Newbie 1674: Fireworks! -- Game Over

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Ika

for being an IC

and for asking obvious questions from me. of course I'm town

Hello newbies! hope you get addicted soon!

[Frozen Angel]

3) What kind of answer do you expect here? I'm town, but I except everyone to say the same. And I wonder, what your answers would be to these questions?

are you nervous?

[Frozen Angel]

3) What kind of answer do you expect here? I'm town, but I except everyone to say the same. And I wonder, what your answers would be to these questions?

are you nervous?

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't?

Ika knows me. I'm an SE. you can see my past games in my wiki - so I already answered that question anyway! I answered my second question in my wiki page as well. I just answered the third one in game.

why you think I didn't answered them?

and why are you nervous? you just confirmed it.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: TurikoB

actually this is a nice place to start I guess.

[Frozen Angel]

Smithereens

wow! Hi your ok?

[Frozen Angel]

I never said that. I said I already answered both questions in my wiki. why are you defending another person?

[Frozen Angel]

Yes, I am aware that you two know eachother, and even you three have some game history between yourselves. So you started with some sort of a head start. I know it isn't much, though. But I want to close this some sort of "information gap", and try to gather some information. That's why I wanted you to answer here. After all, we play in the thread and not on the wiki, aren't we?

well why should I copy paste details of my wiki page here?! that make no sense! don't be lazy if you want meta check its all there.

You are right, that I am nervous. But this isn't the kind of nervousness you expect, I'm not nervous because my role, but because this is my first game. Being silent is a calm strategy, but not the way I'd like to play

In school, I only have time to defend myself or react shortly, so in general, except me to write longer posts in the afternoons.

hmm w8ing for more detail posts from you. how do you feel about ShockZephyr defense of you and Aphix response?

[Frozen Angel]

why do you prefer it?

lol

that's a kind of hard question to answer. manipulation is fun.to me playing scum means manipulation.

But I can always refer back to this if/when I start to feel there might be multiple suspicions around you.

My opinion is that you don't want do bias my lack of experience, but that's only a gut feeling right now, which can change if others can convince me.

I don't like this. You find my post scummy or not scummy. there is no middle ground in mafia. standing in middleground and "I can get back to it" is a scum tell.

(I wonder, is RVS behind us already?)

there is no obvious borders for it. Usually trying to referring back to RVS is another scum tell. scums usually like to stay in RVS and lurk around as they don't like to see the game progressive.

I want shock to answer this first :

why are you defending another person?

and I like what aphix questioned about.

Note : As I think you guys are newbies I'm trying to explain everything 3X. if you need more explanations just ask me

Ika whats your reads so far?

[Frozen Angel]

Imo, it's not a great way of eliciting responses, of course scum are not going to answer in a way that draws bad attention.

So troll answers are a town tell?

are they scum tells?

[Frozen Angel]

Can you please get your self an avatar and share your reads about people so far?

and Welcome to MS

[Frozen Angel]

For crying out loud nobody has called you scum could you calm down?

lets engage! whats you get on Turkio and shock?

what are your current reads?

[Frozen Angel]

Ahix why I feel your kind of on fire?

@Smithreen I asked you specifically about reading others than Aphix ... why your branching back to him?

[Frozen Angel]

I gave my reads about it. Nothing scummy jumps out on me beside your kind of ignoring others and him being so fired up in his recent posts.

I think me myslef made enough posts for you to start engaging with me. but your kind of obsessed with Aphix question on you.

[Frozen Angel]

asking newbies if they were nervous

At least I'm trying to communicate wit them. whats wrong about "asking newbies if their nervous" ?

[Frozen Angel]

Smith are you accusing me that I used burden of proficiency to show some newbies scum?

[Frozen Angel]

So why your not searching for scum?

[Frozen Angel]

So why your not searching for scum?

Reassuring Aphix that he is flatly incorrect =/= not looking for scum.

So if you think Aphix is not scum try other slots ... why your not doing that?

[Frozen Angel]

ok I like to pressure this slot.

VOTE: ShockZephyr

I want to hear more from you please ...

[Frozen Angel]

Why THE FUCK YOU CLAIMED!

you know that's only beneficial for scum right?!

[Frozen Angel]

NO

Because YOU HELPED THEM TO FIND THE REAL PR's .... BY SAYing your not one ....

[Frozen Angel]

But what if I'm scum, huh?

So!

your not a town PR.

You claimed VT

and Your saying you could have done it on purpose?

please lynch this slot right now!

thx

[Frozen Angel]

1) I've played like 5-6 role madness type games off this site, but I've messed around with IRL parlor game Mafia too

this is not newbie ...

[Frozen Angel]

Ok wow. Whole new meta, whole new scene. Now with Terrible Spelling!
Anyway, watch me crack under this tiny amount of pressure. Anyway.

This is not a joke shocky ... you kind of claimed scum there ...

[Frozen Angel]

Maybe you should read my wiki!
/sarcasm

[Frozen Angel]

ok

it seems noob town ...

UNVOTE:

Plus, finding PRs isn't too hard. At minimum there's one town aligned PR. 7 town, so it's a 1/7 chance.

this is shit. we need to try to save our PR's don't hand them over to scum ...

[Frozen Angel]

w8 smith is in L1 ?

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't say to hand them over now did I? I said, by RNG, PRs aren't too hard to locate, even in the hardest cases.

read this game. and see how scum found our tracker in day 2

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=63853

[Frozen Angel]

So please re write your cases against Smith everyone why you think she is scum ?

[Frozen Angel]

No you need to make a case against smith because you put her in l1 and someone can lol hammer her now ...

[Frozen Angel]

Don't want to tbh. Gut feeling. D1 and I love hammers

[Frozen Angel]

Give me a good reason to unvote besides "too early"

you need to give reasons for voting not un voting .... *shrugs*

[Frozen Angel]

Ok what?

[Frozen Angel]

Ok what?

Just "Ok"

Ok then ...

[Frozen Angel]

use vote code

Code: Select all

[vote]the name[/vote]

whats your reads on Smithren and the wagoners?

[Frozen Angel]

Why exactly am I on there twice?

well the names in right (which are followed with a : and a number) are the wagons
and the names in left part (separated by ,) are the wagoners.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Bandwagon

smithereen: She just seems to play the game so far how you would play it independantly of whether or not you are scum, so no read.

and just an advise. looking for intractions and pre flip associations is not a good way for scum hunting. you better focus on the players individually. at least in day 1.

pedit : there is nothing to be ashamed of.

[Frozen Angel]

and I'm not english myself so welcome to the club

[Frozen Angel]

Spoiler: irrelevance

Secret! lol

[Frozen Angel]

no lynch will gain nothing for town , so I think lynching is preferable.

[Frozen Angel]

I didn't ask anyones role, just if i have a way of finding out the exact setup used, which is also info that town wants not just scum.
And you didn't answer the other question, which was directed towards you.

don't talk about setup or your role please. Its just awfull!

please accept this and move on! we can discuss it when some flips happened or people claimed ... Now its just role fishing and that's pretty much scummy

[Frozen Angel]

Play with the knowledge there are 2 scums and they need to die! just that, ...

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Frozen Angel

I like this!

why?

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen.....

Why are you trolling now

Matrix 6 setup is randomly chosen to be made. Unless if your scum or a PR there is no real way to deduct what the setup it

My only troll post was the one which i indicated I liked his vote right after I told him he should give reasons for his votes...

which I find very scummy

[Frozen Angel]

Because you're kinda tryharding on gaining town cred. And that seems scummish to me.

lol , read my meta.

Ika knows I'm a hard tryer! and I'm a hard tryer to catch scum no giving myself town cred ...

[Frozen Angel]

lol , read my meta.

Nah

Ok

[Frozen Angel]

I'm seeing a townie being too confused. Scumplay isn't as analytical.

and people you called this guy a newbie!

[Frozen Angel]

welcome new guys

I'll be here later

sorry for absense

[Frozen Angel]

IKa ANY READS?

your just bushing around man ...

[Frozen Angel]

@FA What is your current read on torik? And why do you hold this read?

I'm kind of angry he is kind of vanished ...

my point about the way he started the game stands. slight scum lean

[Frozen Angel]

Aphix is like the only person I like in this game so far ...

political posts are nice as well. I hate false delima's we can lynch anyone. why should we focus on these slots? this post of him was the place I started liking his posts

[Frozen Angel]

Then lynch me.

VOTE: Shocky

its enough your passed the scummy point to a new diversion

1 - claiming VT and making doubt that your a scum [ when I was considering you a newbie VT]
2 - acting like noobs then showing as a fearless gladiator
3 - puting people in L1 without claiming - Its like if I wasn't calling it , you were waiting for a lolhammer , becuase you were testing the waters before unvote
4 - You unvoted him - voted me for no reason - then voted back on him when you relized town mentality is not following you
5 - You ask people to lynch you
6 - your bringing self meta on the table ...

I can't handle this aymore

[Frozen Angel]

Playing against win condition is ban worthy

you can't be town dear

[Frozen Angel]

Nah bc when I turn town it'll point fingers towards those who I think are scum.

Btw, you're a huge hypocrite FA.

lol , read my meta.

Ika knows I'm a hard tryer! and I'm a hard tryer to catch scum no giving myself town cred ...

Your a huge hypocrite man!

Your claiming to be a newbie and a full armed experienced player in the same time ...

I'm catching scum

you look like scum

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not claiming newbie? I said this meta is new. I can't play in main games or I would. If you think I'm scum, you aren't thinking very hard. I know it's easier to think I'm scum than odd playing town but Occam's Razor isn't always right.

Make a case against someone

A decent one

No more naked votes

and Unvote yourself - its kind of stupid ...

[Frozen Angel]

conclusion : DO ANYTHING TOWNISH

and I might reconsider

[Frozen Angel]

No. I'm scum, why would I do anything townish?

Also LOL @ you saying I haven't been scumhunting. What was I doing with Que then? Playing hopscotch?

Summarize your case on him in one post. Don't troll...

[Frozen Angel]

Also @ your 'read' on me:

thast a quiet misrepresentation

I already made my 6 points case on you

it has more points now

7 - you as town played against your wincon by voting yourself
8 - your claiming scum in your everyshitty post
9 - YOUR SO MUCH ANNOYING
10 - YOUR MASTERFUL case is pure BS

[Frozen Angel]

I just really hope that both the scum aren't SEs.

MAKE A CASE

stop making noise ...

[Frozen Angel]

You said its a gut read. their using same language

That make them both scum?!

[Frozen Angel]

took some time this AM to read

vote shockzephyr

w8 a min this was an official vote?

[Frozen Angel]

if it was you can't unvote ... !

[Frozen Angel]

See learn!

YOU AS Town shouldn't ever self vote...

so are you town or scum?

[Frozen Angel]

[Frozen Angel]

This case against me is BS

thx for bringing all of them up again
- early interaction with tukio is my way of scum hunting - and you will be impressed if you read 1 or 2 games of mine
- yeah because he was acting like newbie
- only if smith is mafia. you know she was mafia?
- I gave them your blind?
- I was thinking about it. My vote is on him atm. you vote for all you find scum ?
- yeah,(?!) because he acted like experienced people - its a part of my case against him ?! are you reading
- How about looking at my posts and reading my reads?
- lol ?!
- I was testing shocky making him beleived he got hammered and he should just out himself if he is scum , which is a very very powerful way to hunt scum - You have no idea do you?

at any point of this game if I find out QQ is scum I will lynch you both in a heartbeat.

thx for this info BTW

now who is more scummier? shocky or you ? ... still deciding

[Frozen Angel]

they were completly in order! arrgh ok :

- "early interactions with turiko were not scum hunting, more like bullying" : early interaction with tukio is my way of scum hunting - and you will be impressed if you read 1 or 2 games of mine

- "161 - explicitly states that shock isn’t a newbie" : yeah because he was acting like newbie

- "181 - “lol-hammers” are the boogiemen of mafia" : only if smith is mafia. you know she was mafia?
plus I can't point you to games scum lol hammered. A lot -

- " 197 - what are your reads?" : I gave them your blind?

- " 219 - its scummy yet you dont vote?" : I was thinking about it. My vote is on him atm. you vote for all you find scum [immediately] ?

- "238 - you called him newbtown! now he is experienced again" : yeah,(?!) because he acted like experienced people - its a part of my case against him ?! are you reading

- "334 - again, how about giving your reads? " : How about looking at my posts and reading my reads?

- " 337 - finally decides to vote shocky, right “in the butter” I believe it is called" : lol ?! [I wrote a decent case about him. are you blind?!]

- "378 and 381 - you know this wasn't an official vote yet you talked to shockyzephyr like it was. "are you town or scum" lol. I just "lol-hammered" yet you brush it off. Not even a mention of it being a bad play or a scummy move or anything. " : I was testing shocky making him beleived he got hammered and he should just out himself if he is scum , which is a very very powerful way to hunt scum - You have no idea do you?

and I must state I didn't understood the wold boogiemen I retract what I said about you and smith slot

[Frozen Angel]

I've bolded your responses where I THINK they were supposed to go. Is this right? If you were purposely trying to make it confusing, I do apologize.

Don't talk to me right that

Don't FUCKING TALK TO ME LIKE THAT

WHO DO you think you are?

[Frozen Angel]

If you were purposely trying to make it confusing, I do apologize.

I left the games for less than this

This is insulting my Perception and Conscience and I really can't stand such a thing

Talk like a decent human being please

[Frozen Angel]

early interactions with turiko were not scumhunting, more like bullying

- early interaction with tukio is my way of scum hunting - and you will be impressed if you read 1 or 2 games of mine

And what were the results of said "scumhunting"?

pointing to post 335

161 - explicitly states that shock isn’t a newbie
174 - now calls shock newb-town

- yeah because he was acting like newbie

When you say "acting" do you mean like playing a role? like she planned her responses as to appear newbie?

Because he started to play like experienced one later on ...

181 - “lol-hammers” are the boogiemen of mafia

- only if smith is mafia. you know she was mafia?

know I get it, that was copied and pasted from my notes. wasn't mean to be alignment-indicative

197 - what are your reads?

- I gave them your blind?

apparently so, could your point them out for me?

Sure in my next post I will summarize them

219 - its scummy yet you dont vote?

- I was thinking about it. My vote is on him atm. you vote for all you find scum ?

So even though you found something "really scummy" you had to continue to think about it? You weren't voting anybody at the time. 4 of your 6 points from 337 had occurred by that point.

I was struggling to accept this move as someone new to this setup , and looking him as a troll town or a bad scum

238 - you called him newbtown! now he is experienced again

- yeah,(?!) because he acted like experienced people - its a part of my case against him ?! are you reading

your post implies that it was EVERYBODY ELSE calling him a newb. so at this point he still wasn't scummy enough to vote?

I voted him once but I unvoted to think more. He was scummy enough to vote . maybe to scummy for a vote. I wanted to look again at the facts

334 - again, how about giving your reads?

- How about looking at my posts and reading my reads?

prior to 335 and 336 I don't see any real reads yet you were asking for other people's reads as early as 31

I already said my reads on nearly all the slots. its just so shattered apart in my Iso. you can ask if you have any concerns but I will summarize them in next post

337 - finally decides to vote shocky, right “in the butter” I believe it is called

- lol ?!

you know exactly what I mean. You found him "really scummy" yet you wait until Aphix started the wagon 222, olha joined it 263 before placing your vote right in the middle where people are less likely to look for scum.

378 and 381 - you know this wasn't an official vote yet you talked to shockyzephyr like it was. "are you town or scum" lol. I just "lol-hammered" yet you brush it off. Not even a mention of it being a bad play or a scummy move or anything.

- I was testing shocky making him beleived he got hammered and he should just out himself if he is scum , which is a very very powerful way to hunt scum - You have no idea do you?

So you expect the guy that was "acting like noobs then showing as a fearless gladiator" to just tell you his alignment and role? how did that work out for you?

I already saw troll scums do that. A lot ... fake hammers are a very convincing way of hunt scums I can show you examples. looking at shocky he believed it there and unvoted himself but didn't told his alignment so its null. He didn't done a town reaction or a scum one and my test kind of failed here

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fastposted while I was putting this together....

I've bolded your responses where I THINK they were supposed to go. Is this right? If you were purposely trying to make it confusing, I do apologize.

Don't talk to me right that

Don't FUCKING TALK TO ME LIKE THAT

WHO DO you think you are?

If you were purposely trying to make it confusing, I do apologize.

I left the games for less than this

This is insulting my Perception and Conscience and I really can't stand such a thing

Talk like a decent human being please

putting the game aside for a second... i hope you can accept my sincere apologies if that was offensive to you. My intention was never to insult you as person. Please believe that.

I accept this apology. I think I had a long day. no offense taken

[Frozen Angel]

TurikoB : slight scum lean
Political Clout (andreasgan) : like the recent posts - slight town lean
OlhaQueCoisaMaisLinda (Smithereens) : I have a bad feeling about this slot and her early intractions with Aphix - she seemd o force on Aphix as i started questioning her - null slight scum lean
Karnage (Alita) : well your actually one of the little people in game who posted something I can consider try for scum hunt - slight town lean
weisnix (BadAtThisGame) : his little posts seemd like newbie town - town lean
ShockZephyr : scum - already explained enough
aphix (SE) : town lean - I like the view of him to this game - to soon to decide that but he is fairly active and scum hunting
ika (IC) : null. I want to see his reads. I want to see his posts to start sorting him. Thats why I'm asking this a lot

[Frozen Angel]

town reads on apix, frozen

scum read on olha still, done nothign to change my read on that

can you a bit more co oprative here? how can I interact with you with an empty read list

[Frozen Angel]

I like my shocky votes.

last pages felt like tvt

[Frozen Angel]

You want me to do what?

I already explained my reads on him



whats the accusation?

[Frozen Angel]

she's definitely scum.

FUCK OFF MATE

[Frozen Angel]

Why would it be too soon to decide something in your reads? Or too soon to think someone is town? This is what actually probably makes her scum with aphix because he's the only reason she shows uncertainty on. She wants to make sure that if everyone else starts scum reading her scum buddy she can change direction on him.

too soon to say if he is a town or scum lean he was null

you don't have null reads?

[Frozen Angel]

Your gonna be like the 16th people in MS who tried to sort me out by my emotions and failed.

adding you to list as well

[Frozen Angel]

yeah basically all of them

[Frozen Angel]

Your gonna be like the 16th people in MS who tried to sort me out by my emotions and failed.

adding you to list as well

You mean.. other people have made mistakes before?

This concept just blows my mind. How could a whole 15 people made a mistake when they read you? Or mistakenly read the wrong emotion from you?

Also.
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Huh? You're scum reading aphix and then they become indignant and suddenly they're town??? Talk to me about this to rude to be scum. I'm certain there has to be more to it than that. If not papa bless.

This is close to how aphix should have responded. You're null-town

Make a logical case against me. consider my emotions as null

[Frozen Angel]

This concept just blows my mind. How could a whole 15 people made a mistake when they read you? Or mistakenly read the wrong emotion from you?

for the record I have the names

Your voting me because you think I had no emotions in posting that post?!

The fuck?!

I was happy with my vote. I thought the unvote was null

and he is scum

[Frozen Angel]

is there any questions you want me to answer for or am I your definitely scum - wo your going to blindly vote till I get night killed ?

[Frozen Angel]

oh first i must respond to your most stupid accusation : I'm not fucking scum hunting? This is how I scum hunt . you have a problem with that? deal with it. I gave my read lists and all the fucking things I done are in my Iso

I'm always putting my votes when I feel thats the best place for it to be. shocky is the best place for it to be.

my emotional reaction ............. Yeah its like 1000th time I'm scumreaded for that. do your homework please... my wiki has all my games. first read the header. I'm generally over reactionary. thats not a scum tell on me unfortunate for you

I never defended aphix. I just felt he is town. thats a different matter. your trying to catch me as scum based on a preflip accusation? nicly done brother

I pushed him harder after he claimed he can be scum for that, are you blind?! read my case against him

my fight with turkio lasted like 5 posts or something and I moved on to read others .... lasted to long?! all of it happened in less than 24 hours if I'm recalling it right ... TOO LONG

I have no fear of an aphix lynch thats a stupid accusation

Your accusing me that I'm buddying aphix and voting me - not aphix

so your scum reading aphix. and becuase of him your suspecting me

thats just hilarious you know? I never buddied Aphix

Can you present the case I tried to stop a lynch on him?

can You show me what the fuck are you talking about ?

[Frozen Angel]

Shock is also likely town. She's my third strongest town read.

this you need to explain

[Frozen Angel]

for the record : that time that i said the response is in my wiki there was only : "i prefer to be a mafia player" there

I started to enjoy - or at least try to enjoy my town games as well so both of them are there now

[Frozen Angel]

Shock is also likely town. She's my third strongest town read.

this you need to explain

and when I mean to explain you need to explain all the case i wrote against him

why is he town

[Frozen Angel]

its d1. and I was kind of semi vla in mid game. after that i pressured shocky

I never gave a full read on aphix. what the hell are you talking about?

And the fuck I want to see why your accusing me to be someones scum buddy without seeing a flipp. thats so damn fucking scummy

No. I'm not a manipulative. I'm me. I'm town. you must feel bad for reading me as scum - as I said to Ika alrady in a pv chat - Everyone calls me a freak. so hell with it. If you see me as a manipulative person , thats on you.

I gave my reads - answers - posts - everything. I'm not foe with you or karnage. what implied that? I'm just my self can't accept accusations - over reactionary me.

You don't have a clue about my personality. so don't try to show you do.

if you have an actual case or response to my answers I will answer them again

please don't make this personal

[Frozen Angel]

And there is another thing ,,,

Well

Ad it seems I have lots of problems with dealing with all my 11 ongoing games and i just signed up for a large themed game - which I really like to be a part of

so I must

/ask for replace out

and please don't scum read this slot

because its town. If I didn't scum read well , thats on me not this slot

gl town

[Frozen Angel]

arrgh bold

/Ask for replace out

[Frozen Angel]

I really hope you don't hate me after the game for this. I'm doing my best to not offend people and still play the game. It's a hard line to achieve in a game where everyone is so vulnerable and raw. And it can be hard for me not to be too sensitive when I'm vulnerable so I would imagine other people have this problem as well.

I will hate you if you think I'm hating you.

[Frozen Angel]

As mod still didn't counted my request

533 is hellish scummy .... he is kind of claiming scum! (a good lynch - give a potential scum free day - ....) point is THIS IS COMPLETE OMGUS

So if I think you're one of my favorite people on the site?

lol, really?!

[Frozen Angel]

PEdit: yep. You're very open and don't seem afraid to share. Also dota is awesome and anyone else who likes it is instant friend

thx , I liked the instant friend style!

[Frozen Angel]

Please do not post after you have requested replacement ~insanity

[Frozen Angel]

You have no idea how bad I felt when you stoped pressuring my slot becuase of my replace out

I think I sent a massage to insanity about my method for replacing out from my games. It was totally random and completly unrelated to my alignment. for example I replaced out from word sneak and another game which I were town in at the same time. And I was really busy then , Really Busy!

RC knows why

I couldn't play it ... I'm so sorry.

eagle I wasn't playing this game I have no idea how you pinned me and my scum buddy , I'm looking after you oO