In post 333, hephaestus wrote:
This is what I don't get. I kind of see how it can technically be true, but if you don't go by that assumption then how are you supposed to identify scum at all?
OK. If you're Scum, you want to pretend to be Town. How better to be Town that to be pro-Town? But there are plenty of ways to be pro-Town that aren't particularly anti-Scum (like prodding for activity, asking lots of questions, and so forth).
The best way to identify Scum is to look at the reasons people say the things they say and do the things they do? Why did A say B? Why did X hammer Y?
I don't equate activity with effort, btw. In fact, I don't post that often myself both because I don't have loads of free time and because I like to observe and only post when I feel I really have something to say. D1 when this issue came up I felt slimer was making a lot of filler posts and not making an effort to catch scum, which I expect town to do.
OK.
If you're not going to play to win you shouldn't join because it ruins the premise of the game, imo.
Well, we all play to win (it's a big part of the game and it's even in the rules), but some people are more interested in winning than others. It's a main goal thing.
My main goal, in this game, is first and foremost to make the game and the site understandable and sharpen all the newbie knives, if that makes sense.
Next is that I want to enjoy myself, which usually comes with the territory.
If I happen to win as well, that's great, and I am trying to do so - but it's not going to bum me out that badly if I don't.
I've drawn lines before as to how much effort I'm willing to put into a game based on how fun-sucking things would be.
In post 334, frog wrote: In post 325, goodmorning wrote:"magic townread" was about a number of things, mainly:
-scumhunting
-timing
-questioning
Is all well and good, but not (m)any of these things were actually brought up on day 1. Likewise, neither was the meta you promised on day 1, nor any semblance of a counter-case on day 2. Having answers after the event is not very helpful.
In post 49, goodmorning wrote:quote="In
post 48, hephaestus"]I wonder why we aren't hearing from two of our SEs? I know we don't have a lot to go on yet but the discussion has to start somewhere. Maybe they're waiting to see what us newbs can come up with by ourselves, but maybe they're just watching us fling dirt at each other as they sit back and polish their guns..
This is really good analysis actually. I love the level of scumhunting you're at with this post.[/quote]
That's scumhunting.
Timing is not a thing one generally discusses as it's happening.
Questioning could have been brought up, but was it necessary? People were townreading him as was.
As to Rach: I said what I felt was different from Town and similar to Scum (tone, "prickly") and pointed out which game I was using for comparison (LotR).
As to the counter-case: how many times do I have to say that my read was not good enough to go stopping lynches for? I'm not Thor, sorry.
With regards to effort and alignment, how I read goodmorning's signature quotation was that both scum and town want to win, and both will therefore put in effort. Since scum wants to look like town, effort can't be indicative of alignment. Where it
can
be indicative of alignment, however, is where a little more effort could seal the deal for town in a clutch moment, but a player fails to deliver.
All that said, I like the first part of this.
I don't like the last part: Scum would be more likely to notice a "clutch moment," as you say. And even if there were such a hypothetical moment where anyone not efforting would be obvScum, how would Town be able to identify such a moment? And how would they be able to tell the difference between not efforting and just not being around?
In post 335, Psychotropia wrote:
On its own, it’s null, but I find it interesting how this fits into the pattern of Hephaestus being accused of suspicious behavior and then shifting the focus to Slimer. In fact, he’s talked about Slimer a lot in general throughout the game, and it makes me wonder why.
There’s actually a pretty good town explanation here. If Hephaestus is a townie, I assume the focus is because he’s been having a mounting read on them as scum. This explains why he’s been wanting the kitty cat (that is your new pronoun Slimer, cherish it) to address the wagons so much.
Or, as Scum, same explanation but he wants a mislynch.
Either way, this is a good answer where I wasn't necessarily expecting one.
To answer your second question, Goodmorning (and this will veer a little off the topic of this game so I put it in a spoiler):
Thanks for answering that.
