Newbie 1694 (GAME OVER)

[MURDERCAT]

Chilled, can you explain why you are so sure laser is town? I thought you had a result on him. Also Almost please confirm you are VT/not CCing.

[MURDERCAT]

Gotcha.

[MURDERCAT]

In terms of the options I gave before:
1. scum shot chilled - possible, but why do it on day 2 and not day 1?
2. Glidder jailed target - Laser doesn't make much sense for a night kill
3. Glidder jailed scum - seems the most likely

This coupled with a number of questionable plays (especially the voting yesterday) feels like a pretty damning case.

VOTE: Laser

L-2

Lets let everyone give opinions before going to L-1 I think.

[MURDERCAT]

And the logic oh shooting chilled is? I was thinking chilled as bp since he said I have a feeling I won't be targeted tonight on day 1. I only reconsidered when chilled seemed sure laser was town.

[MURDERCAT]

Well you successfully misled me, but I am still town. Lynch me and then laser or the other way if you prefer. If BBT still thinks you are town then I will believe him meaning laser must be last scum.

[MURDERCAT]

Not sure how I was against mass claim though, I just had an issue with how you went about it.

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah almost I think the Glidder evidence makes laser make more sense than you so I put my vote there.

[MURDERCAT]

UNVOTE:

Wtf

[MURDERCAT]

Uhhhh imma wait for BBT

[MURDERCAT]

This game just got a lot harder.

[MURDERCAT]

I assume we are lynching today? No reason to wait, correct?

[MURDERCAT]

I don't really see the point but if you want to we can. I wouldn't respond to everything if we are going to NL though.

[MURDERCAT]

That's basically my thought process too chilled

[MURDERCAT]

AtE

[MURDERCAT]

And I wanted to get off that town wagon but he self hammered (or course I did want to lynch the jailer but whatever...)

[MURDERCAT]

I'd encourage you to reread through everything, almost and shadow don't look like they are voting together, they keep their distance. Also the fact that I unvoted yesterday while almost quick hammered says something. And the fact that almost consistently ignored tracker all game. And that I would never have pushed for shadow as hard as I did if I were scum because if you had been lynched then shadow was next.

[MURDERCAT]

I pointed out all the points in this game almost ignored the possibility of there being a tracker in that big post I did.

[MURDERCAT]

1049

[MURDERCAT]

I don't see why glidder would lie?

[MURDERCAT]

crap uh gotta type fast

yep knew chileld was bp from the start, the predecessor made it kinda obvious. because of this i do not reallyt approve of the plan to jail him just to conftown him even further, but since rb goes before jk

i'll be doing it anyway

, because there are two situations:

1. chilled is bp. scum is rb. if scum has half a neuron i do not have a night action, and tomorrow will be 4p mylo. chilled is conftown, bbt is prettymuch basically conftown, scunm is in the other two.
2. chilled is scum. there is no bp, and thus no rb. jailing chilled means no kill guaranteed, we have 5p. lynch either nurdercat or a50, jail chilled again. repeat until town core of [glidder,bbt] remains.

[MURDERCAT]

You're going to have to build a case against me that's stronger than the one against almost.

[MURDERCAT]

I highly suggest you reread the game again. The only scummy thing I did was push you instead of shadow. I had a bad read, I'll admit that. But look at everything I've done and everything almost has done and tell me I'm scum and not him. Remember that he pushed you instead of shadow as well but he kept his options open while doing it because he knew shadow was going down sooner or later.

[MURDERCAT]

And read that post I had about almost, there's so much scummy stuff in there. And FFS he quick hammered laser yesterday.

[MURDERCAT]

1.1: MC, Shadow, and Almost are not together
1.2: MC, Shadow, and Almost are not together
1.3: Almost and MC together on RagnorokX, Shadow off
1.4: MC, Shadow, and Almost together on RagnorokX
1.5: Shadow and Almost together on RagnorokX, MC off

1.6: Almost and Shadow together on Replace, MC off

1.7: Almost and Shadow together on Glidder, MC off
1.8: Almost, Shadow, and MC together on Glidder
1.9: Almost, Shadow, and MC together on Glidder
1.10: Almost, Shadow, and MC together on Glidder
1.11: Almost, Shadow, and MC together on Glidder
1.12: Almost and Shadow together on Glidder, MC off
1.13: Almost and MC together on Glidder, Shadow off
1.14: Almost and MC together on Glidder, Shadow off
1.15: Almost and MC together on Glidder, Shadow off
1.16: MC, Shadow, and Almost are not together
1.17: MC, Shadow, and Almost are not together
1.18: MC and Almost together on Replace, Shadow off
1.19: MC and Almost together on Replace, Shadow off

1.20: MC and Almost together on Replace, Shadow off (LYNCH)

On day 1 there's no wagon they were on that I wasn't part of at some point (although admittedly I joined the replace wagon much later).

[MURDERCAT]

Is no one taking the tracker thing seriously? I honestly think that's the most damning.

[MURDERCAT]

Haha I was just about to say that I was about to cross vote if you guys are sure the other is town and we aren't no lynching. I put a vote to L-2 yesterday and shit went to hell so I'm being a bit more deliberate. I am sure that almost is scum.

[MURDERCAT]

So after Night one I am pretty sure that there is scum in {Madonna, Shadow}.

Madonna posts this:

I am bone-tired, so I am not going to trawl through the game for backup here.

The more I look at it the more it looks like a frame job on Shadow/Laser. I'm leaning for a Glidder-Madonna/MURDERCAT team, but I'm not casting a vote until everybody has posted their views.

Was your Day 1 read of Mr Glidder independent from your Replace in? Because the latter's flip does not seem to have affected your stance that he belongs on the scum team.

Okay, I am interchangeable with Mr Glidder because I think you are probscum; I can live with that. I hope your reason for scumreading me is a good one versus using the same reasoning for both Mr Glidder and I.

I do not recall you scumreading MURDERCAT yesterday. Is this one of your unspecified reads where someone was just giving themselves away while you smugly did no actual scumhunting?

Eat me and swing.

VOTE: Almost50

I was not scum reading almost at this point and I thought it was strange how hard she was scum reading him (along with other points that made me suspicious of madonna which I talked about later). Then she says:

I could be persuaded to vote Shadow Dancer if more people are aboard, but other than mentioning it now, I would like to wait while he warms up that fog machine of his which puts out vague accusations.

Which read to me like lets see if there is any interest in a shadow wagon, maybe I can push that instead of almost.

So I make this post to see if Madonna was willing to jump off almost and on to shadow if there is some support or if almost is a genuine read:

Ok so I’m rereading and now I’m feeling pretty iffy about Shadow. This is partly due to gut and partly due to PoE, but here’s what I’m seeing:

-His Madonna case feels forced as if he doesn’t actually want to scum hunt but doesn’t want to be accused of not scum hunting. Also seems like it could have been used to get off a Glidder wagon with momentum (which he later rejoined once the pressure was on replace).
-Didn’t engage with replace at all. Why wouldn’t town attempt to work with replace? I think Replace had a point there.
-He stayed off the Replace wagon but he was still an active member.
-Replace and Ghostwheel were looking at Shadow and I think ghostwheel would have gone after him today.
-I don’t like the “thanks scum” post above at all.

Right now I don’t think there’s enough info on Glidder to have a strong read (i.e. why I think he would have been a good day 1 lynch). I need to see more from him. Too bad replace self-hammered or we could have lynched Glidder, but what’s done is done. I don’t think Shadow and Glidder are scum team, but I’m as suspicious of Glidder as I am of Shadow (for reasons I've stated already).

VOTE: Shadow Dancer

I’ll keep my other reads to myself for now unless explicitly asked.

The goal here was to sort which of Shadow and Madonna is scum. If Madonna is scum then I would expect her to jump onto the shadow pressure and ignore almost as he was being townread by a lot of people. If town, I would expect a more reserved response with some focus still on almost. Additionally, I get to see shadow's reaction as well, although that was a secondary goal. I was mostly just reaction testing Madonna. As I said, I tried to post crumbs because I knew it would look strange attacking Shadow then backing off quickly. Maybe they aren't great crumbs but I really couldn't think of a better way to do it:

I was afraid people wouldn't believe that's what I was doing so I left crumbs.

Spoiler: Crumbs

Ok so I’m rereading and now I’m feeling pretty iffy about Shadow. This is partly due to gut and partly due to PoE, but here’s what I’m seeing:

-His Madonna case feels forced as if he doesn’t actually want to scum hunt but doesn’t want to be accused of not scum hunting. Also seems like it could have been used to get off a Glidder wagon with momentum (which he later rejoined once the pressure was on replace).
-Didn’t engage with replace at all. Why wouldn’t town attempt to work with replace? I think Replace had a point there.
-He stayed off the Replace wagon but he was still an active member.
-Replace and Ghostwheel were looking at Shadow and I think ghostwheel would have gone after him today.
-I don’t like the “thanks scum” post above at all.

Right now I don’t think there’s enough info on Glidder to have a strong read (i.e. why I think he would have been a good day 1 lynch). I need to see more from him. Too bad replace self-hammered or we could have lynched Glidder, but what’s done is done. I don’t think Shadow and Glidder are scum team, but I’m as suspicious of Glidder as I am of Shadow (for reasons I've stated already).

VOTE: Shadow Dancer

I’ll keep my other reads to myself for now unless explicitly asked.

@Chilledtea
To explain myself I'm using two numbers - scum likelihood and read confidence. Scum likelihood is how likely I think that person is scum (everyone starts at chance -- 25%). Read confidence is how willing I am to change that read based on new information.


Yesterday, I had about a 60% scum read on Glidder with 25% confidence. Shadow was basically null/lean town (20% scum) with 50% confidence. Now that I know that Ghostwheel and Replace are town I can reread their interactions with/opinions on Shadow with that knowledge. This leads me to about a 40% scum read on Shadow with 50% confidence. Yesterday I was very tolerant of a low confidence read because at worst a mislynch means we remove a player we have little info on going into day 2. The upside is that we don't let potential scum lurk. Today the downside of mislynching Glidder is that we are headed to lylo, which is of course dangerous. This changes the cost benefit and makes me a lot less likely to be comfortable with lynching a low confidence read. If it were deadline right now I would probably still lynch Glidder because having someone we have little info on in lylo is really scary. Luckily, we aren't in lylo and

I can push a new read I have

and hope more information comes in on Glidder.

Like I said, part of the reason I'm looking closely is PoE.

I just don't think Madonna is scum

.

Also how are my reads floaty? I've been on Glidder since a few pages in. My RTF read changed the same time you did. I don't think I've pushed anything else particularly hard until now (it was day 1 after all).

It was all useless after the replace out anyway, but I really didn't think that BBT's catchup posts were genuine. I never even had a strong town read on shadow, I just thought that BBT looked bad.

[MURDERCAT]

There is no point in no lynching now. The only thing that happens is that CT dies and we're left in the same position.

Right, but then you were looking at chilled so I wanted that to be cleared up. I wasn't ready to place a vote in Mylo until it was clear that we were lynching between almost and myself.

VOTE: Almost

[MURDERCAT]

Honestly it's just wifom which one of you would die. Does scum take out the person scum reading them or the other person in order to frame.

[MURDERCAT]

They are the things in bold. I mentioned the fact that I had other reads, that I was pushing a new lead, and then I mentioned Madonna specifically. If you look at the context bringing up Madonna looks a little out of place.

[MURDERCAT]

Almost if your vote is more than just a guess at this point you should probably go ahead and build a case against me.

[MURDERCAT]

I'll comment on everything in a few hours.

[MURDERCAT]

almost and shadow don't look like they are voting together, they keep their distance.

I'd encourage YOU to reread through everything. Here's ONE example of me "keeping my distance" with Shadow:

However, Shadow sees what I see (with the exception of him putting Madonna closer to a scum read), and his reads seem logical and consistent with mine starting from the Turtle attempt to eat a bullet for the town incident to the read on Raisus to suspecting Glidder & Replace In.

If we have similar reads we're likely to share the same alignment

, so Shadow is leaning town in my book.

I agree with the bold at least.

And the fact that almost consistently ignored tracker all game. And that I would never have pushed for shadow as hard as I did if I were scum because if you had been lynched then shadow was next.

Yes, and you would have earned town cred for early scum reading him.

But I didn't scum read him. I town read him. Something scum wouldn't do as hard as I did.

Now, let's start from the very beginning: Turtle says he might claim as early as post #10. I discourage him on #11, and as he argues I further explain why it shouldn't be done on #17.

Then you come in and claim you hadn't read a thing and place a vote on him in #23 (which was actually the second on him). Interestingly he (Turtle) had also voted Shadow in #18. So, you came in.. hadn't read anything.. and managed to spot on land your vote on the player voting the flipped Mafia AND soft claiming investigative! How convenient.

I already explained this to replace, I skimmed, saw he was voting me, and decided to vote him for it. I also say RTF was legitimately voting him. I made it clear I wasn't voting him for the same reason as RTF, I was still in RVS mode.

Not just that, but Shadow switches his vote to you over what you yourself called an "OMGUS RVS" vote. To me that's a silly reason to vote someone and it was never going to stick, but it will appear on the VC analysis none-the-less.

This is silly and you know it. Shadow was just trying to look like he was doing something.

Then you see an "opening" for a mislynch on Rag so you squeeze through it in #47. (3rd slot: THIRD SLOT <<<<)

Lots of people were on this wagon and there was a legitimate reason to pressure.

In #53 you state "We should wait for the replacement to come through also.", so why didn't you unvote then? What's the point of keeping your vote on someone you didn't intend to lynch??

This is evidence that you aren't reading through the game trying to figure out what's going on. You are just trying to build a case on me to save yourself. I was talking about the WhiskeyBuffalo slot, which is obvious if you read.

Then you decide to unvote only in #96. WHY?? I'll tell you why:Madonna had voted Raisus, and Glidder put a 2nd vote on him, so you decided you're "Not liking these posts from @Raisus at all."

See above. At this point it was clear that Rag was being replaced so I unvoted, as stated.

In #102 you ask Shadow for his read on Raisus, and you ask ME too in #119. Where you testing the waters?? I slammed the door shut on that approach and you started backing off.

You both had not provided reads and I wanted content out of you.

Now check this out:

[Why] were [you] so cautious in your RVS vote?

My thought process was 1. Find someone to RVS vote until I can actually read and contribute. 2. MT voted me, I guess I'll vote for him. 3. Better make sure he isn't at L-1 or something weird. 4. Oh hey people are actually voting for MT, I'll just clarify this is just an RVS vote.

I won't even comment except with your original post:

OMGUS VOTE: vote: Mafiaturtle.

This is still RVS for me,

haven't read yet just getting a vote out.

Do you see anything funny at all???

This is the best you have? I skimmed, but had not read. I also explained this to replace.

[MURDERCAT]

MC:

Yes, I DID quick hammer Laser. So what?? The guy voted himself FGS! It was bad play! PERIOD! I was so frustrated I hammered him and congratulated chilled. It was one dumb process of claiming that went on (rather than those either me, chilled or even Laser had proposed) and then Laser voted himself too!!

You lynched to get to mylo. There is no reason to quick lynch there. Being frustrated would not lead to a quick hammer. That is silly. The emotion you should have felt was confusion, which is what I felt. Confusion leads to the unvote. It was clear that Laser had forgotten roleblocker and that he was probably town.

@CT:

See above!

There were three people on your wagon - shadow, Mc, almost.

Shadow persued your wagon because he was the alternative.
MC/Almost contains that one town member who felt that you were scum.

You think MC would blatantly try to save shadow and lynch you as scum when he was already in hot soup regarding his alignment? No one had any reason to listen to him - I feel like scum would take the wait and see approach like almost did.

Ok, chilled.. seriously... don't you think you went deep into conf!bias mode there?? MC and Almost were on the wagon, so it doesn't make sense that MC is Shadows scum, but it does that Almost is!!!!!

It's about how you pushed and how I pushed.

Inconsistent emotions point towards posturing I would assume.

No they actually point towards EMOTIONAL MODES. I was utterly frustrated by both how the claim process went and how Laser acted. Today I've cooled off and have the intention to try my best to win the game for the town. Don't forget I told Laser it was not his fault, but we ALL played a bad game, so I want to make up for my numerous mistakes.

Frankly, if we do lose I'd put half the blame on you and half on myself. We were supposed to do MUCH better together (having been continuously playing together for the past few games). The fact we both correctly town read eachother right from the start, yet have failed to bring in the win yet IS bad in itself. To add that we both turned on eachother and scum read eachother at the end is even more frustrating. If only you had followed my plan you would have been confirmed beyond doubt in my eyes (even with that dismal chance of you fake claiming and getting lucky).

P.S. I now know you're town bc Glidder did say he will jail you, so don't confuse what happened on the previosu day with my current stance.

AtE

I am sure that almost is scum.

You swear on your grand grandfather's grave??

Chilled is clear and I can't see BBT being scum and you've had a lot of scummy actions so sure.

Hmm.....bbt can we lynch almost? I feel pretty sure of it being almost.

LOL. OK.. for the last time: I PROMISE I'm NOT scum in this game. Go back and read our own previous games together. Do you remember the one we played with PK as the mod?? Do .. erm.. never mind the others (if you know what I mean)

Just go ahead and take a look. You know what?? Do a VC analysis on them too if that would/should help.

AtE. See also: BBT's sig

there is ton that MC has done this game that counts as being scummy. But so has almost.

*Giggle*
Now when did I NOT act scummy in any of our previous games?? Was I scum in ANY of them though??

Like I said earlier "Don't worry if I'm scummy guys it's just a trick."

For eg, as town he wouldn't hammer laser ever

No? Well, regardless of how this game ends .. please remind me to run a few games of mine past you sometime. Mate, I'd hammer myself as town if I'm frustrated enough! (Yes, it's bad play, and yes I did blame Replace In for doing it, but it's sometimes so frustrating you'd just go BOOM!)

His hammer on laser was opportunistic.

It came when laser was on L-1

, when MC had removed his vote and when

he had explicity said that he doesn't like laser's lynch.

Oh, shit! If you really think I'm THAT stupid, then by all means LYNCH ME! I mean, I don't really care that much (Read: I do care, but not THAT much) about winning/losing one single game, but the above logic hurts. I think I would rather be mislynched outright that being thought of as extremely dumb.

You aren't actually arguing against the points against you.

Almost tried to be subtle about his steering the lynch towards you. Throughtout day 2 you will notice he tries to clear out shadow as town. This is especially true after I stated that I am scum reading shadow.

Once again I have to draw your attention to that conf!bias you're using. MC defends Shadow = he can't be scum with Shadow. Almost defends Shadow = he IS Shadow's partner and is trying to subtly steer the lynch off him. *Sigh*

Already explained that it's about HOW shadow was defended. You are pushing shadow for town all game, I only thought that BBT was scum.

There was a time I would've argued my scum game was utter crap and I would have proven it with reference. Right now though that would be an outright lie. My scum game has much improved and if I wanted to be truthful I would argue that it would've been MUCH better than this, because I would have actually known how to use the info I would have had at my disposal.

For example: Would you care to explain why scum!Me would not have shot you on N1? I was fully convinced you WERE the investigative. When I said your predecessor was trying to eat a bullet

I didn't actually believe it myself

. In fact, I was trying to eat a bullet for you (go back and reread how it went, and how you said you were going to be NK'd and I responded with something like "you wanna bet??"). Read back when you painted me as a PR and I made that Russian Roulette comment (confirming I was a PR rather than shrugging it off). It's TOWN!ME and YOU KNOW IT. I would ALWAYS try to eat a bullet or even eat the rope in a PR's stead. (I guess I won't be doing that much in the foreseen future though, bc quite a few people are starting to see through that gambit).

We are supposed to believe that you didn't think chilled was BP? It's clear you had at least considered the possibility and after what chilled said on day 1 about not being targeted it was clear that he was bp if you are the roleblocker. And why not make the same gambit as scum?

[MURDERCAT]

Oh, and I said "if I was the cop" but I really meant "if I was ANY investigative role". A Tracker in this setup is very much a cop with only one scum left. A JK is one if a kill still goes through.

I hope I satisfied your curiosity

here's another quote that proves MC correct. I did indeed forget Tracker all game long!

If you look at the post where I talked about you forgetting tracker, you will see that I give you credit for remembering it when you did.

[MURDERCAT]

To me, D1 scum hunt is over, and I have a Glidder-Replace duo for the scum team. All I need now is a flip of either to confirm the other.

And that -of course- is the best way for scum to NOT get any attention!

You are playing like you do as town. If you played very differently it would be noticed immediately by the people who played with you before.

[MURDERCAT]

You are aware that even if I (or any other experienced player, for that matter) were partners with Raisus, there would be no day talk available to tutor him.

No, I wasn't. It's been a long time since I played a beginner's game here. Still, that makes Raisus a confirmed townie in my eyes. Thanks for the gentle reminder.

OK. This must've been my worst scum slip! Thanks "partner" for correcting me!

I commented about how this was a very likely play that you would make as scum with shadow.

[MURDERCAT]

The naive assumption that "information will just come in either way" is prone to failure.

So what are you proposing? I've done my homework and came to a conclusion and want to test it's validity. How am I to do that now?

And this -of course- is Shadow lecturing his buddy in public once more! Or maybe it was his way of distancing?!

Yes and then he lets you off the hook with a gentle, 'Keep scum hunting, you're doing great!'

[MURDERCAT]

Mate; you only joined the Replace In wagon 3 and a half hours ago. Only you, I, Ghosted and chilled posted during that time (and chilled already had his vote on Replace In). Let's wait for the others to come back and post. My vote would NOT be the hammer. It'd only be the 3rd of 5 needed for the lynch.

Why was as resisting the move back to Replace In?? It must've been bc Shadow was on it?? (Except he wasn't! It was just chilled & Laser at that time! I believe Shadow was on Madonna.)

You can't cite town things you've done as evidence you are town unless it is extremely unlikely to have come from scum. Scum is trying to look like town.

[MURDERCAT]

Why I prefer a Glidder lynch: Both him and Replace In are at the same level of scumminess to me. However, Glidder is the more experienced one and thus should be held more responsible for his actions in my view.

It also doesn't help that MURDERCAT switched to Replace In and tried to pressure me into doing the same prematurely,

Notice who was trying to pressure whom?? I WAS scum reading Replace at that time alright, but I also didn't trust MC. Does this hint that

I

am the scum of the Almost-MC pair??

I remember I called this post out when you made it, it's completely unclear where you are accusing me of pressuring you. I was not pressuring you.

[MURDERCAT]

Just in case someone hammers and the day ends before I come back: IF (big IF though) either of Replace In/Glidder flips town, please don't vote too fast on D2 until everybody has come online and had time to post. Even if you had a claim from someone that you can't counter yourself, please give everybody else a chance to post their input (and -maybe- counterclaim).

And here I'm blowing off any chance for me and my scum partner to get a false claim in the open and get us to LyLo. Even if CC'd (while we both were globally town read) it would have resulted in the lynch of the REAL PR before the fake one, and we would have still went into LyLo regardless. But NO! Instead I'm closing the door wide shut for us to even think of using that tactic.

This is getting ridiculous. These are all posts that could easily come from scum trying to look like town.

[MURDERCAT]

And now: How about a good lesson in the distancing technique?

@Murder: Why do you consider yourself a bad pairing with Glidder? Actually, why are you even bringing this up, as you surely know your own alignment at the very least?

Because I was all over Glidder yesterday? I bring it up because it means if chilled trusts that pool you must be scum. And I said I was saying that objectively, obviously I know my alignment.

Now if MC flips scum he was throwing dirt on Shadow, and if Shadow flipped (and he did) he was painting doubts on MC.

GOOD JOB! (For real)

Or shadow is poking me to look like he's scum hunting? I don't see how this is evidence of me being scum.

[MURDERCAT]

And this post clearly came from a mind set that knew exactly what setup we were playing. It even proves I knew all along that chilled was actually BP and -yet- I explicitly said I crumbed protective myself (!!!)

WARNING: The following is STRICTLY HYPOTHETICAL, and is in no way, shape or form to be taken as a claim or even a hint of someone's role.

The way I see it Madonna is dying to break the setup. Theoretically speaking; Mafiaturtle (now chilled) crumbed investigative (Cop or JK), and I crumbed protective (Doc or BP). The thing is she doesn't know if it's JK + BP (in which case she could shoot the JK, while shooting the BP will result in a no kill) or Cop + Doc (in which case the Cop is protected so the Doc must die first).

This uncertainty lead her to shoot someone else. Shooting Shadow would've been traced back directly to her, and so would have been the case with Laser. She only had MURDERCAT, Glidder & Ghost to choose from, and in my mind Glidder is her scum partner, so it was either Ghost or MURDERCAT.

Scum always start with the advantage of knowing more than the town. Turning the table on them IS my game, and I'm happy to keep you in the dark while I work on your case.

VOTE: Madonna <<== Lookie here.. OMGUS.. you can use that to keep your vote on me all day long.

I already explained why this logic fails. As scum, your goal is to look town. So you did this to look town because this is something you would do as town.

[MURDERCAT]

That's 85% Madonna is scum, 65% Glidder is, 25% MURDERCAT, 15% Shadow & 5% for any other combination, NOT including Laser and/or chilled, and another 5% for combinations that have one (or both) of them.

Regardless of my -obviously- stinking reads all over, I still had Laser & CT as my top two reads that I was never ready to consider lynching!!!!

But that changes when there's an opportunity to get to mylo with a quick lynch, huh?

[MURDERCAT]

MC, I want to know how you felt that glidder was probably a PR.

There's a post I made on Day 1 in response to Ghost putting Glidder at L-1 that was basically "maybe he was laying low because he is PR so don't make him claim." At this point I was still scum reading him though. But when Shadow flips I know that glidder probably wasn't his scum buddy so I was thinking he might be town. Plus Almost claims VT which means he's not the PR (which I thought previously). So Glidder now looks a lot more like a PR laying low.

[MURDERCAT]

Sorry for walling, almost started it

[MURDERCAT]

I'm town, GG guys.

[MURDERCAT]

BBT if you are scum...

[MURDERCAT]

Not trolling

[MURDERCAT]

Sweet. GG Almost, you and shadow played well.

[MURDERCAT]

BBT, what specifically convinced you?

[MURDERCAT]

Haha I'd quote the PM but I think it's still not allowed I swear I'm Vt, no troll.

[MURDERCAT]

I was just curious if all of my posts mattered haha. I figured it was CT's case.

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Honestly that's pretty incredible.

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You troll BBT

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I'm not even mad. Ok no I'm a little mad lol. Sorry chilled you were in an impossible position.

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Thanks to shaddowez for modding!

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I need to see the scum chat. Also dead chat to see if literally anybody called that. What a sick game. I was a little bit suspicious on day 1 too but that double bus sold me. I'm in awe haha. Also sorry almost.

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Yeah no lynch just delays it.

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Yeah I dropped any idea of you being scum when shadow flipped because the main point I had against you was that your reads didn't adjust. But one of those was shadow and he was scum so that didn't really make sense any more.

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I can't believe town almost quick hammered laser. You must have enjoyed the last few days lol.

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Were you around when laser was hammered?

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I didn't even think twice about that slip.

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I wonder if shadow would have won if we had lynched you on day 2 instead. It was such a good play I think he probably would have been able to win as well.

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I take my share of the blame as well almost

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I curious about what shadow thinks about the double bus because he committed to it with no knowledge it was coming which was really important.

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We all underestimated MT on the first page.

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And I would have moved off replace day 1 but it seems really hard to imagine we could have gotten Madonna or shadow.

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Yeah town didn't work together very well unfortunately. I think it would be really hard for anyone to win after day 2 though.

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One of us will look stupid soon, but I don't think it will be me.

Somehow we were both right and we both look stupid...

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Really though chilled is town mvp, he did nothing scummy all game and was very easy to read.

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Yeah that would be great.

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I thought my read on him was legitimate, he was stretching a lot in his catchup posts. He just did it to him scum buddy which I didn't expect at all.

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Yeah, that means I am actually scum, go figure.
But you know what the real genious thing is?!: My partner is actually Toffee. You would have never figured that, would you? That's what makes it so genious.

You even admitted it

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You played very well too ghostwheel, no wonder you were killed.

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That is great advice chilled, thank you.

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I mean the case against shadow was real in that it had real points but it really was my intention to use it to sort Madonna. And I think I got too caught up in the game as a whole instead of focusing in on individual players and trying to read them. And yeah I am actually really surprised Glidder wasn't killed night 1, if I knew he was town I would have thought he was a PR.

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Yeah with almost and me focused on each other it would have been very hard to lynch BBT. I think day 3 being cut short was very bad for us.

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I think having replace flip in a lynch provides more info than another night kill.

And shadow, I have learned my lesson the hard way. At least I feel a bit better about my play knowing BBT actually was scum.

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^ in response to one of the dead thread comments.

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Maybe, I don't know I definitely wasn't defending shadow though. I legitimately thought you were scum totally seperate from my feelings about shadow. I just also thought that there was only one scum between you. But there were some things about madonnas slot that put me off and there was something off about your catch up posts. I wouldn't have tried to lynch you so hard unless I really thought you were scum.

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I think I said this, but it felt like you started with a read and went from there. I'm not sure if you actually did that, but you at least had the information about everyone's alignment which would have been enough to give off that vibe. Like, you didn't comment as if you were town reading the game for the first time. Things like ignoring ghostwheel and Replace's posts. Like, a town member would not have ignored them because that's the only info they had. And it's not just that you read them and didn't comment, there were things town would have found important that you didn't think about or mention. There were a few things like that that stood out to me.

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Sure, but there were a lot of small things like that that added together. I can't really put a finger on it. It just didn't feel like you were trying to figure things out. And it wasn't just confirmation bias because I was looking hard at shadow too.

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And I didn't feel that way about replace in's post at all so I really do think I was feeling something legitimate.

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Yeah I just wanted to force you to rethink your read.

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Right well I know that now haha

Fair enough.

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You didn't get mislynched or night killed so I think you played it well.