Newbie 1560 -- Game Over

[TheFireRises]

/confirm

Let the games begin.

VOTE: Derangement

[TheFireRises]

Don't forget Hopkirk we are new to this so we are bound to make a few mistakes whether you believe then as that or not.

What is this in reference to?

All his questions though I now understand he is probably just trying to get a read on people.

You're an alright guy... aside from that red role pm, of course.

Someone get this hothead outta here.

[TheFireRises]

paulw556 can live for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheFireRises

Ahh thanks

so to get this right eventually and finally. Lol.

Unvote:

Vote:TheFireRises

Hopefully that's right

Preview says so.

Don't forget Hopkirk we are new to this so we are bound to make a few mistakes whether you believe then as that or not.

What is this in reference to?

All his questions though I now understand he is probably just trying to get a read on people.

You're an alright guy... aside from that red role pm, of course.

Someone get this hothead outta here.

Afraid he'll make you scumslip?

Every post you make sounds fake, I'm keeping my vote here btw

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Woops, ignore first quote

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Every post you make sounds fake, I'm keeping my vote here btw

'Kay.
Was hoping for something more, but I suppose this early on it was hard to go on more than just gut feeling.

Hoping for something more..?

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paulw556 can live for now.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TheFireRises

Ahh thanks

so to get this right eventually and finally. Lol.

Unvote:

Vote:TheFireRises

Hopefully that's right

Preview says so.

Why me?

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Every post you make sounds fake, I'm keeping my vote here btw

'Kay.
Was hoping for something more, but I suppose this early on it was hard to go on more than just gut feeling.

Hoping for something more..?

You know... like actual reasons to vote seriously.

Oh but I am serious

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You have done two things, defend yourself and act cute. I got nothing else.

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Take off the mask, Derangement.

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Nothing personal Depi, but...

VOTE: DeathFisaro

This slot is scum. Not due to Depi's actions, but those of his predecessor.

At first, I thought paul's nervousness at being targeted during RVS was just newb behavior, but when he replaced our the second I stopped suspecting him as scum, it occurred to me that he was dodging a ban for a strategic replace out.

You don't find replacing to be a null tell?

Also, were are the other pro-players? New scum can learn from elleheathen's impressive lurking.

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I wasn't sure if I should bring it up, but paul has rejoined the queue so he didn't replace due to something with activity. I don't know if that can or should be used as part of a case but it's a thing and doesn't feel right to me.

That's pretty shifty, but using outside-the-game-info doesn't feel right to me.

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There's two scum in the game: Regardless of who you think the first one is, help us find both of them, please.

That's a tall order, especially when a good chunk of the playerlist hasn't posted anything beyond an introduction. I'm suspicious of you and depi, but I don't think it can be both of you. It's clear to me that there is scum hiding at the moment. (Of course, we're only on the first few pages here.)

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Also, were are the other pro-players? New scum can learn from elleheathen's impressive lurking.

What do you think they will learn? I mean, besides your misrep.

The Art of Fluff

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Also, were are the other pro-players? New scum can learn from elleheathen's impressive lurking.

What do you think they will learn? I mean, besides your misrep.

The Art of Fluff

They're going to learn the art of fluff from you misrepping me as lurking? Interesting.

VOTE: TheFireRises

What do you think they will learn now?

I would like to learn how you define "misrepping"

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@125
Paulwise: You think he's a big newbie so why would newbie's not act that way?
Wondering if the townreads on all the non newbies is intentional or scuking up. Not enough info to get a read on me but slight town instead of null/neutral is odd.
Firerises wise: Could you clarify this a little, do you mean look for the scumteam or multiple scummy players.

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VOTE: elleheathen

I believe your posts are useless, you believe I am misrepping.

What we have here is a Mexican standoff.

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VOTE: elleheathen

I believe your posts are useless, you believe I am misrepping.

What we have here is a Mexican standoff.

And if I say I do not like the posts of either of the two of you?

Do share.

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Do share.

I see plenty of back-and-forth between the two of you, but there's no substance in it.
What might have been a legitimate accusation of Elle being inactive has spun off into talk about... fluff?

A quick wiki search finds nothing about the term, which leads me to think the two of you are trying to seem active, without actually contributing anything.
Am I wrong here?

Elle's lack of activity (and shallow posts to cover it) IS the fluff.
Look at her ISO. There's nothing there. I am not misrepping when I say that, you can see for yourself.

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IMO, if you're going to make an accusation, at least have some substance behind it as opposed to just trying to make someone look scummy because they haven't been on in awhile.

A misrep, you clearly just made up the last part of the sentence.

Do share.

I see plenty of back-and-forth between the two of you, but there's no substance in it.
What might have been a legitimate accusation of Elle being inactive has spun off into talk about... fluff?

A quick wiki search finds nothing about the term, which leads me to think the two of you are trying to seem active, without actually contributing anything.
Am I wrong here?

Elle's lack of activity (and shallow posts to cover it) IS the fluff.
Look at her ISO. There's nothing there. I am not misrepping when I say that, you can see for yourself.

I think you need to read Hopkirk's explanation of fluff.

And I don't have a lot of posts, it's not hard to break down. Here:

#5 - Irrelevant, confirmation post
#15 - RVS vote
#90 - In reference to House fake-town reading my vote because of my avatar. It makes me uneasy.
#127 - Def not fluff.
#128 - Def fluff with context. I like read walls.
#133 - Def not fluff. Serious vote.
#134 - Giving a read based on the context on my #128 fluff.

So. 7 posts before you accused me off fluff. And 1 out of those that was actual fluff - though, I'll concede that #90 could have been seen as such, too. So 2.

Dangerously close to another misrep, friend.

I called you out after 90, before 127. You would then agree that prior to my vote, you had not made a serious post. The rest is you defending yourself and giving out snarky/obvious comments.

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deathfisaro, you cast suspicion everywhere but you haven't voted at all since replacing. It looks like you just don't want to commit to something and draw attention. See you Monday.

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All right. Since we're one Deathfisaro short for a couple of days, I'll make it easier for town to avoid dumb mistakes, and turn my attention elsewhere... for now.
I spy with my little eye something beginning with "unhelpful".
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VOTE: TheFireRises

Good idea, now that fisaro can't unvote me.

Unhelpful with what, exactly?

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All right. Since we're one Deathfisaro short for a couple of days, I'll make it easier for town to avoid dumb mistakes, and turn my attention elsewhere... for now.
I spy with my little eye something beginning with "unhelpful".
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VOTE: TheFireRises

Good idea, now that fisaro can't unvote me.

Unhelpful with what, exactly?

Can you point out what you

have

been helpful with?
If you were town, wouldn't you be making the most of your day phase?

But I am trying to. Do have an actual argument to make?

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I feel like I've been pretty transparent with my scum reads. I don't like Elle and Dee, and I don't like deathfisaro either, particularly after his last post.

I noticed you were defending Elle a bit. Have you played with her before?

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I feel like I've been pretty transparent with my scum reads. I don't like Elle and Dee, and I don't like deathfisaro either, particularly after his last post.

I noticed you were defending Elle a bit. Have you played with her before?

Compare your analysis on your reads with the analysis other players make of theirs, ragardless of whether they're for the same people or not.
Do you see any differences?

Now look at your ISO. Do you think you are doing enough to improve the quality of the reads everyone has?

Yes? People might not agree with my reads, but I've worked hard in putting them out there. I feel like you're just trying to find a reason to bust me, without doing any work whatsoever.

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Sorry I haven't been posting much, class finals are going down. I'll try to get back to speed tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Elle

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VOTE: elleheathen

I would

love

to hear your reasoning for the random banter, and the hammer without declaration of intent.

Dee, you're alright with me.

VOTE: elleheathen

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If I'm still alive when I get back, I know there's things I missed.

If not, you have my reads.; Kill Hopkirk and sheep House.

Where did this House sheeping craze come from? A lot of loyalty for a hired gun. He's switched his vote, are you gonna do the same?

Can someone explain where the hopkirk hate came from? I can't recall him doing anything scummy.

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House, can you explain your deranged read? Is it just because of 311?

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Current impressions:

deathfisaro - scum
ludakic300 - null
TheFireRises - null/scum
Derangement - null/scum
Howl - null/scum
House (SE) - town
Hopkirk (SE) - town
elleheathen (SE) - town
singersigner - null

This reads list is guaranteed to change once I get some time to better examine the game state, time had been short lately.

If I had to pick two for scum right this second, I'd go with Depi & Howl.

So this is you townreading Hopkirk, and you literally haven't explained anything about your current scumread on him since making this post.

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Friendly reminder that ludakic has made a whopping 3 posts, the last of which was a week ago. I'm not saying he's scummy, but I'm just saying he might be a figment of our imaginations.

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If you think so, fine.

I don't have time to pay ping pong posting with you. I work 14 hours a day and check in when I can.

If you want to lynch me, do it at the end of the day, and use the rest of this time to scum hunt so I can do so as well through interactions.

Bickering with me isn't helping me confirm my read on Hopkirk at all, so you go ahead and rush to lynch me if it suits your fancy.

Either way, I can't play the game.

I'm getting a little tired of this. You want us to sheep you, but you're too cool to explain anything. I don't think you're Mick Jagger, I think you're just talking out of your ass.

VOTE: House

Someone get this hothead out of here.

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I got you two confused, sorry.

What exactly are you trying to do then, House? You say you're too busy to explain, but you've posted more here than most people have, and you're playing more games than most people are.

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So question... if Hopkirk thinks elle is scum, why is it he isn't on her wagon?

And if TFR is scum reading elle, why did he jump off the wagon that is most likely to result in a lynch?

Answer: they don't want to be on it when VCA is done after she flips town.

Hopkirk seemed game for a hammer, which would result in a very very short Day 2. Elle read hasn't changed.

I gave you plenty of reasons, you are just ignoring them in your conf bias and/or manipulation.

Idk, do what you are gonna do.

Unwatching thread.

I'm loving the defeatist attitude House has picked up ever since the slightest bit of doubt was put on him.

@Howl, I hope everything goes well with your family, I had fun playing with you.

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Elle is either scum or we majorly disagree on claims.

Elle could you go other your opinions on when people should claim based on wagons on them and why you think so?

Not hammering yet as this may be a misunderstanding and i have 3-4 people who i think might be scum (elle and derangement looking more likely atm).

Intent to hammer Elle.

Waiting on lud to comment first.

Still trying to decide between Elle/House (first?). I'll probably place a vote tomorrow.

So question... if Hopkirk thinks elle is scum, why is it he isn't on her wagon?

And if TFR is scum reading elle, why did he jump off the wagon that is most likely to result in a lynch?

Answer: they don't want to be on it when VCA is done after she flips town.

Hopkirk seemed game for a hammer, which would result in a very very short Day 2. Elle read hasn't changed.

I gave you plenty of reasons, you are just ignoring them in your conf bias and/or manipulation.

Idk, do what you are gonna do.

Unwatching thread.

I'm loving the defeatist attitude House has picked up ever since the slightest bit of doubt was put on him.

@Howl, I hope everything goes well with your family, I had fun playing with you.

Which bit of that sounded like i wanted an early hammer?

The "intent to hammer" line rang a few bells. I'm not sure what you consider early though.

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If you read my post games like you claim you did, you would know I outed all the members of my scum team in my first reads list in NY 177, for example.

And I bussed the shit out of both of them.

If I was scum, I'd have bussed the shit out of her for town cred.

You seem really proud of this. The argument implies that you would never change your scum meta.

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elle, do you town read TFR?

Do I town read him? No - look at the guys posts. But I'm not scum reading him either.
I think it's because I really think both scum are on that D1 wagon - and that both scum have been active throughout today - and he's not either.

I can't be reading this right. If you thought the wagon was scummy, then why did you hammer?

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We lynch TFR. If he flips town, House and Elle are mafia. Now in LyLo, we vote one after the other and town still wins.
If TFR flips mafia, that clears both elle and house. In the next two days, we can then easily find who the last scum is and offer them a nice neck rope for Christmas.

I hate when people set up lynch queues like this.

Say you lynch me, but I'm wrong about my reads. You lynch either House or Elle, and scum wins. Don't make this sound like its a heads or tails scenario.

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If you read my post games like you claim you did, you would know I outed all the members of my scum team in my first reads list in NY 177, for example.

And I bussed the shit out of both of them.

If I was scum, I'd have bussed the shit out of her for town cred.

You seem really proud of this. The argument implies that you would never change your scum meta.

I know how I play. I'm simple to read if people take a minute and actually look outside of their preconceived notions.

Short version is: If I'm looking scummy, I'm probably town. If I'm paying a town game, chances are I'm scum.

I don't understand. You would lose every game as scum If you had the same tells every time.

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VOTE: elleheathen

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Self-meta is when you talk about your own meta. If you have knowledge of it then you can change it.

Hopkirk, do you still think House and Elle are a scum team?

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Hey there everyone.

Self-meta is when you talk about your own meta. If you have knowledge of it then you can change it.

Hopkirk, do you still think House and Elle are a scum team?

Present a case for elle that has nothing to do with Depi's lynch.

I've been scumreading her since D1, you know this. Her scumhunting tactics D2 haven't really done her any favors though.

I don't see why town!TFR wouldn't have jumped on the chance to trap me into voting for elle after these two posts:

I'm sorry, was this a test? You threw out a semi-elle scumread in hopes that someone would pounce on it? Take responsibility for your own actions.

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Sorry guys. Got home from school yesterday and ended up being pretty busy.

I still think Elleheathen is scum, and I dont understand any of the convoluted plans Ive seen to lynch elsewhere today. She has enough expeirence on this site to know that hammer was terible, yet she pretends to think that it was ok play. Thats straight up policy lynch material.

Case study: The same thing happened in Newbie 1548. I tried to make excuses for why Molla might have hammered without a claim, but when it comes down to it that action is policy lynch material. Molla flipped scum.

So...after lunch im going to go back and read the stuff I missed, respond to it, vote Elle, and refuse to move it until she's lynched.

You haven't voted since replacing in. Why are you so hesitant? Especially since you've been scumreading elle from the beginning.

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Oh, yeah, and welcome back, Howl.

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As far as I'm concerned, Elle and Dee are town.

It's up to the rest of you gents to prove your alignment, now.

Hopkirk already proved his.

Someone get this egg off my face

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I also find it notable that I'm the lone survivor of the Hopkirk wagon.

What a matter plan I must have, killing off those who are voting for my targets.

I'M A GENIUS!

What's the next part of your master plan?

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If House and Hopkirk were both town, scum would have flash hammered house and won the game.

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Good game, scum! All of my reads were 100% wrong so I need to step up my game, lol.

Sorry I called you a hothead, house. Sorry I called you fake, Dee. Sorry I tunneled you, Elle.

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I was wondering if some of the se's could comment on their own play, I have a lot to learn.

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Can I just say that Dee is a brilliant player. He was unattackable the entire game which is a great quality.

Yo, this. I gotta say, I'm getting serious talent-envy from all of you, especially after reading those scum and dead threads.

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Thanks for the advice, Micc. I was very suspicious of the guy you replaced, but it turned null the moment you came in and I sort of forgot about you, which I'm guessing was exactly what you wanted!

By the way, Nobody Special, not to pry, but at the end of page 1 the thread was locked for like an entire day and then the IC was replaced. What was up with that?

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Ah ok I was wondering. Anyways, thanks for moderating, it sounds hard.