Okay I've been somewhat quiet for a bit so I think it's time for a long post.
First, the suspicion on me. I know it was bad to not explain my hellfire vote at all, but i'll try to explain what I was thinking. At that point of the game, the game was dragging to me, day 1 had gone on for a few weeks with not that much new stuff each day. I didn't have the desire to read thoroughly and make good posts everyday. When I saw Rasks post about hellfire and tenshii's vote, I voted hellfire without any explanation. My thought process was this: "I want day 1 to end already, it seems like everyone is putting their final vote in, I have explained in the past why I think its good to lynch Hellfire, and even if this seems suspicious then its whatever because I know i'm town and that means everyone that lynched me was the dumb one, not me, so I'll vote hellfire and log off until day 2." In retrospect, my mindset was really bad, if I get lynched it is my fault for not seeming towny and making good posts, which is why I've been rereading and making this long post, because I know if it'd be my fault if I get lynched and town loses.
One point against me being mafia and about my hellfire vote: If I was mafia, I would be much more interested in this game. I would have known simply voting Hellfire would seem suspicious, so I would have put much more thought into that post. Instead, I was town, I thought "I dont really give a shit I just want day 2 already"
Another point: You guys think me and Tenshii are mafia, in post 565 tenshii naked voted for hellfire, in 567 i naked voted for hellfire. If I was mafia I would not be that stupid to make the exact post that my mafia partner just made, at the very least I would back it up with some evidence.
If I could rewrite the post, I would add my previous thoughts on Hellfire:
In post 325, Blakebtb23 wrote: In post 320, CloudKicker wrote:I dont think anyone understand that hellfire is getting lynched this game, he is never going to be night killed this scummy no reads and a vanilla claim on L-1
Hmm now that I think about it, if hellfire is a vanilla townie, scum would want to keep him in the game and not lynch him tonight because
1. he is a vanilla townie, mafia can pressure a potential pr player to be lynched/claim role today instead
2. They know he is a vanilla town so they can never nightkill him and get a better shot at killing a pr player
3. Due to the possibility that hellfire is a experienced player pretending to be newbie, scum knows that hellfire will most likely be lynched eventually and they can let the other townies do that work some day in the future.
So if this is correct we can look at who is protecting hellfire because i think it would be in scum's interest to protect hellfire whether he is town or scum.
Rask and drone both protected him. I think in rask's case rask was a town that got the read off hellfire's plea that he is also town, and then accused drone because she had a genuine read on him being mafia.
Alternatively, Hellfire is a very experienced scum and is playing a character, I agree with cloud that we should not rule out this possibility yet.
As of now I would be fine with lynching hellfire if we don't have a strong mafia read, because I believe there is a legit (~35%) chance that he is scum, but I would rather try to lynch a different mafia that we are more sure about
So back in day 1 I didn't really have a read on tenshii, and that's why I didn't think twice before voting hellfire immediately after him, but I reread him, and honestly I could not get the scum read that you all are getting from him. I think most of your reads stem from the fact that you think I am mafia, and that Tenshii has twice stated i'm towny or backed me up. Tenshii stated these about me right here:
In post 392, Tenshii wrote: In post 362, Drone wrote:[1] The IC has been prodded, posted he'll post, and still he's yet to do so. If you think that I depend on the IC to move things you're wrong.
[2] I'd like a few examples from the Hellfire/Cloud wagon you're talking about I'd also like to add in the fact you haven't commented even once about my interactions with Cloud or Hellfire. [3] Your read on Cloud was that he's scum.
[4] I think your scum read and vote on me are opportunistic.
[5] While you're explaining what's with the opportunism, I would like you to comment on my latest posts, Blake interactions and why suddenly you're not thinking Cloud is scum.
1. So going onto to Day 2 with a slot that basically hasn't posted anything is fine with you? You're denying all kinds of potential D1 information on that slot.
2. Considering that my reasons for voting for you were related to the Hellfire/Cloud wagons, this is a misrep.
3. Reads can change. I even outted a townread on him in the same post I voted you.
4. I think you're just calling things opportunistic because you don't have an actual defense.
5. Leaning town on Blake. Cloud seems too out there and grabbing so much attention to be scum.
So in my mind, I know I'm town, so it doesn't make sense for Tenshii to back me up. I admit I was seeming kind of scummy with my lack of posts, so I think if Tenshii was mafia, he would definitely at least show he was suspicious about me. The only thing that makes sense is if Tenshii is town and got a legitimate town read on me from early gam when I was posting more frequently.
That said, I still found something that might be contradictory in Tenshii's iso, although it might be too far apart to consider. He talks about how its bad to wagon hellfire but then he says its good to wagon hellfire:
In post 359, Tenshii wrote:
My thoughts on Hellfire:
The wagon is bad. There's also a lot of talk for him faking his experience but no one is considering the idea of him being a newb at first and then learning through strategy guides on wiki. He posted about it on
139 The only thing you could perceive as scummy is his accidental "hammer." And I can see this coming from newbtown. Note that this was before his 139.
In post 608, Tenshii wrote: In post 570, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Perhaps they were swayed by Raskol's post explaining the safety of lynching Hellfire.
Essentially this. I don't like the idea of Hellfire being alive in future days. The best thing to his name is some reactions. I'm not down to commit to a townread when the only information to read him off of will essentially be posts like these. Today is the best day for policy.
As of now I don't have a vote because I only iso'd Tenshii, and I don't think it makes sense for him not to target me if he was mafia, because I know I'm town. I will try to iso more people and get a vote either tonight or tommorow
