Newbie 1523 - GAME OVER

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Yay bandwagons are the best.

vote:lynch me bro

Oh ****, that's myself

Unvote, vote:rachmarie

cuz OMGUS

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Hello Everyone. I am your friendly neighborhood IC. What that means is in addition to my game role which is randomly generated, I am here to help you with game mechanics and other questions of how to play the game. Feel free to ask me questions. You can get a good idea of the role of IC from here Being a good IC. Some things I may have to give a partial answer for because of the game being ongoing. If that happens, I will let you know why, and let you know that I will explain more fully after the game is over.

The link says it's never ok to lie as a IC. Well, are you scum or town?

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Unvote, vote: growler

because I don't like the way he growls.

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Actually I feel like growler is the common newb not reading stuff and doing random things.

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It's not scummy if you voted someone for a good reason.

Scummy Example:

Vote:someone1

Lynch this guy because I feel like it!

Good Example:

Vote:someone2

because he claimed scum

Unvote

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What the hell is Hyphero doing. It's pretty obvious that he's a newb scum. (None contribution, and still no defense)

Lol, "stormy waters" on his mind.

Vote: Hyphero

Ez Lynch, Ez Life

I believe this is L-3.

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Yes you do. Don't worry about the L-2 vote, we won't lynch you if you tell us your partners.

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@mod

Ok, got it.

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Unvote

Dude, don't put a him at L-1 before he post a defense. I want to hear his defense first. Scum could easily quick hammer.

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Unvote

Dude, don't put a him at L-1 before he post a defense. I want to hear his defense first. Scum could easily quick hammer.

Are you really going to kill me off on Day 1 in my first game?!

Unbelievable.

VOTE: LMB

Life's hard, I know. I just bought you more time to post your defense. If you don't post something that contributes, you'll probably be lynched.

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Sorry guys, went out today. Have my own life ya know

Anyways, I reread the thread and still find Hyphero with no defense.

You've been taking advantage of a situation and out of nowhere you appear with an L1, and you don't go into depth. You lurk half of the game, and as soon as xay says you're lurking too much you react and begin to post.scum is reactive. Town is proactive. You seem the most scummiest out of the pool of players.

You have a point.

That shady lurking behavior does appear to be scummy.

VOTE: FSO

Bandwagonning right away, like growler said. Trying to shake off the suspicion. Dude, that's not gonna work xD.

Reads so far:

Growler - Leaning town
Xayzeck - Leaning town
Hyphero - Newb scum

Rest - Neutral

I'm ready to lynch Hyphero, how bout you guys? His posts on lower half of page 7 is total gamethrowing.

HYPHERO IF YOU FEEL LIKE SEEING DAY 2, I SUGGEST YOU POST A DEFENSE NOW.

EBWON: He's either lazy, a dumbbutt, or trolling his mafia partners xD.

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@OkaPoka

FSO has been lurking for the first half of the game, but lurking isn't necessarily scummy in my opinion. Putting hyphero at L-1 could mean that FSO was trying to get a quick-lynch. He's

slightly

leaning scum. Not much content except wagonning on hyphero.

Also hyphero's reaction seems like a newbie town to me.

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I don't have a huge suspicion of anyone here yet, but as pointed out by other players: These two are the most scummy {hyphero, FSO}. Growler, what did you mean by "something not right" in my posts? I haven't noticed that xD

Well, if you'd like to know more about my reads, I already stated them in post 183 and this one.

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EBWOP:

Town-reading OkaPoka right now (no scum slips), or maybe it's because he's just really good at this xD

EBWON: You make random votes, and bandwagon a lot, and tried to shake off suspicion by wagonning on FSO. And read your posts and then read other players posts. I believe you'll find out why

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@Oka, on another forum, we have EBWON which is edited by the way of ninja'd (basically someone posted before you did) EBWOP is edited by the way of posts. Since you can't edit in a mafia game, you basically make a short one-liner to add on to your previous post.

Sorry, I'm used to the other mafia forum xD

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Dunno what that means, but I guess so

Anyways we should wait for Rach to post her opinions before going further.

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Alright, rereading the thread, Oka did some scum fails.

Lololololol.

Why you wanna lynch me?

That was the fastest 180 you guys ever did on me, while I was sleeping. I did not post a single thing and you guys go from thinking I am towniest town, to scummiest scum.

Anyways moving on, Hyphero my case on you is gonna be large. Just need to see your defense.

Why did you begin so cautious and careful about this game with a Vote: No lynch? I know that is newb scum as I encountered that, and in my first scum game I would ask questions and ask "should I vote?" and Xay INSTANTLY thought I was scum.

Now I have given Xay the chance to do so, and he has not taken the chance. WHY HAVEN'T YOU ATTACKED HYPHERO YET? So many redflags, he is FSO but worse. He flips around and panics when being attacked and acts extremely careful. He is seeming to panic to death.

Also L-1 Hyphero.

VOTE: Hyphero

Xay, you have played with me, and almost every game I have played with you, you were in it.

You know my town and scum game Xay. And you still haven't picked up that those two games are extremely different.

Town: Bold, aggressive, wild, driving lynches

Scum: Cautious, sheepy, very un contributive, lots of questions.

It's pretty obvious that you are either:

A: being unable to pick up clues
B: forcing to ignore me, in order to push a dangerous town player to a lynch

Which won't happen because I am 99% sure that it is either you AND Hype.

Lets see some facts:

First of all you keep saying
"Lets lynch Hyphero tomorrow" That gives scum time to manipulate all of town and give each other advice.
You then point out, Hyphero is scummy, totally scummy, look at these scummy things he did. And you did NOTHING.
Hyphero continues to try and not interact with you, and you force interactions with him. Scummy, on both ends.
Hyphero continues to think you are town. With no second thought,

All in all Xay and Hypehero are SCUM

He pushes a lynch against first time players like Hyphero and FSO, then he defends himself with WIFOM. For those of you who don't know what that means, this is WIFOM:

You know my town and scum game Xay. And you still haven't picked up that those two games are extremely different.

He is suggesting that he played like he did in his town games, while he could be fooling us and is actually a scum playing like his town style. WIFOM = Wine In Front Of Me.

And then he thinks Xay is scum because he disagrees with him. And don't forget he mistook hyphero for growler.

Anyways, my updated reads:

CLEARED TOWN:

Me - Since I read my role pm xD.

Leaning town:

Hyphero - My read turned from a newb scum to a newb town later on in the game, since his reaction seemed pretty townish
Xayzeck - Hasn't made any slips so far, actively making good contributions to town.
Growler - Lots of content and made a townish defense when he was pressured.
David007 - Actively contributing and no scum slips.

Neutral:

RachMarie - No content except a IC intro. Laaame.
FSO - Even though made scummy slips, he looks like a newb to me. It would be unlikely for Oka and him to both be scum, since Oka wants to lynch him.

Leaning Scum:

Sorcerer - The most likely to be Oka's partner, lurking, wagonning, pushing for quick lynch and putting hyphero at L-1.
Oka - Read the above

Guys I suggest we lynch Oka today and see his flip. Town, hyphero meets his doom. Scum, Sorcerer loses his evil powers.

So,

Vote: Oka

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Wow I missed a lot.

I do believe that it was odd for Oka to want to change his vote based on one (misread) post. I would like to know why he changed his opinion based on a post so early in the game? I mean there has been a lot of discussion since then and growler has explained that post several times.

I do like how hyp is being more proactive in the game though his reasonings seem very wishy washy still to me. I don't like your switch in votes from saying oka is super town to saying he is super scum, I am still seeing how you panic and switch your vote constantly.

Xay: Where did your read on David being scum come from? I'm curious because I don't see it and I wanna know what evidence/tells you're basing it off of.

my thoughts are maybe a hyp/oka scum team?

hyp was so quick to defend him and assure us that he was town and when votes started coming in for oka I think hyp panicked, scared that oka would flip scum and that he would be the next he said something along like he 'read between the line' (which is a broad statement that hyp always resorts to with any of his reasonings) and jumped on the wagon for oka to avoid suspicion.

With oka taking the day off I don't wanna build up the wagon on him until he is here to defend himself so my vote remains with hyp.

You realize that Oka wanted hyp to die. Oka/hyp team is almost 0 possibility

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Unvote

Whoops I put him at L-1 xD

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Dammit, I suck butt at reading breadcrumbs. But by the looks of it, Oka is claiming VT. "threat to scum" and "has no powers" makes it too obvious

Also hyphero, there's no way that he's claiming scum. What kind of retarded SE would claim scum day 1?

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Nvm, figured it out.

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Oka, next time make a better crumb then that, elementary kids can see this one.

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Guys, we should have the PRs claim. I know this sounds crazy for D1, but it will help us find out if Oka is lying.

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Oka looks incredibly scummy right now, but I think I read between the lines, so I won't vote for him.

Guys, we should have the PRs claim. I know this sounds crazy for D1, but it will help us find out if Oka is lying.

This will only give scum targets. If Oka survives past Day 1, then this may be necessary.

Rach, please produce content soon and help me decide the lynch

I don't want to have to lynch the IC D1

RachMarie is V/LA until further notice, as declared by PM.

Just a quick note to everyone about how V/LAs work on the site:

Your moderators will not always be aware of or check your posts to see if you have the V/LA ribbon enabled. Enabling the V/LA ribbon is a GREAT way to help out the rest of the players in the game and let them know when you're away and can't respond to any questions/concerns, but it should not be treated as a replacement for announcing in-thread that you'll be V/LA.

Thanks!

For you, Xay.

On the topic of lynching lurkers, what is everyone's opinion on? Personally I don't like it as it feels like a waste of a useful lynch.

Dude, the only "useful" PR is dead anyways, I'd be more then suprised if Oka survives the night. Mafia must have ten thousand pounds of brain damage. I suggest the PRs to claim.

Case 1: Oka is lying

-We lose a PR over the night in exchange for a mafia (Oka) lynch. (Good)

Case 2: Oka is telling the truth

-Byebye Oka, but we have some clear towns. Making scumhunting easier.

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Yea.. and the troubled waters on my mind give me great doubt..

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@mod, I'll be inactive for 3 days, please don't replace me xD

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No computer access, going on vocation.

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LMB have you found my code yet?

Yes... that was a little too obvious.

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Hi guys, I'm back from

cold hell

Seattle.

Oka, I have a very good reason why PRs should claim. I believe I wrote a whole post about it, but I'll just post it again.
Btw, more than half of the players saw your "code" so you're screwed tonight anyways.

Case 1: Oka is telling the truth

The only other PR is not that important, but at least we'll have some clears. It improves our chances of finding scum. 2 out of 7 players is better than 2 out of 9 players.

Case 2: Oka is lying

WELL WE LYNCH OKA TODAY, DUUH. Xay will rage. To me, Oka is 50/50 right now so it worth it to have the PRs claim. Unless you guys highly trust Oka's claim, having the PRs claim will be beneficial to town.

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Wow Oka you are the dumbest SE I've ever seen. On the other hand, the stupidest scum I've ever seen.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Matrix6

There can't be a doctor and a tracker at the same time.

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Vote: Oka

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Wait nvm I'm dumby. But yeah bp should claim to confirm.

Unvote

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LMB.

Look with your eyes. Not a butt.

Look at C.

The power of the sea.

sigh

you idiot

pedit: sigh

Lol whatever dude, its not like you didn't slip earlier.

I forgot there could be 2 different setups with tracker. Anyways, if anybody's role does not match with either of the tracker setups, they should claim.

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If Oka turns out to be telling the truth, I suggest we lynch one of {FSO, Sorcerer}

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Lol Oka, why are you tunneling me.

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Oka that's not a legit reason. You have to give evidence of my scumtells. So far that I've heard, it's role fishing and trying to lynch a PR.

For role fishing, I already explained why people should claim. I'm 50/50 on you right now.

About "trying to lynch a PR", I totally forgot the setup xDDDD. I already explained my mistake, I thought there could only be one setup with tracker, which is Tracker + BP + 5 townies + 2 scum. I forgot about the one with Tracker + Doctor + 5 townies + 2 scum.

I have a feeling you want to lynch me because I wanted to lynch you earlier. (Before you claimed) Don't tunnel people by OMGUS man.

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Look at Sorcerer's posts. Ask yourself "Do they contribute to town?" DEFINITELY NOT

His posts are just personal opinions and dumb questions. He's not even putting his opinions to use, not voting and being wishy-washy about his opinions.

I suggest you go back and read his posts. He does lurk a lot, but when he posts, his posts are useless.

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I was going to do a big analysis first. Here's the first half of it.

VOTE: Sorcerer Madness

Are you going to use your magic powers?

If I could, I would.

Also OMGUS VOTE: David007

OMGUS is generally a bad reason to vote, but who cares when it's RVS xD.

Just going to UNVOTE: David007 here.

On the topic of growler, while I agree with the others that him voting is just him being a newbie, I want to know why he turned up and, instead of trying to defend himself, he just tried to shift suspicion to Luca blight.

So, growler can answer why you turned up and tried to shift suspicion onto someone else instead of defending yourself?

Questioning growler, voting him would get better responses than just questioning him. This post is basically "While I agree he is newb town, he could be scum too! Why are you like this???"

What do you think of the wagon on growler?

I personally would be okay with it, but not on Day 1.

Why would you be okay with a wagon on a growler? I know you said not day 1, but what are your reasons to justify a wagon on growler if this was a different day?

Asking questions... doing nothing... like a scum.

You instantly voted with me making me look like mafia, but that's not the only reason I'm voting you, you've jumped on several wagons, your posts have been vague, and you haven't made any opinion (as far as I can see) of your own agreeing with everyone else.
Those are all mafia tells I believe.

I personally believe that Xayzeck is most likely mafia.

His behavior is pretty much anti-town.

Why are his actions anti-town? His asking questions and is getting things rolling, which leads me to believe he is town. You need to justify why you think he is anti-town. And if I don't think your reasons are good enough, I'll be voting you for the reasons that growler has said in the quote above.

Asking more questions... lol deja vu. VOTE SOMEONE ALREADY.

Sorcerers Madness you said you will vote for him but didn't is that just caution or a mistake?

You need to reread my post.

Why are his actions anti-town? His asking questions and is getting things rolling, which leads me to believe he is town.

You need to justify why you think he is anti-town. And if I don't think your reasons are good enough, I'll be voting you for the reasons that growler has said in the quote above.

K, still not doing stuff.

You instantly voted with me making me look like mafia, but that's not the only reason I'm voting you, you've jumped on several wagons, your posts have been vague, and you haven't made any opinion (as far as I can see) of your own agreeing with everyone else.
Those are all mafia tells I believe.

I personally believe that Xayzeck is most likely mafia.

His behavior is pretty much anti-town.

Why are his actions anti-town? His asking questions and is getting things rolling, which leads me to believe he is town. You need to justify why you think he is anti-town. And if I don't think your reasons are good enough, I'll be voting you for the reasons that growler has said in the quote above.

Post 67 should be why.

He's obviously harassing the town.

How is he harassing town?

I do not trust the stormy waters in his mind.

He might be on to us.

I hold high suspicions for him, I feel he may be sidestepping us.

This isn't good enough for a vote, you need actual reasons other then "I think he is suspicious".

L-1 WARNING

VOTE: Hyphero

L-1 WARNING

You have been acting scummy for a lot of your posts and you made a vote on a player for no reason other then you think he is scum and you won't tell us why.

Dude, don't put him at L-1, I find this post pretty scummy. Jumping on the wagon and putting someone at L-1.
Finally you did something, and it was putting someone at L-1

Thanks

I've got my scumreads a little like {growler, FSO, Sorc} right now.

Rach hasn't posted enough, LMB could be town, but again he needs more content.

Everybody else is town of varying degrees.

So yeah.

Could you elaborate your reasons as to why you think these three are scum (mainly me, so I can defend myself)

Wow I missed a lot. Just reading through I would say hyp is throwing accusations yet not giving any reasoning after being asked several times.

VOTE: hyphero

Do you have any other reasons for voting hyphero or is it just the one?

OkaPoka: Is there anyone else you think is scum and why?

More questioning of other people's opinions.

Nah, even if you are town, which I doubt, we could still potentially win. Maybe. A mis-lynch on day one isn't a game thrower is it?

It isn't a game-thrower but it can put town at a disadvantage if there isn't a doctor that successful protects the mafia's kill, if that makes sense.

Putting personal opinions but still no scumhunting...

I wanna give hyphero the benefit of the doubt, but I really find his attitude this game to be suspicious, so my vote will remain on him for now.

Also, Xayzeck, I directed a question at you that I haven't received a response from, though it may just be that I missed it, so I'm going to quote it here and would like you to answer it.

I've got my scumreads a little like {growler, FSO, Sorc}

Could you elaborate your reasons as to why you think these three are scum (mainly me, so I can defend myself)

Being wishy-washy and doing nothing.

Socerer whats your read on FSO?

He is acting slightly scummy, with the lurking and the bandwagoning, but that could just be him being a newbie. He says that he read all the posts and had made a vote based of his thought, and yet wasn't aware that his vote was going to put hyphero at L-1, which is odd.

I wanna see more content from FSO, and I wanna see his reads, before making a final decision on the matter.

As for my vote, I still read hyphero to be scum, but I'm going to

UNVOTE: hyphero

for now.

"He is a little scummy, but he could be just a newbie. He posts weirdly. I need more content and I'm too lazy to do an analysis"

If you think hyphero is scum, why did you unvote man? Anyways, that's the first half of my analysis. So far, he's pretty scummy to me. No contribution at all

Vote: Sorcerer

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He shows that he has the time to post, but he's not even bothering to scum hunt. Not posting his own reads, just sheeping other peoples opinions and jumping on the bandwagon. This guy is just sitting on his couch, munching on lays bbq chips, and posting useless content.

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Here's my reads so far.

Town

Me - Cuz I know I'm town xD
Xayzeck - Actively contributing, no scum slips, if he is scum, then he's like the best scum ever. Gotta read his scum meta sometimes.
Nero - Mainly because growler was townish. Growler contributed alot and defended himself well.
Hyphero - Newb town. Not very helpful though You should give more content.
David - Neutral on him currently, but he contributes. Someone should analyze his posts.
Oka - 50/50, but he's confident that no one will counterclaim him, so probably town. Dead if doctor doesn't protect.
Cabd - Need more content, but gut says town
FSO - Leaning Scum, mainly because oka is acting townish right now.
Sorcerer - Posted analysis already, 0% contribution, 100% scum.

Scum

Pedit: Hyphero, you realize if someone claims cop or jail keeper, then we have a good chance of finding scum. (Either the person who claimed or Oka is scum)

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Time to do my standard 180 on Hyphero.

Just kidding.

Either

LMB or Sorcerer lynch would be superb today.

Agreed.

LMB is trying to get the PR's to claim (no thanks to you, Cabd!) and doesn't seem to be doing it in a good way.

I don't have too much on Sorc, but he seems to be helpful yet dodgy and the rationales aren't too good.

Again, I forgot the setup xD

But Cabd agreed that Cop/Jailkeeper should claim.

Pedit: Oka, why do you think Xay is scum?

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I'm conf town mate. Change your reading.

Xay scum is getting quicklynched day 1 because his buddy loves to wagon him.

I didn't get your second line. I'm assuming you meant that Xay is scum because his partner wagons him? Dude, you gotta do some grammar.

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Ah, I see. Going to read his games

Pedit: @Hyphero ...Oka claimed tracker... Geez dude, go read like the last 10 pages.

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After reading some games, scum generally ask alot of dumb questions and barely scumhunt. Usually over defensive.

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Come on guys. Stop sleeping, we need to figure out who to lynch. (Dude Cabd, since you're the IC, helping us decide the lynch would be awesome right now)

As I said before, Sorc is pretty darn scummy to me. In response to 490: The problem is you're not even trying to scumhunt, dude your just following other player like a dog and not doing stuff . If you think someone is scummy, you can do an analysis and point out the scumtells.

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(Dude Cabd, since you're the IC, helping us decide the lynch would be awesome right now)

...? You seem to be confusing the IC role with a leadership role. If you're wanting me to "help decide a lynch" you'd best be townreading the fuck out of me, so yeah, what nero said.

By "helping me decide a lynch", I meant for you to post your opinions on the possible lynches like Sorcerer. You don't have to be town to give your opinion

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Slightly changing my opinion about hyphero. Either he's the newbiest of all newbs, or scum. I mean, whose dumb enough to want to lynch a (almost) confirmed tracker?

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@Oka The only reason why I was fishing is because I forgot the setup dude

I already explained that many pages ago.

@Xayzeck, he might be doc..

@Oka, Really?...

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Hi, can someone tell me what white knighting and chainsawing means? I'm neutral on Cabd currently, can't make up my mind today, will decide tomorrow.

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Alright, after reading Cabd's posts. I saw that they aren't very helpful to town, I suspect a {Nero + Cabd} or {Sorc + FSO}. Cabd isn't even trying to scumhunt even though the deadline is in 2 days. I don't think this is normal town IC behavior (The other one that I've played with was Nachomama8, and he was pretty aggressive at scumhunting)

Unvote, Vote:Cabd

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@Oka, can you show me where did Cabd say that Xay is scum?

Hyphero can claim if he wants to, but it's not necessary.

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Ok, since the Cabd/Xay lynch is unlikely to be decided before the fast-approaching deadline, how about we lynch Sorc for today? Almost everyone agrees that he has done nothing for town.

Unvote, vote:Sorc

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Note: I'm not trying to rush things, but the deadline is coming xP.

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Okay good more time. I unvoted cabd because you guys were taking too much time arguing over the Cabd/Xay lynch. So I thought you guys might not end the argument before the deadline. That's why I thought a Sorc lynch would be better because everyone agreed that he is no use to town.

Again, these four are scummy to me. {Sorc, Cabd, FSO, Nero}

I'm not trying to avoid the Cabd/Xay lynch, but now that we have more time, I don't care if you guys want to lynch one of Xay/Cabd. I'm keeping my vote on Sorc because he's the most scummy to me right now. I highly suggest a Sorc lynch.

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Works for me, regardless.

In that case I do in fact have time for this:

UNVOTE:
VOTE: LMB

Wanna tell me why you're pushing the dichotomy of "one scum in these two people"?

Looking for a quick lynch? No, that aint happening You're just jumping on the wagon to avoid being lynched today.

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Why the hell would I be partners with Cabd? He's scummy to me.

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@Nero, mostly gut, but some of your posts make you look lazy and unhelpful xP.

We can look at Hyp's flip, if scum, lynch Xay.

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If hyphero turns town, we lynch Cabd?

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Hyphero I suggest you claim right now or you'll be lynched. If you claim, we might not lynch you. If you dont, you'll be hanged from a tree and we'll find out your role anyways. =P

L-2

Vote:Hyphero

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Damn, my reads are being flipped around. No longer town reading Xay and Hyp.

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nero didn't you already have a vote on him?

............ it was a rt

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If you guys don't have any better ideas, lets just look at hyphero's flip for today.

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In case I die tonight and hyphero flips town, lynch sorcerer tomorrow guys!

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Everyone sheep me. Xay was whiteknighting.

And xay was right that hyphero was newbtown. Guys, it's Sorcerer + FSO/Nero I'm pretty sure.

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So I'm kinda thinking that scum is in Xay, david, and LMB.

Sorcerer is scum and you know it.

FOS: nero

You are avoiding the sorcerer lynch. Sorcerer will lose his evil powers!

Vote:Sorc

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Nero + Sorc 75% now.

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I've also been debating this and I think I'm going to go ahead and do it

claim: 1 shoot bulletproof

Now is the time for ANY cc's. If no cc then me and oka are confirmed town.

Ugh, you guys crapped up my reads.

But sorcerer is still scum either way.

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Scum doesn't try, town trys. That's the diff.

Pedit: Not me.

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FSO + Sorc is quite likely . We should lynch Sorc today to see his flip, but no way he's town.

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Btw nero, that was a bad move man.

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IDK man, in that newbie game that I played with sorc he was lurking it up there too and in general, lurking is pretty null. He IS saying less silly things but like

like David seems p scummy to me 'cause he was parroting conftown hyp about wanting to lynch oka.
Still think Xay is pretty scummy. Dude was whiteknighting like a boss.
I also really hate LMB's "Xay was right that hyp was newbtown, therefore he's town!"

Erm.. this is Sorc's ONLY newbie game. Sorc + FSO, or Sorc + David.

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Wait, nvm, this is Sorc's second newbie game.

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The way that he actively contributes makes it look like that he is trying hard to make town win. Wallish posts, analysis, reads, and etc xD.

Xay is town to me, I don't see any scummy points about him.

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The whiteknighting argument doesn't makes sense. It would've been scummy if Hyphero flipped scum, then Xay would be obviously his partner. However, hyphero flipped town, so Xay was correct about him.

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LMB is the better choice to lynch the FSO. He TUNNELS sorcerer. FSO seems to be average newb, while LMB is a fisherman. I think he think there is a doc so he took cabd out.

609 idiotic way of separating them two.
747 The normal "if i die" to prove his townyness.
793 Fucking generic advice that completely 360's his previous "All pr's should claim"
809 OMG LMB DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT WHITEKNIGHTING IS??? CABD EXPLAINED IT

VOTE: lmb

Dude, just because FSO or I was on the hyphero wagon, doesn't mean one of us is scum.

609: It was logic, if I was scum, I wouldn't want to lynch my own partner.
747: I was pretty sure Sorc is scum, didn't want you guys to lynch the wrong person next day.
793: I told you, I forgot the setup.
809: Ok, that was my fail. I messed up the definition.

622: If I was scum and wanted to lynch Cabd, why would I kill him at night? That doesn't makes sense to me. Oka, you are tunneling me.

Sorc, the more you contribute, the more I read you town. Now you are a bit scummy to me, not as bad as d1 though.

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Hi guys, I'm back from

cold hell

Seattle.

Oka, I have a very good reason why PRs should claim. I believe I wrote a whole post about it, but I'll just post it again.
Btw, more than half of the players saw your "code" so you're screwed tonight anyways.

Case 1: Oka is telling the truth

The only other PR is not that important, but at least we'll have some clears. It improves our chances of finding scum. 2 out of 7 players is better than 2 out of 9 players.

Case 2: Oka is lying

WELL WE LYNCH OKA TODAY, DUUH. Xay will rage. To me, Oka is 50/50 right now so it worth it to have the PRs claim. Unless you guys highly trust Oka's claim, having the PRs claim will be beneficial to town.

You never lynch a claimed pr, genius.

If you were cc'd, then we might lynch you. I never said we should 100% lynch you. Reading is essential mate.

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Scum doesn't try, town trys. That's the diff.

Pedit: Not me.

Effort is not indicative of alignment.

Scum doesn't have the motivation to scumhunt, their goal is to avoid being lynched. Not finding scum.

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In my mind right now, 2 of these three are scum {FSO, David, Sorc}

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2 scums out of these four {Sorc, FSO, David, Xay} (I know this is biased and I'm not confirmed town, but this is my view)

Xay is town to me currently, might change later depending.

Sorc had a bad history but contributing more. Leaning Scum.

FSO had a bad history too, unlikely to be with David since he just attacked david now. Maybe Sorc + FSO or FSO + Xay.

David needs to be more active and do more stuff. Leaning Scum. David + Sorc maybe.

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LMB: for 793 you did not forget the settup, you said "bad move" which is complete generic advice. You have completely changed your views overnight.

I didn't realize that there could be a doctor for the tracker setup. And Cabd made me realize that claiming bp is bad too.

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Xay is town to me currently,

might change later depending

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on?

Xay is not confirmed town, so if he acts scummy today, I will change my read on him.

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(Lets lynch LMB)

Ok man give me 3 reasons why I will be lynched today, instead of Sorc or David or FSO.

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Very likely that LMB's scum here, by the way. Really don't like how he tried to fish for PR's on day when it was completely unnecessary; you'll very likely know if Oka was fake the next night considering that scum wouldn't leave a tracker alive for the reasons I listed above. I've a hard time believing Oka is real tracker here just due to the fact that he didn't die; I'm not saying it's 100% unlikely, but; it's odd.

Would keep reading, but I'm tired.

Mind you, there is a doctor in this settup, and experienced players would most likely not take the risk until a CC appears.

Eh, you softed tracker which would imply there was no doctor, though? Unless I'm reading the setup wrong.

On day 1 I just wanted to confirm that Oka wasn't lying, Oka was really scummy before he claimed. I told you guys this many times, I didn't realize that claiming PR wasn't necessary until Cabd explained that Cop or Jailkeeper claiming was better than claiming BP or doc.

Well Oka is pretty much confirmed since Cop/Jailkeeper didn't claim. Either he/she is completely retarded or Oka is Tracker.

I don't like how you guys are lynching me just because of a mistake. Oka was extremely scummy back then, so I really doubted that he was tracker. (Until no one cc'd xP )

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Seriously that's like peanut evidence against me.

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Eh, you softed tracker which would imply there was no doctor, though? Unless I'm reading the setup wrong.

Lol, you're making the same mistake I did bra. The setup could be either tracker + doc or tracker + bp.

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If you guys want still want to ask me questions about that mistake I'll answer, but since now I answered everything, lets get back on track on scumhunting.

I pretty sure 2 of these three are scum. {FSO, awestfie, Sorc}

FSO is not very helpful, Sorc has been more helpful recently, and awestfie is not showing a good first impression xP.

She wagons on me right away: "

Very likely that LMB's scum here, by the way. Really don't like how he tried to fish for PR's on day when it was completely unnecessary; you'll very likely know if Oka was fake the next night considering that scum wouldn't leave a tracker alive for the reasons I listed above.

I didn't realize that it was unnecessary until Cabd explained that Cop/Jailkeeper claim was more optimal. As a somewhat experienced player, you should know what is "very likely scum" and what is not. Seriously, the arguments sent against me was weak-sauce.

Found scum. It is confirmed. So scummy. Have to lynch her today.

Vote: awestfie

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Oka wanted me to look at LMB

so I'm trying to interact with LMB because that's like the best way I read people, by interacting with them.

But he's not posting.

Sry, will reply when I have time. I'm town btw.

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Dude. You don't believe the un cc'd tracker? Noobscum. You're whole argument is based off of me and xay buddying? I never said Xay is conf town, he's still a possible scum. Xay + FSO is quite likely actually. On the other hand, Sorc + you is also likely. FSO wouldn't have put Sorc at L-1 if they were buddies.

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Oh yeah, btw keep reading, you'll need as much info as you can get.

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as this goes on I am starting to doubt oka's claim.

Yes I understand no one has CC'ed him which pretty much guarantees that he is true on his claim...

However

It seems pretty suspicious that Cabd just so happened to have been to one you tracked and he just so happened to have died when during day 1 you never raised any suspicion on him. What was your reasoning for tracking Cabd as opposed to LMB or Xay, people who you did have suspicion that day?

FSO follows aero here. Hmm.. Aero + fso is likely.

One of Xay/Aero is scum. Xay and Aero is unlikely. Sorc is turning townish because of his recent posts and Aero is getting really scummy. FSO is newbscum not doing stuff.

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Vote: Aero

Die, scum.

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Yeah pretty much.

Xay + Sorc is also possible. Both FSO and Aero scumreads Xay, so Xay can't be partners with one of them.

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Like I said I want to believe that your claim is true and for now I do.

I had been thinking about what I said in that post since day 2 began but since no one else questioned it I didn't wanna bring it up/didn't really know how (newb here. remember) and when I saw aero question it I took it as an opening for discussion. Didn't really expect this backlash.

Don't play the newb card. Being a newb isn't an excuse.

You just suddenly backed off of this argument, like scared scum afraid of being lynched.

Like I said I want to believe that your claim is true and for now I do.

WEAAAAAAAAK

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Reads:

Town

myself - because I know I am town.
Oka - because no one has CC-ed him as tracker and for now I believe him.

Neutral

Nero - just because I haven't seen any scum slips from you and you haven't done anything that I should be suspicious of.
Sorcerer - hasn't given much input to help town but hasn't done anything I would consider scum.

Scummy

David - a mixture of a gut feeling and just a sense of lurking.
Xay - Knows how to play the game and is very active but I can't quite pinpoint if he's just really good town or really good scum.

I will wait to see if anyone CC's Nero on his claim

Wait crap, just read this, damn it, my reads are being 180'd again. If she suspects David (Aeronaut), then they are not partners.

Xay + Sorc or Aero + Sorc or FSO + Sorc

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Sorc is currently confirmed scum.

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For those of you that are confused.

Using basic logic here:

FSO suspects David (Aero) and Xay, thus she is unlikely to be partners with them. She can only be partners with Sorc.

Aero suspects Xay on his post of reads, thus they are unlikely to be partners. Aero can be only partners with Sorc.

Xay can't be partners with either of them (using the above logic), so he can only be partners with Sorc.

I know this is biased and I'm not conf town to you guys, but I am town and using logic, Sorc is CONFIRMED SCUM.

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Xay is likely scum, so if everyone is okay with this, I'll hammer Xay. (We lynch Sorc tomorrow)

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Wait nvm, I'll give you the hammer Oka.

Vote:Xay

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If xay flips town, we must lynch Sorc because he is confirmed scum!

Read post 960 for details.

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If xay flips town, we must lynch Sorc because he is confirmed scum!

Read post 960 for details.

Why, because you are town? For all we know, you could be scum. You said it yourself here:

I'm not conf town to you guys.

Your post (the one quoted at the top) is really bad, I mean, if you are scum and Xay is town, then you KNOW that xay will flip town. You posting this here and now before his flip means that you plan on using it to try and pin a lynch on me, on D3. The fact that you trying to set up lynch for the next day is really bad. Town would only do that if they knew that a lynch flip could reveal a scum player. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HIS FLIP WILL DO. This has put the nail in the coffin in my mind.

VOTE: Lynch Me Bro

As far as I'm concerned, you are confscum to me.

It's D2 Xay, here is your reminder to talk about the "day ending quick" comment.

oh yeah, not only scum want to end the day quick, but often newbPRs will too, because they are eager to use their night abilities.

especially cops or trackers, which are like offensive town roles

i just wanted to avoid PR discussion D1, because that's what scum want

and they got it at the end of the day, so welp-dee-fuck

This is piss weak dude. The fact that LMB is targeting you at this point tells me that you are town, so I'm not going to vote you.

Omgus, hahaha you totally fell for it. Your reaction is amazing, you got scared and retaliated immediately and voted me.

For those of you that are confused.

Using basic logic here:

FSO suspects David (Aero) and Xay, thus she is unlikely to be partners with them. She can only be partners with Sorc.

Aero suspects Xay on his post of reads, thus they are unlikely to be partners. Aero can be only partners with Sorc.

Xay can't be partners with either of them (using the above logic), so he can only be partners with Sorc.

I know this is biased and I'm not conf town to you guys, but I am town and using logic, Sorc is CONFIRMED SCUM.

Lol, dat 180.

For starters, NOBODY IS CONFSCUM. Stop using that phrase. Nobody is conftown. Stop using that phrase.

It's probably LMB + Xay. In the above post, I think LMB is trying to divert us onto Sorc. Notice where he says that Xay could only be scum if Sorc is scum. I think he knows that Sorc is town (because he is scum), and he's trying to get us to vote for Sorc so we can see his alignment. By his own logic, that'd confirm Xay as town, and LMB as probably town. Sorc is a scapegoat. I'm not so sure myself what Sorc's allignment is, but there are people who are scummier at the moment. We should definitely look into him D3.

LMB

, why not just vote Xay? A big reason we suspect you is because we think you're partners with Xay. If you're so sure he's town, why not just lynch him so that your clear? We need more people to be "basically confirmed town" soon, or we're going to be screwed.

Okay, I'll stop using the "confscum", lets just say one of me and Sorc has to be scum. And I know I'm town, so sorc is scum to me.

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Sorc is scum either way, if Xay is town or scum, it doesn't matter.

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I think there's a m.

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Finally you guys listen to me that Sorc is scum

Sorc + FSO, since Oka + Aero is clear and I'm town (cuz i know it)

Vote:Sorc

You should of seen his reaction to my vote at the end of day 2.

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Btw, I'm sry I sucked at reading people this game.

This is technically my 2nd game, but I replaced out on my first. But at least I knew that sorc was scum.

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but it doesn't is what I am saying. LMB made many different combinations of guesses one scum teams.

Excluding Oka LMB has thrown out each possible combination of scum teams.

He pushed for the wagon on Xay because he was sure it was Xay+Sorc and look where that got us.

I wanted a Sorc lynch at first, but then Oka was like "Vote xay or go die in a hole". Btw xay hammered himself, so not my fault.

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Since this is so obvious, I won't even bother to defend myself.

Vote: FSO

Unless you guys really really want me to, but yeah gg.

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This setup is too bleeping town sided. We had 2 mislynches and still found scum xD. HAHAHAHA good job guys. Aero did good, Xay did good, nero nice fake claim but sorc outsmarted you. Oka you did good except the claim d1.

Anyways this was my first "completed" game. And my second finished game. Yay 2-0 as town so far. Hope to play with you guys again, I'm probably going to play a mini sometime soon.

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Actually I'm going to join a micro game cuz I like small games.

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Yeah, I guess so. The inexperienced people were scum this game and town had alot of experienced people.

You, Xay, Aero, Oka, Nero. (I had some experience on another forum and irl)

Cabd can you give me feedback? I want to know my fail posts xD.

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I honestly don't have much feedback for you LMB. You had caught the scumteam by Day 2. You played a very good game, probably the best on town.

My #1 advice to both you and Nero Cain is to not have GIFs as avatars because they make me want to gouge my eyes out.

Ookay, I'll change it. Thanks