Newbie 1605 (Game Over)

[heyboxgaminig]

VOTE: Jeanne11

For being first xD

[heyboxgaminig]

It's okay. I am a Knight who says Ni. Gosh, this armor is heavy. My role is useless.

If this was a day one claim I think we have serious problems.

Also funny enough i have a wavering read on Drixx for scum now

She never said she was VT, for all we know she is scum... the only person who knows she is not scum would be scum

sneeky sneeky white knighting there Drixx XD

[heyboxgaminig]

also, jeanne got any songs for us :333

[heyboxgaminig]

@Hexboxgaminig - You do realize that there is a full stop at the period right? I said that no role was worthless. I then pointed out that even "no role" has upsides. Noted that you tried to attack the IC by intentionally misinterpreting something he said. Scum tend to target the IC as a general rule. You just went to the top of the suspect list.

OOOOOOOOOOH defensive, i like that! as you would say "noted"

Also if you thought i was being serious this early in the game and with the amount of "smileys" i used then forgive me for forgetting that you are the IC

Your funny drixx, I like you XD

[heyboxgaminig]

hmmmmmmmmmmm yes!

vote for me! [line]i wanna be president![/line]

Frankly I was just messing around fishing for reactions, and i got some bites.

Fakespear- Saying what is already self evident

OkaPoka- defending me then saying vote for me? LOL

Frankly i am trying a new playstyle and so far its not working out for me

Whatever im calling that jeanne is one shot bullet proof, because in her last game her first posts told her power role and i guess that is what she is trying to do, pretty easy to track if you ask me XD

Feel free to check all of my last games for some more info on my playstyle, i have one scum game and one town game... well i guess i have two town games now

[heyboxgaminig]

Thats not fair, i don't think anybody is shitty here. The day is young.

Lets have a good game guys, also i would love to hear about peoples current experience?? Like, other games on other sites? success in other games?

Especially with you OP (thats what im calling you from now on.) Your being very passive aggressive =)

[heyboxgaminig]

I have a fairly dry sense of humor. When I'm seriously scum reading someone, you all will know.

Ditto

[heyboxgaminig]

Hi all. I'm a SE, which means I'm supposed to know how this whole malarkey works.

And I sort of do.

And heybox is behaving oddly. Whether that means

they

are scum is a different matter, but I'll go for the semi-random vote.

VOTE: heyboxgaminig

Crap, you found out about my split personality! Semi-seruis vote is not enough info. how am i acting weirdly? let town know why to vote me and let scum know how to use me as a scapegoat

Thanks for the info dixx, noted =)

[heyboxgaminig]

Thats not fair, i don't think anybody is shitty here. The day is young.

Lets have a good game guys, also i would love to hear about peoples current experience?? Like, other games on other sites? success in other games?

Especially with you OP (thats what im calling you from now on.) Your being very passive aggressive =)

I've played a couple of games online on another forum, quite different vibe to here - they don't have a rvs so they tend to have the same discussion on what to do each D1, pressure a TPR until they claim and then lynch a vanilla townie that's how it feels anyway!

LOVELY SCUM READ HERE, I want to vote you so bad for this post,

I'm doing it!

VOTE: Trainedmonkey

For two reasons

Why the f@^! would you want to make a TPR claim day one, that's an instant death night one and one step closer to scum winning

and why in gods name would you want to lynch a VT?!?! why would you not want to lynch scum?

Am I missing something???

[heyboxgaminig]

Strong town read on jeanne, deff town. we should leave her alone till at least night two or until scum play arises.

I wont explain this read untill night two. For the sake of the game!

[heyboxgaminig]

Explaining would end in a loss for town. So excuse me if i dont want to!

Feel free to pressure me more though

[heyboxgaminig]

Straight into the rabbit hole perhaps?

[heyboxgaminig]

By the end of night 1 i will have more information on her,

although i think she is bullet proof

[heyboxgaminig]

Let me just say

Theres no doc in the line up :/ if my predictions are correct

[heyboxgaminig]

lol im not claiming at all, but from what i suspect jeanne to be, there wont be a doc =)

Ok so in an old game she had claimed day one in a riddle, and people later used to to realise that she was a PR

She has done it again in this game, when she says "this armour is heavy" I take that as her being one shot bullet proof.

I myself am not claiming at all. That would be fking stupid especialy since i had a go at trained monkey for suggesting it XD

[heyboxgaminig]

And now me telling everybody this go's against her goal of hiding it untill later, thats why i was so worried about saying.

But I dont recomend a day 1 lynch on her!

[heyboxgaminig]

The reason I know the game is because my friend Shadoxx was in it and I was watching his game and saw all of the fluff posted that i was not worried about!

[heyboxgaminig]

Link soon

[heyboxgaminig]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8&start=50

[heyboxgaminig]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8&start=50

Post #68 then confirmed in post #800

[heyboxgaminig]

She likes to leave breadcrumbs so she can use them later on to support a claim

[heyboxgaminig]

By the end of night 1 i will have more information

This is softclaiming.

Now you're probably gunna try and say that all you meant by that is you'll see who dies come day 2... I don't think so. I think you slipped up.

Town would not push this hard on a possible slip up.

[heyboxgaminig]

OOOOOOH DRAT! I must be the most obnoxious person on the thread!! Although your a chicken so I don't know if that counts....

[heyboxgaminig]

I'm fine with creating some pressure


VOTE: fakespear

[heyboxgaminig]

Voting without further action doesn't pressure shit.

Well i would be fine with lynching you ^-^

So here my vote stays, wanna do us a favour and get the OMGUS out of the way??

[heyboxgaminig]

Looking through all of OP'S games he does seem to have this trollish attitude throughout.... and he does seem to pick up on day 2 as he has stated, although this is not helping us as a town now i can understand his trollish posts untill night 2

Null read.

[heyboxgaminig]

Looking through all of OP'S games he does seem to have this trollish attitude throughout.... and he does seem to pick up on day 2 as he has stated, although this is not helping us as a town now i can understand his trollish posts untill night 2

Null read.

thats a lot of effort for a game of mafia

Im in math. Im bored.

Sue me.

Plus your troll attitude led me to thinking you were scum cos you weren't helping very much.

[heyboxgaminig]

Waiting to hear what your reason for that vote is, take this vote as a push on you so you actually contribute <333

VOTE: OkaPoka

[heyboxgaminig]

UNVOTE: jeanne11
scratch that i remembered somethin

VOTE: stoz

I'm glad you're not voting Jeanne, although not that impressed with your new vote.

VOTE: OkaPoka and I think others should vote for him because he is jumping all over the place changing his mind and trying to manipulate people like crazy.

in other words...
vote okapoka becuz he is voting me

also i see no manipulation in me?

OMGUS

LUV it

[heyboxgaminig]

However, I get a vague vibe that Trainedmonkey might be scum trying to start a wagon on OkaPoka.

You've almost convinced me patzer. Anyone else want to contribute a convince me a bit more?

Interesting that patzer votes for me despite the fact you were the one calling for others to join the wagon and then you claim to be "almost convinced" by someone saying they have vague suspicions based on the very thing you did...

I was thinking the same thing... hmm...

[heyboxgaminig]

saw 2 votes, wanted to create pressure to force and answer out of OP

It Worked... Kinda.. not really... so my vote stays

Brb idk gtg will post later but have work!

[heyboxgaminig]

The comment about remembering something when there was nothing to remember about stoz. If they'd said it was to remove the vote from Jeanne and/or for lack of contribution (I.e. Same reason for the Jeanne vote) I would probably not have voted. Vote just just still there while I was deciding who to move it to.

Actually, the "just remembered something" could well be talking about the unvote on Jeanne. There's no reason to assume it was refering to the vote on stoz.

Let me check your earlier posts

UNVOTE: jeanne11
scratch that i remembered somethin

VOTE: stoz

I call shenanigans. You've remembered nothing. Nothing has changed regarding stoz since your post 131 when you didn't bother to vote stoz so I don't believe you.

VOTE: OkaPoka

There was a massive difference between Oka's post 131 and 138. Between then, I had pointed out Jeanne and stoz's inactivity, then the mod prodded those two players. I voted Jeanne based on inactivity, and OkaPoka decided to emulate this, before switching their vote to the other inactive player- stoz.
The difference is, Oka's vote for stoz was presumably a vote based on inactivity, despite the fact they didn't explicity state this. The circumstances were quite different in post 131.

Yes, they could have stated the actual reason for their votes and avoided this.

With all due respect, you seem to be far too critical of OkaPoka's behavior. OkaPoka usually behaves like a troll on day 1, and the presence of such behavior shouldn't be considered very suspicious. Besides, it's not likely that a mafioso would vote for a player in such a manner without any explanation at all; usually some explanation is given by mafia, who tend to be more cautious and afraid of misinterpretation. (though I admit OkaPoka may be an exception to this rule!)

You mentioned that you have played in some mafia games on other forums. Would you be able to provide a link to these, so we can analyse your playstyle if wanted?

Looks like your trying to defend a scum buddy here, and i like how you back yourself up saying "OP may be an exception" so if we lynch him then he is scum you can just fall back onto that

Patzer and Olka team comfirmed

[heyboxgaminig]

saw 2 votes, wanted to create pressure to force and answer out of OP

It Worked... Kinda.. not really... so my vote stays

Brb idk gtg will post later but have work!

if it doesn't really work then why is the vote there?

Because look how much it has done now =) your contributing and we have a mild scum read on patzer now =) thats pretty good since the game was starting to drift off!

Do you think it could be a white knight situation??

[heyboxgaminig]

2.) Whether they are using proper reasoning. I expect town players to look at the evidence and let it guide them to a theory. Scum already know who is on their team, so they by necessity have to use reasoning that begins with a {false} theory that a townie is scum, and then they have to go and manipulate things said person did or said in order to make a narrative that is convincing.

It isn't quite this simple for two reasons. Firstly, this is a newbie game, and thus some town players might not be good at strategy, and thus not implement this evidence-based theory system. Secondly, and more importantly, scum do not appear to use reasoning that begins with a false theory! They would find a false theory, and construct a narrative leading to it. But then they would try to portray the theory in the same way that they believe a townie would. Due to this, it's difficult to find the subtle differences between theory-based evidence and evidence-based theory, when they're presented in the same way.

The general gist of what you're saying is true - thank you for that - but I think it paints the differences between scum and town behavior as being bigger than they are.

As for #1, activity level, how would you apply that to a player like Trainedmonkey? He has told us that he's played elsewhere, but doesn't want to provide a link to the games played elsewhere.

Had just written this, when I realized I was using loaded language negatively portraying Trainedmonkey, in order to ask what appears to be a neutral question. That is bad. I'm just leaving this here as an important reminder to avoid this sort of a fallacy, as it ties in with Drixx has been saying about correct logic.

I announce that, if it gets within 2 hours of the deadline and we still haven't lynched anyone, I intend to vote for the player who has the most votes at that point, regardless of my opinion of the guilt of this player.

Does that include yourself? Are players even allowed to vote for themselves?

Yes and yes.

Self hammering is scummy.

No reason to self hammer yourself if you know your town. thats a minus 2 per night apart from a minus 1 which goes towards a scum win condition.


you are Scum

VOTE: Patzer

[heyboxgaminig]

Ok here are my thoughts on your tiers:

Drixx: Tier 2
Fakespeare: Tier 5 (previously Tier 2)
heyboxgaminig: Tier 2
Jeanne11: Tier 4
OkaPoka: Tier 1
patzer: Tier 2
Baelish_of_Ravenclaw: Tier 4
Trainedmonkey: Tier 3

Bullshit OkaPoka is a one!!

Do Not Agree!

[heyboxgaminig]

do you agree completely with drixx's list? If not then explain what is wrong with the drixx list.

I am really confused. Drixx shared a classification system he has used previously and I attempted to classify everyone using that system.

Is your question directed at me? And are you asking if I agree with Drixx's classification system? Because I haven't seen him publish an actual list of players yet, just the categories themselves.

FWIW, I think Drixx's classification system is good, but I'm the only one to have published a list for this game using that system so far. Patzer agreed with my list and Drixx said it was "fairly decent", but I would be happy to take more comments on it.

If you claim I'm a one, and drixx says scum are rarely found here. So you think im an epic scum player since you are voting me???!!!!

this should be noted

[heyboxgaminig]

OkaPoka is only a one because there hasn't been a lot to talk about yet, and he posts frequently and has addressed every topic thus far.

Was it not you that said not to answer on the behalf of another player??

Why in the case did u answer a question not directed at you??

Just gonna point out incase, now I'm directing it at you!

[heyboxgaminig]

OkaPoka is only a one because there hasn't been a lot to talk about yet, and he posts frequently and has addressed every topic thus far.

Was it not you that said not to answer on the behalf of another player??

Why in the case did u answer a question not directed at you??

Just gonna point out incase, now I'm directing it at you!

There was no question. You made a statement. You didn't ask a question. I gave my opinion on response to your statement.

There was no question but i thought it was obvious that i was looking for a response

Just because there was no question mark does not mean that i was not expecting an explanation from them.

[heyboxgaminig]

Patzer and OP scum buddies confirmed.

I feel as If this could be the case

[heyboxgaminig]

Been a 3 day weekend here. Not round much on weekends. See another vote on me. When I flip town will that still help you formulate your opinions?

But you are here now, and that's how you choose to respond? Not even an argument against the points brought up about you, just 'when I flip Town'. Not a very compelling argument, or something that would make me want to switch my vote.

Maybe this will make him talk more..

VOTE: trainedmonkey

[heyboxgaminig]

OK here is how I see it,

Lynching Drixx is bad because he is IC, to be frank, i dont care if he is scum just yet because the posts he has made (although 70% are "will make a post soon" kind of filler) are good. somewhat. If the deadline was not so close i would go and side with IAI. If i was a cop he is the one i would inspect.

Lynching IAI, this is not going to happen. I like the push he has made against drixx, adore it in fact! scum would not do this! probably my only real town read at this position of time. except for maybe...

Monkey is town. No self hammer makes me think that scum are waiting patiently for the deadline lynch and maybe are just trying to confirm to everybody to stay on this wagon... and who might be doing that you ask?

well..... patzer.

Sorry for this

Unvote

VOTE: Patzer

I know we are close to a no lynch but as i said before i would rather have that. + the night kill will be all I need to make a push on day 2, as to me, night kill info is much better then lynch info!

[heyboxgaminig]

Also, Drixx I am stating LOUD and clear i do not want you to defend Patzer here.

Anybody else, sure go ahead. But no Drixx

[heyboxgaminig]

He did it once before.

After he said not too.

Not ruling out a possible team here

[heyboxgaminig]

plus drixxs IC powers makes people want to follow him quickly.

[heyboxgaminig]

He was at lynch minus one.

With the deadline past approaching. if i was scum i would have self hammered

[heyboxgaminig]

LOL

Dont worry stoz, you wont be the night kill, and if you are I'm VERY worried :')

I dont see bailish as scum, just inactive.

also its annoying me that people wont vote for me. like gosh!

also it worries me about how much of IAI posts are about forming wagons.... and his pre-decided idea that we should already form a lynch pool.. comes off a tad scummy.

ALSO IF ONE MORE PERSON DECIDES WHO WE SHOULD VOTE, OFF INACTIVITY, THEN I WILL LYNCH MYSELF XD

I dont agree with a trained monkey lynch but it seems as if i have no say in the matter :/

Intent to hammer in 12 hours.

[heyboxgaminig]

LOL woops yea, ummmm 3 hours from now then, XD

My reads? only scum would ask me that right before night 1 starts. We Know who the night kill will be. It wont be me. If it is. eh.

Cant hurt to say that i see, patzer to be the current most scummy. although its dwindling as she explained why we should vote for monkey. drixx is pretty scummy. He will be night killed tho.

IAI is town. no doubt.

Oka, your town in my books ATM but im expecting big things from you day 2

[heyboxgaminig]

Oh and If i do die.

Dont lynch balish day 2 and be very careful of the first person who starts a wagon on him...

[heyboxgaminig]

preparing to hammer, using this post to see how long it's been since I said I would

[heyboxgaminig]

VOTE: trainedmonkey

[heyboxgaminig]

Hey guys! I pmed the mod but i guess he did not get it :/ i said i was gonna be absent for a couple of days due to camp..

Anyway i see i have 2 votes now. Interesting.

I will dispute OP's case soon enough, would love to have a shower and msg the GF beforehand though and im not worried about myself getting lynched.

IAI not being killed makes me suspect drixx less but drix not being killed makes me suspect him more. maybe that's just me though.

my thoughts on patzer as a night kill are as follows,

weird.

yea thats about it XD she was pushing hard on monkey who was a VT so it does not make much sense to kill her... heck i would have expected scum to kill me. that really would have confused the town.

will post more but need the beforementioned shower and rest.

[heyboxgaminig]

Sorry about this responces lateness, i did write up a draft but then my computer blue screened and i was too lazy to write it up again.

Either you give me a chance to write up the longer version again or you except this short responce

I am not scum. you said i have only been hopping wagons cos there are more people on it. yet all of my votes have good reasons or are there to create pressure. please check my iso.

You say me getting anoyyed at monkey for PR telling yet blabber on about Jeanes, although i did talk about jeanes and i regret that but getting anoyyed at monkey does not meen anything other then im not scum?

I think it is a silly case but if you need more evidense i can attempt to rewrite up the whole thing :/

[heyboxgaminig]

We need to get some activity going here. I will do my best to see to it in the morning.

If you refuse to put down votes, would you at least please rank the other 6 players from towniest to scummiest, or vice versa, I really don't care.

Interesting that the neither of the two vote getters have casted a vote yet today. I would like to hear Stoz's and heybox's top 2 scum reads ASAP.

The NK has srsly got me questioning my reads. Not sure if I'm off on some of my town reads from end of D1 (Oka, Heybox) or my scum reads (Baelish, Drixx) or both. I'm leaning both, and am happy that the two vote getters currently were on the Monkey wagon. I do like that one of my town reads is voting the other (oka on heybox), makes me realize I'm probably not wrong about both of them.

At this point, I will likely vote one of heybox and stoz, but want to see their scum reads in their next post first. Only thing that would detract me from that is if Drixx continues to fail to produce any votes OR reads, if so I will push for a policy lynch of him. I understand differences in playstyle, but I have never in my 30+ games seen anything this extreme. Reads please!

My towniest to scummiest.

% relates to how much of me thinks there town.

TOWN
Me 100% confirmed

OkaPoka 75%

IAI was 65% but due to saying he will only vote for either of the wagons drops him to a 60% confirmed, Something feels off about it.

gravity 60% for starting a stoz waggon and being productive

stoz 55% nothing super townie about him, nothing scummy either, but by day two if sombody has not done at least one thing scummy then there probs not scum. bad way to look at it hence only a slight town read

drixx is at 50% cos somthing feels off but im not too sure...

ravenclaw 45% due to too much coasting and doing not much.

SCUM

[heyboxgaminig]

Any reason for not voting then?

I feel inclined to vote for stoz due to him being the only other wagon, yet i have a slight town read on him so it does not feel right....

so i guess

VOTE: Baelish_of_Ravenclaw

does not help the game but is an honest vote.

[heyboxgaminig]

God you are manipulative.

A verry scummy act, even though i know your probably not scum

[heyboxgaminig]

Vote for me.

Do it.

would rather you do it ages before the deadline so we can get some actual productive work done

[heyboxgaminig]

Fuck it. Im claiming in a couple of hours so we can at least have a week of good productive work.

Yes this is a soft claim.

Im confident i would be lynched otherwise, i have no deffense other then saying that im not scum which we all know does not work.

i said OkaPoKA Is manipulative because he was like

B: your admitting your scummy

which was twisting all my words around.

[heyboxgaminig]

Claiming

Town Tracker.

[heyboxgaminig]

now can i get some votes off me so we can get some work done.

[heyboxgaminig]

Heybox can only be soft claiming one thing, or else Heybox's slot would have gone after IAI's slot already. If Heybox doesn't die tonight, it's scum.

HOOOOOOOOLD UP.


How do you know i could only be claiming on thing?!?!

this meens

A: your scum that knows the layout

B: you just addmited your the other Power role

I really hope its not the second one.

[heyboxgaminig]

Heybox can only be soft claiming one thing, or else Heybox's slot would have gone after IAI's slot already. If Heybox doesn't die tonight, it's scum.

also now if I don't die tonight lets say they lynch another and we get a townie, scum does not kill me and instead kills somebody else then you as a scum would be able to be like

"hey guys, heybox did not get night killed, he must be scum"

and then make us lose in a lynch loss. your clever drixx, but i see through your plan.

Not to mention that recently you have been buddying OP, and your early hostility in the game furthers my reason to suspect you, your white knighting of patzer threw me off a little but now its so clear to see.

Your scum drixx.

you continue to say you are gonna bring your "A-Game" yet we are still waiting. No more coasting drixx.

Why did scum not kill the IC? why did you point out that scum would stay clear of the ic? because you wanted it to not look weird when you did not die!

The IC is scum.

The one person we thought we could trust

[heyboxgaminig]

VOTE: Drixx

[heyboxgaminig]

With a little detective work you can figure it out from my ISO

[heyboxgaminig]

Anbody gonna challenge my claim?

Would make finding scum real easy

[heyboxgaminig]

Please note how much drixx writes when he is pressured how little he writes when it comes to helping town

[heyboxgaminig]

OkaPoKa

Thoughts on the new wagon on drix?

[heyboxgaminig]

Targeted sombody, they did no target anybody so im guessing VT, no point in saying who as that would help scum. although check my reads for confimation.

[heyboxgaminig]

If anyone has a specific question, I'm around. I won't cow to threats and I won't be giving info dumps in response to vague questions. IAI gets nothing from me because he decided that he should go straight to threats before even trying to play with some civility.

Drixx, if we mis-lynch you, who should we be going after as scum on day 3?

Prodding Zaicon.

Hahaha

But what did you do last night heybox and what results did you get?

Heybox has dodged this question a few times, and I'm not sure way. Please give an answer before the end of day 2 in case you get night killed. Sooner is fine too.

Of the possibilities, it seems that the early BP claim was actually legit.

I really think if heybox was fake claiming then someone would have contested it by now. With that in mind, here are where things stand in my mind:

Stoz - 100% town

Heybox - 90% town (

↑50%

) - Uncontested claim to town tracker

IAI - 85% town (

↑15%

) - previous soft claim to town bulletproof strengthened by Heybox's claim

OkaPoka - 85% town (no change)

Gravity - 55% town (no change) - putting some pressure on Drixx which is good.

Baelish - 45% town (no change) - more wishy-washy "I'd like to get a chance to finish going through the posts". Either new or playing us.

Drixx - 20% town (

↓20%

) - Drixx hasn't responded well to the accusations against him and is pretty much refusing to answer questions on the basis of "it makes the game un-fun for some people". Does not look good.

I would be happy to lynch Drixx, and I think we have a good town "core" in heybox, IAI and Oka.

I answered this in a post 2 mins before this one was made, all fine that you missed it though.

Look the way i see it is that i targeted somebody, that somebody i have made a town read about.

Im not gonna say if that person is a power role or a VT because that would be very good for scum (avoid VT and target another possible power role)

I do not have to say who i targeted due to who I targeted effects my reads on people, if i die all you need to do is check who i find scummy and not scummy and voila! Please note, if i targeted sombody and it said they did not target anybody i would put that reasoning before a "gut feeling" as it is more chance they are town.

[heyboxgaminig]

STOP EVERYBODYS HORSES

[heyboxgaminig]

I am not liking drixes use of bold as pointed out by gravity and stozes use of bold in conversation with drix.

Last time i saw this it was code words used by the scum team to show that either scum was going to self hammer and wanted a vote, or wanted a white knight.

This might just may be me being super carefull but i have seen it happen before.

[heyboxgaminig]

Well I'm dead tonight no matter what so forgive me if I don't add anything unless I notice anything especially scummy

[heyboxgaminig]

Hes talking about drixx

[heyboxgaminig]

Oka poka targeted nobody

[heyboxgaminig]

Perhaps you misunderstood. I said it should be clear reading your slot's posts why I have the scum read on you. It has nothing to do with quantity of posts.

But you just said? what?

I think thislast push on gravity is opportunistic.

Also, when i die, IAI is town. essentially confirmed