Almost's night kill theory in
#498, while certainly plausible, is nothing I would bet on right now. I feel like Ghost was just pro-town enough that
and one
could have killed him just for that. The WIFOM part about the crumbed roles however seems pretty spot on. I am jut not sure I like this being discussed so explicitely again.
@MURDERCAPS
: just going through your points from
#500
- What feels forced about my Madonna case? Please point out where my assessment of her play, notably her behaviour on the Raisus waggon, is so off that you just dismiss it as implausible.
- Are you seriously accusing me of being scum partners with Glidder? If that were the case, I would have just bussed that dead-weight to oblivion. You even utter doubt about that yourself in the same post, so if you are actually trying to make a point here I am totally missing what it is.
- You are seriously accusing me of not trying to engage with replay, when it was he who was dodging and dragging out any open interaction indefinately. In fact, his lack of real engagement, as opposed to probing for reactions and throwing far-fetched accusations around, was exactly one of
my
points against him.
- Likewise I never "stayed off the replace waggon", except maybe for three trivial reasons, which had nothing to do with replace: I did not want to cut discussion unnecessarily short on day1, I only had one vote at a time to put down, but three suspect, and replace was not to p of the list, and I actually wanted to try and give him a chance to explain his behaviour, which he never did in a satisfactory manner, though. However, I always said I would be willing lynch replace and I did so long before it was clear that would actually happen. So you really should overthink your notion of what "being off a waggon" means.
- replace was OMGUS-voting me and Ghost was mostly calling me "hard to read" which is probably fair, considering my usual held-back D1 playstyle. On those grounds I, as scum, would have reasons to kill at least half of this town, I think, which makes your reasoning pretty arbitrary: It works pretty much no matter who was NKed (except maybe Almost).
- you don't like my "thanks scum" post. I don't really see what my scum motivation for making that post would be, so maybe you can explain that, but fair enough, I should probably explain that stance. It's simply that although Ghost had generally given me the same pro-town impression that most of you seem to have gotten too, he had the kind of voice-of-reason-playstyle that has historical always been the kind of scum-playstyle that has been most likely to fool me in the past (mostly due to sympathy borne from similarity in thinking) and he was almost literally picking up some of my stances in some of his posts (like his entry post,
#164 and his repeated echoing of my MURDERCAPS pun, among some others), which made me very wary of buddying from his side. So his death got all the paranoia out of the way and I can now focus on other players that I feel I can easier get a correct read and a solid case on.
I'd also like bot chilled and MURDERCAPS to explain their respective town reads on Madonna to me. They keep on mentioning it, but as far as I can remember there was never much reason put behind it to back it up, and now MURDERCAPS is even not only completely ignoring my whole case, but in fact actively dismissing it as "far-fetched" and trying to use it against me.
@Laser
: How is chilled being alive sketchy, if there is a real possibility of a JK, doc or BP being in the game? I don't like your openly discussing whether other players (me and madonna) are PRs.
Almost 50 has a good point there: Feel free to PR hunt, but don't announce your conclusions for every one, including mafia, to see. In your posting, concentrate on asking questions, discussing hypotheses about who is scum and making solid cases against your suspects.
Hmm. Chilled is suddenly considering Madonna as scum? What changed? You were town-reading her before. how does her push on laser suddenly suffice to turn that upside-down?
I don't like Madonna's replacing out
Not "she is scum"-dislike, just dislike. She is basically still my reading scum read, there's really nothing changed in that. And I wanted to vote that slot. I also feel like she has never really responded to most of my points against her. I don't like that kind of discontinuity in a slot
chilledtea
: I would have to actually too back to remember the exact timing of the events, but from what I remember there are two things, one specific reason and one rather unspecific one:
The specific reason is that my read on Madonna had hit critical scum mass at that point, so to speak.
The more non-specific one is that all the time Glidder has been, and still is, one of those middle-of the road scum-reads for me. Basically an active Lurker who has just utterly failed to drop any convincing town tells, but whose lynch would bring little information overall due to lack of interactions and whose quick lynch is not worth cutting day 1 short for, especially not while there were other options to explore.
