Newbie 1478 -- Game Over

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #6 (isolation #0) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:45 am

Flash confirm!

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #7 (isolation #1) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:45 am

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #10 (isolation #2) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 6:47 am

Bring it ns
this game we race to see who dies first.
unless you're scum, then which I'll make sure you die first and early

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #14 (isolation #3) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:56 am

Two moar

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #16 (isolation #4) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:23 am

In post 11, notscience wrote:That's bull

We both know I never get NK'd

Lying already hmm?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #19 (isolation #5) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 4:05 am

The game didn't even begin but I have townread on bipolar and notsci.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #23 (isolation #6) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:55 am

We sure can.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #25 (isolation #7) » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:04 am

In post 18, notscience wrote:Lets townbloc this game and steamroll

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #35 (isolation #8) » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:04 am

This is yet another best pre game ever

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #58 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:37 am

In post 55, notscience wrote:GIF what do you think of a Freak wagon

Where is it?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #61 (isolation #10) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:28 am

In post 59, BipolarChemist wrote:
In post 58, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 55, notscience wrote:GIF what do you think of a Freak wagon
Where is it?
I believe the real question we should all be asking is "What is it?", "Why do we need it?", "What is so god danged important about the 'Freak' wagon?".

Any thoughts on players yet?

I asked it because it didn't exist

(Even though his next post clearly indicates that I misunderstood his question

)

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #62 (isolation #11) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 9:31 am

In post 60, notscience wrote:VOTE: Freak

All aboard!

VOTE: Freak

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #71 (isolation #12) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:56 pm

I PM'd the mod to reset all the votes to make everyone's life easier, but I dunno.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #72 (isolation #13) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:56 pm

In post 63, Freak wrote:

I like turtles.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #73 (isolation #14) » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:59 pm

In post 64, BipolarChemist wrote:We should hold back on the Freak train for a bit, as we don't know what votes were before the Happening.

This is town.

In post 65, Freak wrote:I'm counting at least three votes on me, two here and one in the lost pages (fused's). so we're looking at a L-2ish situation.

and I'm still looking for an answer from you BPC. your last posts looks town, so why are you not addressing my doubts on you?

I agree.

Also, Freak, regardless of your alignment, I freakin' love your posts.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #76 (isolation #15) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 4:11 am

Any reads on them?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #86 (isolation #16) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:36 am

In post 82, notscience wrote:VOTE: notscience

Lets see if we can get me to L-1 before page 5!

Challenge accepted.
VOTE: notscience

L-1

In post 83, fused_shadows wrote:Must.... resist..... joining......... bandwagon...........

Hi, I'm fused_shadows, or Fused for short. One thing you should know about me: My name is Fused.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Something seems fishy about a guy claiming to be in a freezer....

I'm not actually a guy in a freezer mind you.
Technically it is Guyi N. Freezer.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #88 (isolation #17) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:41 am

Nigerians buy that name quite easily ya know.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #90 (isolation #18) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:44 am

What's lynch-chicken?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #92 (isolation #19) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:48 am

In post 87, fused_shadows wrote:
In post 86, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 83, fused_shadows wrote:Must.... resist..... joining......... bandwagon...........

Hi, I'm fused_shadows, or Fused for short. One thing you should know about me: My name is Fused.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Something seems fishy about a guy claiming to be in a freezer....
I'm not actually a guy in a freezer mind you.
Technically it is Guyi N. Freezer.

So you have problem with that and not have a problem with me putting someone at L-1 in page 4?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #93 (isolation #20) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:48 am

In post 91, notscience wrote:Well we see how long I sit at L-1 so you guys can "garner" reads about me before someone claims intent

obvi

Sure, why not.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #95 (isolation #21) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:50 am

I'll blame it all on you just for this time.

I expected you to vote me here though

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #97 (isolation #22) » Fri Feb 28, 2014 10:58 am

Ssh.
Don't spoil the fun yet

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #106 (isolation #23) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 2:05 am

I think he means by first to call for wagon.
(In that sense, the second in line would be notscience himself

so he should vote him

)
I would understand if it was a vote for L-1 but his reasoning I don't understand.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #108 (isolation #24) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:50 am

What do YOU think?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #110 (isolation #25) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:39 am

I see.

I waited a little while to see if I get something more out of Rach after this because

In post 98, RachMarie wrote:I am not going to contribute to your game, boys I want to hear from everyone so I can peg who is scum, and I doubt BOTH of you are scum budz.

this looks like an attempt to ignore the elephant in the game while going after the towncred by following the textbook approach.
This actually almost make me want to vote her.

What do you think?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #111 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:43 am

I guess for the sake of this being the newbie game I'll speak to you directly.

In post 103, sthehill wrote:This is ridiculous. Barely a day in, and we've already got someone one vote from being lynched. Something smells scummy about all this to me. I'd vote to lynch Freak, since he started the train; it just seems like to obvious a move. Seems more likely that the second person in line would be scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

Barely a day in, and already a L-1. What is exactly scummy about all that in your opinion?
Note that I want your own opinion, not the textbook opinion of "oh someone could derphammer and no info blah blah blah".
What made you think that it was Freak who started the wagon? What do you think of notsci's self-vote?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #113 (isolation #27) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:16 am

To L-1 wagon?
I would expect town-Rach to yell at me, call me bad, and place a vote on me for putting someone in L-1 already.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #114 (isolation #28) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:16 am

Probably with the facepalm emoticon

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #116 (isolation #29) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:39 am

In post 115, sthehill wrote:Whether or not you believe he is a townie

I have decided that he is town since pre-game.

Can you elaborate on that "train of thought" that was nullified? Because I don't remember.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #117 (isolation #30) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:40 am

In post 115, sthehill wrote:Notsci's self vote is actually rather brilliant. Whether or not you believe he is a townie, it implies that he's not terribly worried about what happens if he's lynched, which strongly implies townie (at least as far as I can tell...).

Also I like this observation.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #119 (isolation #31) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:41 am

Hey notsci do you think we should move on or are you not yet satisfied with the results yet?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #120 (isolation #32) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:47 am

Because with this I think I solidified/gained townread on Freak and sthehill.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #122 (isolation #33) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:51 am

I like his carefree lightfelt posts and his #109 rings town to me.

VOTE: Rach

Choo choo?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #123 (isolation #34) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:53 am

In post 43, Freak wrote:*chugs pancake mix while looking Bip dead in the eyes*

*burps*

alright, so you're saying that you made a case on notty but voted our friendly gator instead? ok, cool. cool cool cool.

VOTE: Bip

(^ just to remind myself for later)

I also liked this post too.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #125 (isolation #35) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 6:55 am

I think I mentioned BPC townread pre-game as well.
(It's either in the lost posts or it was one of those "It's in my head but derp forgot to post").

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #127 (isolation #36) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:04 am

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #129 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:58 am

Few things.
notscience is easy as hell to read if you know what exactly you're looking for.
Sometimes, I only need one single post to read him. That's how easy it is to read him.
Also elaborate on "especially if townreads flip town."
Does that mean town is not allowed to be right or am I missing something?

Also baiting an hammer is dumb. I actually expected no one to hammer because based on my experience, as so many people fear the derphammer, the chances of happening is actually minimal. Also it is more often town who ends up derphammering. Bringing something big and dramatic is an excellent way to garner stances and reactions.

Why does being first time to play with prevents you from voting?
If you are that curious, you can always go look for it yourself. "I don't know if it's true so I'm not voting" seems like a lazy excuse to me.

I believe he hasn't posted yet. What's your opinions on the other players?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #130 (isolation #38) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:00 am

You can easily find the games they played by clicking on the username and click "view their topics", btw.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #131 (isolation #39) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:06 am

Does that mean town is not allowed to be right or am I missing something?

NVM this. Took me a while to figure what you were saying.

So what made me have all those townreads on pre-game?

Tonality.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #134 (isolation #40) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:51 am

Tonality is something that just can't be faked most of the time.
Faking an entirely different tonality will be presented forcefully.
notscience isn't just a player who can present a good pokerface.
You can look up his games to judge for yourself.

Also, as I said, if you don't trust what I said, you can look it up yourself. I'm telling you to observe my points and present your own views about it. I'm not asking you to just blindly sheep and I made myself clear on this.
To be honest, I can't even see where you're getting that idea from.
Is it a fear? Stalling? Or just a rebellious nature?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #141 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:48 am

In post 135, fused_shadows wrote:
In post 134, GuyInFreezer wrote:Tonality is something that just can't be faked most of the time.
Faking an entirely different tonality will be presented forcefully.
notscience isn't just a player who can present a good pokerface.
You can look up his games to judge for yourself.
I'd be more than glad to do just that, once I have the time to do so.

In post 134, GuyInFreezer wrote:Also, as I said, if you don't trust what I said, you can look it up yourself. I'm telling you to observe my points and present your own views about it. I'm not asking you to just blindly sheep and I made myself clear on this.
To be honest, I can't even see where you're getting that idea from.
Is it a fear? Stalling? Or just a rebellious nature?
Well, you asked me why the fact that that I've never played with them before made me not vote, and I explained that I'm not just going to "blindly sheep" and follow you. I don't have my own views yet, but I will once I do get the time to look over past games in-depth. Until then, I'm neutral.

Guess I was not clear after all.
What I was asking you was why was being first time to play with relevant to whether to hold a vote.
I got the answer to that.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #144 (isolation #42) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:02 pm

In post 140, RachMarie wrote:GIF

You know better than that. I know you would not be so obvious as scum as to put a L-1 vote on someone during RVS.

Besides I already did the facepalm at Notty for the self vote.

Feeling pretty good about Freak for town so far.

For clarification, this is a townread on me, correct?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #145 (isolation #43) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:04 pm

In post 142, BipolarChemist wrote:I agree on the reads on sthehill and Freak.

sthehill displays a sort of naivety that I wouldn't expect a first time scum to have.
I sometimes find these reads cheap, because it's like a town confirmation simply through misunderstanding.
His 'moment of clarity' later on when he realizes the goal of Notscience's vote on himself was good. Definitely a top lister for my town list.

Freak is trying to read into smaller actions, and trying to give explanations for them. As town with not much to go on, this is exactly what I expect to see. A scum doing that would be desperate, but this is too early for desperation. Freak is another on my town list.

I'd like to go back and look into some of GIFs, Notsciences, and Rach's games tonight. I'll be back with more thoughts later!

In the game of competition between two alignments, there is no such thing as "cheap". You use what you can use, if that helps your faction win. Technically, my townread on notsci is "cheap" too, but hey you don't see me complaining

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #146 (isolation #44) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 4:04 pm

In post 144, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 140, RachMarie wrote:GIF

You know better than that. I know you would not be so obvious as scum as to put a L-1 vote on someone during RVS.

Besides I already did the facepalm at Notty for the self vote.

Feeling pretty good about Freak for town so far.
For clarification, this is a townread on me, correct?

This plus, the reads on others?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #148 (isolation #45) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 5:42 pm

In post 147, fused_shadows wrote:All I'm saying is that I'm not going to just blindly agree, and vote to put Rach at L-2. That's an extremely dangerous move, especially this early in the day.

And you had no problem with me putting someone at L-1?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #160 (isolation #46) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:30 am

In post 159, BipolarChemist wrote:Also, side not from my delving deep into GiF's games. Go Chem Majors!

O/

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #161 (isolation #47) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:33 am

Hey fused, clarify this for me.
When I put someone in L-1, you gave me a pass for it, calling it a joke.
But when someone put someone in L-2, you freak out and call the move dangerous.
By the same logic, shouldn't L-1 more dangerous than L-2, joke or not?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #170 (isolation #48) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:41 pm

In post 164, Otoot wrote:Hi, shoot me questions and stuff. I'll catch up fast.

Reads and thoughts?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #171 (isolation #49) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:42 pm

Also I just realized that Rach posted but didn't answer my questions, so I'll quote them again.

In post 146, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 144, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 140, RachMarie wrote:GIF

You know better than that. I know you would not be so obvious as scum as to put a L-1 vote on someone during RVS.

Besides I already did the facepalm at Notty for the self vote.

Feeling pretty good about Freak for town so far.
For clarification, this is a townread on me, correct?
This plus, the reads on others?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #181 (isolation #50) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:51 pm

In post 180, sthehill wrote:This comes from his willingness to take on Rach, combined with his push to create wagons on various people early on.

Elaborate how these are scummy?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #188 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:38 pm

Is it ten yet

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #203 (isolation #52) » Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:43 pm

Oh btw rach's vote is still sitting on the rvs btw

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #217 (isolation #53) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:48 am

Dodging prod.
I'll be back tomorrow night. Until then, I'll be busy with the project.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #219 (isolation #54) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:51 am

I wasn't expecting her to join the "game" btw.
It was the lack of "wtf?" reaction that bothered me from the beginning.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #227 (isolation #55) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 4:42 pm

Nothing happened ever since I prod dodged.

We need more action in this game. Somebody put Rach at L-1 or something so we can see her flail and stuff.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #230 (isolation #56) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:08 pm

In post 228, notscience wrote:
In post 227, GuyInFreezer wrote:Nothing happened ever since I prod dodged.

We need more action in this game. Somebody put Rach at L-1 or something so we can see her flail and stuff.
I think fused should.

Unless of course, fused is Rach's budd.

Then he won't.

Never tell specific person to vote someone. It taints the vc.
You always ask everyone to vote.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #231 (isolation #57) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 5:09 pm

In post 229, BipolarChemist wrote:VOTE: Rach

I may be drunk, but L-1 is always fun!

You don't need to be drunk to enjoy putting someone at L-1!

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #237 (isolation #58) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 6:05 pm

To be fair, Rach's inactiveness is not alignment indicative because she can be stupidly inactive as town too.
But that's not why I'm still voting her.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #239 (isolation #59) » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:16 am

Dodging questions when she had a chance, bad reaction from that lolL-1, etc

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #246 (isolation #60) » Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:57 pm

In post 242, sthehill wrote:
In post 239, GuyInFreezer wrote:Dodging questions when she had a chance, bad reaction from that lolL-1, etc
That makes sense, and is a good enough answer for me. Unfortunately, I dont' think it's enough for me to go ahead and vote for her, especially because it would be the final vote needed to lynch her. I'm just not sure enough to go ahead and do that, at least until I see her response.

On a side not, is there any correlation towards town or scum for people who drop out? Obviously they would tend to be town just because 7/9 people are town at the start, but it's just a thought to be pursued. I think I'm going to do some snooping around the threads of other (finished) games, and see what I can find out.

No.
Replacing out is a null tell.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #262 (isolation #61) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:46 am

Pdodge
(Should've done V/LA til tonight)

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #313 (isolation #62) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:23 pm

UNVOTE:

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #314 (isolation #63) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:24 pm

In post 263, notscience wrote:GIF how hungry are you for each blood

Let me get back to you on this after I re-organize myself tomorrow.
But I don't want Rach blood anymore

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #370 (isolation #64) » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:43 pm

I'm suddenly overencumbered with workload so I'll just base my read on this kindly provided readlist.

In post 369, BipolarChemist wrote:Need to get my thoughts organized!

Reads List:
NotScience - Null. Previous games gave me next to no info, or maybe I was just looking in the wrong place. I think he's being oddly evasive on some topics.
Freak - Moderate Town. Working towards discussion and finding scum, being proactive and entertaining.
GuyInFreezer - Null Town. Haven't heard from in a bit, I'd like to hear some thoughts. I do believe he promised us some reads!
RachMarie - Null. It's almost as if she just joined the game, but thats besides the point. I like that she finally gave some opinions and that she was able to give focused reads. Still not enough for me to form a full opinion though.
sthehill - Null Scum. Not really sure where ya went, buddy. I had my initial suspicions from pregame talk, but it wasn't really anything. Rach brought up some good points here though.
fused_shadows - Minor Scum. A little MIA the past couple days The more I go back into his past, the more I see a lot of unimportant points and a lot of worry about early voting. Quite a bit of flip-flopping. I may be up for this as a lynch candidate.
Vega - Null Scum. The whole misunderstanding part seems innocent on it's own, but I still think actions for what he thought leading up to it were scummy. I'd like to hear more from him, especially next Day Phase.
Pondus - Moderate Town. Few posts and I already think he's town. Honest feeling reads and a nice entrance.

I want to hear GiF's and Notscience's opinions if you guys don't mind. Thankyouverymuch.

Notsci up. Scum notsci tends to be more serious and coward. His self-vote itself and daring ppl to L-1 him is a huge towntell from him.
Freak is still town. Even though I don't quite get why he wanted to lynch me all of the sudden.
As per Rach, I'm gonna go back to her long posts in detail later (probably tomorrow), but for now, null-town.
Fused and sthehill are indeed MIA. I'm still not sure where to place fused because his play seemed a bit exotic. I'll go over Rach's long post later but for now I still think he's town.
Vega and Pondus I'll need more from. But I like Pondus more than Vega.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #372 (isolation #65) » Mon Mar 10, 2014 3:44 pm

Speaking of devil lol

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #388 (isolation #66) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:49 am

In post 384, Vega wrote:But, "I'll just base my read on this kindly provided readlist"? This seems to fail into the same kind of move I made earlier to Freak and Fused.

"base on the read" meant more like a response to the readlist because I was too

lazy

busy to write the readlist from the scratch.
I currently have incomplete read on you.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #390 (isolation #67) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 2:49 am

What exactly did you do to Freak and Fused?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #394 (isolation #68) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:32 am

In post 391, Vega wrote:@GuyInFreezer
I enforced whatever I read on Freak's post on Fused and decided to take Freak's side. And that was all because I thought I'm a replacement in a game that's almost over.

That's not quite what I'm doing in here though?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #404 (isolation #69) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:05 pm

In post 401, RachMarie wrote:Cute Notty. Why are you feeling paranoid of GiF? I thought he was one of your top town reads?

That's probably because I'm being lame.
Unfortunately, that lameness is probably staying this week until I get myself used to tight schedule with new part-time job.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #415 (isolation #70) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:41 pm

In post 405, Freak wrote:
In post 400, notscience wrote:If someone w ants to investigate GIF so I don't get paranoid of him that'd be great
come on guys, nobody has ants?

With protect too.
I have a high chance to die n1 since almost no one is scumreading me.
Or faking a scumread on me would be appreciated.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #416 (isolation #71) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:43 pm

To be honest all the reads below my townreads are iffy because some of the "scummy" actions are also likely to come from newb town :/
Distinguishing the newbtown and scum is still hard to me.
(lol this makes me sound like I've been doing something awesome recently)

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #417 (isolation #72) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:45 pm

Also at this point I think it is safe to assume that sthetil siteflaked, which sucks because he's one of the major wagon.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #418 (isolation #73) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:45 pm

Notsci do you still think rach is scum

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #423 (isolation #74) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:53 pm

In post 419, Freak wrote:scumslipping assumptions about the setting before any flips: check

trying to underplay the heat on fused and move the attention on an inactive player: check

hey nots, I think we found the other scumbuddy. whaddya think?

First of all, assumption can't be a slip.
Second of all, sthetill, if you remember, is my townread.
Third of all, forming association before flip is a bad practice and only fuels the confirmation bias.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #426 (isolation #75) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm

Townish.
I can't imagine scumRach efforting.

But her case on sthetil is bad.

Calling him out for fluffing when everyone else fluffed too, and calling him out on speculating on replacement rate when it's a common newbie question, etc tells me that those points are confbias at best.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #427 (isolation #76) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:05 pm

Hi rach I read your case

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #429 (isolation #77) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:10 pm

In post 103, sthehill wrote:This is ridiculous. Barely a day in, and we've already got someone one vote from being lynched. Something smells scummy about all this to me. I'd vote to lynch Freak, since he started the train; it just seems like to obvious a move. Seems more likely that the second person in line would be scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer

This kind of post is what I expected from newbtown.

In post 115, sthehill wrote:
In post 111, GuyInFreezer wrote:I guess for the sake of this being the newbie game I'll speak to you directly.

In post 103, sthehill wrote:This is ridiculous. Barely a day in, and we've already got someone one vote from being lynched. Something smells scummy about all this to me. I'd vote to lynch Freak, since he started the train; it just seems like to obvious a move. Seems more likely that the second person in line would be scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer
Barely a day in, and already a L-1. What is exactly scummy about all that in your opinion?
Note that I want your own opinion, not the textbook opinion of "oh someone could derphammer and no info blah blah blah".
What made you think that it was Freak who started the wagon? What do you think of notsci's self-vote?
Notsci's self vote is actually rather brilliant. Whether or not you believe he is a townie, it implies that he's not terribly worried about what happens if he's lynched, which strongly implies townie (at least as far as I can tell...).

As for how the wagon formed, I was looking at it from the posts that occured between the happening and the official start of Day 1; I lost my train of thought someone, and got that (nullified due to the happening) wagon confused with the current one on Notscience.

In post 69, Freak wrote:That's the answer I was looking for!

UNVOTE: Bip
VOTE: notscience

ALRIGHT LET'S SEE WHOSE TRAIN IS BIGGER

Come on fellow noobs let's bring this SE scum down. #nottynmytown

(Don't go overboard with the votes, he too has a vote in the lost pages -- Rach's)

In post 187, sthehill wrote:
In post 181, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 180, sthehill wrote:This comes from his willingness to take on Rach, combined with his push to create wagons on various people early on.
Elaborate how these are scummy?
Maybe it's just me, but I see high levels of aggression as being overly pro-town, as if he was saying "Look at me, I'm busting my ass to figure out who is scum."

As far as his taking on Rach, right now I have no read on her. To me though, my impression of her is something like that of a sleeping giant. Whichever side she is on, if she gets provoked, it will be bad for the other side.

These posts are quite transparent and I don't see this coming from newbscum.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #432 (isolation #78) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:14 pm

I never called sthe scum?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #433 (isolation #79) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:15 pm

In post 431, notscience wrote:gif she had that big ass readslist in xeno though

By effort, I meant pushing her scumreads.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #444 (isolation #80) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:20 am

dodge

LA until Sunday

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #557 (isolation #81) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:45 am

Hi guys.
I already read the thread but I request each of you to give me a recap of what happened near the end of Day 1.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #559 (isolation #82) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 3:58 am

In post 552, Vega wrote:
In post 551, Freak wrote:VOTE: Vega

wtf are you even talking about
What kind of reasoning is this? You're the one who's urging everyone to vote on Fused, and now you're starting Day 2 with "WTF are you talking about. Vote: Name."

You want to know what I was talking about? Read the post I posted then, it's not encrypted. Seems to me that this is an attempt to create as much chaos at the beginning of Day 2 as possible, desperately trying to distract people from seeing what you've done.
VOTE: Freak

What have he done?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #561 (isolation #83) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:27 am

In post 545, Nobody Special wrote:fused_shadows - 5 - Freak, notscience, BipolarChemist, Marquis, RachMarie

Quoting for reference. I promise this will be useful later.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #563 (isolation #84) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:35 am

And then my internet decides to derp.
Phoneposting now

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #564 (isolation #85) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 4:37 am

And as soon as I say that my internet works again weeeeeee

Also ugh fused got deadline lynched ._.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #569 (isolation #86) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:12 pm

Do you think scum would be that blatant on survivalism?
And that statement didnt really bother me since its coming out from marquis

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #573 (isolation #87) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:42 pm

All I can really say is...
Sorry for being busy irl?

I did manage to squeeze in the towncase on sthetill before VLA though.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #575 (isolation #88) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:49 pm

In post 570, RachMarie wrote:Just because it IS Marquis does not mean he did not draw a scum card.

Besides consider the pred as well.

My read of that slot as scum is on both players.

I never said marquis is town for that.
my point was that marquis acting like it is null for him.
I have townread on that slot for different reasons.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #576 (isolation #89) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 2:50 pm

Also I did express my opinion on the prev slot.
your response was "meh I'm not perfect."

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #584 (isolation #90) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:14 pm

My townread on his previous slot + [reason]

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #604 (isolation #91) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:31 pm

In post 585, Pondus wrote:OK, after going through the voting patterns, I have some observations.

Freak was pretty aggressive towards fused - had the first vote on him, and pushed others (see post #337) to vote for fused as well. This is a bit suspicious - well, actually more than a bit - which is why I doubt Freak is scum - if he was scum, this behaviour would have made him too much of a target when it became clear that fused was innocent. Tentative read for now: town

Vega was confused because the previous player had voted for fused (see post #328), but unvoting, instead of just leaving the vote suggests town to me. I still have some doubts, though.

Rach - semi-reluctantly hammering fused was a bit suspicious - but starting day 2 by voting for Marquis smells a bit scummy to me. However, as I suspected Marquis myself, it is hard for my to justify this as a strong scum read...so undecided for now.

GuyInFreezer - lying low - not actively pushing for fused to be lynched - town, or a scum, just happy to see the townies do the dirty work? Read: neutral

notscience - voted for fused, but never gave a good reason - not very active recently - feels like he is trying to fly under the radar. Tentative read: slight scum

Marquis was my #1 suspect, but I cannot give any really hard reasoning for that - just a feeling.

for now:

Vote: notscience

I'm a pacifist

I was waffling on that slot and I went on V/LA.

In post 593, notscience wrote:fucking lol

What is this wagon on me

I haven't posted on the site in days, so I'm scum for my inactivity in this game?

Bullshit

GIF has some explaining to do because Vega's entrance today reeked to high heaven and he hasn't posted shit about it yet.

When I'm not commenting I'm most probably just silently observing or just being low commital (irl reason most of the time).
This time, it's both.

In post 603, RachMarie wrote:IC comment:

You will find most people around here do not do personal attacks in the game, and if they do the mods get on them. I know that our mod is especially big on doing that. Attack the playstyle not the player.

I have had a number of classes in teaching English as a 2nd language, as well as being a native speaker, so if you have any questions about something, feel free to ask Vega.

Why does "dense" mean stupid and not stubhorn?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #605 (isolation #92) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:32 pm

Also marquis is breaking my heart

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #608 (isolation #93) » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:51 am

V/LA for weekend

Noted. ~~NS

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #641 (isolation #94) » Tue Mar 25, 2014 7:36 am

prod dodge

I hope this is the last prod dodging I'm doing

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #696 (isolation #95) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:50 pm

So this morning I was like "AW RIGHT IT IS TIME FOR ME TO OWN THIS GAME ZZZZZZ", started reading theoughly. In first two pages of day 2 and then I had to go lol
Anyway this is what I got from first two pages.

Vega's "wow I was about to scumread this guy" looked like newb-scum overreaction.
Based on what ive observed, newb-scum tend to "over-react" after someone dies such as "lol why did he die?", "Nooooooooo", "rip *name*" etc to try to separate themselves from the night-kill link.
I'll continue throughly reading when I have time and energy to do so.
Also hai wisdom!

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #697 (isolation #96) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:54 pm

In post 691, Freak wrote:
GuyInFreezer

leaning town. always tried to push things forward, he wasn't around for deadline on d1 and good portion of d2, so I don't feel like obvtown him, but he's probably my strongest townread.

RachMarie

nulltown. she's been null to me until fused's flip. then I started seeing her town potential, because as scum I think it'd be very difficult to insist so long on your wagon when there is one on a townie that just needs a hammer. It's not an unchangable read though (not that any on here are).

notscience

meh, null. I can get behind the idea of him being town, but with that kind of play he could very well be anything.
I also think that in the moment he aknowledges his differences in gameplay with each alignment, said difference loses meaning. but then again it's my first game, I'm mostly guessing on this kind of stuff.

Wisdom

null. sthehill/marquis barely played, and really anything i could say on them wll be on their style of playing and not on their probable alignment. Wisdom, I like how you entered the game, but it's still early to read you and you're still voting who was tunneling your slot, and mostly on meta. I'm reserving judgment with more content to come.

Vega

null. I don't have a clue. He may be using the newb card, or trolling, or really he's just like that. I don't know, and I'm avoiding putting up with it. I really should though.

Pondus

nullscum. he never tried to move the game in any useful direction. he's merely reacting at what he sees, trying to make posts out of kind of rethorical observartions.
Yes, it could be because he's new... but I'm new too and I'm not playing like that. So screw this explanation.

So, I guess

VOTE: Pondus

We know that this is gonna be a good game when I wasn't around much and still the strongest townread

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #698 (isolation #97) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:55 pm

In post 675, Wisdom wrote:I don't know of anyone who wants to die, do you?

I'm still waiting for the game where you tunneled this hard as town

But I've never seen rach this active (?) As scum before though.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #699 (isolation #98) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:56 pm

@Freak: what do you think of towncase I made on sthetil day 1?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #700 (isolation #99) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:03 pm

PAGETOP

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #701 (isolation #100) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 655, Vega wrote:Because if anything, I'm going to vote Marquis now. I gave notscience the necessary ammunition to flail for my votes against me, and he isn't acting upon it so I'm incline to believe he's Town.

This would be a methodical lynch based on the reasons Freak provided and my readlist against Marquis:

VOTE: Vote: Marquis

Vote: Marquis

This vote is opportunistic, voting right after the sub-out.

In post 656, Pondus wrote:
In post 640, Freak wrote:and you're still voting notscience when you say marquis is your #1 suspect. why?
I assume you are referring to post 585 - maybe I was not clear (but please note that English is not my primary language - in fact it is my third). When I said that he "was" my #1 suspect, I should perhaps have said "until now he has been my #1, but after the evaluation I just did notscience seems more suspicious, which is why I am voting for him."

Having said that, I still maintain that it is very difficult to get a solid read on anybody. I have played the game elsewhere, but the constant replacements here are really messing with any attempts to figure people out. Perhaps I am just used to people playing a deeper game - a simplistic read of the voting patterns would put you as my #1 suspect (see post 585), but I think you are smarter (or just more devious) than that, which is why I'm not picking you.

As for GiF - nothing much has changed, but continuing lack of (useful) activity will probably push me towards considering him scum, waiting and hoping that the townies will lynch one of their own.

At this point I could just as well vote to lynch Marquis, but given his most recent post, additional pressure there is probably not going to produce any useful reaction. I'm in no hurry to lynch anyone, and don't have any convincing data - sorry, but that's the best I can say. I had only one read I was confident in on day one - see my post 489, on page 20, but now I have less confidence in any reads.

There was only a replace-in on only one slot after you replaced in. And considering that your slot and vegas slot has barely posted, exactly what about replacements are giving you trouble?
How long do you think you'll need to sort out marq/wisdom?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #703 (isolation #101) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:16 pm

If he deathtunnels liek hell without looking back he's town

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #704 (isolation #102) » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:18 pm

Also wisdom was town in the newb game I modded.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #718 (isolation #103) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:30 am

In post 705, Wisdom wrote:Gif I assume you're scumreading Vega? Why no vote?

I didn't finish reading.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #719 (isolation #104) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:35 am

In post 707, RachMarie wrote:Wis is town reading Pondus, how do you feel about him GiF? Do you still have a strong town read on Notty?

I believe you were town reading Marquis now Wis, with Wis in the slot do you still feel the same?

Who do you think is scum?

I thought wis is scumreading pondus. Did I read something wrong?
Yes I still townread notsci.

I default townread wisdom

He haven't done anything that drops my townread on that slot.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #720 (isolation #105) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 1:36 am

In post 716, Vega wrote:
In post 696, GuyInFreezer wrote:So this morning I was like "AW RIGHT IT IS TIME FOR ME TO OWN THIS GAME ZZZZZZ", started reading theoughly. In first two pages of day 2 and then I had to go lol
Anyway this is what I got from first two pages.

Vega's "wow I was about to scumread this guy" looked like newb-scum overreaction.
Based on what ive observed, newb-scum tend to "over-react" after someone dies such as "lol why did he die?", "Nooooooooo", "rip *name*" etc to try to separate themselves from the night-kill link.
I'll continue throughly reading when I have time and energy to do so.
Also hai wisdom!
Anything that reads me as a coherent person with coherent thought is good with me. I honestly would rather get targeted on the reasons similar to what Pondus is getting targeted for. This is a big step up from the 'gibbering fool' category I'm currently trapped in.

@Wisdom I know you asked for my reads, and thanks for offering the window, but I'm currently a bit busy, will post when I have time.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #721 (isolation #106) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:18 am

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #723 (isolation #107) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:42 am

No not really
I got distracted by various stuffs.
<_<

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #724 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:42 am

I think I have like 5 pages to read.
I did skim them though.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #743 (isolation #109) » Mon Mar 31, 2014 1:55 am

I'll be here tonight. I'll answer everything by then.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #816 (isolation #110) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:20 pm

Hi I'm sorta back.
Since it's close to deadline
VOTE: Not_Mafia

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #823 (isolation #111) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:40 pm

First of all

Claim: Doctor

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #824 (isolation #112) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:40 pm

Posts tomorrow

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #825 (isolation #113) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:42 pm

N1 wisdom N2 notsci <- roleblocked

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #827 (isolation #114) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:17 pm

In post 661, Pondus wrote:You have a tiny window to convince us that you are an innocent townie - I'll hold off for now - give you a chance to read the 27 pages and respond...give us your reads or whatever you want to do.

That's me being convenient for y'all

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #828 (isolation #115) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:18 pm

Where did that quote came from

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #830 (isolation #116) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:30 pm

I used the current players for everyone's convenience.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #831 (isolation #117) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:15 am

Wisdom
Do you hear this?
It's the sound of scum being disappointed of losing their viable mislynch for today.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #833 (isolation #118) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 5:38 am

No I don't think you're scum, but the piece of paranoid is still there of "Why are you not dead yet"
That goes for Freak too.
Rest I want them to post before I continue.

GuyInFreezer · Tue Apr 08, 2014 11:38 am

I didnt know he claimed cop until the day after my hammer while I was catching up.
Otherwise, I wouldn't done it regardless of my alignment.
are you disappointed that your big mislynch target claimed early to avoid being quicklynched while asleep?

VOTE: Pondus

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #840 (isolation #120) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:03 pm

What's a town motivation of voting uncounterclaimed doctor right off the bat?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #841 (isolation #121) » Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:03 pm

With "oh you didn't wait for a counterclaim"

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #848 (isolation #122) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:18 pm

In post 842, Wisdom wrote:Yeah GIF could still be scum as we are not guaranteed to have a doc.

Something else that troubles me is that Freak is still alive. Who the hell would kill ns over Freak?

Theoretically yes.
What do you think?

Also last time I killed ns as scum we RNG'd him lol

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #850 (isolation #123) » Wed Apr 09, 2014 8:24 pm

Many thing happens throughout the life.
I literally just hammered him looking at the deadline and wagon.
I didn't read any posts

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:53 pm

If I was scum in doc-less cop setup why the hell would I lolhammer a cop claim instead of just killing him at night?
(Remember. You guys don't believe in me not reading a cop claim before hammering)

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 10:56 pm

The fact that I haven't been quickhammered means that pondus is like confirmed scum.
He started out with a vote on LyLo which is something that townie don't do, especially with some shoddy reason of "oh he didn't ask for counterclaim before"

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:01 pm

Um no
that's basically what he said.
"He hammered a claimed cop and claimed doctor and didn't ask for counterclaim before claiming"

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:05 pm

And my point still stands.
If I was scum in copless setup, I wouldve just killed him at night instead of hammering him. Except for being inactive (due to V/LA), I wasn't in much suspicion. Why would I go out all the trouble of garnering additional suspicion by hammering a claimed cop?
You know and I know that I played mafia enough to know that

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:06 pm

In post 860, Wisdom wrote:Which he then explained that he meant counterclaim for the cop. Are you even reading?

I thought that was just him giving an example of counterclaim?

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:07 pm

But no matter. I haven't been quickhammered and I haven't been counterclaimed.
Pondus is scum.

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:08 pm

Not just plain uncounterclaimed.
Uncounterclaimed with this:

In post 861, GuyInFreezer wrote:And my point still stands.
If I was scum in copless setup, I wouldve just killed him at night instead of hammering him. Except for being inactive (due to V/LA), I wasn't in much suspicion. Why would I go out all the trouble of garnering additional suspicion by hammering a claimed cop?
You know and I know that I played mafia enough to know that

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:10 pm

In post 863, GuyInFreezer wrote:But no matter. I haven't been quickhammered and I haven't been counterclaimed.
Pondus is scum.

Quicklynch*
For technical sake

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:10 pm

Also docless, not copless

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 09, 2014 11:15 pm

If I end up being mislynched for a sole reason of "lol he hammered a claimed cop", I guess I can't blame anyone else but myself. I shouldve been more careful. But do look past that barrier and see the obvious

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #898 (isolation #134) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:37 pm

Because that slot was my biggest townread?

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #900 (isolation #135) » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:18 pm

Replace
Sthetill (who I even made a towncase on him Day 1) -> Marquis (who is a lynchbait) -> Wisdom
someone who barely posted -> Vega

GuyInFreezer · Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:40 pm

In post 429, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 103, sthehill wrote:This is ridiculous. Barely a day in, and we've already got someone one vote from being lynched. Something smells scummy about all this to me. I'd vote to lynch Freak, since he started the train; it just seems like to obvious a move. Seems more likely that the second person in line would be scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer
This kind of post is what I expected from newbtown.

In post 115, sthehill wrote:
In post 111, GuyInFreezer wrote:I guess for the sake of this being the newbie game I'll speak to you directly.

In post 103, sthehill wrote:This is ridiculous. Barely a day in, and we've already got someone one vote from being lynched. Something smells scummy about all this to me. I'd vote to lynch Freak, since he started the train; it just seems like to obvious a move. Seems more likely that the second person in line would be scum.

VOTE: GuyInFreezer
Barely a day in, and already a L-1. What is exactly scummy about all that in your opinion?
Note that I want your own opinion, not the textbook opinion of "oh someone could derphammer and no info blah blah blah".
What made you think that it was Freak who started the wagon? What do you think of notsci's self-vote?
Notsci's self vote is actually rather brilliant. Whether or not you believe he is a townie, it implies that he's not terribly worried about what happens if he's lynched, which strongly implies townie (at least as far as I can tell...).

As for how the wagon formed, I was looking at it from the posts that occured between the happening and the official start of Day 1; I lost my train of thought someone, and got that (nullified due to the happening) wagon confused with the current one on Notscience.

In post 69, Freak wrote:That's the answer I was looking for!

UNVOTE: Bip
VOTE: notscience

ALRIGHT LET'S SEE WHOSE TRAIN IS BIGGER

Come on fellow noobs let's bring this SE scum down. #nottynmytown

(Don't go overboard with the votes, he too has a vote in the lost pages -- Rach's)

In post 187, sthehill wrote:
In post 181, GuyInFreezer wrote:
In post 180, sthehill wrote:This comes from his willingness to take on Rach, combined with his push to create wagons on various people early on.
Elaborate how these are scummy?
Maybe it's just me, but I see high levels of aggression as being overly pro-town, as if he was saying "Look at me, I'm busting my ass to figure out who is scum."

As far as his taking on Rach, right now I have no read on her. To me though, my impression of her is something like that of a sleeping giant. Whichever side she is on, if she gets provoked, it will be bad for the other side.
These posts are quite transparent and I don't see this coming from newbscum.

GuyInFreezer · Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:41 pm

It was like... the longest thing I posted this game

GuyInFreezer · Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:46 pm

Also because

1. No one nightkills notsci ever
2. I rolled dice between my townreads.

GuyInFreezer · Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:46 pm

Excluding notsci*

GuyInFreezer · Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:47 pm

But I did went for him n2 because of instinct.
sadly I got roleblocked.

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #919 (isolation #141) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:37 am

The answer was literally the post above that

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #922 (isolation #142) » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:17 am

When I said I rolled dice, rolling it between (strongest) townreads is kinda implied

GuyInFreezer · Post Post #954 (isolation #143) » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:48 am

I'll be back tomorrow

GuyInFreezer · Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:39 pm

Wow never in my life I would've thought freak slot was scum
That also explains why I didnt get quickhammered: scum was being too hasty trying to grab an easy win from my one dumb mistake.

Now they want to be even more hasty by counterclaiming me.

But it should be really easy to look through why xay's claim is fake.

1. He's being too careful about counterclaiming. "Did I do this right?" "Do I look like a doc?" Town doc would have no problem with those matter because their mindset would be "who cares how my claim looks like? It's not like I'm lying or anything!"
2. Where's his action?
3. "Oh I didn't know what to do with doc slot when someone else claimed my role"
lolno. Just look at the timing of his claim. He puts me to L-1, hoping that someone would agree with him and hammer me. It doesn't work. There's still suspicion on me. And then, he finally "counterclaims" and go "oh. I didnt know when to claim." That is BS. It's a freaking common sense because if he's a real doc and someone else counterclaimed him, it is obvious that he will have a hard time lynching the fake doc, especially in LyLo.
4. If he was a real doc, then why did he even suggested lynching rach first instead of confirmed scum?

The second claim is not always true you know.

GuyInFreezer · Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:40 pm

VOTE: Xay

Pondus slot can wait.
we purge this first.

GuyInFreezer · Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:43 pm

Also I see ppl wondering why would I claim so early after hammering a cop.

Put yourself in my situation.
you are town doc and you accidentally hammered a claimed cop.

Would you not want to claim at the beginning of the next day when you have a chance?

GuyInFreezer · Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:49 pm

Because of his lame hasty fakeclaim, this game is solved.
gg scum

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 16, 2014 3:35 am

VOTE: GIF

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:03 pm

:<

All the things I did to get Rach mislynched in LyLo thwarted by a replacement

GuyInFreezer · Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:07 pm

In post 1200, Wisdom wrote:nah Knell,
you
did amazing and you deserve this win. You really looked at everything. I believe anyone else would be convinced by how consistent I was in faking I don't know there is a doc.
Rach is a difficult person to 1v1 as well, because she's simple and direct unlike people who try hard and appear scummy. I practically had nothing against her.
Huge mistake on my part to not push for the Rach lynch at the beginning of the day, but I didn't anticipate Ivan leaving the game. I'm pretty sure Ivan wouldn't have lynched me.

gz Town.

Probably so.

Also I had to self-hammer there because you flat out voted me instead of "giving some thoughts" about my point against Xay, because you voting me made me a confscum when I was going for Pondus(Ivan)/Xay team :<