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Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah......WOAH! Someone should most definitely take a vote off this Epic Warrior guy. This guy is towny mc town town! I've been catching up on this thread the past like thirty-forty minutes, and I was just dying for tool to let me in (even sent him a semi-frantic text message). This lynch isNOThappening. I've looked at a few people's ISO's already, and I'm going to go back through some ISO's because some wanky stuff's going on here. I have some scum reads, and major town reads already. Bare with me while I check everyone's ISO's some more."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 35, Epic Warrior wrote:In post 34, ++-- wrote:*have voted
I know that it's probably too early to do so, but I think now I'll say that, currently, I have a slight townread on copper for his generally helpful comments and questions, and, at the same time, not trying to lead.
Could he not be intentionally trying not to lead? Whereas a townie would act more naturally? Think it's still too early for town/scum reads. But then again, this is my first game
In post 75, Epic Warrior wrote:In post 68, copper223 wrote:@Singer
I was waiting for Cabd to follow up because if an IC jumps on this train he is ver likely scum, and to see what you would do after calling what is happening interesting, because I'm trying to understand if you are also waiting for people to jump on it to call them scum or if you are trying to break it up as soon as possible before a maybe less experienced partner gets caught in the bait.
So either way you're saying he's scum?
In post 379, Epic Warrior wrote:[quote="In post 376, copper223]
@Drixx
From my recent 6/7 games, site meta is to put a player at L-1, wait for someone to declare intent and after he claims lynch if he is VT or form a second wagon if he claims PR. You jumped the gun by claiming early when apparently there wasn't enough support for your lynch, I'd advise against it in the future if you are town.
Why? Why would it be bad to claim? Why is it bad to claim early? WHY?!?!?!?!
First off, these a reasons why he is just noobtown. I stopped looking through the ISO after I realized almost everything about himSCREAMSnoobtown."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 657, Epic Warrior wrote:Third, I have a good townread on ++-- now. His posts on the previous page show that even though he has his reads, he's not tunnel visioned and is willing to develop/change his reads.
In post 666, Epic Warrior wrote:Ok, to reply to all your comments at once, I didn't say survival at all costs. I said that we're all trying to survive. While it's not a win condition, wouldn't it be nice to play the game out rather than die D1 or D2? @copper 663: You're right I thought he was suggesting I start a counter wagon, but he was telling you that I wasn't, therefore that wasn't my plan. Sorry just misread it.
He's really trying to help. His newness is showing and I think it's an accidental trust tell. I can't be the only one seeing this, and I believe scum is taking advantage of this.
In post 681, Epic Warrior wrote:
What? Was I? And does that "so" imply new information?
@All
I see you have yet to answer my question in 674.
@copper
When HI votes me I see she gets away with a crap/nonexistent reason, but when I vote you based on a case, I have to explain?
He doesn't even know what he's doing, and is seeing the hypocrisy in others reasonings, which the reasonings are crap, by the way."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Just going to give some quick reads first, and I'll explain them at a later time.
Epic Warrior - town. I believe he accidentally is trust telling, and I don't see how people aren't seeing it.
Hostile Intent - town. I liked her debacle about voting Cabd, and then backing off because she thought it was dumb. Cabd is always inherently scummy to me, and I always get confused and worried with games with him. I also liked her asking Drixx about the color of the role pm.
Drixx - scum. God damn, this guy has tons of fluff that I could go on for days. Also, he hasn't really done anything other than vote for two seemingly easy targets, and the person I think his partner is.
++-- null as hell. I like a lot of the things he's done, but I can see a lot of it from a scum perspective.
copper223 - town. I've liked everything he's been doing for the most part. I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, but he's very actively scum hunting.
singersigner - my strongest scum read. opportunistic, manipulating the conversation how she wants, in a way that she can play the fake clueless townie. Her posts about Cabd are fake as hell, and nothing really is coming off as genuine for me."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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^ Was hard to read, so here.
Just going to give some quick reads first, and I'll explain them at a later time.
Epic Warrior - town. I believe he accidentally is trust telling, and I don't see how people aren't seeing it.
Hostile Intent - town. I liked her debacle about voting Cabd, and then backing off because she thought it was dumb. Cabd is always inherently scummy to me, and I always get confused and worried with games with him. I also liked her asking Drixx about the color of the role pm.
Drixx - scum. God damn, this guy has tons of fluff that I could go on for days. Also, he hasn't really done anything other than vote for two seemingly easy targets, and the person I think his partner is.
++-- - null as hell. I like a lot of the things he's done, but I can see a lot of it from a scum perspective.
copper223 - town. I've liked everything he's been doing for the most part. I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, but he's very actively scum hunting.
singersigner - my strongest scum read. opportunistic, manipulating the conversation how she wants, in a way that she can play the fake clueless townie. Her posts about Cabd are fake as hell, and nothing really is coming off as genuine for me."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 710, singersigner wrote:Alright, I'll
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until you do a proper catchup.
You ARE suggesting two major town wagons on D1, though, so I'd start with figuring out who is town and who is scum on either one.
It DOES remind me of my previous postulation that EW was genuinely scum hunting as opposed to surviving at all costs by voting only his counterwagon (mallow) until pressured to do so.So then what do you think of Cabd dying and who would kill him if not EW/Drixx?
Stop asking this. Anyone would kill him. He's the IC, and he's Cabd. I see motive for everyone in this game to kill him. Especially you.
You keep bringing it up in a way where you are acting like you'd never kill him. That'sexactlywhy youwouldkill him. You are trying to play it off like only a newbie would kill him, but that's just not true.
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Also, I'm completely caught up. skimmed through every page, looked through everyone's ISO."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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blue is presumed town, greenistown, red is presumed scum, gray is null.
Let's see how this looks.
Epic Warrior(4):Boonskiies,copper223,++--,Cabd
++--(1):mallowgeno12
mallowgeno(4):singersigner,Hostile Intent,Epic Warrior,Drixx
Copper could turn null for me, but for now, I'm town reading."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Why would he have died? You unvoted before Singer could hammer probably. And now it's going to look suspicious if he got hammered."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 539, singersigner wrote:Wholey wall posts, batman!
So you guys already figured out the misunderstanding with copper's theory, but I figured I'd comment that while statistics and educated theories are great, Drixx is right that they can only get you so far. That's not to say that copper is wrong for using them to scumhunt, though I will say that it's weird you're willing to write off Jason and HI as potential scumbuddies for me and not Drixx, who came into the game with a vote on me.
It's statistically more likely that the IC will die first in Newbie Games. I have no verification on whether or not that's due to the inexperience of newbies being 'afraid' of the IC, though.I think experienced players are more likely to allow the IC to live and create WIFOM over them still being alive, but in that case it's about whoever they feel threatened by anyway, or their confidence in their ability to manipulate the conversation with the IC still alive.
@Drixx...so you're saying you think copper lied on purpose? With that purpose being to frame you? Why bother bringing up how youwouldLAL if you still have a town read on him, unless you believe the former to be true, in which case, why did your town read on him increase so much?
@++--...why were you concerned about how early to vote someone in the day?
i dont like how this keeps getting brought up, even after you have your own answer. it's a major reason why I believe you are scum."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 718, copper223 wrote:I'm talking about yesterday when EW was at L-1, before HI and Singer built a counterwagon on Mallow.
it's day 1. Being at the right place for vote analysis is key. Scum doesn't want to hammer or be seen near the end of a town mislynch. HI moved it over, so in a way to seem town, Singer switched over."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 697, singersigner wrote:VCA on cabd:
He was consistently pressuring three people yesterday: Jason, Drixx (or Paul, same slot), and finally EW. None were ultimately lynched, and it would probably be assumed that EW would be the next lynch anyway considering he was the next big wagon. That points to EW not being as threatened by cabd, or at least would probably be paired with someone else whowasthreatened by cabd.Regardless of getting a PR vibe from him, he was also the IC which means newer players might be threatened by him. With his inactivity, and focused pressure all of D1,I can't imagine anyone experienced would kill him if he was wrong(pointing to Jason).
Cabd's ISO analysis:
Scratch what I said about Jason as his more serious vote/pressure fell on Paul (Drixx). This in combination with Drixx attacking one of the most universally town-read players in the game today, andCabd's final declaration of an EW/Drixx partnership is actually making me rethink that pairing.
Drixx's ISO analysis:
So I'm actually becoming more engaged in this game (believe it or not), and now that I'm starting to piece it together as a whole instead of reading things bit by bit when I'm probably drunk, it looks like Drixx has a habit of latching on to the little things (like my miswording at the beginning of the game, or copper's overlooking of a potential setup) and pushing them as epic-ly large things. I tend to get caught up in page long arguments and dismiss them as town v town (since most of the time it is), so I'm withholding judgement on that for now. The middle of your ISO shows more reasoning and logic justifying your change of heart, though, so I'm wondering if you backed off of your pressure on me because it didn't gain traction, or if you found something more "scummy" in HI to latch on to...
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because I forgot how town I actually thought Jason was
The point is...I just don't see how Cabd dies over copper unless copper was scum, copper was wrong, or Cabd was right.
1: PR vibe, there is reason to kill in that alone. Also, Drixx, my other scum read was a main suspect of Cabd. Two reasons. Third, you bringing up the "oh who wood keel Cabd? I dunno nawt meeee!!!"
2: EW/Drixx, you are stating that you see the potential of both. You are bussing a buddy, voting a townie. Classic. Why vote EW over Drixx then, Singer?
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Thank you, Hostile.
What was the point in your stating intent to hammer and waiting if you were just going to vote as soon as he got off of L-1? Positioning for VCA?"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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if EW was confirmed town, who would you say was scummy?"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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*is scum"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 156, paulw556 wrote:In post 29, copper223 wrote:What was your impression of Singer saying I had a strong start but might be trying to trap Cabd because I asked him for a fairly specific meta?
Sorry I never did answer this question so I will do it now.
My impression of that would be that she was impressed with how you started (take it as the compliment it looks to be intended as) as for you trying to trap Cabd I would say she was just fishing for a reaction so she can use it as a gauge for reading you later (no I don't think she was trying to scum read you just looking for a baseline from which to go from)
On top of everything, I believe this was epic new scum talking good about his scum partner. He was defending her really hard. New scum usually do stuff like this. :/ Singer/Drixx scum team. =/"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Also, I'm going to go out of my way, because I believe it's pretty obvious that I'm town, and I'mmost likelygoing to be killed toNight.
Doctor, if you exist, protect me toNight.
This helps us figure out a few things:
1. If I die, there is no doctor this game (or they were successfully RB'd), and scum (who already know the setup due to the cop flip) cannot fake claim doctor.
2. If someone else is shot, we know that thereisa doctor in this game because scum will have taken the safe route and tried to shoot someone other than me. (This doesn't clear me as not being scum, but come on now...)
3. If I don't die, and there is no kill, we know there's a doctor who was unsuccessfully roleblocked."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Were you pressuring my slot? I didn't notice. Nah, you just happened to post while I was posting it. I find you scummier than Drixx, and I see it relating back to you. If you were confirmed towny, I would be null on Drixx."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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she's waiting to see how others feel about my slot so she doesn't seem scummy."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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singer was in a bad place on he vote analysis, and probably thought EW was going down, and didn't want to be on the wagon. You were fine with the second one because it meant you could use it to go after EW."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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day 1 wagons. a lot are both town. you were picking a side. Stronger you stick to that side, more town cred you would get."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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second wagon"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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And Singer's scum buddy to the rescue."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 752, Hostile Intent wrote:Drixx, Boonskiies is town. This is exactly how he was last we played.
He's wrong about the voting sequence, though.
Yeah, I'm wrong about the voting sequence, my bad. Wasn't even my main points of having scum read her. I was screaming inside when I was reading this thread thinking the EW wagon was going through. It was so obvious from an outside perspective that singer is scum."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Stop acting like I'm mainly targeting you, Drixx. I could care less about you right now. I'm set on Singer, because my scum read on you is based off of her being scum. Although, your ignorance is rather scummy; at least I hope it is, and that you aren't actuallythatignorant."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I love how defensive Drixx gets, though. It's actually rather amusing."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 732, copper223 wrote:@Boon
Pretty much your scumreads with Drixx and Singer reversed (without knowing my alignment, me for sure).
@Drixx - Also, I'm not the only one who would think that once EW inevitably flips town because of a stupid avoidable mislynch that you, Drixx, are scum."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Just everything Drixx says...I skim through it, don't see anything really that relevant or alignment indicative.
I expect that a lot of people don't actually read your posts often, Drixx. That's unfortunate."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Also funny how Drixx's scumspect of Singer just suddenly disappeared."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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What are your reads, Hostile? Am I crazy or something for thinking those two are scum?"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Nah. I had it right. I could care less. I'm seemingly caring about it now more than I should. I don't want you lynched toDay, but I'd let it happen and probably join in on it if a push came for you. I want Singer lynched toDay.
The fact that you think I'm scum and would protect EW in this kind of situation and draw this much attention to myself is laughable."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Yeah, you literally got almost everything I said wrong, so whatever. Hopefully the other people in this game aren't as clueless. I know, I know, you arent actually this clueless, you are just scum trying desperately to defend yourself."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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you're hopeless to argue with for me. The fact you are attacking a slot you think town (except drixx thinks this slot is scum now, go figure) makes me feel so much more comfortable with my reads."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I'm only aggressive when I catch scum."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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probably."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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why does it matter if I'm usually aggressive or not? My alignment isn't the one that's being questioned. Hostile has already said this is how I was playing as town."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=58786
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=58285
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=58162
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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=59089"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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There are other people fingering Drixxy, but more will come in time. I'll get to the Singer bit after I sleep. Tired, which is why I went off the deep end."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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@Cooper/Epic - thoughts on Drixx?"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I agree, Hostile. I will change my vote to Drixx if that's what I need to do toDay to make sure Epic Warrior does not get lynched."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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VOTE: Drixx
I haven't the time to put my Singer case together due to me just quickly phone posting at the moment."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Fine. Tell me when you're ready to compromise. Until then...
VOTE: Singer"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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To be fair, copper, that was my 2nd scum game out of two total scum game. I was still testing the waters on what my style was. That shouldn't be used to defend me or not."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Yeah, a lot of people think of me as a VI; a lot of people know I'm a much better player than I let off. I've never gotten NK'd because scum thinks they can manipulate/get me mislynched, which I usually don't get lynched very often. Day 3/day 4 I start to shine, and if I somehow don't make it, it's probably good to analyze how my interactions were with people, and who reacted to me, even if I was wrong about my reads. There's a method to my madness, it just takes me a bit to actually explain it. I learned from playing with BBmolla, I know him in real life, we're close, and he doesn't think I'm a huge troll. I just come off as one."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I'm pretty much epic POE'ing this game, also."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I could be, but if I am right, we lynch Singer tomorrow."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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If epic flips scum, I'll have to reevaluate my read on Hostile."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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I don't usually get aggressive."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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VOTE: Epic Warrior
Incoming my death by NK.
I gotta know."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Hammer."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Claim first."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Yeah, I'm good to lynch it.
VOTE: Epic Warrior
If he's scum, majority of my reads are going to be flipped.
If he's town, I'm confirming most of my reads. This game will be a stalemate until he's lynched."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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The fact he thinks I'm scum, with Hostile Intent of all people, is laughable."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Plus, if I keep him alive and he actually ends up being scum That will be the worst thing ever."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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In post 834, Epic Warrior wrote:In post 705, Boonskiies wrote:Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah......WOAH! Someone should most definitely take a vote off this Epic Warrior guy. This guy is towny mc town town! I've been catching up on this thread the past like thirty-forty minutes, and I was just dying for tool to let me in (even sent him a semi-frantic text message). This lynch isNOThappening.
Boonskiies wrote:VOTE: Epic Warrior
Incoming my death by NK.
I gotta know.
Just so we're clear. Im pretty sure he just voted so he could prove himself right before he gets killed.Draw your own conclusions. Also, I claim as VT.Pretty sure HI and Boon are scumand we're trying to save me to lunch for D3 in LYLO based on the fact that they both adamantly defended me with nothing really to back their cases, then both instantly changed their minds, HI basses entirely on sheeping, which I hear is bad, and Boon for no stated reason.
Scum slip."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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VOTE: Singer
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In the small chance I'm wrong about Singer, I don't want a quick hammer. I basically have a de facto vote there."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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it was an emotional vote, not me thinking it through."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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yeah, mylo and lylo are seen as different here."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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Not sure if newbies are told the difference usually, though. Don't play a whole lot of newbie games."Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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