Newbie 1437 - Chocolate Fondue Mafia (Over)

[jmo16mla]

I thought flay /outed for this game?

Anyways, I'm a SE. Hello there TAM. (He was the IC in my first game ever)1

VOTE: fart bane

Because what not?

[jmo16mla]

Thanks TAM and also... its pretty intimidating playing with the MEGATRON!

he breathes, sleeps, eats, shits and cries just like you do. its okay.

as for the questions.

im in the central time zone.

Il post every day. sometimes less depending on how much school work i have.

ive played like 35 games.

playing scum is rather hard. i prefer town.

I hope to win.

[jmo16mla]

Flay, you're not going to lynch me! Il run away.

VOTE: not science

[jmo16mla]

So, if you don't want to use your random questions yet, how do you propose we are going to get the scumhunting started?

Through use of rvs. Which eventually lead to serious votes.

[jmo16mla]

Hmph.

In the newbie queue, you DID say /out and that was the last time I saw anything of you until the game started. I figured it was a mistake by singer.

Why would I be scared of a long time player? I play with the best and consider myself to be one of the better players on site. As town. So, playing with you isn't frightening. Your point is almost contradicted because I posted to fart bane that "he eats sleeps shits and cries just like you do" where he is referring to you. That I me classifying you as a player, not an all time great.

Typically, newbie games an just about every other game starts off with RVS until something is spotted and a serious vote is cast. He clearly was asking how the game was started, so I explained how a typical game is started. What scum motivation is behind me explaining how games typically start?

[jmo16mla]

mod, not science is also voting me,

Flay, your vote has put me at L-1 on page two. No one vote me. Kthanks.

[jmo16mla]

Truthfully I didn't take this as an attempt to belittle you. I feel he was just trying to make me more relaxed playing with more experienced players.

This.

Not trying to belittle anyone. Just calling you human. Its rather easy to spot scum coming out of RVS due to them not knowing exactly what to do and leaving them twiddling their thumbs. though.

Bane, try to keep the multi posts down. One concise post recognizing all of your points gets across far better than 4 or even 5 in a row.

Bane, do you think flay's attack on me was one coming from scum?

[jmo16mla]

who?

[jmo16mla]

um, sure thing.

TAM, any input?

[jmo16mla]

Damn that guy is good.^^^ :/

Who's missing?

[jmo16mla]

Didn't realize it been three days. Il post later.

[jmo16mla]

We're getting dangerously close to the deadline...
Perhaps I could post some reads if you guys like.

we have over a week as of this post...

But certainly that doesn't mean we need to take up all of the allotted time.

[jmo16mla]

VOTE: fartbane

[jmo16mla]

flay, do you not see banes vote on NS as oportunistic?

[jmo16mla]

Well, let's see what I've missed. Jmo seems to have not provided much information, and my initial town read on him has changed, as I'm finding him to be a bit scummy.

Mr. Flay is looking pretty town to me now, given his recent posts.

I'm neutral on the-duck and zakk at the moment. Can't really tell what side they're on.

My feelings towards notscience being scum have diminished, given his responses to Fart Bane, although not entirely.

Fart Bane also is seeming a bit scummy over his reasoning on notscience. Still, I don't see enough at the moment to justify a vote.

TAM could be a playstyle thing, like what The-Duck said. Unfortunately, I cannot address any of his suspicions against me when I don't know what they are. Still, he looks town to me.

Endernys...I don't even know.

For now, I'll

Vote: Jmo

mostly out of my instinct. I'm finding his play to be evasive, by not providing at least a bit of insight or giving reasons.

pstt. you should vote bane.

[jmo16mla]

Then go back and look. Stop playing around and saying I think I believe if I remember.

VOTE: The Acting Method

[jmo16mla]

TAM has done no scum hunting. vote him. hes scum.

[jmo16mla]

meh. im feeling that this is wrong. Scum TAM isnt going to sit and be voted for not being active and continue to not be active...

[jmo16mla]

FLAY.

[jmo16mla]

lets hope TAM is a VT or scum.

[jmo16mla]

Flay is likely town Mindgamer, I don't think flay is going anywhere anytime soon.

[jmo16mla]

It's saying I see you as town and I don't see you being lynched anytime soon?

[jmo16mla]

Well, we should get this game going.

vote: Fart Bane

Among the survivors, he is the most suspicious to me, for a lack of posting and for his strange vote on notscience. On a slightly unrelated not, I also agree that unless both Flay's vote was accidental.

This is far too easy.

VOTE: number_0ne
lack of posting? you've got 13 hes got 31... not seeing it.

[jmo16mla]

I didn't think that was lynch. Did you feel my FLAY was faked?

TAM not participating kinda sounds like why I called him out for being scum right?

Typically, scum won't continue to lurk if get called out on it and get voted up. Hence, me calling him more than likely town.

Would your case be completely different had TAM flipped scum?

I'm almost guaranteeing there was at least one scum on TAM's wagon. Cut out me, and flay(who I wasn't sucking up to I just have a town read on him)

[jmo16mla]

jmo, I don't like the number vote. Feels newbtown to me.

Oh I'm an idiot.

between editing that post I left my vote in there.

UNVOTE:

[jmo16mla]

so its number one+the duck?

[jmo16mla]

Wtf is townbloc?

[jmo16mla]

Jmo, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..

I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

HM?

Both parties should react to pressure. In my mind, scum would attempt to catch up and be more productive faster than a townie.

[jmo16mla]

He's trying to build a confTown block to avoid voting each other and to vote together, in the hopes of driving lynches toward scum.

[jmo16mla]

Jmo, I don't think your "FLAY " says anything about your alignment.
Regarding the expected rise in activity of a player under pressure for lack of activity, do you believe that townies don't get more active when they get pressured for inactivity? And if so, why only bring it up at (what you thought was) L-1 or earlier, because the pressure was building on him for quite some time..

I don't know what my case would look like if TAM flipped scum, I'm not even sure there would have been a case.

HM?

Both parties should react to pressure. In my mind, scum would attempt to catch up and be more productive faster than a townie.

I don't have enough experience to know what scum would do, but it seems unlikely that there is a notable difference in response time, but discussing this is not getting us closer to finding scum imho.

You asked me if my case would look different if TAM had flipped scum, I don't know for sure what I would think of your actions in that light.. but I'd say that pushing for a lynch without reason is far less scummy if the lynched person is scum. at that moment it would have been very easy to defend your mate/deflect the pressure to the counterwagon. So, had TAM flipped scum, I don't think you would, but he didn't, and I'd like to know why you thought it relevant?

Ever thought I could have been TAM's sum partner?

[jmo16mla]

ANYONE WITH THE HEART TO REPLY. WHAT THE PAQ IS TOWNBLOCKING

I already explained this! 217. Or 210.

[jmo16mla]

Lets pretend she is a jailer. She jailed _____ and someone died meaning that person isn't scum. (Truthfully I don't know if one scum is jailed the other can kill someone still.
Lets pretend she is a cop. She... copped (?) ______ and she saw that she saw the person was a scum or townie. She would want him on her town block or she would try to lynch him once the town block was formed.
And so on I think you get what I'm trying to say...

Please, stop speculating on power roles or what not. That's horribly anti town and you're potentially giving away clues as to who has a PR and who doesnt. Essentially, you're potentially screwing town in the ass.

[jmo16mla]

I see what you're saying not science. But no. I'm pretty positive he's calling YOU scum by implying that you do know who scum and who isn't.

[jmo16mla]

He tried to in 232 or somewhere close to that post. He keeps screwing up the tags though. It's

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[jmo16mla]

This^ il come out and say duck and mindgamer both are my top scumspects right now.

[jmo16mla]

Purely for lurking? Your last post of substance targeted FB.

That was more of a VI stance. As I called him anti town. I don't think I mentioned him being scummy.

I just don't have a good feeling about either. One of the two is scum. I find it unlikely that both would be lurking at the same time.

[jmo16mla]

will post soon

[jmo16mla]

Last two pages are rather dull. The Notscience/Bane exchange doesn't tell me much about their alignments. Only thing I'm curious about is Bane's apparent amnesia concerning votetags. He started the game using

[b/]

, then voted correctly three times in a row, but is now back to having the

[b/]

problems. I'm not sure if this is clumsiness or just an act.

In fact you've NEVER mentioned The-Duck.

Same for me really. The-Duck is an odd one: He's asking good questions and his cases are logical, yet I don't feel much of a presence from him in this game. It's like you could cut him away and this game wouldn't be much different.

Purely for lurking? Your last post of substance targeted FB.

That was more of a VI stance. As I called him anti town. I don't think I mentioned him being scummy.

I just don't have a good feeling about either. One of the two is scum. I find it unlikely that both would be lurking at the same time.

Vote one of us, then. Your play has been exceptionally weak today. Yesterday you were voting and applying good pressure, today you're not doing anything.

This is going te be a double post, but I actually want to continue a bit: This game feels dull because nothing is happening. We have used up half of our time and there have been no meaningful wagons. We have two L-2 wagons, but neither is close to a lynch. This is not going to give us any hints towards scum.

I think we should really start to consider a lynch before we get into 'deadline lynch' terriotry. Who do you guys want to lynch?
For me, even though I do not consider myself part of any bloc, the people on Notscience's theoretical bloc are actually the people I do not want to lynch today. That leaves Number_0ne, Fart Bane and The-Duck. At this point I feel like lynching Number_0ne because there's an actual case on him, but I wouldn't be opposed to voting Bane or Duck if there are good arguments against them ('scumslip' and 'he's not in the townbloc' aren't good arguments).
I would like to hear everyone's scumspects now. This means concretely that I want to see:
The-Duck: Who do you want to lynch besides Jmo (that wagon is not going anywhere atm)? What do you think of the Number_0ne and Fart Bane wagons? Would you support either?
Jmo: Who do you want to lynch? If you say Duck or me, make a case. If you don't, explain which other wagon you think has scum (N1, Bane or Notscience) and vote accordingly.

I'm out of time, but you catch my drift.

the first post is absolutely useless.
The second continues the uselessness, then asks for peoples suspects. He is also leaving his vote open. Oh I would vote him, but he has a case on him so i would also be inclined to vote him. If something were to happen, i would vote him though.

VOTE: mindgamer

[jmo16mla]

ns is my strongest townread. This is without a doubt his towngame - he tunnels, he gets aggressive and loud, he insists when he thinks he has found scum even if everyone else does not agree. He is not able to emulate these things at this level as scum yet, in fact the only time he did so was in a game that he had forgotten he's scum.

This quote is from October 14th. I don't usually do a lot of meta, but ns is hard for me to read because he's so chaotic. This obsession with townbloc is driviing a lot of my suspicion, because in a game this small it CAN be a scummy move, especially when the player proposing it isn't conftown themselves.

And yes, Wisdom is scum in that game, but he says the same thing postgame. notsci's play there is very different, full of cases and arguments and chasing down reads (often wrong, but that's the game). Here he's laying back and going "welp, gotta townhunt instead!". I really don't like it.

Intent to hammer notsci.

Claim in your next post. We have 3d16h left.

Spoiler: for later

jmo16mla's 303 vote on Mindgamer is... interesting, though. If we're wrong about notsci, I want to look at that, as they've both been townreads for me most of the game.

Do you NOT see how anti town this game has been? We have had one major wagon a day. Seems rather easy to just sit back, hop onto a wagon, and then not do anything for the rest of the day.

[jmo16mla]

how about youve got three days so you might as well come up with something now instead of "come up" with something in potential lylo tomorrow.

[jmo16mla]

Agreed, lack of activity is murdering this town. I'm guilty of it too.

That said, notsci has posted several times on the site today. Claim delay in progress!

I've delayed my claim intentionally and have gotten out of a lynch as town. That's not a scum tell,

[jmo16mla]

Hey flay, give me like two hours and il read this game again and actually find the scum. Would you be willing to shift your vote?

[jmo16mla]

Yeah il get to it.

[jmo16mla]

Say NS flips town.

Everyone name two people who you think are scum.. GO.

[jmo16mla]

Because then it will be tomorrow when I get answers? Tomorrow would be lylo? yeah.

[jmo16mla]

Obviously you need to post your reads today, notsci (and anybody else we wagon, though it's getting superlate for that).

Because then it will be tomorrow when I get answers? Tomorrow would be lylo? yeah.

Yeah, but if he flips Scum all that is for nothing. And basically you're telling scum who they should buddy/kill... seems premature to me.

Anyway, if he doesn't flip scum, I'd probably look at FB and you primarily. N1's postcount is still awfully low...

No. I'm sticking people to their reads before they say "Yeah i thought he was scummy yesterday too! vote: so and so."

[jmo16mla]

I take it you wont participate?

[jmo16mla]

Mother fuckers. Name two people you think is scum. Get off of sheeping flay like god damn sheep. He isn't god. For shits sake, HE could be scum.

[jmo16mla]

Tbh, if you just ended a two and a half year relationship, and you're not happy about it ending, you wouldn't have the greatest motivation either now would you? Don't mean to bring RL into the game but shit.

[jmo16mla]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=27955

This game helped find the scum by naming two people. Meh, we didn't win, but you catch my drift.

[jmo16mla]

And it caught me here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=25516

[jmo16mla]

because that lets everyone know who youll want to lynch tomorrow. WITHOUT you suddenly deciding

oh yeah, Hes scummy, im going to vote for him

This keeps people sticking to their reads.

You're not going to randomly change your reads over the night phase will you?

That is, unless you talk to your scum partner and agree to go after someone the next day.

Following my drift?

[jmo16mla]

this is horrible.

you people, mindgamer and fart bane are being INCREDIBLY anti town.

VOTE: fart bane

come on.

[jmo16mla]

shit i forgot about number. *drags face against asphalt*

People aren't participating and its really killing the game. I seriously thought it was me, flay, notsience, the duck, and Fart bane. Kay.

So, add number 0ne to the anti town bit. Not because they were jumping my case, but they arent participating close to deadline.

[jmo16mla]

Flay, two people you want to lynch if not science isnt scum. GO.

Not science, two people who you think are scum. Fart and Duck?

Jmo, meh, its hard.. I have a feeling duck is scum, but i cant find much on him. Il go with fart(meh) and number. Potentially flay.

[jmo16mla]

Hey number, try to not echo what everyone else is saying cool?

[jmo16mla]

Unvote

Well, if we're all doing this, then I'll post my reads as well.

If notscience flips town, then I'd say FB is most likely scum. If not, then I'm unsure on him.

Other than that, I was more suspicious of jmo compared to everyone else, but it's reducing because this tactic might be effective. On the other hand, it could just give mafia more information to decide their NK. Still, this current tactic feels fairly town.

So, are you for a no NS lynch?

[jmo16mla]

Mod replace me out please...

Well, time's running short.

Vote: notscience

The guy just asked to replace out and you fucking hammered? What the fuck? We get an extension when a replacement is found. Good god.

[jmo16mla]

I'm lynching the fuck out of flay tomorrow.

[jmo16mla]

Maybe, not sure.

[jmo16mla]

Okay. so. this is what we call LYLO. or lynch or lose. Notice, it takes 3 to lynch. If a townie votes another townie, both scum can vote that townie at once and immediately end the game. so PLEASE. DO NOT VOTE. flay, that means you.

This day is truly about discussion without voting. It is truly detrimental to town if you do not discuss as much as possible.

I will be reading over the game more. But tonight, i sleep.

AGAIN, DO NOT VOTE. unless of course youve got a guilty or the tracker found someone.

[jmo16mla]

BUT NO VOTING.

[jmo16mla]

Epic usefulness.

[jmo16mla]

I'm going to say that te PR shouldn't claim unless 1. They have a guilty or 2. They have an innocent and they are about to be lynched. Obviously, if they are about to be lynched, they should speak up.

Il go over this thread some tonight.

[jmo16mla]

Well, I don't have that much to contribute, but I find that claiming would be beneficial. It would either give us 2 people to lynch between, or give us 1 clear. Depending on who the clear is, it could win us the game. While it would result in the PR dying, if we don't focus on today, there's no need to worry about the next day from now.

As for my suspicion list it's

Mr. Flay
The-Duck
Jmo16mla
geraintm

with least at the top and most at the bottom.

Why did you hammer yesterday? Here I am tooting my horn, but do you think scum would have reacted the way that I did when you hammered? /donetootinghorn

[jmo16mla]

It's the second time that you call people out for bad hammers, might be a good idea to prevent the situation

Okay. How do you suppose I stop people from voting?

claiming to be town because of how you react to the hammer

its just a question. Do you feel that my reaction is one from scum? Pretty simple.

Yesterday you have been defending NS without giving reasons other than "this is terrible" or "this game is anti-town!" which is also a nice way to get easy towncred

I don't think i defended NS... where does "this game is anti town" cross the line of defending someone? The game WAS anti town. we had pretty much one wagon per day, and no shifting of votes or anything. It keeps scum from having to make too many choices and screw up along the way. you follow?

In fact, I'm having a hard time finding your scumhunting-posts..

Not to point a finger, but I don't really remember much of your contributions.. actually, I think the game would pretty much be the same without you.

Right, so. my scum players.. everyone. I really have everyone as much scum as others. Flay a little less.

[jmo16mla]

Wanted to hammer who yesterday?

[jmo16mla]

@ flay - yep 441 is a summary.

@jmo flay a little less? You wanted to hammer yesterday.

I want to vote flay. Will do so unless someone gives me a good reason to not do so.

Are you scum TRYING to draw out a PR?

[jmo16mla]

Why did you hammer yesterday? Here I am tooting my horn, but do you think scum would have reacted the way that I did when you hammered? /donetootinghorn

I forgot about the possibility of an extension, and I was worried about the day ending.

Then why didn't you ask what the circumstances were?


That lynching flay, was to keep him and me alive. As I see flay as a town read, I'm town, and well, scum could see this as a potential to mislynch so they kept me alive.

[jmo16mla]

Sure.

[jmo16mla]

Why did you hammer yesterday? Here I am tooting my horn, but do you think scum would have reacted the way that I did when you hammered? /donetootinghorn

I forgot about the possibility of an extension, and I was worried about the day ending.

Then why didn't you ask what the circumstances were?

I don't understand what you mean with that question.

That lynching flay, was to keep him and me alive. As I see flay as a town read, I'm town, and well, scum could see this as a potential to mislynch so they kept me alive.

Wasn't the reason you said we should give our reads is so that people don't go and flip-flop their suspicions?

So why aren't you pressuring G if he is your main scum read?

[jmo16mla]

Stop fake voting flay. Seriously though.

[jmo16mla]

Okay, sine you cant get a hint, im a tracker. I tracked flay night one and he didnt go anywhere. hence, flay isnt going anywhere anytime soon and my town read. fuck

[jmo16mla]

Flay is likely town Mindgamer,

I don't think flay is going anywhere

anytime soon.

see here..

So. flay may indeed be scum though. obviously tracking doesn't clear someone.

[jmo16mla]

I will read the rest later if geraintm hasn't killed us all. Going to work.

So, if your duck-geraintm scum team is indeed scum, why are you worried about being hammered?

[jmo16mla]

oh.

[jmo16mla]

It would be helpful for other players to get online to confirm that youre scum.

[jmo16mla]

or g is scum.

[jmo16mla]

Can SOMEONE edit that to actually show the video?

Edited to show the video.
-DV

[jmo16mla]

ohh so thats how you do it. interesting.
VOTE: flay

[jmo16mla]

just kidding.
UNVOTE:

[jmo16mla]

How about another shall we?

[jmo16mla]

oh poo.

[jmo16mla]

THIS GAME IS SO INTENSE.

[jmo16mla]

This is BS... I cant say this has ever happened.

[jmo16mla]

flay, you killed mindgamer last night. Im really dissapointed in you. Whos your scum partner?

[jmo16mla]

So you're admitting that I watched correctly?

[jmo16mla]

Flay, scum never have day talk in newbie games.

[jmo16mla]

Or you're scum...

[jmo16mla]

Flay asking if scum have day talk has really bothered me. Along with him thinking he would be hammered with G and the duck being scum partners...

I mean, damn. You like, share site control.. But this isn't an argue about that.

Flay, have you ever played in a newbie game where scum had day talk?

[jmo16mla]

I'm not convinced you aren't scum.. I'm also not convinced you're not flays partner. I'm not convince that partners are going to vote seperately.

[jmo16mla]

Hey duck, unvote.

[jmo16mla]

THIS IS ME TELLING YOU TO VOTING, LIKE YOU ASKED ME TO DO AT DAY BREAK.

You didn't even let number 1 post his thoughts. After he said he would. Wtf.

[jmo16mla]

So, number one and the duck arent scum together. cool.

[jmo16mla]

possible scum teams.

Flay-Ger
Flay-number 0ne
Flay-theduck

Ger-number0ne
Ger-theduck
Ger-flay

Number0ne-Flay
Number0ne-Ger

Theduck-flay
Theduck-Ger

WOO

[jmo16mla]

I'm aware there are duplicates...

[jmo16mla]

I'll look over flay and Ger. obviously one is scum. I felt Ger was town when he appeared and immediatly built his case against flay.

Now, I'm still not throwing out flay and ger team.. Is it unlikely? sure. but youd get massive town points for it.

[jmo16mla]

The duck number one anyone?

[jmo16mla]

I just want to say screw both of you guys for making this last longer than it should have. you both could have hammered like yesterday. thats the ONLY reason you were crossed off my list.

I tracked you last night.

[jmo16mla]

I'm glad SOMEONE caught my breadcrumb. haha

[jmo16mla]

the matrix setup needs to be changed to having a watcher instead of a tracker. HUGE disadvantage there.

[jmo16mla]

PEdit: I think the doctor/watcher combo would be really dangerous.

meaning?

[jmo16mla]

I'm confused.

[jmo16mla]

OHHHHHH. gotcha.

[jmo16mla]

Ill admit. i played the newb card for number0ne.

[jmo16mla]

Thats a big reason I dont like newbie games. I tend to give newer players newb cards for scummy things they do. meh.

[jmo16mla]

Flay, your initial attack on me on page two, that was just to facilitate conversation right? that wasnt serious eh?

[jmo16mla]

I don't remember that game.. haha.

Flay's lol hammer day one was particular bothering. That's why i tracked him. Then, stupidly i realized that he probably wouldnt be doing the night action. Same with number0ne. I really wanted to punch number when he didn't wait for the replacement. which is where i was like NEWB move. bah. thats aggravating.

Upon Geranium replacing, I found he was rather town with his immediate attacking of flay. I still thought flay was town though. Like I said through the game, the duck never really stuck out to me. he was just there. number was just odd.

[jmo16mla]

so its number one+the duck?

[jmo16mla]

Night one: you
Night two: number0ne.