Newbie 1671 - Game Over (Scum win)

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm in.

We're in a situation where there's nearly a guaranteed scum between Kuroi and Pignash.

No one else votes until I'm caught up please.

[RadiantCowbells]

While I catch up:

Tictac, Camn, who do you think is scum, and why?
Who is their partner, and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

At page 10 if I had to make a guess it'd be Camn / Pignash.

I'm still catcihng up but need to take a break atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Not so sure about Pignash/Kuroi but definitely leaning towards Camn being scum at the moment.

[RadiantCowbells]

ugh Sarg was kinda obvtown.

This irritates me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hello!

So, first things first... its late, I've been drinking, and I was at a Nine-Inch-Nails vibe party... which got me really amped.. which is the only reason I'm still awake. But I managed to read the stuff and get some basic understanding of things.
Second- I have been out of the game for quite some time now.. so please lower your expectations if you see my join date!

Third, my reads. I won't go into the WHY of it right now.. .cuz typos.. and I need bed soon.

OBVTOWN

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Plotinus

-- From the very start he has reeked of town. It will literally freeze my brain off if he flips scum. I ran out of room on my notepad for all of the reasons he is town. Which is lucky for us, cuz IC.
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tictac

-- His entry was so strong, and all of page 11 dripped with townie goodness.

PROBtown

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Raskonlikov

-- Not as crushing as the above, but I literally found nothing to hate on first read.
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franska

-- This is only a mild read- I had a little scumping once, but mostly town.

NULL reads

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pignash

-- I though maybe Jake was doing a little buddying with the IC, but the rest of this slot was meh.. so I dont know. There is a thing with sarge tho- this could be a scumslot. Will explain further down.
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Kuroi

-- I have mixed read here. Selfvotes are scummy appeals to emotion.. but it was an accident? Post 289 was scummy, but 279 reeked town. So null.

SCUMREADS

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PhantomCobalt

-- His early play I HATED so much. And his later play. Hate it. I have seen this kind of play many many times, and it is always scummy to me. People argue that it is not indicitave of alignment, but in a newbie I think it totally IS. It is play that DOESN'T show the town who you are. And why play like that? Because you are scum. Or because you are protecting your meta, which is rich for a newbie, thus I conclude scum here. HOWEVER... a sarge/pignash scumteam may trump this.. please read on.
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SARGE

-- Scummy at every turn, although I will need to reread, obv. My biggest scumpings are as follows: 1st off.. No-Lynch benefits scum. in 329 he is floating the idea of the town losing its only real strength. There is no town motivation to this. Second: posts 316 and 314 are scumslips, I think. In 314 pignash lays out an ISO on Franska, who is likely town, with the following statement:

No like. Plan on voting Frank right now, Plotinus is up next.

Frank only had 2 votes on him.. classic scum equivocation. TWO POSTS LATER Sarge pulls the same move. Sarge had just DROPPED his vote from frank... now is saying:

So far overall, Franksa is at the top of my list.

Again- classic scum! You know what scum want? A mislynch WITHOUT either of them actually being on the wagon.
So, did Sarge and Pignash coordinate in this so-called daytalk? Is Sarge just sheeping pignash? I dont know, but I dont like it. Actually, now that I type this- move pignash down to the scum section. I think a pig/sarge scumteam plus Phantom/craptown makes the most sense.

VOTE: SARG338

This has 5 different major scumtells.

[RadiantCowbells]

How the hell did this crossvote thing go down?

I mean, seriously.

[RadiantCowbells]

Unvote now. both of you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to ignore the '1v1' and lynch Camn today, if that's good with you all.

[RadiantCowbells]

But Pignash, I'm not making excuses for your lack of content again.

Continue this and I'll just lynch you and hope I was right the first time.

[RadiantCowbells]

Replacing in at p35 is plenty of fun.

I'm all about the replace in life, at page 27 so far.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright fine.

Any scumteam without Pignash on it can win this.

VOTE: Pignash

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

eh

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm going to die tonight.

I need more time.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Tictac is mafia he will kill me because I'm most likely to throw a wrench in whatever plan he has for 3 way LyLo.

I die tonight. cease discussion.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pignash, you're claiming that Camn is you biggest scumread, but you are currently voting Xuroi. Why?
Camn, you think that both are scum but you're pushing Xuroi. Why?

Tictac, can you talk to me about why you're scumreading Xuroi?

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I don't know him outside of the game, okay Xurio?

[RadiantCowbells]

I notice that you're taking my replace in and townreading you at face value, Xurio.

You don't think that I could be scum white knighting/bussing? Why?

[RadiantCowbells]

OK Xurio.

Rephrase that first and last sentence please. Me no comprende.

[RadiantCowbells]

And the second one crosses a line that you should be able to figure out.

I highly suggest you PM the mod to remove it.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't (won't) explain why it's a problem.

I'll PM Jackal if you won't, but it has to go.

[RadiantCowbells]

If the OMGUS/OMGYS is relevant to you, then the reason why I use OMGYS makes the grammar relevant.

If you're going to go into semantics like this, go all the way with it.

Already ceded on the issue of spelling. That was never the main point.
Don't see why you would fall back on points already won if it isn't to make the argument more annoying to camn.

hey you.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thoughts on my replace in?

Why you scumreading Xurio?

Don't you find it a little off how Pignash and Camn both have each other as their primary FoSes but are pushing elsewhere?

[RadiantCowbells]

I've read the full game.

I won't be getting to anything.

[RadiantCowbells]

Thoughts on my replace in?

Why you scumreading Xurio?

Don't you find it a little off how Pignash and Camn both have each other as their primary FoSes but are pushing elsewhere?

At first I was joking. Now I'm getting a wee bit annoyed. Please make an attempt at spelling Kuroi right.

Also tictac, I don't care what looks townie and what didn't. I took the vote off of pignash because of I was going through his meta since his response to my vote forced me to go through his meta. I seriously thought you knew this. We've been going around in circles quite a bit.

BTW, how did pignash defend me in voting Sarg? I wasn't anywhere close to being lynched.

Sorry Kurio, was just making a joke. It was intentional if you hadn't realized.

[RadiantCowbells]

KUROI.

That was not intentional. mb. got used to the designated misspelling.

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VOTE: Pignash

/shrug

I'm set on Pignash/Camn. If I'm wrong I'm wrong.

My vote's dont change I think.

[RadiantCowbells]

Tictac, if I'm dead and you're alive and town, I want you to seriously consider my reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry if I just lost town the game but /shrug

Unless we can get a Camn flashwagon that's my vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

urgh.

I hate this second guessing.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Camn

Let's get her!

What was the thought here?

How much more I'd want to lynch Camn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright, alright.

But only because I want to save newbie daytalk.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because I think that Kuroi is town atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

/shrug

I don't scumread him because of his D1 play.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, I abhor the way that Camn was sorta egging you on.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have read every single page of this game, I assure you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you're horribly underestimating me.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm positive Camn is scum.
I'm leaning that you're town.

I'm leaning Pignash scum > Kuroi but it's not a strong read.
Hence, me wanting to lynch Camn.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Camn, what's with your obsession over roleblockers anyway?

[RadiantCowbells]

Camn is clearly either maf who knows that they have a roleblocker or doctor.

I'm going to go ahead and out that and ask her to hardclaim now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well.
Pignash greatly irritates me and I have no desire to lose to him as scum again when he never plays a game that deserves a win.
I think he's scummy AF in general as well.
I also think Camn is scum, near 100%. So it's not Pignash/Kuroi I don't think.
So it's not that I'm townreading Kuroi, it's that, well, only one of Pignash and Kuroi is scum and I'm leaning that it's Kuroi atm.

And voting at the top of the day is way more anti-town than scummy.
I also have to consider whether it's possible that you or Camn asked him to do it to enable a bus.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm too exhausted for read and explanation given atm.

Can all 4 of you give as much of your thoughts on the gamestate as possible?

[RadiantCowbells]

I wasn't thinking about the words.

I'm leaning that you're town over Pignash, yes.

I'm super exhausted yo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nothing's happening for a while then till I see more out of Camn and her bff Pignash.

I'm going to nap.

[RadiantCowbells]

can I persuade you to give us 24 hours of extra time?

[RadiantCowbells]

Need to speak to Camn and Pignash before I continue.

Bite me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lurking and not producing content is not a strategy I will ever respect, even if it beats me occasionally.

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I don't mean to attack you as a person; I fully understand that you have your son to look after and life comes first.

I just have an issue with the fact that I feel Scum!Kuroi deserves the win a lot more than you do at the moment.

Plus I think that you're far more likely to be scum, so there's that.

[RadiantCowbells]

I give people way too much slack in general for lurking / not producing content because I understand that.

But then it really comes back to bite me when the people for whom excuses were made by their lack of content by me end up being scum who just thought they could take advantage of it.

And that bothers me.

[RadiantCowbells]

OK, then talk to me one on one.

Why should I see you as town over Kuroi here?

Why is Camn scum?

[RadiantCowbells]

I consider Camn virtually confirmed scum at this point.

Most of the reason that I want to lynch you over Kuroi comes from her ISO.

Can you explain why she's so insistent on lynching her scumpartner over you?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm wondering what the chances are Camn told Kuroi to do a stupid move like that vote so she could bus him for towncred.

[RadiantCowbells]

Camn definitely feels like the sort of person who would have no reservations having their partner set themselves up to get bussed.

But I don't really see a good reason to townread Pignash either, and it's interesting that, well, Camn is pushing Kuroi over Pignash.

Though it seems like Tictac bought into the Pig/Kuroi theory which makes little sense to me.

Plus, if I were Camn I'd absolutely be pursuing the bus first.

Kuroi did have some towny posts though... so...

I've thought about that and I am not sure. Only thing that really makes sense is overcompensating for kurois bad start to the day. If we end up lynching him we are likely in lylo tomorrow with her and she'll need to point at her push on kuroi so she can win there.

That's exactly what I thought actually.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean if she feels like Tictac's inclined to go one to one and she's able to remove me/Franka from the equation, it seems smart to hard push her partner with Tictac, get him lynched as fast as possible, and take the quick win the next day. And like I pointed out earlier, Camn seems to be in a pretty big rush to end the day, which is exactly what I'd be favouring if I were ger as scum (though with either of them as my partners)

So Scum!Kuroi does make sense. But that just sorta sells the Kuroi vote in general regardless of whether it's hitting her partner or not.

[RadiantCowbells]

And rc, I would be ok with a camn lynch, in light of his dodging and overconfidence.

Why can't he get her gender right though.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, you don't need to continue to vote for Kuroi.

VOTE: RC
VOTE: Tictac
VOTE: Pignash
VOTE: Kuroi
VOTE: Camn
UNVOTE:

Can vote whoever you want.
The 1v1 can wait.

[RadiantCowbells]

Theoretically I can force a Camn lynch by threatening to vote both you and Kuroi in turn since you both think that I'm town and that would enable a quickhammer.

I'm just saying, anything can happen.

[RadiantCowbells]

It rids us of a potentially fatal distraction.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm somewhat afraid to lynch in the pair of you because frankly you both belong to a category of player that I'm well aware that I have issues reading.
Camn both because of gender and general playstyle I have no issues reading and can be happy with my read on very quickly.
You two, I really can't commit to anything.

Only way I'd give Camn any out is if she claimed doc to be honest, and I'm not sure I'd believe that claim unless we got a roleblocker flip after.

[RadiantCowbells]

I do read people better in a 1 on 1 situation though so I definitely want to hear from her before I commit to anything.

[RadiantCowbells]

If you can give me a time + time zone that you can be on for a while so we can talk that'd be awesome.

I doubt anything short of you coming up really strong in a one to one talk would cause me to change my read on you.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's a newbie game. I would not do something like that in a newbie game.

That said, we disagree on reads and we're going to have to do something about that sooner or later.

Why are you townreading Camn?

[RadiantCowbells]

I do that as scum as well, particularly in newbie games. No one likes to win games due to apathetic townies.
You know I still consider it >20% likely that you are scum with Camn and slowrolling this game for giggles.

I'm about like

40% Pig/Camn
35% Kuroi/Camn
20% Camn/biger
5% Pig/Kuroi

atm

[RadiantCowbells]

Say what you want, I'd be leaning town on both Kuroi and Pignash if it weren't for the gamestate.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why?

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Lack of quickhammer alone isn't really a reason.

I'm 95% sure they're scum, but not 100%. Maybe they were afraid to quickhammer because Pignash has seen me bait interrupt quickhammer attempts before?

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The game is Radjarok 2, I'm too lazy to look for a link.

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I don't remember.

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I'm here.

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Who was the target of the attempted quickhammer?

Playerlist from that game:
1. BlockyMan*
2. KarmicGuide
3. RadiantCowbells
4. Klingoncelt
5. pignash
6. Dierfire Smudger
7. Ricastle
8. Frozen Angel
9. EspeciallyTheLies ceasor
10. TheCow
11. pisskop

No one quickhammered, actually.
I thought there was 2 scum remaining on one of the later days and repeatedly placed voters to attempt to bait quickhammers.
Like, repeatedly. To several different people.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi camn!

Let's start with this. Why are you pushing for the lynch on lynching Kuroi over Pignash right now?

[RadiantCowbells]

So, you're suggesting that you think that Pignash is the goon and Kuroi is the roleblocker, hence the major push from Kuroi at the start of the day being one sided?
If there's a roleblocker, then there also has to be a doc, no?
And don't you think that Pignash is struggling a little harder than necessary if he was designated to be bussed? why?

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And I GUESS pignash is struggling too much? It didn't really seem that way before you got here though. And TBH- I dont know how much "too much" is. When I am the one getting bussed, I struggle 100%, cuz the more I squirm, the more clear my partner gets. But who knows.

Hey, can you find me any examples of either you being bussed by partners or you bussing your partners in either a planned way or a LyLo situation (so not like jumping on midway through the wagon on an inevitable lynch, something a bit harder)?
There's a few things that I'd like to look for.

Why don't you see scum me playing this way though? Kuroi and Pignash both have claimed to scumread you; if I was scum with one or both I could count on the town one jumping ship and then my buddy could quickhammer. What are you seeing in my play that you find probably coming from town?

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and wasn't a Franksa/Pignash double lurkerscum a big thing for you at the beginning of the day?

[RadiantCowbells]

I could barely find any games where you were scum and I don't recall seeing any bussing.

Hmm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Did you consider that maybe they had Kuroi vote first in order to get the wagon onto Kuroi for voting early?

[RadiantCowbells]

At the time I got a read that was much more like... Kuroi thought it would be a righteous wagon on obvscum... but we didn't react how he expected and he freaked a little. It seemed authentic.

Doesn't this sort of imply that Kuroi is town?

[RadiantCowbells]

tbh there's really one thing holding me back right now.

Why if Kuroi is scum did he make that vote? Scum have daytalk nowadays, wouldn't someone say something to him about how it's not a good idea?

[RadiantCowbells]

You talk like Elbirn :S

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry to hear that. I actually got completely manipulated by a friend who tricked me into leading 2 mislynch wagons while bodyguarding her every night... and she was scum.
Wasn't too happy about the resolution of that, and I definitely considered site quitting. But I got over it.
You should stick around this time! But, I'm still thinking you're scum here though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bussing is trading off a member of your team for towncred.

It's a trade off and like other trade offs you need to be able to assess the value of both of these things.

It's terrifying that RC makes intelligent posts like this and then plays the way he does.

I'm saying you play like a crazy person, but talk about the game like an incredibly smart player

[RadiantCowbells]

Tictac, what's on your mind?

[RadiantCowbells]

Still, I'm at the very least consenting that I will not lynch you today.

I'm sure that if you and Tic were town by this point you'd have gotten cold feet about me switching the lynch over and hammered.

So help me make up my mind between Kuroi and Pig!

[RadiantCowbells]

you and tic were scum by this point*

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE:

Haven't been voting you for a while, but just in case.

[RadiantCowbells]

Camn, I want you to promise me that you're town and you will feel bad if you're lying here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I think some people might find the word promise objectionable.

Say that you're town and that you will feel bad if you're lying here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pignash/Kuroi as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was somewhat townreading the angsty wall of text Pignash put out but then I found this in NY190.

It takes me a while. I am watching my son today so it's not like I can post long walls of text that explain the whole game. Just saying I have read the thread so I don't think saying everyone voting for you is dumb or that my play is embarrassing. I think this is a pretty bald attempt for you to play at our egos to avoid this game turning in towns favor. I'm not buying it.

Which is pretty similar and makes me a lot more reluctant to townread him.

Would explain why Kuroi was so confused by my townread on RC slot.

Uh, okay?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, I've come to the conclusion that Kuroi is far more likely to be your partner at any rate.
The line about struggling when being bussed suggests to me that you are in fact the kind of person who would push for the lynch onto their partner as opposed to the town.
And if it's not you, well, it's Kuroi anyway with Pignash.

Anything more that you want to say to me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Kuroi

*shrug*

If I just hammered town let me know by the way.

[RadiantCowbells]

Pls if you're scum with Pignash just lmk so I can forget about game and go back to getting frustrated with Pignash.

[RadiantCowbells]

obviously if you don't know you don't know or if you're scum with Kuroi just say you don't know or what not.

But if you've won as scum let me know so I can stop rereading.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nah, I'm JK.

Glad I could carry Pignash through this one, it's really frustrating when my partner doesn't post much.

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nah but seriously.

I think this was scum.

Camn's slightly redeemed her slot in my eyes but she'd still be my go to lynch for tomorrow were I to make the choice.

I doubt I will make that choice though.

I've put some serious consideration into TicTac scum but I won't share it because I doubt I can convince anyone to follow it from the grave.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm not good at this explanation thing.

[RadiantCowbells]

The biggest thing, to me, is this.
Camn has been obviously softing the existence of a roleblocker in the setup in a way that a doc wouldn't do without having been kerplunked last night.
Given that they caught Raskol who was far more subtle, I find it nearly impossible to believe that they wouldn't have offed her last night.

I feel like Camn has been setting up for days for a doc claim.
I mean I'll feel awfully dumb if this flips RBer and Camn gets NKed but that's where my head is at.

[RadiantCowbells]

Bunch of other little things as well.

Kuroi intentionally or otherwise getting Camn's pronoun wrong. I mean her avatar is clearly feminine and people call me she constantly. How does Kuroi accidentally screw that up?
Kuroi agreed to vote Camn but then when it looked like it could actually happen he backed down and said he wanted to lynch Pignash. That strikes me as daytalk coaching going on.

I mean, idk. I could be wrong. I could have been wrong on this and town could have already lost. but that's where I'm at.

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait. Am I hammered?

Ehhh... Good game, and sorry we lost, town.

For realsies?

[RadiantCowbells]

To be frank, I still thought it was Camn/Pig, but I didn't feel like fighting TicTac who had been in game forever.

[RadiantCowbells]

You flipped out about me proposing a vote change to Camn and reacted hostile to me voting Pignash both times.

As much as I want to win I don't want to replace into a newbie and strongarm the newbie's reads /shrug

[RadiantCowbells]

I did not feel like I could get through to you.

If this lynch is correct, it's correct.
If not, blame the fact that you threatened to vote me for trying to control the direction of the lynch.

[RadiantCowbells]

Theoretically I can force a Camn lynch by threatening to vote both you and Kuroi in turn since you both think that I'm town and that would enable a quickhammer.

I'm just saying, anything can happen.

I'm gonna nix this in the bud.

Threat tactics only work because people expect a follow-though.

Actual follow-through would be playing against wincon, so a threat like this is either a lie (Lynch all liars) or not against wincon and made by scum.

(An argument could be made that follow-through is not against town-wincon from a-causal perspective, in which case it makes just as much sense for me to precommit to voting anyone making such threats to make them not a valid tactic for scum.
I'd like to keep a-causal tactics out of this game however. It's an unnecessary complication.)

Good thing you were talking theoretically. Do expect a vote from me if you take it into practice thou.

After this I just shrugged and figured you and I were never going to work as a townbloc.

[RadiantCowbells]

Didn't think camn would troll us like this.

Anyone taking a "promise" legitimately here deserved what they got.

Camn was obvscum I stand by that.

Kuroi town or scum, Camn is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm assuming that Kuroi was in fact town.

I'm going to policy lynch Pignash if he's scum here in all future games without any exception.

Not much else to say to you, Tictac, except we probably should not be in the same games.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a way of doing things, for good or bad.
Threatening people to strongarm votes is rather standard LyLo play, especially in shorter games and is a fantastic way of getting reactions out of people and the only one who actually threatened to game throw was you, contrary to your assertions. Does it matter whether I'm willing to vote as long as they believe that I do?
I felt like you were just impossible to work with, so I sheeped your reads. That seems to have been a mistake but we'll find out.
Hopefully we're not both alive tomorrow.

GL.

[RadiantCowbells]

You'll get a different impression of my play if you catch me outside of the Newbie queue.
I would not hesitate to strongarm a Camn lynch anywhere else.
It's quite effective, I assure you.

inb4 Camn town and I look like an idiot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I think from now on I'm policying lurkers.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think you're horribly underestimating me.

GG!

[RadiantCowbells]

Kuroi had several D1 posts that bled attempting to solve the game.

I can find some of them for you.

[RadiantCowbells]

And tictac, there's a saying where I used to play that replacements are almost always a godsend for whichever team that gets them.
You were cherry picked of all the town to be brought to LyLo for a reason.
I was not.
They had control over the set of reads you were bringing to the table, they had no control over mine.
It's something to keep in mind when you get to a late game situation.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like if you make it to LyLo as someone who is not likely to get lynched the first question you should ask yourself is
"why am I here?"

[RadiantCowbells]

Sorry Plot, but I wasn't really feeling so much confidence in my reads and I didn't feel like getting into a huge fight with tictac over the days lynch.

Should have stuck to my guns.

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I just wish I knew how to convince people.

I've never been good at that.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Kuroi played mostly fine.

I still don't understand the case against him.

[RadiantCowbells]

Since Raskol asked, here's a bit about my Camn scumread in this game.

[1:36:41 AM] Tyler Reichert: trust camn was like
[1:36:45 AM] Tyler Reichert: the most blindingly obvscum
[1:37:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: #1 was overexaggerating how townie people who are'nt really super townie are
[1:37:44 AM] Martin "MT": I mean I think I know one of them is about
[1:37:51 AM] Tyler Reichert: #2 was having all major townreads and scumreads being town
[1:37:58 AM] Martin "MT": being overreactionary in his scumread
[1:38:09 AM] Tyler Reichert: oh that's not one of them
[1:38:13 AM] Tyler Reichert: I don't do that shit
[1:38:14 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's too uh
[1:38:17 AM] Tyler Reichert: fallible
[1:38:24 AM] Tyler Reichert: too likely to catch noobs
[1:38:45 AM] Tyler Reichert: #3 was
[1:39:24 AM] Tyler Reichert: the 'change of opinion' at the end which felt incredibly forced and didn't jive with the rest of the post because the pignash section clearly said more later so it means they were written at the same time and didn't relaly make sense
[1:39:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: which meant it felt fake
[1:39:55 AM] Martin "MT": is 4 and 5 a secret
[1:39:58 AM] Tyler Reichert: no
[1:40:00 AM] Tyler Reichert: #4 was
[1:40:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: the like 'storytelling' manner in the line
[1:40:30 AM] Tyler Reichert: Again- classic scum! You know what scum want? A mislynch WITHOUT either of them actually being on the wagon.
[1:40:36 AM] Tyler Reichert: an example of me using this to great effect
[1:40:59 AM] Martin "MT": yeah that was overdramatic
[1:41:38 AM] Tyler Reichert: in
[1:41:38 AM] Tyler Reichert: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=64693
[1:41:46 AM] Tyler Reichert: read how I caught diego
[1:42:21 AM] Martin "MT": wtf
[1:42:25 AM] Tyler Reichert: I'll find it
[1:42:26 AM] Tyler Reichert: and copy paste ti
[1:42:27 AM] Tyler Reichert: yeah
[1:42:43 AM] Martin "MT": I wasn't expecting in-thread explanation
[1:42:45 AM] Tyler Reichert:
This is hyperbolic as fuck. This is scum trying to exaggerate a wagon and push it through. It's clear that Diego's purpose for this post isn't to share information or reads or anything, it's to convince people that he's scum. Diego's conviction that the guy is scum is completely unjustified given anything that has happened in the game and I find the extent of this push absurd and obscene, and I don't believe Town!Diego would do it either; I have some experience with him. I'm fairly sure Diego is scum trying to strongarm a lynch with poor reasoning.
[1:42:46 AM] Martin "MT": wtf is this
[1:42:52 AM] Tyler Reichert: I usually give tons of in thread explanation in newbies
[1:43:51 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's post #130
[1:43:58 AM] Martin "MT": yeah
[1:44:11 AM] Tyler Reichert: and the last was
[1:44:26 AM] Tyler Reichert: oh and back to #4
[1:44:31 AM] Tyler Reichert: another thing about the storytelling manner was the whole
[1:44:42 AM] Tyler Reichert: So, did Sarge and Pignash coordinate in this so-called daytalk? Is Sarge just sheeping pignash? I dont know, but I dont like it. Actually, now that I type this- move pignash down to the scum section. I think a pig/sarge scumteam plus Phantom/craptown makes the most sense.
[1:44:44 AM] Tyler Reichert: like it's pure storytelling
[1:44:54 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's not legitimately scumhunting, it's an attempt to sell people on a story
[1:45:27 AM] Martin "MT": okay
[1:45:39 AM] Tyler Reichert: you DO see stuff like that coming from townies
[1:45:42 AM] Tyler Reichert: but not until they're like
[1:45:44 AM] Tyler Reichert: seriously into a push
[1:45:53 AM] Tyler Reichert: not as a read develops
[1:46:57 AM] Tyler Reichert: #5 is somewhat related but it's about the sarge read
[1:47:02 AM] Tyler Reichert: the sarge read was just like so fucking fake
[1:47:05 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's not like a scumtell per se
[1:47:11 AM] Tyler Reichert: but it was just fakea s fuck and needed a lynch

[RadiantCowbells]

Since Raskol asked, here's a bit about my Camn scumread in this game.

[1:36:41 AM] Tyler Reichert: trust camn was like
[1:36:45 AM] Tyler Reichert: the most blindingly obvscum
[1:37:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: #1 was overexaggerating how townie people who are'nt really super townie are
[1:37:44 AM] Martin "MT": I mean I think I know one of them is about
[1:37:51 AM] Tyler Reichert: #2 was having all major townreads and scumreads being town
[1:37:58 AM] Martin "MT": being overreactionary in his scumread
[1:38:09 AM] Tyler Reichert: oh that's not one of them
[1:38:13 AM] Tyler Reichert: I don't do that shit
[1:38:14 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's too uh
[1:38:17 AM] Tyler Reichert: fallible
[1:38:24 AM] Tyler Reichert: too likely to catch noobs
[1:38:45 AM] Tyler Reichert: #3 was
[1:39:24 AM] Tyler Reichert: the 'change of opinion' at the end which felt incredibly forced and didn't jive with the rest of the post because the pignash section clearly said more later so it means they were written at the same time and didn't relaly make sense
[1:39:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: which meant it felt fake
[1:39:55 AM] Martin "MT": is 4 and 5 a secret
[1:39:58 AM] Tyler Reichert: no
[1:40:00 AM] Tyler Reichert: #4 was
[1:40:29 AM] Tyler Reichert: the like 'storytelling' manner in the line
[1:40:30 AM] Tyler Reichert: Again- classic scum! You know what scum want? A mislynch WITHOUT either of them actually being on the wagon.
[1:40:36 AM] Tyler Reichert: an example of me using this to great effect
[1:40:59 AM] Martin "MT": yeah that was overdramatic
[1:41:38 AM] Tyler Reichert: in
[1:41:38 AM] Tyler Reichert: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=64693
[1:41:46 AM] Tyler Reichert: read how I caught diego
[1:42:21 AM] Martin "MT": wtf
[1:42:25 AM] Tyler Reichert: I'll find it
[1:42:26 AM] Tyler Reichert: and copy paste ti
[1:42:27 AM] Tyler Reichert: yeah
[1:42:43 AM] Martin "MT": I wasn't expecting in-thread explanation
[1:42:45 AM] Tyler Reichert:
This is hyperbolic as fuck. This is scum trying to exaggerate a wagon and push it through. It's clear that Diego's purpose for this post isn't to share information or reads or anything, it's to convince people that he's scum. Diego's conviction that the guy is scum is completely unjustified given anything that has happened in the game and I find the extent of this push absurd and obscene, and I don't believe Town!Diego would do it either; I have some experience with him. I'm fairly sure Diego is scum trying to strongarm a lynch with poor reasoning.
[1:42:46 AM] Martin "MT": wtf is this
[1:42:52 AM] Tyler Reichert: I usually give tons of in thread explanation in newbies
[1:43:51 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's post #130
[1:43:58 AM] Martin "MT": yeah
[1:44:11 AM] Tyler Reichert: and the last was
[1:44:26 AM] Tyler Reichert: oh and back to #4
[1:44:31 AM] Tyler Reichert: another thing about the storytelling manner was the whole
[1:44:42 AM] Tyler Reichert: So, did Sarge and Pignash coordinate in this so-called daytalk? Is Sarge just sheeping pignash? I dont know, but I dont like it. Actually, now that I type this- move pignash down to the scum section. I think a pig/sarge scumteam plus Phantom/craptown makes the most sense.
[1:44:44 AM] Tyler Reichert: like it's pure storytelling
[1:44:54 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's not legitimately scumhunting, it's an attempt to sell people on a story
[1:45:27 AM] Martin "MT": okay
[1:45:39 AM] Tyler Reichert: you DO see stuff like that coming from townies
[1:45:42 AM] Tyler Reichert: but not until they're like
[1:45:44 AM] Tyler Reichert: seriously into a push
[1:45:53 AM] Tyler Reichert: not as a read develops
[1:46:57 AM] Tyler Reichert: #5 is somewhat related but it's about the sarge read
[1:47:02 AM] Tyler Reichert: the sarge read was just like so fucking fake
[1:47:05 AM] Tyler Reichert: it's not like a scumtell per se
[1:47:11 AM] Tyler Reichert: but it was just fakea s fuck and needed a lynch