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Post #189 (isolation #4) » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:37 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip. VOTE: tojam L-1
In post 189, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip. VOTE: tojam L-1
Thanks for calling L-1, it helps us a lot, shame that one of you is probably going to lynch me now, then immediately think Creature is scum for pushing my wagon so hard, which could be correct, though it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out.
Can you explain this last part when you say "it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out". Are you saying you think creature is town? And if so why?
In post 44, Creature wrote:tojam2 noticed he got a scum PM with so few newbies around and ran away.
In post 202, Creature wrote:Not fan of how you and LQ are trying to doubtcast CCM's townslip, "you easily could have been buddying with LQ"
Also, your post 197 sounded like you know I am town.
Honestly I find it interesting that it was just coincidence that crazy "derp cleared" himself by using terminology that you have (loosely) used.
In my mind there are 3 things this could be: 1) creature honestly believes this to be an affirmative townslip, 2) creature is trying to make crazy sound town as his partner, 3) creature knows that crazy is town because creature is mafia and creating an accurate town read gives creature more credibility
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Post #213 (isolation #8) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:21 am
Postby Dragon of the West »
In post 208, Dwlee99 wrote:put back your vote, creature. tojam's attempt to discredit reads based on tone is icky.
The L-1 response was pretty much what I wanted to get and it didn't convince me tojam was town. If tojam turns mafia I'd be inclined to jump onto creature's wagon next
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Post #216 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:24 am
Postby Dragon of the West »
I'm okay with waiting to lynch though. We definitely can get more info first and I'd like to hear tojam's reads and what he'd want us to look at if he flips town
In post 209, Dragon of the West wrote:In my mind there are 3 things this could be: 1) creature honestly believes this to be an affirmative townslip, 2) creature is trying to make crazy sound town as his partner, 3) creature knows that crazy is town because creature is mafia and creating an accurate town read gives creature more credibility
Congratulations, you narrowed it down to nothing!
Well yeah as of now it's nothing. But as lynches and night kills happen this will push me towards one of those three more and more. And just having it written will let me go back to it easier and remember the interaction
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Post #231 (isolation #11) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 5:36 am
Postby Dragon of the West »
Right now I still say tojam and creature are the scummiest. And does anyone else have a scummy read on me? Because creature has been quietly pushing to make me seem like scum but I haven't seen anyone else suggest that or agree with it
but I haven't seen anyone else suggest that or agree with it
lol
I'm not using that as the case against you, I was just trying to figure out why you were putting me on your scum reads. What I said there is true, I haven't seen anyone else scum read me. Let me go back through the thread to make sure I'm not wrong about that
I am going to unvote for now, I dislike DotW's pop in.
In post 211, Creature wrote:tojam2 is pretty scum, but I find it too early to lynch.
I am most likely leaning on LQ as tojam2's scumbuddy, but I don't want this game to be so easy.
DotW and atm487 are worth taking a look at imo.
In post 222, Creature wrote:idk, maybe we can just lynch tojam2, LQ and DotW in that order.
I doubt anyone else is scum.
In post 224, Creature wrote:LQ, tojam2 and DotW doubtcasting/discrediting my reads makes me feel I got all my town reads right.
In post 234, Creature wrote:Well, I am considering you a VI right now seeing DotW's obviously faked post 231.
These are the main posts you made against me. By quietly pushing I meant you kept bringing my name up and throwing me into the mix without ever offering a serious case against me. The most you've said against me was that I faked a post which wasn't true
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Post #263 (isolation #18) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:05 am
Postby Dragon of the West »
He's pushing Tom's lynch to a degree. First, he unvoted Tom to stall the lynch. But then later, as LQ pointed out, he backed away from his read saying he didn't know what Tom was doing. Between that and him being my other main scum read, I'm saying that's what is most likely
In post 271, Dragon of the West wrote:Tom is tojam in my book. And yes he was but I was the L-1 vote and then creature unvoted pretty quickly taking away the risk
of a quickhammer.
I'm fine with that. I'm just responding to crazy when he said tojam being L-1 was a big risk to take
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Post #286 (isolation #24) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 7:52 am
Postby Dragon of the West »
In post 189, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip. VOTE: tojam L-1
It sounds like you're trying to pull a mislynch on me then say my reads mean nothing at all.
Well if you don't provide some reads there is no way to tell.
What page am I on? I don't understand what you mean. I'm on the current page.
As far as I see, you are not getting nearly enough pressure for your questionable actions.
Not that I'm 100% townreading LQ but to me, Creature has seemed more scummy from the start. His points aren't obvious and i haven't seen him completely back up many of his reads. Not only that but i still want to hear his case on me being scum. He dropped it entirely after i asked him to make a more solid case and pointed out that he never backed up the accusation
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Post #361 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:40 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
I'll admit that creature doesn't seem to be teamed with tojam unless they are just cutting their losses since we pegged one of the mafia on day one, but i still have an icky feeling around creature in general.
The more Dwlee posts, the more scummy he appears to me. I haven't since him look for scum as much as he's tried to push a vote through.
LQ is iffy on my reads right now. I know creature claims I have a strong town read on him but that's not true. I just agree with some of the claims he made about Creature
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Post #385 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:52 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
I wanted to make a list ranking reads from town reads to scum but honestly i have such little read on eagersnake, atm, and sircakez that it's pretty much worthless
In post 385, Dragon of the West wrote:I wanted to make a list ranking reads from town reads to scum but honestly i have such little read on eagersnake, atm, and sircakez that it's pretty much worthless
I'd post the people you know and put the rest in an IDK catagory
yes actually, i want to see your opinion of me and or the rest of the townfolk, it would give an insight on your perspective
like i said, i have no opinion on you yet because i haven't read anything you've posted that's of substance
In post 392, Dwlee99 wrote:Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Dragon of the West, LicketyQuicikety}
Null {Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Atm, Eagersnake}
Scum {Tojam}
so im inactive and i get scum lean, great
it's hard not to scumlean people who haven't been very active. not saying it's totally your fault or that you are scum, it just gives off an impression. the whole point is finding who's scum; if you haven't done anything that makes me think you're town, i'll probably see you as scum
In post 392, Dwlee99 wrote:Town {Creature, Crab}
Town Lean {Dragon of the West, LicketyQuicikety}
Null {Sircakez}
Scum Lean {Atm, Eagersnake}
Scum {Tojam}
so im inactive and i get scum lean, great
You freaked out on some suspicion thrown at you and eagersnake seemed to be coaching you which gives you scum points as well.
pedit lol
ok, thats reasonable, my defence is one, it was being accused and i dont want to be L-1 on my first game, 2 idk why hes coaching me its weird
yeah but this early a lot of people get accused. it's how you react that shows whether you're town or scum. we have nothing else to gauge it on besides what you say. and it's not that weird, it's your first game so it's natural for people to help. first you claim everyone is too harsh, then it's weird for someone to be potentially nice. lol
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Post #406 (isolation #39) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:05 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
In post 403, atm487 wrote:i understand if people dont want to let their guard down cause im new, but keep that in mind when your interrogating me and according to dwlee, lynching me
this just doesn't quite do it for me. it's almost like saying "allow me to act more scummy because i'm new"
If you seem scummy you seem scummy, sorry
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Post #415 (isolation #40) » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:15 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
@crazycrabman what are your reads so far?
Based solely on individual play mine are looking like:
Town {Crazy}
Townlean {LQ}
Null {Sircakez, eagersnake}
Scumlean {Creature, atm, Dwlee}
Scum {Tojam}
After having you guys disagree with my thoughts on Creature, I'll trust what you say about scum partners. If tojam flips scum, creature will go to a townlean
In post 436, Dragon of the West wrote:does someone want to unvote just to be sure? or are we okay with him sitting at L-1 trusting no one will just hammer him?
How about you...
haha i could, but it wasn't a request for someone to. just me asking the guys who haven't voted yet if they would feel better if someone did. I'm content with Tojam sitting at L-1
In post 189, Dragon of the West wrote:Okay sorry for the inactivity so far I've been busy the past two days. The vibes I'm getting so far are creature and tojam as the most scummy. Just reading over the thread creature seems to make a lot of cases that feel forced. Tojam has been iffy between being scarce and having early posts that didn't make much sense (although I may have just misinterpreted them). I haven't gotten a decent read on anyone else besides crazy's townslip. VOTE: tojam L-1
Thanks for calling L-1, it helps us a lot, shame that one of you is probably going to lynch me now, then immediately think Creature is scum for pushing my wagon so hard, which could be correct, though it's unlikely as most of you have pointed out.
Please do not use the word 'vibe', it means nothing in terms of the game and often leads to town lynches. If you do know for sure that a person is scum (or the whole partnership) say it out loud, especially if its LYLO (essentially you have to lynch and if you lynch wrong it's game over) or MYLO (lynch town and it's game over).
Fortunately I'm a Vanilla Townie (VT) so there's still 1 or 2 power roles left in town, if you are a PR, check Creature, but don't say if you are a PR now.
@atm, ultimately, this was his defense when he was at L-1. No one (including myself) thought this was a very good defense of himself. Since pressuring him further he hasn't responded or given a more sound defense. That is why we've still been pressuring and looking for further responses. Ultimately it's a guessing game but Tojam is our best bet. We don't want to lynch him yet since we have more day to work with, though. and if he surprisingly flips town we can take whatever reads he has into consideration
In post 475, eagerSnake wrote:So if tojam turns scum then his partner should be either LQ or DotW.
If tojam flips town then scum will still be either LQ or DotW, with the addition of Creature or Dwlee9.
Sound about right? Or could Dwlee9 possibly be scum with tojam?
This is where I'm at mostly, yeah. I think Creature is town regardless of the Tojam flip though.
I don't think it makes sense for me to be tojam's partner if he flips scum. I've had him as my scum read and had a vote on him nearly all game. Also, I was his L-1 vote originally. The only option left would be that I'm bussing this early but everyone said that wouldn't make sense when I said I thought creature could be scum
I'd like you to quote this please cuz I'm pretty sure this never happened.
This was totally me. But that was before I considered the whole partners thing. I was just going with who seemed individually scummy but a few people pointed out that creature wasn't acting in a way that insinuated he was tojam's partner
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Post #520 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 15, 2016 1:34 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
Okay so here are my thoughts: we aren't getting any more information by sitting around. Atm doesnt magically have anything to add and everyone has added their 2 cents. The majority is on tojam and that isn't changing. Tojam hasn't given any more information, any of his own reads, or a decent defense of himself after 2 irl days since deciding he was who was getting lynched. I'd love to wait if we could glean more useful information, but at this point I think we need to have someone confirmed before intelligently speculating more than we already have. In anticipation of a nightkill it'd be wise for people to try to give their spiel before ending the day.
Creature: While it doesn't seem like creature could be teamed with tojam, I'd say creature may be scum if tojam flips town
LQ: definitely a possible partner of tojam
Dwlee: I'm iffy on this read. He may be scum regardless of how tojam flips but I'd need another day phase to analyze what he says
Atm: seems like noob town
Sircakez: town lean
EagerSnake: null
Crazy: town
In post 610, Dwlee99 wrote:cakez why are you just showing up now
pedit this is twilight trolling as I refuse to believe tojam not only changed his tone, but his playstyle, content creation etc etc as town,
pedit2 Hammering with a week until deadline isnt exactly bad when the flip propels the game.
Meh.. its not like the game was stalled. My problem is that tojam and myself were the only ones taking any heat. I tried to get something going on creature for valid reasons mind you but I guess people didn't feel the need to look anywhere else.
If you look at my thoughts I argued that creature goes back to scum lean for me if tojam flips town. I've thought that creature was scummy from the start
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Post #689 (isolation #58) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 6:39 pm
Postby Dragon of the West »
So after catching up on the posts from today I really don't see how those things are leading you guys to Dwlee so hard. I don't think he's saying throw out the information but he's right in saying that most of it is wifom at this point. This NK can be used as the game progresses, but I don't think it can be the sole thing leading to a lynch this day. I think eagerSnake and LQ both know this. Therefore, VOTE: eagerSnake
This was for eagerSnake and not LQ because I don't want to start a wagon this early in the day and there's already a vote on LQ I believe
This is by no means final. I'm still extremely suspicious of creature
