Newbie 1674: Fireworks! -- Game Over

[ika]

VOTE: frozen angel for being a replacement.

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IC Introduction:

Hello everyone. My name is ika and I am your IC for this game. IC is a bit of humor, standing for Inexperience Challenged. The IC is a volunteer position served by experienced players who wish to help newer folks have an enjoyable experience in their first games, and to help teach some of the basics of the game and answer any questions of mafia game theory which may arise. There are also SE players in the game, which means that they have played a certain number of games including at least one outside of the Road to Rome. SEs are not obligated to answer questions, nor are they obligated to answer honestly should they choose to answer any questions.

The IC position is not at all indicative of role or alignment, so anything I say about mafia theory talk is outside of my alignment. While some things are not absolute, I will not lie about what i personally think if the question at hand is a subjective thing

Please be aware that while I shall not lie to you in my role as IC about theory, you should consider me just as likely as any other player in the game to be on the scum team. While I will not lie about theory talk. What i say about players alignments and reads and everything in between can be a subjective thing based on my role and/or alignment

There is plenty of time in each day phase, so be sure to discuss things with the rest of the players, ask questions, respond to questions from others, and check back in as often as you have the time. An active game is a great deal more fun than an inactive one.

Please do remember to keep things civil. I myself has been known in the past to get very aggressive as a player. However i alwasy try to keep it within the realm of the game. Do not bring personal stuff in here to try to gain an advantage. Its one thing to say you have RL issues, its another to think you are being attacked for your RL issues. Likewise do not question a person RL situation

[ika]

So i also like to start with some questions to get the ball rolling:

1) how experienced are you with mafia?
2) Would you rather be town or scum and why?
3) are you town?

I myself will be heading out shortly to take someone to work. I am normally able to check the thread 2/3 times a day when I work so I am quite active as a player to answer and respond

[ika]

Nice. Frozen is town.

I'm about to head to sleep so this gets priority tomorrow afternoon when I get off work

[ika]

yes. to elaboraate on my fast town read is that frozen is scum hunting a player that has pinged her.

Sorry for absence as well i have had a lot of work

[ika]

1) how experienced are you with mafia?
2) Would you rather be town or scum and why?
3) are you town?

oh and to answer my own.

1) i have a little over 3 years over a lot of sites.
2) contrary to popular belief, i would rather be scum
3) yes

[ika]

smitherines why did you decide to answer the 3rd question in a trolling manner?

[ika]

Turkio why are you so wordy about such things?

[ika]

smitherines answer seems overexpalintory

like its a partial "yes everyone is going to say they are town or troll answer" but dunno its weak i know but it just pings me

[ika]

Or are they null tells? That questionnaire seems useless to me.

Most questions that are asked that have a set response (ie are you town) do have the "yes im town" response and is null. However sometimes players (scums) feel like they need to overcompensate the answer and find a justification to it. One thing i have learned in mafia after 3 years of it is that scums have a sense of guilt or self awareness to themselves where they will sometimes say something different then their townselfs

Basicly what i see from smitheriness is a soft deflecting of jsut theory talk and not really answer it. I mean he is right that it is subjective to the user themselves and that its open for interpretation but again. MPOV (my point of view) feels like its scum atm so i am continuing to poke him every now and then.

I mean, the thing is, why does one need to have this thought out answer to such an obvious question?

[ika]

I don't like to think i am aware of your doings as well as you are aware of mine. If you think you know my doings more power to you but for me (especially on a day 1). I don't look very deep thinking level yet

[ika]

simiterines why are you so hell bent on something so irrelevant? like i really i already admitted it that it is null overall and open to the user themselves. So what are you going off on?

Apix moves up to town and andreas is null-scum

[ika]

right that's the thing that bothers me, you feel super over-explanatory about everything.

[ika]

i guess what im asking and it might of been answered is why do you feel a need to explain everything so much.

[ika]

hi andrea. can you elaborate on on why you would vote aphix?

[ika]

VOTE: smiterines

I'm about to head to work so I'll be around tonight

[ika]

No go ahead and explain it to me

[ika]

I would like to even here where I called aphix town. I'm at work but I got 30 to watch and talk.

[ika]

im waiting on smiterines to fill in the peices. Like this is a newbie so while i can understand the "withhold info" game. it is not ideal play for newbies

[ika]

Sigh.....

[ika]

Sigh.....

I get the feeling we're like squealing children to you. So do tell us what's on your mind.

Have you ever considered what your doing is very anti town and that while I think your fights are TvT to a point that i would gladly lynch you for your play?

[ika]

Frozen.....

Why are you trolling now

Matrix 6 setup is randomly chosen to be made. Unless if your scum or a PR there is no real way to deduct what the setup it

[ika]

I could answer that but that gives you an out to copy mine. So counter question is do you have one?

[ika]

ill check this tonight

[ika]

Why are his reads bad, im kinda in agreewment with aphix here actualy

[ika]

town reads on apix, frozen

scum read on olha still, done nothign to change my read on that

[ika]

sorry Rl has taken ahold of me as of late so I have not been able to give this proper time.

[ika]

ok nvm he did not but i will quote them and explain

Spoiler: quotes

No. I'm scum, why would I do anything townish?

Well, he and I are in the scumchat together so

But no. He and Aphix came after me together, using similar language, and then he's going for this Super Newbie Townie look, but I guess it's just a gut feeling to me.

The first one is allowed to claim scum for WIFOM tactic and potentially be leashed in certain setups, the later is near borderline rule breaking, claiming to be scum with someone (joking or not and regardless of alignment) can be brought up as a mod killable offence. I know most mods are lenient about it in an RVS format or something of the sort. But there can be cases where a slot can be modkilled.

[ika]

wow karnage has nothing in his iso.....

i would lynch that in a heartbeat as well

zepher reads to em as town, bad play overall but town.

[ika]

Frozen I gave reads

[ika]

are you voteing me yet? if not your talk is not being backed up

@frozen sorry i have been out most of the day

[ika]

sill retain my scum read on you

[ika]

omg we got EE

HEY MAN!

[ika]

btw before i forget about this

self voting as town before an l-1/hammer (well self voting as town at all) is very anti town play. Scums sometimes do it to hammer themselfs to shut discussion short. Most times its only under when they have a guilty results on them

[ika]

why is fa scum EE?

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im still waiting on like a case on me outside of my inactivity like your repeating what smiterines said (the you should be town reading me argument) and i see 0 reasons to think otherwise

[ika]

ur problem is not inactivity

an sich

Ur problem is parking ur BS vote/scum read on me w/o doing ANY other scumhutning w/oever or contributing even slightly

i can quote myself where i have asked others and given out other reads as well as another i would lynch.

So would you like to iso me and quote me and show why every post i have made does not do that?

[ika]

well shes town right now so you need to revualte the POE, but i cna join you

VOTE: karny

help me lynch Olha tommorw instead if this si scum

[ika]

Ya im kinda in in the place where we had more then enough time.

most commonly all games have diffrent deadline basis, it is ideal to try to consolidate on a lynch around this time IMO so there is not a deadline rush

[ika]

All of those are very weak reasons......

Like the read on FA elaborate why that makes me scum cus i mena anyone can do that.

andreas was null-scum for the "sure" response. it sounds like hes saying "ya im not town but lets say i am"

the last one is jsut me saying "well i was wrong about where i misremembered" so....

like i sittl dont get how any of those really warrent a scum lean/read at all

[ika]

-snip-
It's not a real strong case, I agree. That's why I said "leaning scum" instead of calling you flat out scum.

I don't like your read on FA because I don't think you can get a town read on such a small sample size.

what did you mean when you said "it was a null-tell" in 66?

You can, i can link a game that went 9 pages where we town read each other in a matter of 3, it wasn't with frozen but it can show you that it can be done

the overall thing about that i was saying is that objectively its null what ppl answer the questions, but realistically they all have a reason for responding and it can be anything from town motivation to PR motivation to sucm motivation

So

Woul U B w/ me on an IKA pressure? Which I prefre to presuring u.

And did ur 'want 2 see how people react' thin give u any reactions worth analyzeing?

I was expecting our SE's and our IC, if they were town, to have a much more negative reaction to it than they did

Ill say this cus its me, being a person who has played for 3 years and knows a lot of tricks wont react to things as much

[ika]

im just gonna drop this link for you to see how easy it can be.

i mean what your comparing has value but does not change the end product:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=62595

[ika]

im just gonna drop this link for you to see how easy it can be.

i mean what your comparing has value but does not change the end product:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=62595

Are you referring to Idiot Savant calling frogger town on the first page? because it couldn't have been a strong read because by page 3 they read him as "meh"

you realzie that the slot was a hydra and that bellaphant also did posting. You should also see how fast my read progress on several slots. its jsut to show you what i did with FA is not unusual for me at least to so with ppl

[ika]

What question did i miss?

[ika]

Also carnage the proper spoiler format you want is like this

Code: Select all

[spoiler=info here][/spoiler]

your end results are this

Spoiler: info here

hello there i am an IC

[ika]

1. Which do you prefer to play as, scum or town? You might have answered these earlier, but I might have forgotten and don't care to look back.

2. If the other one of you flips town tomorrow, what is the first thing you post ( and for the purposes of this question there is no night kill)

1) i have already said i have preference for scum, if you want why i can do that too

2) prob some IC banter about the nk flip

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2. ok. who do you push? ignore the fact that there was no nk.

i would wait to see how ppl react first to the fact theres no nk.

like asking me how im going to react based on a set thing is not going to help at all mostly cus i work on the fly

[ika]

Like i would jsut go back to pushing who i was pushing before or iso myself to find my reads. I very rarely actually do an rereading overnights so anything i had porb would be forgotten

[ika]

EE care to tell my why im scum in POE and how everyone else is town using quotes and citations

[ika]

and if you have jsut give me post numbers

[ika]

you realzie that the slot was a hydra and that bellaphant also did posting. You should also see how fast my read progress on several slots. its jsut to show you what i did with FA is not unusual for me at least to so with ppl

I did realize it was a hydra, looks like bellaphant was inconsisten with signing his posts so it's hard to tell whose thoughts where whose. Even if they had a strong town read there is no proof that whatever metrics they used for determining town where accurate, they could have just been lucky. It would take a lot more than one game to prove anything.

thanks for the tip re: spoiler tags btw

Its called experince and knowing a player.

Anti/TTH/frogger i have played with a lot so i can mostly tell them on intuitions now

[ika]

Sigh.....

[ika]

would it suprise you EE if i was considering wanting to lynch you todya?

[ika]

like how you are acting towards the game and me (considering you think im scum) doesnt seem to follow a town mindset

[ika]

to clarify: your trying to appease me and you still have a scum read on my slot it seems to be contradictory stances no?

[ika]

Not really, the stances you take contradict FMPOV.

*shrugs*

[ika]

Not really, the stances you take contradict FMPOV.

*shrugs*

Which stances do I take that contradict each other?

The stance that im scum and then turning around and trying to get me to lynch someone.

did you ever show me why everyone else is town and why we are POE? i know i asked that a while back

btw: VOTE: EE

[ika]

well when you do that first we can talk proper cus right now i think your POE is jsut a sly attempt to make scum reads

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about what i jsut finished up stuff i was busy with so i got time

[ika]

to answer your 596 its what i think and what i feel. so i dunno what your expecting. your slot is still scum

[ika]

Read it again, your missing the after part where i said "to a point"

it does not mean at any time did i fully consider him a town read

[ika]

*shrugs*

I have nothing left to say then. All I can say is that it's my playstyle and how i am

[ika]

calls me active lurker

looks at post count........

ya i think im not an active lurker be far....

*shrugs*

[ika]

^ definition of active lurking *shrugs harder*

Care to explain it cus i have had plenty of post that had contents

*shrugs more*

[ika]

ya my read are not chianging at this juncture.

sucms are in EE/absinthe and maybe dier?

like i see this being two town lycnhes and that sucms are jsut coasting on this now...

[ika]

what games of mine did you check

[ika]

Im here for deadline right now, this is also a good time for this

When deadline comes around its is a good time to start announcing when you can and can not be around due to the timecrunch.

Also with this if anyone is on l-1 make sure you give intent and let them claim if possible

[ika]

Why karnage I read him as strong town

[ika]

Well, I guess that I'll wait and see who else shows up in the next few hours and then decide what to do with my vote.

Preference with regard to leading wagons is Karnage > hasta > aphix

I think you know mine but I'll put it out there anyways

Aphix>karnage>hasta

Why karnage I read him as strong town

Read his predecessor.

Also how do you get town out of him?

arguing about a predactor is a stawman argument and you know that. I read it as town based on how they were.

Urge to vote Ika again is rising.

You've done nothing to help figure out what lynches are feasible, starting with not talking about which wagon(s) you'd support.

Vote me then. my vote is who i want lycnhed

[ika]

*shrugs*

i just disagree on it.

i have had nothing going for this game and have neevr felt anythign that made me happy for this game cus everyone jsut seems to be in their own headspace to me so call ym demoralized or apathetic but it seems like nobody is even coming clse to agreeing with me so im kinda at a point of why should i even try to argue or convince?

*shrugs again*

[ika]

So i forgot this existed for a bit.....

Im gonna go read absines iso and see who she suspected

[ika]

VOTE: EE

im just going back to this, no lynch is ten times better then lynching a twon read IMO

[ika]

EE why should i even consider sheeping you when you have been suspecting me all game?

like did that read suddenly change?

[ika]

Also ika I say this as a friend, play the game or get out. I think I'm pretty obv town if you look and your mental absence makes me sad. Play the game, friend, youre anti town right now.

PEdit: you're crazy. You're still stuck on that? I'm not certain you're scum. I never was. I said it was between you and karnage. I don't know. And I don't know that for sure. Both of y'all responded like fucking egotistical idiots instead of thinking through things and tbh it pisses me off.

The problem i have with you man is that i dont understand the mindset of you. like the whole "i think your scum but i want to work with you" thins is what rubs me wrong

it could entirely be playstyle but i jsut think how you are playing is jsut scum in general

[ika]

Sigh.......

[ika]

What's this about? It's getting exhausting having you not play ... Isn't this pretty much the opposite of what an IC is supposed to do? Do you have thoughts on the game?

Its about nobody trying to make a town bloc or a set town core....

I mean i dont reallyhave any thought onthe game other then i still way to lynch EE who has not done anythign to make me think hes town

I just got home so let me settle and i might be able to figure stuff

[ika]

I'm going to be honest. If this doesn't happen. You need to be lynched.

ok

The fact is you keep promising over and over again, and haven't delivered, and I find it hard to believe you started out the game upset that no one is forming a town bloc and playing the way you want to play, and honestly I had one IC who admitted post game to lurking, because it was a legitimate tactic, and I'm starting to get that feel here, it may not be alignment indicative, but it just honestly shouldn't happen.

3 things in this:
1) the quote you have does not have me promising to do anything its saying "i might" so dont twist words
2) yes thats a legit tactic and no i do not endorse it but *shrugs*
3) thats not what im upset about at all for the entirety of the game it should of been done here in day 2 or near day 1. not at the start

Here is where I'd insert some inspirational shit to hopefully rally you to come back and play, but I'm not that sort of person. So hopefully I don't end up calling you a bag of *insert body parts here* because of your play later.

i can tell

[ika]

He's town, I think. Just a stubborn anti-town town.

what happened to the scum read on me?

[ika]

The big thing aphix is that right now this is more of a standrad mafia game then a real newbie game.

Like its one thing if the newbies were asking me stuff but you can clealry see that most of them replaced out alread

*shrugs*

nobody is giving me opinions on why EE is town or anything of the sort so i have nothing to add here. Like the big problem is that everyone is kind ain their own bubble about things so i am kinda left in the dust

[ika]

aphix you realize most of your attacks also are more on me and my slot as its an IC and not me?

[ika]

Well considering this is my first ICing.......

*shrugs*

[ika]

I have given my reason. i think his mindset and how hes aproaching the game is not town so.......

im foucsed on one person at a time, i think karnage is town so i ginore him

[ika]

Not only that but policy lynching on day 2 in newbie leads right to Lylo the next day....

[ika]

wow 1050 reeks of terribleness

VOTE: scourge

like didnt your realier post say the same exact thing no less

[ika]

in a small game like this i sould actualy consider them to be scond voter but congradulations on trying to thorw shades on me

[ika]

scourge/EE team....

calling it now

[ika]

Scourge you could just vote Ee instead

[ika]

you prob multi quoted so it continues to post...

im waiting for your vote on me as well....

and you kinda answered your own question to me with my quotes

[ika]

The main question was "could you talk more about your read on Scourge" and I definitely do not feel that your quotes answer that question. I guess that this last post does imply an answer.

VOTE: ika

What is there to ask about? It's Poe at this point

[ika]

he CR, check my gender below me.

im a he

[ika]

EE could you just hammer? I feel like theres not much to add after CR fully catches up and its clear its me or her today

[ika]

i got prodded

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would it be too far of a strectch for EE and CR to be scum buddies figuing out who to waogn?

[ika]

VOTE: EE

[ika]

im gonna post tommorow tonight im out

[ika]

if its doc they should claim cus that has a double clear

if its BP they could claim but then optimal is to lynch

[ika]

sigh....

[ika]

Why think her Mafia for this when there are so many other good reasons to do so?

I AM A MALE GET THE DAMN GENDER RIGHT

[ika]

@aphix (why do I keep @ing?)
If I accept that Eagle is mafia as a priori, then the order of likely scumpartners is:
Ika (75%) > Dierfire (15%) > aphix (5%) = karnage (5%)

plz tell me more

[ika]

Can you please participate Ika.

i am i want EE lynched

[ika]

GG alll

this was my first IC game so it was terrible yes. IM not exusing it nor do i plan on being IC again for a while