Newbie 1734 - Happy (Game Over)

[Zyf]

INF.
hammer grendel.
just do it.

[Zyf]

Idk man but if you keep picking on stupid small things like that you're not going to convince me

inf
look

Skold said they were EITHER doc or BP.
They would only not know this if they did not read their role pm, in which case they should be force-replaced or modkilled.

They now engage in an argument with me saying that they don't have to know their role because they don't have matrix6 memorized
but that's IRRELEVANT because you need to know your role anyway

like please

[Zyf]

Small things that people do under pressure dont matter very much. Even bigger things, like supposedly not taking into account the scumreads you developed throughout the game, is within the realm of possibility for town. Actions people took throughout the game are more important.

Zyf, why would scum!skold claim a role that only makes sense with grendel's when I was already considering them as a team?

Because claiming doc doesn't guarantee that gamma will die for "lying"?

[Zyf]

It's standard to claim both doc and BP. This is because scum don't know which giving scum wifom and it doesn't deny town information usually. I was using that until i checked the matrix6. How do neither of you know this?

Can you...show me places where this has happened?

Furthermore, saying you are both and immediately changing it doesn't do anything.
No one else posted between your "im both" and your "i'm BP" comment.

[Zyf]

Really like grendel's catchup.

Right? Like I don't even care if he ends up being scum, if he's willing to put

that

much effort into in-depth note reads for the town, like... I wouldn't even care about losing. Shit's impressive.

The question is, does Grendel do this often?

And Grendel, non-game related question: You TOTALLY have an actual notebook with players' various town/scum playing habits and tendencies, don't you? Not that that's a bad thing, I think its one of the best things about playing in a consistent community -- looking at things on a deeper level than the game itself but still entwined with the game. Based on shared history. It's like a soft-meta.

Anyway, sorry. Big fan of the notes. Looking forward to your all-caught-up thoughts.

Everyone else: Don't put

any

stock in

any

of my Grendel reads henceforth. I don't think I could lean scum on him even with a gun to my head. I'm going to stop talking now and go make another drink. So this concludes my marking out over Grendel's notes.

interesting stuff
gally never mentions skold later on though


I honestly don't see gamma killing gally.
Like if i were scum!gamma I'd try to bring me/gally into lylo, we trusted him the most and the best part of it is that gally didn't know whether I or Gamma was scummier to them which means he could hope I get set up.

[Zyf]

Small things that people do under pressure dont matter very much. Even bigger things, like supposedly not taking into account the scumreads you developed throughout the game, is within the realm of possibility for town. Actions people took throughout the game are more important.

Zyf, why would scum!skold claim a role that only makes sense with grendel's when I was already considering them as a team?

Because claiming doc doesn't guarantee that gamma will die for "lying"?

But that means he becomes confirmed scum tomorrow if grendel flips scum, and I was already strongly leaning towards voting grendel.

Come on, do a better job at convincing me.

If grendel flipped scum, he's dead tomorrow anyway.
Because then gamma is conftown and I'm conftown.
And I already said that I'd lynch him tomorrow to force this gambit to happen earlier.

[Zyf]

Small things that people do under pressure dont matter very much. Even bigger things, like supposedly not taking into account the scumreads you developed throughout the game, is within the realm of possibility for town. Actions people took throughout the game are more important.

Zyf, why would scum!skold claim a role that only makes sense with grendel's when I was already considering them as a team?

Because claiming doc doesn't guarantee that gamma will die for "lying"?

But that means he becomes confirmed scum tomorrow if grendel flips scum, and I was already strongly leaning towards voting grendel.

Come on, do a better job at convincing me.

they basically /have/ to get the win today.
if not there's at least 1 conftown in 3p LYLO

[Zyf]

I'm just going to put it this way:
Who has seemed more scummy all game?
Just because it's LYLO doesn't mean you should throw away your reads entirely

[Zyf]

Alight so this is taking awhile, I hope I'm not burdening the thread. I want to get at least half way caught up tonight. Then finish tomarrow.

…Ughhh, why is RVS always so gross… its hard to get much from this, but I guess I’d better try anyways. When I do catch up notes I generally summarize the first few pages, (or how ever long RVS lasts), then I directly reference posts on each page with less summarizations.

Spoiler: Pages 1-5

Page 1:
-Kyndy left IC opening post. Correction, a lazy IC opening post.
-Skold is a downer.
-Infitelt is pretty active poster this page. But given his experience I am afraid to give a gut read.
-Lil Uzi Vert giving a bare minimum effort.
-Maggibass gives a back story and vote. That’s cool.
-Gamma is active, which is pretty normal posting style for him.
-Raskolnikov is trying to be clever.
-Weird interactions between Infinity and Gamma. Can’t quite put my finger on what it is though.

Page 2:
-I like Rask and Skold for town. Fairly superficial reasons though. Mainly that Skold is dissing RVS, and Rask is making reads list super early in the game.
Page 3:
-Really not a fan of Kyndy right now. Not seeing anything to futher the game state, not seeing anything reflecting a desire to solve the game.
-Seeing Gamma using forum user activity to scum hunt is bothering me. I recall him treating that tactic as “creepy”, and “mean”, when other players used it. So seeing Gamma making such a big deal about who is on and not on now baffles me. Actually though, he made those protests as scum so… this might be an indication Gamma is town. Hmmm.

Page 4
-Beginning to not like Infinity so much. His town read on Gamma is a bit forced.
-I don’t like how Kyndy is asking for participation when she isn’t generating content.
-Oh hey, Infinity also shared my thoughts on Kyndy. Huh.

Page 5
-Infinity and Gamma’s constant interactions make me want to rule them out as a possible scum team. Not seeing Scum being so involved with each other in the thread proper. At least, not normally. Gamma looks v town, Infinity is starting to look okay.
-Lil Uzi Vert is pretty fence-sitty right now. No hard reads and soft ones he can back away from at moment’s notice. Town reads too, which is the easiest reads for scum to fake.
-My time zone is EST, but I keep a weird schedule so…

Reads:

Gamma Emerald, Raskolnikov,

Skold, Infinity,

(who cares),

Lil Uzi Vert, Kyndy

Now I will switch to directly referencing posts.

Spoiler: Pages 6-10

Page 6
@ 126, 128 Rask pretty much say what I was think in regurads to Vert and Kyndy.
@ 127 I wonder the possibility that Infinity could be scum with either Vert or Kyndy. That said I can see town motivation from this too, he could be pointing out that its certainly not a slam dunk case.
@136 Infinity is asking Vert some good questions, maybe thinking they are scum together is pretty unrealistic.
@143 Gally’s first substance post. I disagree with his case. The only time I view vote hoping as truly alignment indicative is at EoD. Is vote hoping AI where you come from?
@146 & 148 Gally backed off Gamma in a pretty awkward manner. I don’t see why he was so quick to fold here if he legitimately thought he had a good point on Gamma. His explanation is underwhelming too.
@149 Don’t like Kynd’ys reads. 180' opinion on these. Well, not entirely opposite on Gallynuke, he is just null.

Page 7
@150 Its weird how Infinity keeps saying things I can agree with, but I am incredibly fickle with regard to how I’m reading him. I espesally agree with his sediment that bad logic isn’t a scum tell.
@151 Gamma’s reads aren’t very good. LUV is on his fence, and Kyndy has been fluff posting with exception to 149. I also think the “giving mafia tips” thing is silly, but it definitely reflects Gamma’s town like paranoia.
@152 Gally’s Beta first edition gut read list is entertaining. And has valid points.
@155 I sympathize with Gally, I struggle with voting D1 too. If that is the site meta where he comes from then his backing off of Gamma makes a bit more sense now. Some sites are reclutant to make soild stance D1.
@171 Kyndy makes more in depth reads lists. Reads lists are cool and all, but its barely scum hunting since Kyndy doesn’t actually engage anybody when making these. Also her read on Rask is basically pot calling the kettle black.

Page 8
@175 who is this scumlordz?
@All this page Skold looks like unhelpful town to me. I have yet to meet a scum player who was so staunchly open with their unhelpfulness. Scum at least tries to look like they are being helpful. Otherwise they could get policy lynched. Like the point of being scum is to not die, towns can afford to die, scum really can’t. So Skold has no reason to do this as a mafiaso. Would not support pocily lynching this, his play makes much more sense as town then scum thus far.
@183 to 186 Rask looks like frustrated town to me.
@198 On of LUV’s best post so far is a non-AI one. lol

Page 9 & 10
How’s that high horse doing Skold?
Like what a waste of page nine, the whole thing is debating mafia theory.
@236 Infinity is the first to try and pull away from this largely non AI discussion. Really starting to like Infinity for town now.

Reads:

Raskolnikov, Skold, Gamma, Infinity

,

Magibass, Gallynukes,

Lil Uzi Vert, Kyndy

*Discliamer, I am not paying attention to current discussion so if you ask me something I'll won't get to it until I'm caught up! Sorry in advance!

read page 6-10 catch-up
observe magical chumminess

[Zyf]

Hi peoples, I'm Grendel.

I look forward to matching wits with you all.

OOOOHH SHIT.
I know Grendel! HOW YOU DOING!

Heyyyyy, did you really think I wouldn't want a piece of your first MS game?

Woot! Another new face!

Nice to meet you.

Hello

Given my views on the gamestate at the moment, you have a high chance of being mafia

Have you already given an explanation as to why that is?

If not you should go ahead and do that.

Hi, grendel

Hello!

Also, Grendel: Hi!

*Insert joke about your mother here.*

I'll wreck ur meadhall.

IDK i find it a bit sketchy now that everyone but skold said hi

[Zyf]

Makes more sense.

The all game part is why I'm gonna have to ISO people again.

by the way if you're actually scum with someone f*** you

i really hate getting played by scum like this i've already had it happen to me gdi

[Zyf]

also
at one point skold dips down to null for doing the same things they'd been doing all game, then brought back up to town for no reason

i also conveniently fall to null at the very end of their reads list

[Zyf]

like please
can we kill grendel now

if you look at all their catch-ups there's no controversial reads at any point

[Zyf]

actually inf grendel did a lot of semi-parroting throughout pretty much their entire catch-up
they basically stayed completely in the middle ground in terms of what they thought about stuff

[Zyf]

like please
can we kill grendel now

if you look at all their catch-ups there's no controversial reads at any point

Hold your horses.

I'll ISO people and I'm confident I'll make the correct decision. If you're town we have nothing to worry about, and we have nothing to lose by waiting and making sure.

yes we kinda do have stuff to lose/worry about
the longer you wait, the more obnoxiously hard it is going to be for me to 2v1 scum and convince you that they're scum as opposed to me.

[Zyf]

bruh

[Zyf]

I have extra proof Grendel is Mafia. He didn't really expand his scum reads, implicating himself as he knows everyone is town. Infinity, Grendel is Mafia. Sheep me.

*us

fukin this
this is why I bloody asked you to hammer ages ago
i already can predict the BS that's gonna happen

[Zyf]

I have extra proof Grendel is Mafia. He didn't really expand his scum reads, implicating himself as he knows everyone is town. Infinity, Grendel is Mafia. Sheep me.

Explain more.

Zyf, you're not predicting shit. It's on me if I guess wrong, but voting sooner is not going to make me more likely to be right, in fact quite the opposite. I can understand being impatient from your perspective, if you're town, since you know who scum is, but I don't.

I /don't/ know who scum is
because I'm fokin' VT
but considering the level of /screaming/ crumbing Gamma did yesterDay and the fact that it was consistent today makes me hella confident they aren't faking it

[Zyf]

He excluded himself from his townreads, and also didn't form teams that much D2. I've seen that having too many ownreads or having the wrong ones is a scumtell.

this is NAI stuff dude

[Zyf]

I guess I could be scum with gamma fypov

But no

if you're gonna iso, do it and come to a decision
there's nothing more for me to say at this point

[Zyf]

this is NAI stuff dude

Scum doesn't really have a reason to undermine their case. Maybe it's not infinity I need to convince.

I would then have to believe that Infinity was scum.
So no.

[Zyf]

Really having trouble finding time to sit down and slove this game today.

Probably have to hold out until late tonight, lots of irl obligations I haven't accounted for.

I will say though that Zyf rushing to get me lynched earlier today before I could provides cases/ defend myself is super gross.

VOTE: Gamma

Almost forgot

not fucking really
I believe the cop claim and thus you're confscum like stfu

[Zyf]

FMPOV, the game is solved.

^^

[Zyf]

gally what is it that makes you think we're scum
one thing I've learned is not to kill ppl who tr you (if you're scum) because the wifom isn't worth the trade-off
so I wouldn't do it, especially since Rask would do all the work and I could set a mislynch train off to give me and my partner an easy 5p lylo with little suspicion on me.

aka i'm not scum b/c that's the opposite of the safest play for me
like I'd have to have balls of steel

He says he doesn't have the guts to do something. When the biggested draw to his play style is how utterly gutsy he is. Sounds like a contrived, "its not me fam!"

dude stfu
have this http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67015
it doesn't FUCKING work

[Zyf]

Zyf wanted to kill me that's for sure.

He pushed you with reasons that wouldn't get you lynched.

Doesn't matter how aggressive one is if what they are saying if their case is just hot air.

I love how you immediately destroy a case by simply putting in words that put you against me.

I mean, let's be fucking honest here, I was tunneling. You say whatever the fuck you want to throw shade at me, but you're not voting me right now.

Why is it that you're voting gamma but are trying to get me in bad favor?
The two don't go together.

[Zyf]

You mean Skold's D1 performan
He was town. Scum don't act like negative utility. I could quote horrible anti town things all done by town. Not so much Scum because scum don't want attention.

Anyways, how is that comparably to Zyf's needless self meta. Which, didn't come off as anti town but somebody hastily defending themselves with no reason to do so at that time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67015
again


I've done it before, read the last day, it doesn't fucking work

It's not "needless" either, because it's never needless to defend yourself against someone's suspicions. Like seriously now.

I'm just wondering why you're completely flipping your reads on me from your catch-up for really contrived reasons that are because you need...Gamma killed today?

[Zyf]

Yep NKs point towards zyf/gamma unless scum wanted to WIFOM

But rask made sense either way since he may have PoE'd down to the team anyway

But gally kill has to be WIFOM if it's grendel/skold.

Why would Gamma and I

together

kill gally?
Maybe it was possible if it was just me, but gally townread both of us.

Also, considering that Grendel is so adamant that there's no way in fuck I can't wifom, why is it so hard to believe that grendel/skold can do it too?

[Zyf]

You mean Skold's D1 performance?

He was town. Scum don't act like negative utility. I could quote horrible anti town things all done by town. Not so much Scum because scum don't want attention.

Anyways, how is that comparably to Zyf's needless self meta. Which, didn't come off as anti town but somebody hastily defending themselves with no reason to do so at that time.

ha
ha ha
hahahahahahahahahahaha

orlly
You:
"@603 to 609 I nominate Skold for MIP (Most _Irritating_ Player). He is as inflammatory as my sinus pressure in the spring. If he isn’t going to do anything he should stop telling people that what their doing dosen’t matter. I had a pretty stong town read on this guy, and I guess I still lean town, bbut I’m really not happy with his performance currently."
And then you mark them down as null
And then
"--I put Skold back into town b/c not likening his play doesn’t make him not town lol." suddenly change it the fuck back for no reason other than town favor

like EVERY part of your "reads list" is just a copy of the majority thought at the time. There's literally no original thought in it
I only recognize that now because tbh if you can skim my

tunnel

––whoops, I mean, my FAKE SCUMREAD PUSH BUILT TO DISTANCE GAMMA––I can skim your catch up

[Zyf]

this thus means that you got a free ride to LYLO for not doing a single bit of work yourself and with a catch-up that doesn't actually do anything for us. It's like a fucking summary of what happened. You never even use that catch-up. Or ever push after you get caught up. Skold's hammer makes some sense now because it pretty much gave you free TR's all D1 without you having to do anything. And skold got a free ride too, because he was already playing horribly to begin with.

[Zyf]

@zyf How would you describe you scum meta, before I check it myself?

ehm
i don't know
I'm still creating it
that game was 'play like you're town'

[Zyf]

Doesn't try to use meta to help his case. Ok

cuz I don't have one?
My only real scum game I fucked up pretty bad so that's not a reliable meta for me to use.

*sigh*

[Zyf]

can we kill grendel now

[Zyf]

the game's over regardless of grendel's flip
i'm tired of thinking and getting paranoid as fuck that I'm getting played.
inf pls

[Zyf]

the game's over regardless of grendel's flip
i'm tired of thinking and getting paranoid as fuck that I'm getting played.
inf pls

We still have one more Mafia to catch.

lol if we kill grendel you'll always win gamma
if grendel flips scum, skold is now confscum, and you're conftown, so we (both) win
if grendel flips town, you're confscum, but it doesn't matter because you have majority, so you win and I don't

[Zyf]

Zyf wanted to kill me that's for sure.

He pushed you with reasons that wouldn't get you lynched.

Doesn't matter how aggressive one is if what they are saying if their case is just hot air.

I love how you immediately destroy a case by simply putting in words that put you against me.

I mean, let's be fucking honest here, I was tunneling. You say whatever the fuck you want to throw shade at me, but you're not voting me right now.

Why is it that you're voting gamma but are trying to get me in bad favor?
The two don't go together.

Lol, I’m not throwing shade. I’m trying to point to how you and Gamma are a scum team. You are the most verbose and aggressive of the two so I want to refute you first.

Then if I need to 1v1 Gamma too I will, but if I can get evidence on one of you it would be enough to get you both strung up. Gamma today, you tomorrow.

You mean Skold's D1 performan
He was town. Scum don't act like negative utility. I could quote horrible anti town things all done by town. Not so much Scum because scum don't want attention.

Anyways, how is that comparably to Zyf's needless self meta. Which, didn't come off as anti town but somebody hastily defending themselves with no reason to do so at that time.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67015
again


I've done it before, read the last day, it doesn't fucking work

It's not "needless" either, because it's never needless to defend yourself against someone's suspicions. Like seriously now.

I'm just wondering why you're completely flipping your reads on me from your catch-up for really contrived reasons that are because you need...Gamma killed today?

Once again i don’t see where Gally said he thought you and Gamma were town. In fact I’d say he was definitely scum reading Gamma. Therefore Gally was not a kill drenched in wine. Heck, you might have thought that Gally was a power role.

Because it turned out that two of my town reads are actually scum so I’m looking at previous interactions in a new light. It probably means I came to the wrong conclusion on many points regarding you, and Gamma.

Re1721: It looks more like you lost due to your fake cliam then nking Nahdia. I don't time to read the whole thing but in post game it seems you could have kept Cheetory on you side and put up really good fight in the threeway.

Haven't you referenced this same game three times now as defense for why you wouldn't nk somebody town reading you?

1) That's fucking ridiculous. "Proving" I'm scum doesn't make Gamma scum the same way that proving you're scum proves Skold is scum. You can't associate gamma and I like that. VOTE who you're pushing, scumbutt.
2) You mean "you're more likely to have something scummy about you and infinity is less sure that you're town"?
3) Why are you using the gally kill so adamantly? It's suspect as fuck because it was

last night's kill

. NK's aren't a good way of confirming scum because scum can always wifo––oh wait, you're scum doing that.
4) Just because gamma's copping me as town doesn't make me scum, especially considering I know I'm town so he isn't lying. Me believing that he's cop doesn't make me scum either, because I am way more confident that Skold/Grendel is a scum team than I am Gamma/Infinity is one.
Especially considering how dang long Infinity's taking to decide; they're conftown at this point because they could have won the game AGES ago.
5) I guess I was wrong f**k you gally for being wrong
However Gamma wasn't part of that the FUCK are you talking about
6) I lost because I nk'ed nahdia solely for the wifom. The fakeclaim was just the knot on the noose.

[Zyf]

GoDDAMNIT infinity
If you believe Gamma is town–
I'm CONFTOWN
and Grendel is CONFSCUM

it's not that hard

you know what grendel, go ahead. Tear my iso fucking apart and point to everything scummy I did that completely contradicts your catch-up that exactly copied others' thoughts.

I've already explained as best I can why you should be fucking dead.

Infinity feel free to ask me questions, I'm just not gonna respond to a scumbutt that's not even fucking voting me.

[Zyf]

What's so hard to understand about I NEED TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT

Because you have yet to even REMOTELY suspect gamma as scum, and if gamma is town grendel MUST BE SCUM

[Zyf]

Zyf would have to have balls as scum to keep saying the same thing that I'm getting annoyed about, but I think we've already established that he'd have to be ballsy to be scum here.

yes we have
because I'm not scum gdi


This is the last thing I do. Let me ask you

BLUNTLY.

Do you thing Gamma is scum?

[Zyf]

fukksake

[Zyf]

Its a classic scum move for one scum to be one the day's lynch, and one off.

Zyf was on, and you were off.

that works for you and skold too, genius

[Zyf]

Grendel, didn't you say you'ld wreck GallyNukes' mead hall? Very suspicious now.

*facepalm* you're actually not helping convince infinity dude

[Zyf]

infinity, come on now
At this rate we're all gonna get prodded because you're being indecisive as fok

[Zyf]

........
*sigh*

[Zyf]

@zyf you originally said you have town vibes on LUV, when and why did those go away?

Can you answer this please?

he was being fencesitty af
like earlier in the game it was fine but we were 55 pages in and they had done NOTHING

[Zyf]

infinity
please come to a goddamn decision
i don't even fucking care if you kill gamma anymore like holy shit stop stalling this is dumb

[Zyf]

I care. Zyf, don't be like this. Once we lynch Grendel, we just have an easy 3P LyLo.

imo it's not worth waiting six more accursed days. I'll know I was right.

[Zyf]

@Infinity Would you like the thought process behind my night actions?

I feel like it would be pretty clear why I chose to track the people I did, but if you need that info I can provide.

This whole thread is stupid. Infinity has a decision to make and is dodging it by asking for information that ultimately won't change his mind.
@Grendle you think infinity could be with Gamma? I don't see the point in extending the discussion otherwise.

He is in a position to hammer me. As scum he would have done it. The scum team has to be GammaXZyf.

Pre-edit: What is up with people acting fatalistic for town cred? Maybe this discussion should go after the game but people saying that don't care anymore bugs me. Everybody acts like somebody who has stopped caring is "town giving up" when either alignment could get fed up with a game and want out. :/

I /am/ fed up of waiting
like infinity isn't even showing an interest in PLAYING afaik
this is ridiculous

[Zyf]

are /you/ having fun rn?

[Zyf]

@ Infinity, How far away are you from reaching a consensus?

Need to finish gamma/zyf ISO and quickly meta zyf then I'll be done

"meta"
lolololol what meta

[Zyf]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=67932
Oh right this game is over
Only there for early D1 dw

[Zyf]

@Zyf: I checked your ISO to see exactly where Infinity is, and I have one concern (and don't you attack me for caring about appearances, I just want to know your thoughts): when EXACTLY did you start to think I could actually be town, with minimal doubt?

the townslip

[Zyf]

@Zyf: I checked your ISO to see exactly where Infinity is, and I have one concern (and don't you attack me for caring about appearances, I just want to know your thoughts): when EXACTLY did you start to think I could actually be town, with minimal doubt?

WAIT A FUCKING SECOND
IF YOU WERE COP YOU WOULD KNOW I'M TOWN

D'OH GODDDD

[Zyf]

ok nvm
hella glad I didn't vote town

[Zyf]

Zyf why did you doubt gamma there

it sounded like they were making sure I was town
when I should have already been conftown to them

why? because distrust increases over time in this game

[Zyf]

@zyf When did you realize that this was only gamma's second mafia game (that's true right)?

it's not tho

[Zyf]

Besides, I already had a decent level of play by my second game, so there's very little newbie leeway imo

[Zyf]

infinity, please
it's been like 3 days

[Zyf]

I'm gonna try to answer your question to Grendel and Skold, but from Town!Zyf and Town!Gamma perspective.
Zyf initially thought that you, Infinity, could be my scum buddy. However, when Rask and LUV, along with one other person I don't remember, maybe Gally, said my play wasn't scummy, Zyf realized that with five people unconvinced, he had no chance of actually causing a lynch.

and then considered that 80% of that group could not be scum if you were, thereby making it probably actually bad reasons

[Zyf]

Or you know i could be irked because afaik inf is primarily confident in gamma
Which makes me fucking incredibly mad that they're taking so long to double check

Gamma is the most important one in this 2v2. If gamma is town, i'm conftown too so there's literally zero purpose in doubting me if you trust gamma
You/skold is a team that seemed to set up shop together, and are also the counter-claim

You guys and your overanalysis the game is solved like wtf pls

[Zyf]

OH MY FUCKING GOD IT'S SO OBVIOUS NOW
IF WE TOOK IT SERIOUS, HE CAN BECOME SAFE
IF WE DISTRUST HIM, HE CAN SAY IT'S A JOKE
IT'S DESPERATE SCUM HOLY SHITE INF PLEASE

[Zyf]

lmfao
k
VOTE: skold

[Zyf]

i am literally just not gonna post anymore
if infinity actually takes another 3 f**king days to decide then I'll get replaced, because that's fucking retarded and this game has been solved for a million years now

VOTE: Grendel

Fuck us over infinity, go ahead
I don't care anymore


good luck gamma, you're no longer in a 2v1

[Zyf]

Oh fuck you also mafiascum. I wasn't finished. ''That was so painfully a joke I''... even used emoticons. Grow up, you're found, and flailing. This is stupid.
@Infinity if this is still somehow a hard decision, replace out.
@Zyf no, you got caught on your own, you don't get to pin this on some other person. Replacing out is a stupid scum response to being found.

"being found"

[Zyf]

6 FUCKING DAYS INF
6 FUCKING DAYS

[Zyf]

Not my fault I'm busy dude

let me ask you bluntly
where do you stand now?

[Zyf]

VOTE: nolynch

[Zyf]

UNVOTE:

[Zyf]

@grendel i don't fucking have to
You and gamma cannot be the same alignment
Gamma is town

Thus you are flailscum
Gg
VOTE: grendel

[Zyf]

lol k

you can't just prove gamma is wrong, they have a cop guilty on you.

you have to prove THEY are scum. Not that I'm scum, not that you aren't scum. You have to prove THEY ARE SCUM.

until you do that, you're scum no matter what criticism you throw at me.

[Zyf]

Mm, well I didn't know you were not on. I still think it is a valid point against you.

What do you mean by parroting?

Other than clearing me Day 1, you put forth no really new information in your recaps. That's the parroting.

I agreed with a lot of things other players had to say. Its a recap not commentary from a completely different game. If you expected me to break the game when provided with the same information as everbody else you have unrealistic expections of what I'm capable of. The purpose first and for most was to record my thoughts so I could keep track of the game, and where I'm standing. It just so happens I thought that the popular scum reads were in fact scum because idunno, they were scummy?

lol k

you can't just prove gamma is wrong, they have a cop guilty on you.

you have to prove THEY are scum. Not that I'm scum, not that you aren't scum. You have to prove THEY ARE SCUM.

until you do that, you're scum no matter what criticism you throw at me.

Yeah, okay, let me just crawl into my time machine so I can and track gamma N1, and N2. Thanks for the helpful advice!

It sounds like if I had the chance to claim first with "incriminating" results that I would be Conftown to you. That is not the case. Scum can gambit too. Your scum with Gamma, and proving your scum proves Gamma is scum. You Even eluded to that yourself the other day.

No you wouldn't because you haven't been nearly as towny all game, you haven't townslipped, and you've actuall contributed quite little to the conversation up until today

As for the second part: Wrong. If you are scum, skold MUST be scum (or possibly but highly unlikely lying town) because bp CANNOT exist with cop

[Zyf]

k

feel free to take another 3 days now if you want.
at least you're indicating you're actually playing the game.

But if you're gonna give intent rather than an actual hammer, shouldn't you specifically state what you want? Cuz we all already claimed.

[Zyf]

GGs!

[Zyf]

Lol
tbh u were fok'd anyway

[Zyf]

you should've claimed doc, honestly

[Zyf]

imo I played pretty decent support

[Zyf]

@Zyf nope I'm wrong, doc claim could've worked.

yep.
you could've shot gamma

[Zyf]

Was the WIFOM intentional Zyf?

some of it was, yeah
wanted you to shoot me
like I softed PR at one point i think

[Zyf]

yo wtf
where's xalxe

[Zyf]

lol
OVERKILL
VOTE: Skold

[Zyf]

I wanted to play a game where I never hard claimed. I was really mad when you guys decided to popcorn, and decided to break sequence so I didn't get screwed by the two scum counterclaiming before I even claimed.

dude
if they had claimed first we probably would've lost

you should ALWAYS hard claim in lylo

[Zyf]

hey look rask
we were on the same side this time
XP

[Zyf]

is my level of participation really that surprising to you, rask?

[Zyf]

haha
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=27994
definitely NAI for me and also quite common

[Zyf]

That's a loooong song

[Zyf]

shoutouts to myself for hard-defending scum D1

[Zyf]

And tunneling the cop XD

Really though, you were pretty fun to play with Zyf. Which is surprising because I tend to hate playing with hyper posters.

Because 50+ page D1s are a joy kill for me in such small games.

XD I tend to be pretty excessive on the posting side

makes me laugh how I overtook gamma in 3 days lmao