Newbie 1517: Crossroads Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote: RachMarie

get your ass in here!

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Do you feel that scum are more phased by a FOS or a vote?

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Because, I mean, if you feel FOS is more powerful than a vote, then, although you're wrong, I can see where you're coming from.

If you feel that a vote is better than a FOS then the obvious question is: why exactly are you veto'ing your vote and using a weak FOS instead?

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I don't vote during RVS. I like to spend time talking and reading. We've got 2 weeks, and I intend to use it.

Talking and reading about what?

Our RVS votes?

The whole point of RVS is for us to actually -get out- of RVS. To do this, we provoke reactions. The #1 way to do that is to vote someone.

I've seen that you weren't votehappy in your last town game either, but your vote is a weapon. You should use it.

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I think Doogal's town because there's no reason for him to stick his neck out about this as town and it's a common trait of new players to dislike voting.

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By the way, I'm meant to make a huge, long post about being the IC, what an honour it is, blah blah, if you have any questions ask me them, blah blah, but it's long and there's a link in the OP to my duties anyway.

Just to make that clear.

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Only if we lynch scum.

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Then we'll have the greatest night ever, until the morning, where odds are someone's been shot.

Still, a great night.

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RVS is the way that we start a game off in Mafia. Everyone votes someone else for (usually) fairly nonsensical reasons. These votes, and people's responses to them, provoke reactions. Depending on how these reactions look, people label them town or scum, and then we can actually get into the game.

The problem is if you don't do it everyone just does nothing, which greatly benefits scum, so it's the commonly accepted practice of starting the game.

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I didn't give them anything, Officer, I swear!

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(except it's me)

Rach can also answer questions, though.

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You totes should get one of your own though dude

I know but it takes so much time!

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You guys should really get some avatars. It helps to identify you, and it makes you look great too!

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Alesteors didn't have one.

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It's not just the Mafia, unfortunately - I've seen many early hammers come from unaware town players.

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I don't mind being at L-2, but I'm uncomfortable with being at L-1 without a reason - so if anyone puts me there, you better have a good reason.

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So, if someone quickhammered me, what alignment do you think they'd be?

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I also don't like how easy TSO townreads Doogal for something he knows Doogal does every game.

I'm not townreading Doogal for not votng; I'm townreading him for continuing to do it after people told him not to.

I've seen exactly one game of Doogal's, where he was Town ...so why should I assume Doogal does this as scum?

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Victor seems to have chronic paranoia this game.

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It kinda sucks that Shadow, Alest and Lucy aren't really around, but we can still start to figure each other out.

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For what it's worth, Doogal and I have no previous history.

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Victor seems to have chronic paranoia this game.

You base that on just one post with content from him?

I've also seen him in other games.

There's multiple examples of needless worry in that post, not just one. I don't know why Vic's being so paranoid of me.

It also doesn't sit right with me that Victor is pushing me for townreading Doogal, yet in his next point, has issues with a wagon on me.

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Not particularly. Activity is rubbish, and my attempts to understand people aren't really working.

I think Doogal's town, I didn't like Victor's post. I don't think anyone actually has different reads at this juncture.

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Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.

Victor doesn't really.

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Anyway, Lucy's back!

Unvote
Vote: Lucy

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I also don't like how easy TSO townreads Doogal for something he knows Doogal does every game.

I'm not townreading Doogal for not votng; I'm townreading him for continuing to do it after people told him not to.
I've seen exactly one game of Doogal's, where he was Town ...so why should I assume Doogal does this as scum?

You assume that doing it makes him town so you're assuming he doesn't do it as scum. If Doogal not voting for a week was something he only did as town then that would make him the easiest catch scum ever. I doubt he's that obvious.

Either you're not reading what I'm saying or you're directly misrepresenting it. I didn't say Doogal was Town for not voting. I said that he didn't give into pressure in the form of more experienced players telling him not to do it. That's a really strong newbtown tell. This regularly happens, just with different scenarios each time. Usually they've came from other sites where that's the common thing to do.

If Doogal was scum, odds are he'd have became flustered at us telling him not to do it, felt it was bringing unneeded pressure on him, and voted someone. He didn't.

I like Clusk's vote in 71.

I fail to understand why you like people voting you. The only reason you could say this is because you're buddying Clusk.

Bill on the other hand is probably scum. He held off voting in 67 despite saying the post was suspicious, then right after Shadowez highlights what he didn't like about my post Bill eagerly rewrites it in 73 and only gets around to voting in 77.

To summarise this: Bill did not vote you straight away and agrees with people calling you scum, therefore Bill is scum.

That's a terrible argument which looks like you just want to survive at all costs.

Rach usually lurks to a degree, you'll have to accept it, my boy.
Victor doesn't really.

Your metaread on me is based on what exactly?

Open 555.

And that vote in 82 was terrible. Heck your more deserving of my vote than Bill.

VOTE: TSO

How was my vote terrible again? You're very good at calling things bad, but you're pretty bad at explaining why.

If the scumteam ends up being TSO/Bill I will disappointed by how easy this game is.

What exactly makes you think it's a TSO/Bill scumteam again? Our suspicion of you?

Because that's a fairly universal read at this point; your play is really reactionary and you're hellbent on calling me scum - I don't think anyone's actually townreading you at this stage.

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T S O, can you please explain what you mean by Lucy's back? I don't see her yet... Where do you see her?

Her V/LA expired a day or two ago - therefore she should be posting here.

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Indeed... an interesting game, to say the least.

You should be careful about talking about ongoing games, Doogal. I doubt the mods will punish you because you didn't say much, but they're notoriously strict about not talking about them. I talked about a game in another game once and that game was terminated immediately. No, really.

There's no real read to look through 555, unless you're interested in Victor's scumplay, other than to note he -was- active there.

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V/LA indefinitely.

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I wasn't giving out about you, Rach? I'm not even voting you. I said you're somewhat of a lurker, which is true. It's not of your own volition, yes, but I never accused you of being lazy or deliberately lurking.

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Because I think I said pretty clearly why I think you two are scum.

I'm pretty clear on why you think I am in the mafia (although I know you are barking up the wrong tree there), but it is equally unclear to me why you are putting T S O in the same category.

T S O votes for a player with the total of 1 post, who should be back from V/LA, and there isn't even a remote lynch danger from that vote.

Can you spell your reasons out for me?

You see the bolded. That's a pretty scummy thing to do.

no, it's not.

What exactly motivates me to do that as scum? How does it advance my win condition? It doesn't.

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V/LA indefinitely - I don't know how long it's for.

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...I'm trying to get people to play, maybe?

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Hello, Glass!

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Vote: Victor DeAngelo

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Victor's at L-1.

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Because he's pretty damn scummy and I've given him enough chances to prove himself.

L-1 isn't an inherently bad thing; no-one here is stupid enough to quickhammer and it ramps up the pressure on Victor.

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Bill, there's no need to use coloured text. Also, it burns my eyes.

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Although Victor's at L-1, there's no real urgency about him or his wagon. I don't know what I need to do to create that.

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Duh, forgot, I didn't like TSO putting Victor at L-1

Why?

Do you think I should have just skated around the issue?

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Why are you so okay with being hammered?

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I just don't get it, Victor. You came in, you immediately began to dislike me giving out townreads. Then you disliked my pressure and started calling me scum. And now, after making walls detailing why you think I'm scum, you throw out a tired "Hammer me if you like guys!" and piss off?/

What the fuck, Victor?

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Would scum Victor really be this nonchalant about being lynched?

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The more experienced guys know this, but usually a wagon on town moves fast with no resistance, and a wagon on scum is hard to get people on and you have to fight for it.

I don't think anyone in the entire damn game has said one thing about Victor being town. There's nobody attempting to defuse a wagon on their scumbuddy. There's just acceptance.

I also don't think Victor's capable of baiting us as scum by not only telling us to hammer, but nonchalantly posting V/LA in the same post.

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Unvote

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Thank you, NM, I was proud of that one.

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Well played, guys, I'm really sorry I had to replace out.