days ago (from when I messaged the previous mod to replace in), was that Kuror was not being himself. He cares more what people think about him, and is acting stiff. He was not like this last game.

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Actually, guy in freezer has a point.

Isn't that your beetle juice tell Kuror? You know, the one where a player never shows up if they aren't directly addressed or voted? *takes notes*

APG: @Post #110, why didn't you have a read on kuror? What IS your read on Kuror? Why aren't you voting? Holy crap, I don't even think you've acknowledged his existence, you ignored a direct question he asked of you! WHY WHY WHY.

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Okay, I missed two replies. Woops.

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You know what, I think Nobody Special meant Varsoon is not obv. Town, not Butter (who is in no way obv. town).

Uh, that's town paranoia. I was tempted to post that a lot to try and preempt any moves against me too. Or maybe it's not town paranoia. It's just as a newbie, I was totally like, "What if someone tickles me and I flinch?" That's what it looks like to me "Don't tickle me, I won't flinch *Will actually flinch if tickled*"

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I can't coach someone more experienced than I am, GuyinFreezer. Also:

Nobody! *hugs* I'm town this game, no one tell you otherwise. They're lying and scum.

Are you scum? Or are you lying?

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Well, I guess if you were scum you would, by necessity, have to be both lying and scum.

So just the first question.

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^ you're probably scum. Just saying.

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^ This read is about what I have for him based on his meta. Sorry to sheep, but there you go.

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UNVOTE: Kuror

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Good job Varsoon. You've generated 3 evidence posts by making that post. And clearly indicated your total lack of newbie town self-awareness. If he's not town, I will cry gameplay tears.

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Evidence I have for Nabber:

Nabber never said a single thing indicative of alignment(that I could discern). This is pretty related to his meta (his only other game) where he said, a total of two things indicative of his alignment. He has not said one this game. Which might be scummier than usual, and this person (GuyinFreezer) has replaced him.

Stupid LOGIC: In my last, and only completed game so far, both I and another play replaced out near the same time. I replaced back in, I was town and he was scum.

Since I am town this game, ergo, Guyinfreezer is scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer Why'd you have to go and misrep Kuror?

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^FYI, I liked your old Avatar more. Dark souls is a good game, but that avatar sucks.

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Psh, Against the rules. You trying to get me mod killed? And you started it by mentioning the Touhou Avatar.

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Ah. Don't do that again Varsoon. It's not bannable, but be more careful next time.

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Are you guys sure approximately normal guy isn't scum? Scumdar is going off crazy from this guy.

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I refuse to answer that question.

Spoiler:

I am trying to make him actually do something. Like, say, vote. Or maybe be more assertive like he was in every other game where he was town.

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My bad, Sorry Mrs. Mod

It's just one of those rule breaking days I guess.

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The scummiest of slips.

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Don't hammer Kuror, or I will murder you and throw your body in a ditch.

VOTE: Yoshi

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What did you mean Kuror0 was town?

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UNVOTE: Yoshi

Reaction test.

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Back to the regularly scheduled program. VOTE: GuyinFreezer

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Do you guys think he failed it? Usually if my life was on the line like that and I had voted and my scum read was on and had the ability to hammer me, I would panic. He had curiosity.

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No one was going to hammer him unless they were scum, GuyinFreezer.

Reads:

Scummy GuyInFreezer, ANG, Yoshi Kuror Nacho NB Fuzzy Varsoon Townie.

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You see any derps here GuyInFreezer?

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I've already explained how I want to do this right now GuyInFreezer. I want activity, and I will lie about my reads to get it if I need to.

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Guilt by association. Be very careful Varsoon. All the newbies do it. Not even joking.

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I believe in my reads. I believe they will help day 2.

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Interesting Oscillation there Random. Your name suits you.

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Still not getting it. Elaborate.

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They help us in day 2 by providing information day 1.

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I Like GuyinFreezer, I don't get it.

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How do scum know the players roles?

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Ah crap, is this tunneling newbie #2? I need to stop looking like I don't care.

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Oh, because when I played my first game, I totally thought the scum knew all the PRS in the set up.

@As you should.

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Looking like I don't care =/ caring. I've read the thread thrice you know

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You need a strategy guide Varsoon? (gamefaqs.com -> for games) (Mafiascumwiki-> basics of mafia). Google it.

Anyways Varsoon is now auto-town. I might breakdown if he's actually scum. I'm serious. I'm satisfied and glad we could talk Varsoon. But please leave me alone while I do some other stuff and look at things. I'm not interested in you pressuring me right now. Pressure guy in freezer for trying too hard to get everyone's reads so he can manipulate the game while earning major town cred.

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Like football GuyInfreezer. You know, a tactic.

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Just to be clear Nobody, I would rather vote myself than vote Varsoon because I would disbelieve my own role message over the possibility he is scum. He's free to walk the country. No matter what he does this game, I will never think: "that's scummy, I wonder if I should question him to get some answers?" No, just no. I'm not even going to put him in my reads list after this.

Varsoon read:

OBVIOUS TOWN

Hope you're happy Guyinfreezer. Good place to start.

So now that that's out of the way, I will now go do as Varsoon suggests (tomorrow) and start hard analyzing everything, for a fourth reread. *sigh*

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Because of the cop theory shit, because of the quick tunneling he was doing, because of his reaction to the reaction test, because he's posting and questioning and being obnoxious (and lovable) new with a B town.

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His informational conformism, his defensiveness at being suspected, his preemptive defensiveness, it's just ridiculous, his deference to the I.C. You've played more games than I have, you should recognize this better than I do.

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He's a ball of quivering vulnerability newbie town and you're more scummy for even asking it.

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Happy bday. Have a good one.

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I suggest everyone else conform with reality and agree with me. We now have 8 suspects. 2 of them are scum.

We've just increased our percentage chance of winning, objectively speaking. Hoorah.

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And that paranoia. HAHAHA jesus. I love him. He's made this game easier.

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I wasn't being serious. He was easily the towniest, but now he is off the table.

That's what I learned. It's more than you've done, objectively speaking.

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Oh, I learned that not enough people have posted and they should post.

Kuror is slightly scummy, but may not be scum.

You are null, but you're quickly moving into my scumdar range. (sorry, you just remind me of rob13).

Fuzzy is null-leaning town.

Nobody special is null-leaning scum.

Nacho is null, with a capital N.

Yoshi is weird. And I'm going to do a serious indepth analysis of his play.

If you honestly expect me to have a read on average guy, you give me too much credit.

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Don't like the fact Varsoon's not on there? Blame the gods for him showing up in this game and making the win con slanted in town's favor. The mod might as well have just posted his role pm.

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I might PoE this game. WHY ARE YOU ALL DROPPING SO MANY TOWN TELLS. I'M LIABLE TO START BELIEVING I HAVE CONFIRMATION BIAS WITH TOWN INSTEAD OF SCUM. WHAT. IS. THIS.

NACHO -> TOWN

KUROR -> TOWN

FUZZY -> TOWN.

Okay.

What does everyone else think?

*Discussion starter* going to bed good night.

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Actually, I'm just going to go ahead and say GuyInFreezer is scum for his:

Tell. Kinda sorta serious here.

Unserious vote, now semi-serious.

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Are you making a move onto me Nobody? Remember, I'm town.

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By the way.

NS, GuyInFreezer.

Probably. Eh. There's no way I just guessed the scum team is there? *shrug* NobodySpecial, did I just guess the right scum team? I'm a newbie. If I did, I think you're obligated to tell me. Just because of how far I've come in like, 2 weeks.

Anyway, I've narrowed down my lynches for the day to Yoshi, NobodySpecial, GuyInFreezer, and maybe approximately Normal guy.

But like GuyInfreezer has been so kind to point out, I can be wishy washy. Sorry. I change my reads when I feel I'm wrong. Maybe, my reads will change when I reread the thread again.

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BLAH. *Back to drawing board*

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^Was that a scum slip?

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Anyway, I think I've proved my worth by correctly guessing (who am I kidding, not even a guess at this point) that we have a confirm town in our midst. I'm not worried about getting lynched today. I'll be more hyper defensive and flail like a punk tomorrow. Gunna have to wait for all those town points I just won to wear off fore' the crows start coming to feed on town remembrance. GuyInfreezer's just bitter because, while he went fishing, I caught the big one.

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Town vs. Town. No good Kuror0. Not interested in that one, not pro-town.

Also, you should probably distance me. I think I've been buddying people left and right because of how friendly I am . Damnit, I really don't have the right personality for this.

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^ Yoshi's prob town too.

Don't mean to be annoying here. But his wagon is rising and falling too fast for scum not to be on it. Don't mean to rain on the scum's parade or anything, But there you go. Town's okay with his lynch, but scum are too, which mean's he's not scum.

I will answer these questions later Yoshi, but I have stuff to do. Sorry.

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He PoEd himself. What self-respecting scum PoE's himself.

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Nacho. He's town hunting, not scum hunting. That ain't scum Nacho.

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You're not looking hard enough? I don't have time to point it out to you. Nacho will explain, he's the I.C. not me.

Or go to the bottom of this page, see "All users" Click that, then click "Nachomamma" then click "Go"

He doesn't give his reads. He demonstrates his reads. By playing the game.

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Not saying he's confirmed town btw, just towny.

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Actually yeah, he's prob confirmed town.

He's doing and thinking the same shit I am. "Why are people not noticing Varsoon is so obviously newbie town?" Because they want him to flail and get him newbie lynched by dropping scum tells all over himself, better go grill all those idiots and see what falls out.

I passed this crap with flying colors btw. Guess which replacement didn't?

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Guess which player tried to mislead me?

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Not happy right now NobodySpecial.

We'll see about your lynching.

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I think I like this new direction.

@Nacho, do you like this new direction?

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I think the proper lynch for today is RandomYoshi.


And no, you did not correctly guess the scumteam.

Goddamnit, I'm right aren't I?

At least I WAS HONEST ABOUT LYING.

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Change your vote to GuyinFreezer or NS, I don't care which.

It deserves pressure. HARD pressure.

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Hi,

Nobody! *hugs* I'm town this game, no one tell you otherwise. They're lying and scum.

Hi Nacho, please don't be scum, I need to learn the ways of scum hunting.

Kuror! Why are you so scummy this game? Will read game again, but not liking your artificial play.

I've already explained how I want to do this right now GuyInFreezer. I want activity, and I will lie about my reads to get it if I need to.

This is scummy. Oh, so scummy.

This nudges you out of null and into scum.

It's too late night here so I'll be posting reads of who I ISO'd so far.


Varsoon: I don't like his "I'm a newb. Understand me" stuffs. It sounds like he's setting up so that he might cover his "slips" with the "I'm a newb" excuse. I didn't like his reaction against NS's reads AT ALL. Also at one point he calls over-eager to scumhunt a scumtell. What? His post 121 looks weird (the part about he being sorry for making a case on RY.) However, his play in general seems pro-town, such as trying to generate more discussions and stuff. So for now, null.

I'll do the rest tomorrow.

@Rem: coaching your scumbuddy fuzzy in post 309?

Oops. My bad. "Cheering" is better word to use.
And no I ain't scum.

Just going to put this here. If I'm right and I caught both scum with this reasoning I am insane and a genius. And should get nommed for best replacement. EVER.

If I am wrong, then I will have this as a demonstrations as a person. (*Plays the newbie card*)

@Kuror0: Thing to note here, I am tired. I am weird when I am tired. You know my meta by now.

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What's it matter Kuror0?

I'm just trying to generate information and they're both suspicious and this is the stuff Nacho was looking at. And Nacho is a million light years my better in scum hunting.

I'm just following him like a good little scum hunter.

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Remember Kuror, last time I poEd I caught both scum, need I remind you?

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It's worth looking at, I totally just ignored Rob13's advice and stuff, but there you go I shouldn't post when I'm tired.

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But keeping my reasoning up just in case, since it worked out last time.

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Don't worry Kuror0, I'm just having one of those night things. I'll chill out and go back to bed in a minute. My reads will be more reasonable in the morning (it's already morning).

I Have the flu you see, it sucks.

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Still think NobodySpecial and Ice need actual pressure for these reads though.

Varsoon is obvious town. And that won't change in the morning.

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Why the hell do I care what alignment you think I am Yoshi? I know I'm town, that's enough.

As a wise man once said,

"Stop buddying me"

*goes to bed* Sorry about the mess.

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#post 434.

The paranoia bit. Completely characteristic of newbie town GuyInFreezer. I'm talking about Varsoon.

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Gunna wait on Nacho.

Your post is kinda scummy GuyInFreezer.

That tell is just proving me right.

This is preemptive defensiveness.

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This isn't town motivation at play here. One of you is probably scum.

I don't buy it NS. You're way too experienced not to notice a town when you see one.

Okay to prove my point about Yoshi. Who here WOULDN'T have lynched him if it came to it?

I certainly would have and everyone else wanted too as well. Ergo, *SCUM* wanted to.

Gunna go reread the thread now. Like I promised.

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You'd be surprised the stuff people come up with Yoshi.

Seriously, are you scum or not? I need to know.

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Varsoon, the V/la thing, don't take it as suspicious. That stuff is really unrelated to the game (beyond activity). I accused someone of lying about a V/CLA once, it's just not a proper indicator of anything.

People don't use V/la's to win games. It's considered poor character.

@Who else?

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Nope. Try again GuyInFreezer. Null tell. And you should know that. You don't even mean what you say.

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Because I believe Nacho is a good scum hunter and that he is town. He can evaluate my case and see if it's worth pursuing. You, are biased and trying to discredit me.

I'm not even dignifying most of what you've said against me as a serious response. And think I just caught newbie scum flailing, instead of town newbie flailing. Two different things.

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There won't be a hammer Yoshi, since both scum are on it, I think. The wagon will stall.

Anyway,

@Mod vote count please.

When you have the time of course. Thank you.

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Or it might stall because you are scum. But I doubt it.

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Because I did it. And I'm actually my alignment this game.

You can't all be town. So one of you is lying.

You're lying. Not joking.

Pretty happy parked here. Until Nacho tells me I suck and am crazy. Then I will go sulk in the corner.

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Why I want to lynch this people:

NS tried to mislead me. That's scummy. Very, very scummy. Not a bad lynch for today in my mind.

@RandomYoshi: Your death will provide information. That move by NS to get you hammered and put you at L-1 fast makes a lot of contextual sense if you flip town.

@ANG: He's not only coasted, he's downright fence sat. Scummy by default.

GuyInFreezer: Made my case already. See how it holds up. Still think Scum want to end the day fast and have had all of their plans ruined.

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If you flip town btw, all of the discredit work GuyInfreezer and NS tried to do goes down the drain.

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That's probably town.

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NO

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Whelp.

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Is that an admission to being scum?

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You sure?

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Give your reads.

Now.

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What you just did was so just so stupidly anti-town, that I can't even believe it came form you unless you were scum.

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YOSHI READS NOW.

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Good reaction test.

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Can we not lynch Yoshi now?

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UNVOTE: GuyInfreezer

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I hope you just didn't meta out think us, and you're the scum team GuyInfreezer/Yoshi.

Guess' we'll find out

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Still think we should lynch NS.

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You don't actually think I thought he hammered you do you?

I played along to get your reads.

That's all.

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I'm feeling it.

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Still, this crap just got more complex and I am sad now.

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You know what. I don't it's possible that none of us fell for it.

Kinda getting pissed. Maybe.

*Paranoia*

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Possible that none of us fell for it*

Let Nacho do it. He's better at high level play than I am.

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Already give opinion read thread. Read his ISO.

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Kinda oscillating here. Will need to think about this, but I will finish paper first.

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This is an extremely important question:

Are you scum?

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Look. We know Varsoon is town. Stop mentioning it. He's done. Auto-towned.

Just let him be town now.

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We really need the teacher here. This class has gotten out of control and I was the problem child that started it.

I will do as Varsoon says and shut up for a while. Let everyone else post and update my reads accordingly.

Still, worried I got wifomed by GuyInfreezer and Random Yoshi.

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Scum has to lie about their reads. Sometimes, they don't trust their reads: they don't believe them, and they only want that damn mislynch happen. I guess that depends on how confident you are as Scum (I know myself to be really shaky as Scum so that's probably affecting me when I make these posts), though.

This post makes me sad.

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Would scum be that stupid?

I've pulled this kinda crap before and I do it all the time by mistake as town.

Scum and Town shouldn't be four letter words. I Tells ya.

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Yoshi -> Lean town.

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Don't think I got wifomed on Yoshi's side. But GuyInfreezer is the reincarnation of a con man. He has a bright future in it.

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Guys. Varsoon probably called it.

It's Fuzzy and NS.

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Asking that the man with a plan be Prodded, thanks mod. Prod NachoMamma

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Thanks, I recognized that, didn't Iso him and it felt longer

Sorry Mrs. Mod.

Do you mind if I call you Trace or Tracy? Would that be insulting ?

Oh, no, I prefer being called by my name. I feel less like an evil overlord that way. Trace or Tracey are fine. Not "Tracy" though.

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I look forward to Nacho having a small stroke at the mess we've all made.

Town reads:

Nacho
GuyInfreezer
Yoshi
Kuror (because I trust Nacho)

Leaves us with:

NS
Goku.
Fuzzy.

And Goku probably isn't scum. But even if he is, he won't make it.

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I specifically tried to replace into this game for reasons.

1. I thought Kittycat might be scum.
2. Nacho is a good scum hunter and I wanted to get better at it if it turned out he was town. Need coaching RandomYoshi. Second game I've ever played.
3. Nobody said he looked forward to playing a game with me.
4. Kuror0 is here.

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Okay, my final reads are as follows:

I don't like how forced Guy's reads on Nobody are. It's possible that he's trying make an awkward townread on his scumbuddy.

Nobody is misleading everyone too much. That's scummy.

Nacho is town-leading null.

He needs to post more on Day 2.

But if he keeps this lurking up, he might be scum. <

- Confirm town. Welcome to the club Varsoon club Yoshi. You've earned it.

Rem is town for not hammering me like Guy did.

Varsoon is still obvtown.

kuror0 is town-leaning null. His reactions to being voted are actually pretty Town.

fuzzy is Town for how he reacted to being voted on when he voted a No Lynch.

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Doing what GuyInfreezer just did goes against his win con. And so does it go for me. I'd be trolling if I were scum. This is how reads work. I don't believe you lied to me and were actually fooled by GuyInfreezer's bluff. If GuyInfreezer is scum, then he deserves to live to day two for having the balls to go against his won con to get there. Because he has directly aided town to get that level of trust and lowered his own chance of victory. Not day 3, but easily day 2.

I don't want to be all "you probably should unvote me" because the last two times I did it, I just got voted more. But, you should probably unvote me. I don't work well under pressure. Seriously, I get distracted.

These reads are there for a reason. They change for a reason. Why the fuzzy read change? Because he's directly complained to me about my reads twice. His read of Varsoon seemed fake. And other such things. ISO him. He's doing a job of being town. But he hasn't directly scum hunted and I don't think Kuror is scum, especially when he keeps trying to correct my perspective (which, he needs to realize is that I'm not as confident about these things as I appear). Like I said, Fuzzy had the power, but he hasn't really used it to be more town. But to SEEM more town. The same with NS he's being too slow and appearing town, too late. Which is why I suspect him.

NS thought Yoshi was scum, when he was in fact town and told me I hit my head. Is this someone whos plans have been ruined or town suffering from minor cognitive dissonance? Why did he say that Varsoon was not so town? These are questions that deserve to be asked.

I might seem overconfident, but I spent twenty minutes analyzing Yoshi's posts making sure I just didn't get wifomed before coming to the conclusion that he was town, I'm more cautious than most of you. GuyInfreezer is more overconfident than I am for quickly calling that Yoshi was town when he very well might have faked his death posts (but I've read it and read his iso and am satisfied that scum would not play like he has). His perspective on my lack of "faith" in my own reads is something I can emphasize with, because I don't know who's scum and who is not, I just know who probably isn't scum and who is probably town and who gives us the most information when they flip

Two heavily leaning town members at this point is bad for scum. Extremely bad for scum. Scum don't do what I just did. But, I'm used to not being listened too yet and as well I shouldn't be, it's day 1. But like I said what I'm doing is providing information for day 2. And Well, I'd really appreciate if you'd let me live to day 2, because the only case on me so far is, "Too sure of himself, oh and his reads flip every few pages" How this has gotten me to l-2 is beyond me.

I think Varsoon and Yoshi are town. Who doesn't think they are town and doing the greatest con-game ever? I don't think they are. They're town to me. If that makes me suspicious then so be it.

Why is it that all 3 probable town members are voted on me? I don't get it. Maybe GuyInfreezer is just trying to bug me, like he knows it does. Get off. Better spent elsewhere. I am scum hunting. Meta me. I might be flailing but I am town and the fact you guys can't see it (Only mean Yoshi and Varsoon) is showing your clear inexperience. Which is good, because it just gives me more confidence in my reads about you two. But it's bad because you've both parked your vote where it shouldn't be. I shut up because Varsoon voted me and requested it of me. But Yoshi just paranoia voted me, not good.

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He = GuyInfreezer
You = Yoshi.

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They're prob town, not "They're town, but I'll actually change my mind tomorrow after they post some more."

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Seriously, legitimately playing toward your win con earns a pretty strong town read from me. Scum don't town hunt. Scum don't break down viable wagons on VANILLA town.

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Didn't you see my reasoning posts for Yoshi being Prob town?

He said day 2, Nacho needs to post more. Which means he thought he was actually dead.

He also made that scum slip, which was not a scum slip, but indicative of being town because scum don't write like that and make that sorta mistake. They type neater.

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Scum don't town hunt and make me look good by offering to self-hammer.

They don't say "I'll flip town just saying"

Because I do that, when I'm actually town.

Whatever, I make cases for both alignments. I try to trap scum or catch scum. Right now, I'm trapping scum by getting strong town reads. I'm killing this game to death and the scum know it.

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Do you think that's the only thing I said? I've made a case. Deconstruct the whole thing. He's confident he's town enough to claim. I believe him right now. He's a strong town read. And scum wanted him dead because the wagon wasn't stalling. That's my case. It's a good one, my logic might be strange, but there you go, I'm strange and probably right.

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I did consider a wifom. Look at my posts. I was only "I'm oscillating, and I hope they're not a scum team"

Read my posts please, I was totally worried I got tricked and so started investigating. That's why I backed UP my reasoning, because I wasn't sure.

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Oh Varsoon, in case you're wondering what "wifom" is.

It stands for "Wine In Front of Me." It's this type of thinking: "scum would do this because they think I would do this, but actually they might think I'm doing that but I should do this, but what if THAT'S WHAT THEY EXPECTED ME TO DO!?!?" Mind games, basically.

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Null tell, check the meta. I'm just the helpful sort. And Varsoon refuses to check the wiki.

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Nope

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*Checks role pm* Unvote me please, I'm town. I just want to know if it's even possible for someone to do it if I ask at this point. You can revote me again in another post on a whim if you want.

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@GuyInfreezer: I'd be trolling if I were scum, because I'm calling out extremely probable town reads with their Iso's clearly indicating that they're probably town. I'd be playing against my win con by pointing these factors out.

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Well, I'm town. So at the very least he's half right.

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If you're town can you just assume I'm town at this point?

We actually auto-win if you do. I did the math.

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He's not prob town like you are Random.

But he's getting there by asking questions indicative of my alignment. Scum don't do this. He's making me look good.

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^ Cool.

Meta me Varsoon. You haven't even begun to see me panic yet.

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I'm probably a good lynch today btw.

It will confirm my town reads.

Not the best, since I'm town. But there you go.

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No really, you saw that post and was impressed? Get ready for my L-1 post, if I get there.

That would be lethal and the final nail in the coffin for scum. I suggest they don't.

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Really though, I shouldn't die today. I can win the game for us pretty early tomorrow.

Not joking.

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I can confirm myself as town at L-1 btw. Just saying. It might mess us up a bit though.

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They'll hammer me you know

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I'm not even joking, they'll hammer me, because of what I have. Don't put me at L-1. I'll become confirmed and then die. Waste of time.

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See, Nacho knows what's up.

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What scum be this stupid? Don't answer that.

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VOTE: NS

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Don't wanna hurt you here Varsoon. But I caught two town, possibly three with that reaction test.

It was neigh perfect.

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Okay, stop voting NS.

Chill. Don't wanna hammer before a claim.

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He's good at three for now.

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^0/2

@Goku what do you think of approximately Normal Guys play? Don't Iso him. Just finish the one reading and tell me what you think.

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Just gunna go ahead and say that since all 3 of us got paranoid about how the reaction test went makes me lean town on GuyInfreezer. Two towns, got paranoid. Why not a third?

Will never give GuyInfreezer a probably town or strong town read though. He's simply too smart for that. Blame yourself GuyInfreezer, you should stop being so competent all the time.

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You're sold on lynching a strong town read of mine Kuror?

You sure you're not scum?

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That's a scum slip.

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Would scum poE themselves?

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Those two would lynch me before they lynched each other. I'm not too worried about my role pm being false. Are you Kuror0?

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I could be bluffing, but the fact you just said that means you believe me.

So, I'm town. Surprise. I hope that broke everyone's minds. I didn't say I soft claimed vanilla though. And why are you so sure i'm town?

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Okay, you think Yoshi is town right? And Yoshi town slipped. Nacho knows Yoshi town slipped because he's town and can't lie about his reads, because he's actually scum hunting. I revealed I'm town out the gate. And Varsoon did too.

Do you see the problem yet?

Game's almost over.

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Why are you being defensive Kuror0? That's your scum slip.

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We'll find out eventually. There's not enough players left in this game who don't know they're town and don't know at least one other player is town who's actually town.

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Nope.

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Unless he claimed a power role. But then he's doomed anyway.

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My way is more effective Kuror0. Scum want people to scum hunt, because it's easier to suspect than it is to trust. But once you have that trust. Scum lose every time.

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I need to stop shit posting now though. I'm liable to get warned for this, so I'm going to change my posting style back. Nacho liked it, but it's still a terrible way to play the game (but it's a lot easier to get a feel for the players in it) and probably infuriating for everyone posting in it. I'll switch back to effort posts now. I was just trying out a new style. I hope I didn't offend anyone too much. Sorry, and I won't do it again.

The problem with this whole thing Kuror and I don't want to start a derail here, is that you're ignoring how we got these three confirmed towns.

One got reaction tested and he tested genuine. Varsoon deserves the town read from his effort posting and win con playing. And I deserve it for playing with the town's win con in mind and probably because I'm not a sociopath. That's all that matters. And that's too many for the scum to win. Power roles are secondary to confirming town members. Which is secondary to confirming scum. It got process of eliminationed because we knew the wincon and who was and was not playing toward the win con. I think it easier, personally, in newbie games at least, to see the town in a player than to see the scum in a player. This belonged in the mafia discussion board though. Sorry for the derail guys.

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Probably town. Doesn't get much closer than that. I can never know for sure after all

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^ scum wouldn't say that by the way. I town slipped.

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Like I said, I'm a pretty good lynch today if NS claims a PR. Just to confirm I'm not crazy. And that reaction is probably why you're town GuyInfreezer. I'm really dumb, but that can work to its advantage sometimes.

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That was just another town slip goku, don't worry about it, I'm not the lynch today. It's just simply a bad idea at this point.

Still think it''s Fuzzy and NS. Goku doesn't sound like he's scum about to bite it. And Kuror pretty much told me he's town by him asking me to build a case on him. Like I'm scum or something and therefore would make a fake case -_-).

I could be wrong of course.

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Welp. Varsoon is town. That's exactly what I thought he was thinking.

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I'm town too by the way. We just won lylo because you're confirmed. Hope you enjoyed the first game of mafia.

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Okay, here's why I'm not scum this game GuyInfreezer, sit down for this. And I'll explain.

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The reason I didn't care whether Nacho was town or not is because I have a guaranteed way of catching scum him for one game. If I absolutely need to explain it I will. But you just need to stop suspecting me and accept the fact that I'm town if you're town.

Varsoon is confirmed town after that admission from him. He's not going anywhere.

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I'm informed that you're town. Because everything I understand about mafia tells me you are. You will learn that the fact I can do this means I'm town too. Because scum don't do that. You'll understand when you're more experienced :3

But it's not a bad thing that you're suspicious of me. It's a good foundation.

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Town reads:
Remembrance.Confirmed.
GuyInfreezer. Pretty town. But he can still be scum. He's just good enough to pull it off. Strong read for day 1 though.
Varsoon. Confirmed.
Nacho. It doesn't matter.
Yoshi. Probably confirmed unless he is an expert.

1/4 left to choose from. If you want to help. Iso the last 4 people and decide which one looks the scummiest.

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Of those in the pool right now we have this vote intention from my top Scumspects:

Goku =Kuror0
Fuzzy =Kuror0
NS = Fuzzy
Kuror0 = Fuzzy.

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Decide if they're hard bussing or voting the same people. Based on their reasoning. Look for information Sheeping from Goku. Also, Goku may or may not have noticed the Varsoon call post I made and intentionally put it there. Which might be scummy.

All of these people's cases will be examined when they push for the other's lynch. This is your class assignment if you're town. Look for intentionally dropped town tells and discern them from the real ones. Looks for scum tells. Thank you.

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Okay, I just looked again. Right now it just looks like It's NS and Goku.

1. NS because of the misleads, because of the lurking (he usually does this, but this feels like scum silence), the awkward vote etcetera.
2. APG is just newbie scum who fence sat too long. It's okay, but he just messed up entirely by playing like he did when he started. He'll learn.

These are tentative, I'll be doing a hard analysis soon, but these are my initial thoughts on the matter. I really do think this Kuror vs. Butter. is just town v. town. For now this might change. It is also the ideal situation for scum if we flip Kuror0 or Fuzzy. I think both scum were just hoping we'd poE and kill either Butter or Kuror. With their cases against each other. It gives scum a chance to discredit me and explains why Goku ignored my question, and probably dropped town tells on purpose. He's read the game already and is just on radio silence.

IMO.

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Seriously, Fuzzy and Kuror0. Are you town? I need to know.

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Yeah, fuzzy's town he town slipped when he talked to Yoshi during the reaction test.

So that leaves Kuror0, Goku and NS.

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That play by Guyinfreezer and myself was retarded. Should probably be put into a scummy award thing for, like, best reaction test 2013.

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Don't think it's Kuror he's too confident in his role pm for that.

I'm done examining it. It's up to you guys to agree or disagree. Please Iso Kuror and Fuzzy with an open heart and tell me they're scum instead of confident and competent (maybe even arrogant) Kuror0 town and Laid back and talkative Fuzzy town who just got through his birthday and town slipped all over himself in the process.

It explains the paranoia too. Neither NS or Goku have showed any.

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Yup, Goku was just bullshiting me. That whole case on Kuror? Pure positioning, he didn't have time to do more. What a jerk. I love you too Goku! \(^_^)/ Can we gg now?

Of course your grandpa never saw scum, he had cataracts!

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Rem's reads:

Town:
Kuror0
Fuzzy
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GuyInfreezer
FuzzyButternut
Yoshi
Nacho

Scum:
Goku
SomebodySpecial Woulda loved to be a scum team with you.

my feeling on it. Good night guys. I know, I'm weird at night and spam posting, leave me alone.

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Martyring is never pro-town. Just so you know. Never offer yourself as a lynch.

Playing passive-aggressive is a scumtell for you, or is it because I was undermining the case on me?

You're on the sidelines and refuse to take a hard stance that people can attack you for. In other words, you're playing much more defensively than town would.

LOLZ

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Want you all to iso me. Tell me I'm not town.

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Still think we should hammer NS

I don't see the problem here. Guess, we'll have to wait for Nacho.

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Don't need one. Silence is enough.

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Okay, you clearly don't understand that he scumslipped. How could he know I'm martyring, if I wasn't town? It's because he knows I'm town.

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You don't need a reason to sheep the vote Yoshi, the fact of the matter is, you town slipped eons ago. You don't need an excuse to kill scum.

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But if it makes you feel better, go ahead :3

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Varsoon got played and buddied by the way. Just saying. Goku is pretty smooth.

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You're sheeping me, who sheeped Nacho's reasoning who sheep voted my suspects and correctly guessed the scum team.

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Seriously, the fact NS hasn't posted means he is scum guys. Figure it out already.