Newbie 1352: Into the Darkness (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

Hello.

[Wisdom]

So then what happens when the other players say "ohh, he's just a vanilla townie, we can kill him and won't lose anything if he isn't scum"
Then gets hammered and town loses a PR?
Yeahh.. Don't lie.

It actually works sometimes, a cop fooled me(I was scum) with a VT claim last newbie I played.
But it sure is risky.

[Wisdom]

So if a Cop claimed and there was no counterclaim (and if the original claiming player was lying, it's a win-win scenario for Village) you would lynch them anyway? I've seen that done and it's usually hurting Town, because as Nacho said, you're getting your greatest enemy out, free. You should never policy lynch a Cop either. The intent to hammer post allows them to claim and mount their final defense, and who they think is scum. If they flip Town, these reads are honest, and so worth a lot to Village.

^Parroting Nacho

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Cybertronix

jmo, Skullduggery, Who, catboi and T S O I'm liking for town, in this order.

Belisarius and Nacho null.

Caught up.

[Wisdom]

Meta, he's been stubborn and aggressive like that in both games I've played with him and he was town in both.

[Wisdom]

PoE, and the fact that his only contribution to the game has been fueling the jmo-catboi fight.

[Wisdom]

Nacho sheeping me? That's new.

[Wisdom]

Hi frog, welcome.

[Wisdom]

I'm guessing that's from towniest to scummiest?

[Wisdom]

Why is catboi your top town read?

[Wisdom]

Lots of activity

Does this indicate town?

[Wisdom]

In fact everything you said. Do you think that all scum are lazy and low posters?

[Wisdom]

Why do you think that scum-catboi couldn't have done the same?

[Wisdom]

But there should be something that screams town to you if he's your top read, no?

[Wisdom]

Not much, but I doubt he can fake such genuine-looking stubbornness as scum.

Yes, you said you feel it's coming from town but I don't understand why you feel that. All the reasoning you gave was that he's not lazy. You agree that not all scum are lazy. So how does (not lazy) = (town)?

[Wisdom]

jmo = frog

[Wisdom]

frog, that statement actually boosts Skullduggery's point. If Who comes from a place where scum not paying attention was a scumtell, he will pay much more attention as scum. Therefore, his not noticing the replacement (lack of attention) is a possible towntell.

Also I'll state that the pair {Who, frog} is practically impossible at this point, as I cannot believe that Who forgot who his scumpartner is.

[Wisdom]

I think he wanted to mean that you are Skullduggery's #1 townread. Or he just got confused from that.

[Wisdom]

^Reason? Anything more you want to say?

[Wisdom]

^Same.

[Wisdom]

^Reason? Anything more you want to say?

Sorry I meant to post again yesterday.

I want to look at my other scum reads of TSO, Skull and Beli as Who is looking less likely to be scum.

That didn't answer my question. Why did you unvote? Why is Who looking less likely to be scum?

[Wisdom]

What point does this serve?

1) Pressure
2) Reactions to L-1 (Not only from the player being placed there)

You know this. You also know it won't happen now.

Actually Nacho's question (if I understand it correctly) is what point does you stating that you're fine with L-1 serve.

If you actually wanted someone to put Cyber at L-1 for pressure/reactions you wouldn't have posted that.

[Wisdom]

No, I don't want anyone to put Cybertronix at L-1 unless they think he's scum.

I'm fine with

anyone

, myself included, being put at L-1.

This is not how your post looked like. I thought you were talking about Cyber being put at L-1.

[Wisdom]

Skullduggery, don't let speculation take over you so easily. Yes, this could be a possible scenario, but there's no proof for it. Don't immediately think that you solved the mystery and tunnel on those two for the rest of the game, because that's a classic mistake that happens to most newbies.

[Wisdom]

That just sounds scummy now.

[Wisdom]

Vote staying

[Wisdom]

Don't overreact. It sounded scummy, but I don't think you're scum.

[Wisdom]

He was talking about me, not Skullduggery.

[Wisdom]

No, I'm saying that you are acting how you would act if you were scum. That point is in question though.

How do you know how he would act as scum?

[Wisdom]

UNVOTE: Skullduggery
This is where it gets annoying that cybertronix replaced out. Cybertronix was very scummy, then without offering any defense he left giving us no explanation of why he did any of the scummy things.

Do you find orozorro town? Why?

[Wisdom]

Looking back through, the only reason people are voting for me is because my predecessor voted randomly, didn't really pay much attention to the game and then subsequently left the game. To me (and I thought more people would share this view), this is more indicative of someone who just generally isn't interested in the game rather than scum. I can't see how ANYONE playing as a mafia role would think to draw attention to themselves by such random vote/unvoting and I also think that if you were given a mafia role you'd be far less likely to leave.

Amished tell?

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Doesn't matter, you're still scum.

[Wisdom]

Doesn't matter, you're still scum.

So you suggest (wrongly) that I'm doing this 'Amished tell' and then when I point out how you're wrong you come back saying that you don't care that it was a poor argument and you're still unwilling to reconsider, despite the huge lack of evidence against me. Previously I was very confident that you were town but after that comment you've moved to my second highest scumread.

It was not a poor argument. You cannot willingly "do" the Amished tell. You talked about your predecessor and him being scummy and then tried to defend him.

[Wisdom]

Why do you even think that the only reasons you're being voted is because of your predecessor?

[Wisdom]

Ignoring questions is not a scumtell.
It was obvious why my vote stayed on you, it didn't need an answer.

[Wisdom]

orozorro are you gonna claim or anything? T S O has already stated intent to hammer you.

[Wisdom]

Yup, just tell us what your role is.

[Wisdom]

Cool, vote stays.

[Wisdom]

Not exactly 50:50, there might be a JK, a cop, or neither.

[Wisdom]

Hey guys? Maybe it would be in Town's best interest if orozorro didn't claim, if you catch my drift. Let's lynch T S O today and worry about orozorro tomorrow.

^ probably second scum.

Either that or Majiffy.

[Wisdom]

Sorry I meant to post again yesterday.

I want to look at my other scum reads of

TSO, Skull and Beli

as Who is looking less likely to be scum.

Rule of three says the partner is likely in those three.

[Wisdom]

Also orozorro, don't ever give up despite how bad the odds look. I agree that you would not be able to escape the lynch, but you never know what happens; lack of knowledge causes paranoia to the townspeople.

[Wisdom]

Instead, we get a Doc claim. Was not expecting that. I'm a little dubious, but if no one counter-claims, I think it's worth keeping Orozorro around for at least another day.

We should be lynching the player that we feel is most likely Scum regardless of whether they claim to be a VT or a power role. I'd rather lynch a claimed PR who is being overtly scummy than lynch a VT just because that seems like the "safer" option.

^^

[Wisdom]

If it isn't Skullduggery, who do you think it is?

[Wisdom]

Scum could also make some form of breadcrumb to use later; the existence of the breadcrumb didn't mean he definitely says the truth.

[Wisdom]

For example, Cybertronix could fakeclaim jailkeeper later and argue his "JK" was a breadcrumb. Would that mean he is 100% saying the truth if someone counterclaimed him?

[Wisdom]

Probably Skullduggery, yes.
But we'll see.

[Wisdom]

You know, all scum say the same.

[Wisdom]

But anyway Skullduggery, who do you think the partner is?

[Wisdom]

lolwut

[Wisdom]

What kind of scum leaves the doc alive AND kills the prime suspect...?

[Wisdom]

Majiffy, you will have to remember why Beli is scum and explain it to us.

[Wisdom]

Last time we played, Nacho did the same thing to me and you didn't question it, and yoy won based on that--what is different about now?

Nacho is Nacho. Majiffy has done nothing so far other than telling us that you're obvscum without a single reason why. He's not going to get away with it.

[Wisdom]

I think it's a scumploy to lynch the IC since an ace player would be most likely to have that kind of contempt.

And why didnt they just kill the IC and get Skullduggery lynched? Much easier.

[Wisdom]

Since when do you consider me smart?
Nice try buddying me.

[Wisdom]

Nacho is the first to criticise him for this so I don't think that slot is scum.

Although I haven't played with Nacho-scum, I know that Nacho usually busses his scumbuddies. So don't be so sure about that.

[Wisdom]

Also frog, is PoE the only reason you find Who scum? Or do you have more reasons?

[Wisdom]

Maybe, although I guess he could pay some attention in order to select who to NK.

The fact he wasn't on the wagon doesn't mean that much. Town and scum alike would vote him after you counterclaimed and especially after he admitted he's scum, but only 5 were required for a lynch.

[Wisdom]

Also wait,
orozorro [5] - Wisdom, frog, Who, Belisarius, T S O

Who was on the wagon.

[Wisdom]

Imo it's between Majiffy and Beli, and after that I guess you agree?

[Wisdom]

True that, I had forgotten about the rule of 3 argument I brought up.
Yeah, that points towards Beli.

[Wisdom]

I will when you tell us why he was obvscum on D1.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: Beli

[Wisdom]

yes

[Wisdom]

So, will we lynch Beli?

[Wisdom]

frog? Will you hammer Beli?

[Wisdom]

I don't think there will be tomorrow.

[Wisdom]

Scum?

[Wisdom]

Kewl.
Most accurate reads I've got in a while.

[Wisdom]

But why'd you kill Skullduggery? That was suicide.

[Wisdom]

But we all strongly suspected Skullduggery.. I don't think he'd escape the rope today.

[Wisdom]

orozorro's claim seemed fake to me and I didn't feel like unvoting him even before I saw your counterclaim.
But that was not the case for everyone else, so I guess it was good you counterclaimed.
Nice crumbing too.