Newbie 1420: Fireproof (Game Over)

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vote VT

I'm town!

@notscience: Why did you call Smoker scum without voting him?

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V/LA from Sunday to Wednesday.

I won't have internet access during those times. On Wednesday I'll go more in depth on things.

Unvote, vote thenewearth

Self voting during RVS is a scumtell.

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I am back.

I'll read and post content in an hour or two.

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notscience is probably town. The wagon on him was way too fast in RVS - if he was scum I would have seen a bit more resistance/pushback. I don't like his explanation of not voting, but I like his later posts.

I dislike Smoker requesting a claim based on an RVS wagon. There was no real motivation behind the wagon, and there was no need to claim.

...I'm not sure what to make of his later posts, though - gutsy scum, or flip floppy town. He's adopting Maragal's style of posting conclusions without reasoning to back them up, which is frustrating.

Reading on.

I don't like VT's reactions - they feel artificial, in a sense. I feel like he's adopting a mindset of "I don't know what's going on here!" It feels forced. Also don't like Rach's conclusion of the reaction - it doesn't feel genuine to me at all.

..Yeah, dislike the Rach post. The vote on Smoker is bad because Smoker's not barning wagons, as he made an attack on Maragal. I feel like he's limiting his options quite a bit with the declaration of certain people town/mafia.

Man, I can understand Rach if she posted that bit right before #35-#37. That feels really... flip floppy.

ASP rings my alarm bell with the vote. It feels really overexplanatory and overjustified.

#42 is also IIoA.

/barn notscience with Smoker - the cockiness is really weird.

/barn Maragal regarding VT.

Man, just looking at my t/s list here now. People need to start being more townie.

Yeah, ASP's #69 is more IIoA.

I kind of like VT's #75. It reads more genuine than his other one.

Still don't like thenewearth, though I have more scummy suspects to pursue currently.

Smoker's playstyle irritates me, but I can understand how Maragal got to her conclusion with him. I'll have to watch him later because he makes me paranoid, reminiscent of McStab from High Noon.

I kind of like his #92, very stream-of-consciousness.

I don't get how Smoker gets his probtown conclusion from Rach's #104. It does not inspire me at all.

And thenewearth is still active lurking.

I don't see the scumslip from VT.

And more flip floppiness from Smoker. Man, I just want someone to shoot him so I don't have to read his posts.

Hm, VT's implosion feels... more newb-orientated. I really can't explain it in words, but my gut says town. Ugh.

*skims past Smoker's readwall*

I really do not like ASP right now. His post feels... nongenuine, and feels.. rehearsed, somehow.

I also do not like thenewearth's #171.

And finished!

Posting reads in another post for clarity.

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Alright!

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notscience

Smoker

VT

Ms Marangal
CityElectric

RachMarie

thenewearth

A Simple Plan

I'm town.

notscience is town for the quickwagon during RVS, and he has generally made astute observations and is scumhunting pretty clearly.

Smoker is town because I have a hard time feeling scum would put themselves out on the open like that and be very gutsy. Some of his posts I like, such as the stream-of-consciousness one. I don't like the wagon on him.

VT is a light town read because gut. He's definitely a noob, but I want to observe him later in the game - it's possible that he's noob scum, since I don't recall him really scumhunting at all. I have some tricks to read noobs that I'll whip out on Day 3 or so.

Maragal and CE I haven't been able to get a read on. Maragal's going to be a tough nugget to read, since it's so difficult to get a window into her mind - she's very curt, that's harder to read.

I don't know why people are townreading Rach - she hasn't made an impression on me at all, and her conclusions are off. I'll need to look again, however.

thenewearth is similar to Rach - the self vote was bad, and his posts are uninspiring. I'll need to have another look, though.

ASP is my most solid scumread. His posts feel orchestrated and not very genuine at all, which is raising huge gut alarms for me. His overexplanation and IIoA are also bad, and the fact that people are ignoring him make me feel like he's scum.

Unvote, vote ASP

Your move Kasparov!

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@Rach: Did you read my previous post?

"..Yeah, dislike the Rach post. The vote on Smoker is bad because Smoker's not barning wagons, as he made an attack on Maragal. I feel like he's limiting his options quite a bit with the declaration of certain people town/mafia."

Also, got the incorrect conclusion of VT on genuine/ungenuine.

I use the ROYBGIV system of coloring.

I dislike the Smoker wagon, as I feel it's scum trying to push a lynch through on someone whose playstyle is really confusing and irritating. I would prefer to have not read Smoker's posts, but he is town.

It's also being driven by my scumreads, so 'yeah.

And #192 and #193 is not largely contradictory. I posted #192 from a stream-of-consciousness manner, so I wrote what was on my mind at the time while I was reading the thread.

Can someone tell me why ASP is town? He looks and feels like scum to me.

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Also, this game needs to pick up. I can't believe we're only five days away from deadline.

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@Rach:

Violet - Confirmed Town
Indigo - Strong Town
Teal - Solid Town
Blue - Leaning Town
Green - Confirmed/Probable Neutrals
Gold - Leaning Scum
Orange - Solid Scum
Red - Confirmed/Strong Scum

/barn notscience's question.

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notscience is teal.

Explain to me why they are town posts, please. 147 feels like a "thoughts on each player" which I made in 1396 as scum before replacing out. http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5119061

His #39 is overexplanatory.

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Smoker is town.

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Interested in hearing how Maragal responds.

Until then, not touching this wagon. ASP was a strong scumread for me and Wisdom's first post looks like prematurely clearing a bunch of people.

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Because scum knows who's town.

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VT also struggled with reads all game, however she is able to pick up that Feel it is being Obv town from the moment he replaced in? no

Wrong. VT declared Smoker town in one of her first few posts, so it's natural that she would call Feel It town.

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Something feels a bit off about this lynch. Please don't hammer until I have my bearings in order.

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@Ms Maragal: Uhh, you're throwing down a whole bunch of conclusions (page 11 makes ns town, this post makes rach scummy) and... well, not explaining them.

Would you mind doing that for the uneducated masses? (aka me)

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I dislike how Maragal is not reading the thread.

Gathering my thoughts in a few minutes, then announcing intent.

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Smoker, notscience, RachMarie and VT are ridiculously town.

Prophylaxis and CityElectric also lean that way.

Not sure about thenewearth.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mara

Aside: I really hate how this site's meta is all about announcing conclusions without reasoning. It's classic proof of verbosity, and it stifles me from asking people to explain reads. I know you're doing it for reactions, but it's... well, it annoys me.

But Wisdom, can you please explain your thought process and how you came to these conclusions?

I see that you've explained your read on VT and Maragal. What about the other players?

Also, to everyone: Why are you guys so focused on finding

scumteams

? Find scum then analyse interactions. Why are you jumping the gun?

What is the "WKing"? I hate Rach's #259 though. It's naked and offers no reasoning - just a quick wagon hop to the latest wagon.

@Feel It: Same for you as well. I would like to hear reasoning for your reads.

I feel like Maragal's reaction feel forced but otherwise is correct. Scum would want reasoning, then refute it, while she's saying "I'm town, why in the world are you voting me?"

@Maragal: Uhh, why are you town-reading everyone on your wagon when you called Rach's vote scummy?

On Wisdom, I feel like he's improved ASP's position quite well, though I have the lingering scent of paranoia. I'll re-evaluate the read when he answers my question about the reads.

I'm conflicted between starting a new wagon on Rach vs. hammering Maragal. I would love Maragal's alignment to look at during the Night, though I feel like Rach is scummy.

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Fair enough, though I would still like reasoning.

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@Wisdom: Not very informative, but thanks.

Waiting for Feel It now.

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im bak

Respond to me.

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@Feel It: Same for you as well. I would like to hear reasoning for your reads.

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I'll announce intent when Feel It actually responds to me instead of stalling.

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I would like them before the Day ends, as a player's flip can change someone's reads quite a bit.

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I want

reasoning.

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This is useful to me and how I analyse player interactions.

I have reads on all of these players and I want to hear his thoughts on them to help determine their alignments.

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Honestly though, what do you think of this post?

If you're being honest now, what were you being before then?

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What is the WKing?

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[quote="In post 361, Feel It"][/quote]

Can you give me a few words on each player, then?

I'm not asking for a ISO'd read of every player, just a couple of words and how you got to the conclusion.

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Hm.

I want Rach dead, but I'm not confident in my ability to overturn a lynch when we have ~1 day remaining.

My gut is really leaning towards a Wisdom/Rach scumteam, as I'm not all that confident about the Maragal lynch and the way that Wisdom is explaining away Rach's scummy sheep vote "because meta" is rubbing me the wrong way.

I would still like Feel It's reads, though, and for Rach to actually respond to me before I hammer.

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Ehh.

I'll go ahead and hammer soon.

@Wisdom: notscience is a town read, and he asked why you thought Mara was scum. This interaction happens all the time and it's null. Rach just chimes in in her next post and opportunisticly votes Maragal, with no reasoning.

If I die tonight, please lynch Rach tomorrow. So many fluff posts it's hard

not

to see her as scummy.

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Rach full reads scale plox

Who is Rachel???

I be Rach or Rachael

Like, this interaction made me laugh.

Still didn't respond to the Wking thing as well.

I really,

really

want to overturn a lynch to Rach at this point, but I don't think I can, with 24 hours on the clock and basically only four or five people playing.

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I have absolutely no idea what Rach is saying in that post except "Vote: Mara."

Ahh, I just realized that he talked to Feel It about reasoning.

Hm. That dissipates my town read on him a bit, but still, Rach's done more scummy actions than him, so I want her to die first.

I would still want to hammer Mara - gives us information if she /does/ flip scum, and the interactions we get from the lynch, plus Mara's reads, will be helpful if she flips town.

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Yeah, that's why I asked for a definition of WKing. Thanks for the explanation.

What do you think of Rach's constant fluff posts and ignorance of questions? It's rather frustrating to me.

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Fair enough, then.

Are we ready to end the Day now?

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What do you think of Maragal now, then?

I'll need to reread notscience, because those four RVS votes on him on the beginning of the game don't point to a scum!notscience.

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Blegh.

You've just counteracted most of my reads, and are now attempting to force through another wagon one day before deadline, which renders vote analysis pretty useless.

Something feels off about your actions, and I would really like to see your alignment.

I guess I'll have to reread this again. If I don't get to that, consider my vote on notscience.

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My enthusiasm for this game has sapped and I don't think I will have time for a reread before the deadline.

I will place my vote on the largest wagon when I check in again.

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Unvote, vote RachMarie

Rach or Maragal, and I'm more comfortable with the RachMarie lynch.

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Blegh.

I need to reread this game. Two of my scumspects have flipped - enough to tell me that I'm egregiously

wrong

.

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VT, are you scum?

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Who do you want to lynch toDay and why?

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Cool, an opportunity to bounce off ideas from a ProbablyTown.

Okay so I did some thinking during the night about who is scum from town to scum:

Feel It
Proph
Mara
Wisdom
notscience
Banakai

VOTE: Banakai

This looks like a promising lynch. CityElectric and Banakai have not done much for town and don't have a lot of content in their posts and stuff

Feel It, Proph, and Mara all have very genuine ideas like I've said before

Wisdom has interesting points on notscience, I'll have to look at those

BTW, Everyone who townreads Wisdom btw, can you explain why? I just don't see it.

I found ASP to be quite scummy. His posts had the familiar "ting" of newbscum, a posting style I emulated in one of my scum games.

Wisdom came in and reversed my scumread on ASP, but I'm still leery of ASP's past scumminess. That's why I'm so paranoid about Wisdom.

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VT, are you scum?

Btw why would you ask this question? What were you expecting - yes? O_O

I'll explain it later - I have a secondary reason to ask the question that I'd prefer to keep hidden right now.

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I don't remember Banakai's slot doing.. anything, really. That slot is more "no town tells" than scumminess, really.

I will need to reread the game to figure out a good lynch for toDay.

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Yeah, which is why I'm not opposed to a Banakai lynch. I would just like to comb through the thread and see who is scummier.

And let me dig this ASP case from my notes..

Mafia Notes
Newbie Game 1420 - Fireproof

ASP is totally scum.

His #39 is an extremely overjustified vote.

#42 and #69 is textbook IIoA.

His #101 and #148 is fence sitty and scummy.

#157 is noncommittal and reads as though he doesn't want to step on any toes.

Lynch him.

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Like I said.

Wisdom's actions completely reversed my scumread on ASP. He made cases, he pushed on people who were scummy.

Which made me think twice.

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Yeah, I'm comfortable with all three being town.

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What do you think about notscience?

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I think the scum killed him for a couple of reasons:

1. They suspected he was a power role due to his lurking and not stepping on any toes.
2. They wanted to deny us information.

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Prod dodge.

I'll reread either tonight or tomorrow.

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Man Wisdom, you're good.

Vote Wisdom

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Unvote

Did I hammer you?

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I hope I didn't hammer. I haven't even read the thread yet.

Leave scum!Wisdom alone. I need time to analyze.

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Unvote

Did I hammer you?

Uh this doesnt make any sense whatsoever

I'm afraid of hammering Wisdom because then the game would immediately go to Night, costing us precious reread time.

@Preview: I didn't want scum!Wisdom to hammer himself.

The moment that I voted Wisdom was me thinking "Oh yay! We caught scum!" and I typed up those words without thinking.

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I'll need to comb through Wisdom interactions. I know he has a habit of sniping at his buddies as scum.

I sure hope that he hasn't subscribed to the recent meta trend of hyperbussing your scumbuddy out of nowhere.

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UNVOTE: Wisdom

Actually I don't mind staying alive for a bit longer

Thanks for the unvote.

No one put Wisdom at L-1 until I have the chance to really pore over the thread.

I need time to figure out who Wisdom's scumbuddy is.

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but with Prophy as new

Minor correction before I go to sleep.

I'm not new. I have played over 30 games on MTGS and I wanted to check out mafiascum as a way to broaden my horizons and such.

@VT: You have a guilty. That guilty isn't going anywhere. More time is better for town. I need time so I can figure out Wisdom's scumbuddy so that we don't prematurely end the Day.

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The self-hammering confirms him as scum.

I'll see if I can catch up during the Night.

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I agree.

If you agree, why aren't you voting?

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Fair enough, then, even though I don't really buy your explanation.

I'll wrote down some analysis yesterday and I'll post them up soon.

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Lol, me being quickhammered 24 hours into the Day by town.

Well... good luck in lylo, I suppose.

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Can't unvote because you already hammered.

I'll get up final reads soon.

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In conclusion: Blegh.

Thanks for hosting, Cheery Dog.

Couldn't really get invested in the game, which led me to really just ignoring the game after Day 1.

I think if I wasn't quickhammered Day 3 I could have pored over the last two days and convince me to get out of the hammer. Unlucky, I guess.