Newbie 1478 -- Game Over

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Yep. Haven't read up yet, just the first page and more recent posts. Sup

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Based off the fact he hammered cop and claimed doc, yeah scum

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Or you/GiF.

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Not me, nope

hey wis this is lylo right?

you replaced in yesterday?

why would scum keep you in lylo?

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Not me, nope

GiF/Wis

GiF/Rach

leaning rach.

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Q+ sucks

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Let's try stuff

VOTE: GiF

Given that Pondus has been on GiF for a while, and scum hasn't pulled their gamewinning hammer, it could mean 3 things.
GiF is scum.
Pondus is scum.
Scum lack balls.

It could be any one of these three, or the first two together, but Pondus leans town for me.

GiF leans scum, Wis/Rach I'm not sure. I townread Wis, but to be fair I always townread Wis. And I'm not getting the same vibes from Rach as compared to Offense Defense.

I'm leaning Rachscum. Only thing holding back a solid scumteam read is that Wis is still alive.

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Why so confident its GIF? He actually makes some sense and I fail to see why he would kill ns.

I'd expect doc to be more careful. Doc claim seems too convenient.

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Why my slot instead of yours?

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Just because you haven't been good doesn't mean you can't you know

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and suppose GiF is scum

notty has been calling out for GiF in thread for quite a while, and whether intentional or not GiF hasn't been answering him. They're pretty familiar with each other, and players buckle up in LyLo. notty could probably catch on/see through the fakeclaim and what not and push for his lynch

but I don't know how good notty is since I've never played a decent game with him, so I don't know how much of that is valid

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They'd have to talk Freak or Pondus into youscum though, but you can obvtown pretty easily.

Rach was only on your slot because of Marq, no? It's not your slot has slipped or anything.

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Pondus is pretty town to me though. Like I'm obviously town to myself, and he lists like, everybody in 751 as possible scumteams except me. Like, that'd require bussing and some newbscum balls.

He's been townvibey in general.

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I would be up for a Rachlynch though.

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Eh that's true.

anyway I'll be here for like 20 minutes more before going off to bed.

I think you can be town. You're always paranoidtown, so I just hope you're not screwing me over this game.

GiF/Rach

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Yeah I could.

UNVOTE:

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I'd be happier with a Rach lynch today though.

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Then Pondus has been like setting up the bus for like a while now, because he's expressed suspicion of GiF prior to this.

Not too sure though.

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Eh GiF stands out a lot on his scumteam listing. I don't think it's likely.

What makes you think of crossbussing? Or are you just considering possibilities?

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Well GiF was pretty well townread, so I guess it makes sense to hold back lynchthirst? Or maybe he had bigger suspicions elsewhere.

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Going to bed, will be back when I wake up in about 6-7 hours.

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lol so much for having something to wake up to

Rach where are ya

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N1 wisdom N2 notsci <- roleblocked

Why would you protect Wis's slot N1?

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You townread Marq? Who replaced Vega? When you've said you preferred Pondus over Vega during D1?

What about Marq was town to you? If you preferred Vega over Pondus, then you can't say the slot was your strongest townread. How about notty then, wasn't he a good townread for you? And Freak?

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Replace
Sthetill (who I even made a towncase on him Day 1) -> Marquis (who is a lynchbait) -> Wisdom
someone who barely posted -> Vega

I can't find the towncase? Lynch bait is a reason to protect the slot? Please explain why you would protect Marq over notty, who you worked pretty closely with, or Freak/BPC, who were pretty town?

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Could be both of them. I liked the first half of 902, the second half is incredibly vague.

What's your 8-9 games with Rach say about her?

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Probably why I forgot about it lol

And why this slot over notty, esp with the wagon on the slot ending D1?

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So did you protect the slot because it was your strongest townread, or because you rolled dice between your townreads?

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I don't think whether he saw it or not is relevant. He had like 15 minutes(i think, timezones are hard), that's more than enough to read the latest page and see the claim. I don't know how much of a rush he was in, but especially since he's a 'PR', he should be more careful in who he hammers.

And his N1 protection still doesn't make sense to me.

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GiF,

So did you protect the slot because it was your strongest townread, or because you rolled dice between your townreads?

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Why would you protect Wis's slot N1?

Because that slot was my biggest townread?

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2. I rolled dice between my townreads.

So if you rolled dice, sup with 898? Why not say you just rolled dice to begin with?

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I mean you're correct that if he's a doc he should know there is a cop or a tracker in play, but that's an entire different argument and not what Pondus was saying.

Ah ok I see what you're getting at. Does this make him scum though? I mean, it's scummy because it's a false argument, but he kinda brought it up on his own, even though he wasn't pressured into making a counterwagon on GiF. They could be scum together maybe? btw what do your 9 games with Rach say about her?

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When I said I rolled dice, rolling it between (strongest) townreads is kinda implied

Yes I get that you would roll dice with your strongest townreads, but the first time I asked, you protected the slot because it was your strongest townread, not because you rolled dice.

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And the rest of her play? I haven't really seen enough from Rach to be confident in my read(thought this goes for a lot of people too)

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So like, nullread for most of the game until the Marq thing?

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And before you replaced in?

I'm just wondering if you got had a townread on her anytime in the game.

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Then I'd lean Rach/GiF over Pondus/GiF. Would GiF crossbus his newbscum buddy?

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Hm

I guess if you haven't seen towntells doesn't mean she's scum then? She doesn't have much content, but that seems to be a Rach thing in general.

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I'm leaning Pondus/Rach much more. Pondus was very scummy in his last posts and the way he tried to make GIF look scummy looks more like he's going for the mislynch than bussing. And GIF actually sounds honest.

I dunno, the claim still doesn't sit well with me. The guy who hammered cop just so happens to be doc. He protected the right guy but he gets roleblocked. His N1 nightkill doesn't really make sense to me either. I didn't see Marq being nightkilled at all after the wagon on her nearing the end of D1. Feels like he just dumped your name in there for AtE.

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Well if they got you to believe the claim that'd be extremely advantageous. Could also be why scumteam kept you alive.

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If the slot is scum to you, why would Wisdom jumping in suddenly change that? Is the slot still scum now? Thoughts on doc claim too please.

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It's LyLo, not MyLo.

What's holding back a townread on him? Is Pondus newbscum for the reasons Wis has pointed out?

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We've got slightly more than a week, take your time.

Don't take too long though I don't want the game to stall

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@mod: Please prod Pondus and yourself

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Sorry about that Pondus.

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I need to reread the previous days and do some VCA stuffs

Rach is that coming anytime soon?

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Hey wis are you online?

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Hey wis are you online?

Actually ignore this

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Also, Xayzeck, what changed for you during those nine minutes? Or were you checking to see if Wisdom was scum?

Just because he didn't hammer doesn't mean he wasn't scum.

Was to rule out Wis/Me from being a thing, and to see how he'd respond

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I didn't know it was out of the question, so I did something uberobv to rule it out.

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What actually is important is that Xay didn't consider a Wisdom/Ivan team when he voted GIF.

I've got a hardasfuck scumread on GiF

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What's your read on Ivan btw?

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Why? Just because of the hammer?

Hammer was bad. He has the "I didn't see it and was rushing deadline" excuse, which I hate because I can't say is a bad reason if it was legit.

The claim was too convenient. Someone who hammers the claimed cop is almost confirm gonna get roped the next da-woops nope he's the doc oh well

The night 1 protection doesn't make sense to me as well.

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if GiF flips scum, would that affect your read on Ivan? esp with the crossbussing thing you were thinking about?

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Here too. You're not considering Pondus(Ivan)-scum at all. Sure, the blatant hammer on a cop is one of the scummiest things one can do, but it doesn't justify ignoring possibilities like that.

light townread on pondus + cross votes didn't think it could be ivan/GiF

to be fair, yeah it would've been smarter to consider GiF/Ivan too

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Wis you know how I'm not sure of reads as town

And you know how I'm super sure of GiF scum upon replacing in

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there should be question marks for those 2 lines btw

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Nope, I'm town

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Ivan are you still online?

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if GiF flips scum, would that affect your read on Ivan? esp with the crossbussing thing you were thinking about?

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Please answer this Wis

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If we lynch GiF, and he flips scum, and I die, who will you choose between Rach and Ivan?

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Because I replaced into a doc slot

I didn't think much of it when I got the role PM, until I saw GiF claim doc

I had 1 confscum already, my goal was to find the other

I didn't think Pondus was scum mainly because of gut, and as this day has progressed with Ivan, i'm pretty happy about it

The problem was you. you didn't die in lylo, so I got mad paranoid, and decided to hold back the claim until I was happy with a townread on you. my vote on GiF was to see your reaction, and with everything that has happened until now, i'm comfortable with claiming.

i've was worried if i claimed from the start it would hinder discussion. but given scumteam know there's a doc, i'm pretty damn sure they know it's me by now. Rach is probably the last scum. Do think about it, i'm sure you can hammer right in lylo. and i certainly hope you're not fucking with me this game by putting up an amazing scumplay

VOTE: GiF

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If we lynch GiF, and he flips scum, and I die, who will you choose between Rach and Ivan?

If that happened, probably Rach. But I doubt you're dying.

They could probably kill you over me, but that would risk going into D4 with 3 town 1 scum

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it may be scummy as fuck to cc the doc now once you've revoked the townread on me, but i was hoping you would catch on that townme couldn't be so damn sure of GiF scum unless there was something outside of reading him that would do so

and I was hoping you would pick up the possibility i was doc without having to out it so GiF/Rach would know for sure

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True, but if they do that let's consider the possibilities

They kill you, and I can talk things out with Wis and Rach more to to decide the hammer. I read Wis town, so it'd just be up to how Rach does a Wis case. I don't think it'd be that strong to revoke my Wis townread

If they kill Wis, I highly doubt Pondus/You would have crossbussed, and we would gang up on Rach

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Of course, GiF could be the roleblocker, and that'd mean I'm dead tonight for sure.

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If GiF did flip normal good though, then I may be roleblocked and you may be killed

Given Wis is doubting his townread on me, Rach could potentially turn it into there's no doc in this setup, and i'm counterfakeclaiming/bussing GiF to try and turn it into GiF/Rach and win the game

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I'm questioning how I should have played this day given I replaced into doc

Did I do okay

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That makes sense now, yes.

So GIF claimed on purpose to draw the counterclaim. And that also explains the kill on ns.

how would that explain the kill?

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hold on

UNVOTE:

there's a little voice at the back of my head still thinking of GiF/Wis

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Anyway Rach hasn't done her VCA and stuff yet

My claim will probably affect how she does that, so it's not going to be good for reading her

Though I'm sure they'd know I was doc even if I didn't claim

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I'm good to go once I shower and rethink my read on you a bit

Any reason you didnt think of meDoc?

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to me though, i'm fixed on gif/rach

meaning you, ivan and i are town

and ivan isn't as strong a player, you are though

so i got really troubled when you stopped townreading me for a bit there

anyway, pondus/ivan hasn't been pushing GiF hard, Rach hasn't been pushing GiF hard, you haven't been pushing GiF hard

I have though, with probably the weakest case ever, i'm sure they'd know pretty damn well i was doc

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But it was probably for the better you didn't cc, especially since you weren't under much suspicion.

this would involve doing a proper case for GiF

i can't do good cases

GiF has played a pretty good game

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the only way I can forsee this game ending in a scumwin is if Wis were scum

and if you are wis i've been outfuckingplayed

but i'm more confident in townWis than scumWis so

VOTE: GiF

you can hammer whenever Wis, i don't think Rach's thoughts will help our situation at all

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ok

UNVOTE:

so that GiF doesn't selfhammer

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I don't get it, notty was town?

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oh gods wrong game so sorry folks will redo this VCA later

at Mod could you remove my VCA post?

isn't this the right game, just the notty isn't scum?

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such selfhammer

much scum

i like rachscum too

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Have fun in lylo Wis

Please don't be scum

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In case they kill me and keep you, consider Ivan a little more. He looks town but you never know, Pondus was kinda scummy at times.

i'll reread if GiF doesn't flip roleblocker

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Fuck u wis

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I dont know how I forgot about "if wis is in lylo he's scum"

Really though good job, gg all :b

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Great job Knell

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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That's really cool.

need to remember that phrase