Newbie 1474: Maestro's Banksy Mafia - GAME OVER

[Yiley]

VOTE: ddd
For being scum last time I played with you

[Yiley]

I thought he was null town until I died then before I read the dead topic I thought he was scum, and a newbie mishammered, leading to ddd winning. About the time I died his posting style changed.

[Yiley]

Also as a note you newbies need to be active no one could get any reads in that game because no one posted for a long time and the final three were very inactive besides ddd who was doing it on purpose. BE ACTIVE. also I'm bad at this game and I will be scum read by a majority most likely at some point. My past games show this.

[Yiley]

No I will try my best this game like any other game and will expect you to form your read on me indepently of anything like that I say

[Yiley]

So when I already have more active ness than you I'm coasting? You just got a pre conceived idea and ignored my last post, that isn't gonna fly here bud.
VOTE: micc
Also if Danny makes very few posts and is inactive he is prob scum

[Yiley]

You wannaa go look at my games? Does it look like I have ever done the type of coasting you are describing? I have had 1 scum game and it was bad. Activity as in if I post something for you to respond to how long on average do I have to wait for an answer

[Yiley]

That cus you are on. Any time of the day. At all times if you post something for me to respond to it doesn't matter if it is 1am or 1pm I will respond within 7 hours at the most unless something goes on. Usually if something is going on I tell people. Such as this evening I won't be on due to having basketball.

[Yiley]

I didn't say people shouldn't scum read me. People should be scum read and scum read others. What I did say was that I will be scumread by a lot of people at some point. Being scumread by a majority at some point =\= don't scum read me

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Serious here ts try to avoid trolling outside of rvs plz. Btw micc it is rvs not rsv so you know. Prob a typo but in case it isn't. Jk is looking very similar to how I did in my first game. Jk 1 vote in rvs isn't the end of the world. You don't need to worry that much about it, although addressing is ok sometimes

[Yiley]

Because I tangent on about unrelated stuff all the time in my games. Like my basketball games and other things. I try not to but I do end up tangenting.
FOR MICC the above should have no effect on how you see said tangents that will almost assuredly happen at some point. Maybe not because I'm working on it.

[Yiley]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34150
Town game ^ go ahead and read it. Also do you see what is happening. "Oh this guy says he might be scummy" natural response- "why don't I go look at some town and scum games of his so I can tell the difference".
The response you lazy fuckers have - " I'm too lazy to go look at a game so I'll just scumread him because he said I would at some point anyway".
^this look very smart to you? It doesn't to me.

[Yiley]

My first read is the most obvious one in yiley. I have no clue why he would put that post up about his play style being scummy. All that post did was bring attention to himself and make himself look scummy in the process. For all we know he could want us to think he is completely stupid but that doesn't make sense either cause the way he is posting could get him killed which that doesn't help him one bit. At this rate he is looking like scum to me.

I don't think this answers the question I asked you.

I know "null" and I know "town", but what is "null town"? What did you like about his push?

Null-town would be partway between null and town. I liked his push mostly because it was a push. At a time when lots of other players are sitting on their hands he found something he thought was scummy and acted on it.

So you felt the need to point out your extremely weak town read on a player because they... pushed someone?

Does not feel natural.

Your saying this doesn't feel natural. If I could then ask you a question, what would feel natural here. Every time you say this could you answer this please?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34150
Town game ^ go ahead and read it. Also do you see what is happening. "Oh this guy says he might be scummy" natural response- "why don't I go look at some town and scum games of his so I can tell the difference".
The response you lazy fuckers have - " I'm too lazy to go look at a game so I'll just scumread him because he said I would at some point anyway".
^this look very smart to you? It doesn't to me.

Pointing to your own meta is never an actual defense, so it's less about being lazy and more about not wanting to waste my time.

Do you plan on scum-hunting soon instead of continuing to frantically defend yourself from a couple votes?

I'd also like to ask this, does this make any sense at all? A basic part of the game is reading and/or playing games with people in your game so you can get a good read on them in particular because basic reading abilities don't work on some people. As you will see me and dddp have different styles and you can't read us the same way.

[Yiley]

I did it so people will not be lazy people otherwise I would have undoubtedly been fine for a bit then done something scummy.

[Yiley]

Sorry guys I was a basketball tourney all weekend, my guys jv team got third place, and my girls varsity got first and stuff So I was kind of distracted yesterday. Currently liking micc.

[Yiley]

UNVOTE: micc

[Yiley]

While I'm here but not voting I'll at least throw out another question.

Who would a "dumb Mafia" target on this game's Night 1?

This strikes me as very scummy. Why the heck would you ever ask that question as town or mafia? Just why?

[Yiley]

It isn't on its own line? Do I win a prize?

[Yiley]

While I'm here but not voting I'll at least throw out another question.

Who would a "dumb Mafia" target on this game's Night 1?

This strikes me as very scummy. Why the heck would you ever ask that question as town or mafia? Just why?

So far I've given you the benefit of the doubt. I don't know your meta but I'll trust that you give off scum vibes that my senses have yet to become accustomed to.

Could you explain why you, the so-called "inherently scummy" player of the game, are baffled by the question? Share your wisdom with me on why it would be a blunder to ask asTown as well as why it would be a blunder to ask as Scum. I can see that BM is also asking you but here we are.

Ok here we go. This would be a blunder for town because: it has literally no use for town, and, if answered may give a new or inexperienced mafia someone to target or not target, also could cause town to lynch the poster.
Bad as scum because: it may cause town too lynch poster, and still doesn't give that much information because town might not answer it truthfully.
As either town or mafia it is a very risky question to ask. However if scum does ask it people might start reading it to scummy to be scum, so town does need to pay attention to the poster.
The reason I haven't placed my vote is because the too scummy for scum thing but I'm just gonna do it now.
VOTE: l_b

[Yiley]

Pedit sorry bm didn't see that

[Yiley]

No that is bad even as a reaction test, and could end up being very good or very bad for scum, risky play not a god thing however you explain it.binky

[Yiley]

That ain't scummy that was a really bad post on his part no matter what he says

[Yiley]

Just saying I am a bad player.
Nonce try to excuse your incoming OMGUS vote binky.
Also nice job not answering any of the questions asked of you.

[Yiley]

That is really scummy from nwb but I don't wanna vote in case micc miscounted and he is at l-1.

[Yiley]

I may do so give me a sec

[Yiley]

Ok ya l-2
VOTE: nowaybaby

[Yiley]

That was hammer...

[Yiley]

It was l-2 before I voted I'm so stupid ugh

[Yiley]

Actually I think it was obvious it was l-2 as micc said as I agreed with him then placed nwb at l-1. I think this goes more on you for not being able to read then me not being really super super clear

[Yiley]

I thought my post conveyed that well but oh well what happened happened now we don't have as much discussion time binky hammer happened voting is over for the day.and you didn't say I was a bad player I was talking to someone else. Also you did exactly what I said you would. And yo didn't answer the questioni in the post directly above the one you made.

[Yiley]

So from your point of view the guy who makes sure he isn't hammering and makes big deal out of it is scummy? That is good.
Bt thinking that the guy who didn't read and hammered you is town? Ya that is bad. Not saying ts is scum just wanna look into him now.

[Yiley]

I will agree that they are kinda annoying.

[Yiley]

Hmmm, black pawn is okay, maybe scum. I don't really have any solid scum reads now though.

[Yiley]

I said it is l-2 BEFORE MY VOTE true? Someone above had said this is l-2 correct? Not that difficult to figure out. I will take it on my self that I should have posted that my vote was l-1 but not paying attention like that points toward scum reasoning also true?

[Yiley]

^^

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The way I see it it could be either, scum or no scum. What if scum comes along, and they see a post like mine where they can hammer a townie and say it was an accident. If that is what happened scum team is probably jk and ts. It could just be an accident, in which case jk is still buddying really hard.

[Yiley]

Tier what is your opinion on my latest post? Thoughts?

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But noob scum might. I've read some noob games and seen that happen.

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I'm not sure on you jk on the otherhand, is buddying so hard to anyone who will let him buddy. I'm gonna have to
VOTE: jklash

[Yiley]

Just as a note micc I do have it as scummy but he is not scum read #1

[Yiley]

So not reading or paying attention aren't scummy? Those are trademark scum tells.

[Yiley]

Ya I'm carrying this on too long guys. That's a problem I have irl. Carry on

[Yiley]

Analysis of Yiley

ISO 0-1: RVS
ISO 2: Already been discussed; Yiley is trying to get us to excuse future scummy play.
ISO 3: Tries to excuse ISO 2, but obviously there is no excuse.
ISO 4: Bad OMGUS attack. Important though, because it points to Yiley and Micc not being buddies.
ISO 5-7: Getting defensive over people's attacks.
ISO 8: Yiley's coaching jklash feels off. Potential buddies.
ISO 9-10: Defensive and self-meta.
ISO 11: First evidence of scum-hunting, the bolded within my quote.
ISO 12: Nothing special
ISO 13-14: Coming back after his disappearance.
ISO 15: His first actual post since coming back and 50+ posts passing. Only talks about one thing. Asks his second question of the game but it had already been asked.
ISO 16: Fluff
ISO 17: I have a big problem with this post. His question, which he asked Binky first, remains unanswered but he is completely willing to answer Binky's question, even thought his answer could easily affect Binky's answer. Shows that he is more concerned with how other people view him than he is with catching scum. Also the attack on Binky is bad. Yiley and Binky are probably not a team.
ISO 18: He shouldn't have even needed my post, he should have seen it himself.
ISO 19-21: Mudslinging / trying to back up his bad vote.
ISO 22: "ooh look a wagon but I'm a good little townie so I won't vote until I see a vote count"
ISO 23-25: Hops on wagon, reasonless, points out hammer
ISO 26: Assumes it is his fault
ISO 27: "ooh wait Micc interpreted my post another way, yeah I'm gonna interpret it that way too so I can put the blame on someone else"
ISO 28: An eyesore for anyone who appreciates grammar / sentence structure.
ISO 29: Blatantly admits he was making a big deal out the vote count thing. Lines up with ISO 22 looking fake.
ISO 30: Nothing Special
ISO 31: "ooh look a popular scumread. I think I'll just fence sit so I can hop onto that wagon if need be." Also what does Yiley mean he doesnt have any scumreads? What happened to Binky and TierShift from Day 1?
ISO 32: Oh, so you do have a scum read? You definitely seem to be scumreading TierShift based on this post. More development from ISO 26 and 27. His initial reaction is no longer existent, because he's found an opportunity to attack TierShift.
ISO 33: Agrees with Micc's attack in TierShift. Yiley is attacking TierShift without actually voting.
ISO 34: Oh, so it's not alignment indicative after all. Then why are you pushing it so hard? You also present two options but they both involve jklash being scum. Yet you say you don't have scumreads, and you aren't voting anyone.
ISO 35: I suppose if I squinted I could see this as a 3rd example of scumhunting.
ISO 36: Fluff
ISO 37: Here's a vote. The reason being that jklash defended TierShift from a bad attack. So you assume TS is town, because you say jklash is "buddying", even though if TS is town jklash is completely in the right for disagreeing with the attack on TS. What a terrible, illogical vote.
ISO 38: Oh but wait guise, I still have TS as scummy! I will board that wagon too!
ISO 39: BS
ISO 40: Realizes he's just BSing and apologizes.

CONCLUSION: I see 3 places in 40 posts where it looks like Yiley is scum-hunting. There's multiple things that point to him not actually trying to find scum, such as answering Binky, and not saying anything about the 50+ posts he was gone for. He hopped on the NWB wagon simply because it was a wagon. His recent play has been very contradictory and fence-sitty, in every sense of the terms.

VOTE: Yiley

He's scum, probably not scum with Binky, Micc, or Tiershift. Potentially scum with jklash or BlackPawn. Probably BlackPawn.

Lolololololol. In this post you call me out for mudslinging. What is the definition of that term? Oh ya, this post rofl.
Also where the hell did you get black pawn from?

[Yiley]

And also guys it is a bad attack to attack someone for mislynching a townie due to on reading comprehension skill or being scum. Yep that is not something to attack.

[Yiley]

One word to describe bm's play. Mudslinging. In a lot of your posts you find a way to discredit someone.

[Yiley]

Bm is I don't know. He is scum reading me and that makes me want to scum read him but I'm very paranoid so I'm really not sure at all, right now a toss up

[Yiley]

So micc looks town for making sure not another derp hammer. Other stuff from micc I don't know but that preventing derp hammer looks like a town to me. On bm all of his attack are pretty bad based on circumstantial bad evidence that can be a matter of opinion. They way his posts look good is with his blatant attacks on others ayers that make others look bad, I e mudslinging. I have to go to my bros school fair thing soon il check thread sometime around 8 pacific.

[Yiley]

Ok with that I am very confident bm +micc scum team. Binky is possible as replacement for micc
VOTE: bm
Never claim until intent to hammer ever that is a very very bad thing to do, as it can give scum a free role on who (not) to kill with them having to exert very little pressure.

[Yiley]

Ok with that I am very confident bm +micc scum team. Binky is possible as replacement for micc
VOTE: bm

Explain this.

BM, we don't claim here because there is no benefit to making someone claim that we aren't lynching; it just narrows down the nightkill pool for scum. I didn't want yiley to claim because binky wasn't at all sure of yiley being scum.

You, on the other hand, may claim now; it seems like you are very possibly the lynch for the day and no one is really defending you anymore. If you have a PR, you should claim and we can then verify it. Afterwards, we can go look for scum in the remaining people instead of getting a shitty deadline wagon.

There is no way after those posts there cannot have been 2 scum on my wagon, no way.mif a scum wasn't on it he would have found a way on but you didn't and jk didn't. The only way there isn't two scum is if black pawn is scum.

[Yiley]

They may just suck but they would have foun a way to build up to it and get on. Or they don't trust the town reads in their partner, in which case they could almost guaranteed get to 3 man lylo if they wanted to.

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Basicly I am very sure 2 scum are on my wagon

[Yiley]

so lord binky let me get this straight... you are set on lynchiing me as your #1 scum read, yet your #2 scumread is the loudest supporter of my wagon... that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Yiley]

@mod V/La from noon today (pst) until Sunday night.

Last basketball tournament of the year until summer ball.
Binky looks town.

[Yiley]

That doesn't look super scummy. He comes to a conclusion over several posts

[Yiley]

Ok I'll start this off with a bang. Jail keeper, was on ts last night

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Nope discuss my claim dude it happened don't ignore it, edo doesn't matter right now. This game is not all about you. I belive in your stupid #2 you meant to say

we'll

ask him any question that

we

might have. You aren't the only person who matter here.

[Yiley]

No bm was not the most town player in the game. He was pretty scummy. The most town player in the game doesn't get voted and hammered. My n1 target was bm mostly because I saw people saying they were leaning town on him.so I naturally thought mafia would try to kill him and went on him with some misgivings. Tiershift is my strongest town read of the moment and got my target. Also remember that in a game of mafia almost anything can happen so don't use the I didn't think he would be hammered excuse especially after accident hammer day 1

[Yiley]

Binky or jk please

[Yiley]

Edo... I thought you were town ;(

[Yiley]

Edos black pan was on during that time and made multiple posts, and undoubtedly some in the mafia qt, but even if he was town I am sure he would have sent in his action.
Pretty obvious lie there guys

[Yiley]

Are you even serious yiley

Someone who goes from something like this to not hammering me is probably not scum.

[Yiley]

Why the hell would scum not have hammered me there? If he was scum he would have found a way. The fact that he didn't seriously strengthened my read on him in the town direction.

[Yiley]

No not a legitimate ISO post. Most of those comments were unnecessary and just made it look like he was doing more. Mst of it wasn't even scummy things just the way he worded to make me look bad.

[Yiley]

Why the hell would scum not have hammered me there? If he was scum he would have found a way. The fact that he didn't seriously strengthened my read on him in the town direction.

Oh, this argument again. I thought I dismissed it, but it got eaten by tigers so I'll try again.

At your wagon's strongest point it was...
(3) Yiley - Lord Binky, Brilliant Maniac, Micc [L-1]
The same argument can be made about jklash being strongly town because he did not find a way to hammer you. Why is Tiershift different than jklash?

At its strongest point Brilliant Maniac's wagon was...
(4) Brilliant Maniac - jklash, Tiershift, Yiley, Lord Binky
The same argument can be made about me being strongly town because I did not find a way to hammer you. Why is Tiershift different than me?

Because jk was saying in thread he might hammer me. Tier was not. Could you repeat number 2 in English?

[Yiley]

Bm as I already said

[Yiley]

@mod also v/la until Monday.

[Yiley]

Reading what was said this weekend inactivity can be a scum tell and it can work as shown in this game : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=32444

[Yiley]

Well as I was null town on his slot before I don't have a reason besides that. Why the heck would I need more than that?

[Yiley]

Also tier is town because he knows me. He knows I'm a easy Mislynch for scum and knowing such wouldn't have gone and tried to town read me. Killing tier as scum would make since because it thus opens the door to Mislynch me with little to no opposition,

[Yiley]

It would eliminate another potential clear, most likely micc if he was shot yesterday. In some places it is good but not here. Also I'm laughing at how many times edo has slipped.

[Yiley]

Actually binky looks like he is running a bus play to me. Why do you not think so tier?

[Yiley]

I thought I was? Maybe I forgot to.
VOTE: edos
I'm not 100% on binky scum. however I'm not dismissing it completely, as it looks like he could be doing a bus play

[Yiley]

I'm considering jk and binky as the scum partners for edo. I haven't completely ruled out you and micc but those two are my top suspects

[Yiley]

Jk trying to get a case using... Rvs... For future reference jk rvs is typically not used for cases after d1 because it is mostly just joking around and having fun.

[Yiley]

How strong do you expect attacks pre 50 posts to be? Somebody has to start some attacks for something...

[Yiley]

Rb Would be a pr and would avoid claiming a town pr as that would lead mafia to a worse situation then if a goon dies. So typically if there is a counter claim it is done by the goon and the mafia pr claims vt

[Yiley]

I don't think I'm really entiteled to on opinion as I'm up for lynch if we don't lynch you so my option might bias people in a wrong way. As such I will refrain from giving an opinion for the moment

[Yiley]

If you want my opinion that bad here goes.
I'm not really sure it matters that much weather we lynch edos or one of tier jk today, like ya roleblocker alive but then we have 1 scum left making it easier to scum hunt. I think there is merit to both ways

[Yiley]

I'm most town on tier but that has deteriorated some today. I scum read binky most, but jk is still a viable option, if we lynch between those three

[Yiley]

That is just..... Flail of the year......
VOTE: jk
L-1

[Yiley]

We may have won but not neccisarily

[Yiley]

Well the wouldn't that be a mod error because mafia only wins when they outnumber town, or nothing can stop them from doing so, and in this case something could have stopped them from doing so whatever I would have guessed wrong anyway