Newbie 1757 - Game Over

[XnadrojX]

Yay a game where I get in the first page of RVS............

/realises we're already slowly moving away from RVS/

Damn

Spoiler: me

Hi although I'm listed as an SE I'm still actually quite bad at Mafia so uh, I'll just play my best n.n

VOTE: copper223

I'm still in RVS and copper is a bad substance

[XnadrojX]

I acknowledged Town is moving out of RVS

I didn't say we're already

out

of RVS and I'm just going to fit in

my]/i] RVS vote before we properly move out of RVS

[XnadrojX]

I acknowledged Town is moving out of RVS

I didn't say we're already

out

of RVS and I'm just going to fit in

my

RVS vote before we properly move out of RVS

EBWOP: Messed up the italics there.

[XnadrojX]

UNVOTE: Accountant

You guys are sheep lol.

Let's not leave room for scum to barrel us into a turbo lynch D1.

Here you mention "not leave room for

scum

to barrel us into a turbo lynch D1"

@Vijarada - whoever hammered would have barreled into suicide, yes.

Scum hammering like that - suicide.
Town newbie hammering like that - totally possible and still suicide.

A was attempting to avoid the second situation.

Here you say "was attempting to avoid the second situation", where second situation refers to "

Town newbie hammering like that

"


Inconsistency much?

[XnadrojX]

UNVOTE: Accountant

You guys are sheep lol.

Let's not leave room for scum to barrel us into a turbo lynch D1.

Here you mention "not leave room for

scum

to barrel us into a turbo lynch D1"

@Vijarada - whoever hammered would have barreled into suicide, yes.

Scum hammering like that - suicide.
Town newbie hammering like that - totally possible and still suicide.

A was attempting to avoid the second situation.

Here you say "was attempting to avoid the second situation", where second situation refers to "

Town newbie hammering like that

"


Inconsistency much?

Inconsistency =/= scummy.

Inconsistency == scummy

[XnadrojX]

Wait, are you actually

stalking

me? That's.... creepy

And even if that was a honest mistake, why did you say (lie) that you were refering to the Town scenario all along? Inconsistencies can come from mistakes, but lying is something you do intentionally (I can't think of any way to accidentally lie)

[XnadrojX]

I was already typing my post and for some reason the Preview thingie that phpBB does didn't pop up when you posted for me.

Also I didn't notice that that specific bit of inconsistency was already pointed out

[XnadrojX]

I was already typing my post and for some reason the Preview thingie that phpBB does didn't pop up when you posted for me.

Also I didn't notice that that specific bit of inconsistency was already pointed out

lemme clarify the previous bit. It didn't look like that exact bit of inconsistency where he said that he was refering to town when he said scum was pointed out at the time I made my post

[XnadrojX]

The second one was the phpBB thing.

I just read through the page 1 and the "establishment" made on nn30 was implied while no one specifically mentioned the fact he twisted his words

[XnadrojX]

Wait what I'm still on copper? oops lemme fix that real quick

UNVOTE: Copper

and yes I count that as stalking

PEdit: There was a cover up. You clearly stated "scum" in 10 followed by "newbie town" in post 12. There's nothing to clarify

[XnadrojX]

Wait what I'm still on copper? oops lemme fix that real quick

UNVOTE: Copper

and yes I count that as stalking

PEdit: There was a cover up. You clearly stated "scum" in 10 followed by "newbie town" in post 12. There's nothing to clarify

This definitely reads as scummy. Especially the part where you didn't put your vote on me...

VOTE: xnadrojx

Of all the scummy things I did this is the one that asks you to lynch me? Me moving off my RVS vote after forgetting about you is scummy? What in that post suggests I had intention to vote you?

[XnadrojX]

And going through nn30's post, he is repeatedly twisting words, and misrepresenting people. Lemme go quote a few of them

[XnadrojX]

What is more concerning is your attempt to justify and cover it up.

Also, I'm interested as to why you felt the need to defend XnadrojX so badly that you even went to the trouble of calculating percentages and going through his past games. Why not let him speak for himself?

I understand that you've already moved your vote, but you

already voted me

for being inconsistent. You're scum reading me for my inconsistency, but you're being inconsistent yourself! Do you see how stupid this is?

ok found it. Here Accountant clearly says that inconsistency wasn't the problem, while nn30 claims you scumread him for inconsistency. He even quoted that bit later, which showed he didn't simply overlook it.

@Accountant, I don't see why it's scummy to withhold a vote when I'm attacking someone. I don't see a problem with not voting him while I pressure him more for response, because a vote on him now would mean little to him while pressuring him more is more helpful

[XnadrojX]

What in that post suggests I had intention to vote you?

I disagree with a lot of the things nn30 said, but this is not one of them. You've been constantly attacking him and calling him out for various inconsistencies and "lies"(your own words). Why wouldn't you vote someone who was a liar? Do you, like me, think there is someone even scummier or even more deserving of the limelight out there? Why haven't you voted them?

And even so that was the post that he quoted was just me getting off my RVS vote. He specifically said that that post was scummy.

[XnadrojX]

I wasn't requested to move off someone. I was questioned to why I was still on my RVS vote. We're out of RVS, he reminded me I had an RVS vote, I realised that I was still on my RVS vote, I moved off my RVS vote. Simple as that. Stop misrepresenting and twisting words. I do have a scumread on you, I'm applying more pressure to you to see if my scumread is justified, AKA whether your reaction comes to me as scummy or towny. And obviously I have done scummy things, that post is not one of them.

[XnadrojX]

Also I just realised that although Accountant says they scumread me the most, they are just applying pressure solely to nn30. They are not pursuing me or pressuring me, which is what you typically do to a scumread. Why do you pressure just nn30 if I'm scum to you? You seem way more interested in nn30 than you are in actually getting me lynched. I would like to know your reasons.

PEdit: Since pretty much only Me, Accountant, Fruitsman, you, and Vijarada has spoke, my reads is just you and slightly Accountant for ^

[XnadrojX]

So you scumread me so much that gun to the head I'm scum? I wonder where all this confidence is coming from, I never knew you could be 100% sure someone is scum 3 pages in.

VOTE: Accountant

[XnadrojX]

Your "proper reasons" being me making an RVS vote while we're exiting RVS?

[XnadrojX]

Xnadroj: You call nn30 scum, a liar etc etc and refuse to vote for him. You then vote accountant... for confidently saying you are scum. Why?

I was applying pressure on nn30. Accountant's reason to vote me was "Doing an RVS vote out of RVS". I have no idea how that leads to them being certain enough that I am scum to not wish to interact with me

[XnadrojX]

There is no reason for a Town member to do that. That doesn't neccasarily warrent such confidence that I'm scum

[XnadrojX]

Just because I did something Town has no reason doing, doesn't mean I am guaranteed to be not Town. It could be just me playing the game the way I play it or that I simply made an error. This is a single scumtell and you are basing your read with high levels of confidence of off it.

[XnadrojX]

And note I said "warrant such confidence" rather than "doesn't mean I'm scum" or something along those lines. It was a scumtell but you have little reason to be so confident that I was scum over it.

[XnadrojX]

I explained the second one and being confident enough to not wish to interact with me is a quite high level of confidence to me

[XnadrojX]

I didn't scumread nn30 hard enough at that point of the game for me to feel the need to vote him, and although not voting while pressuring can have scum motive, I can't get people to lynch when I'm already so obviously pressuring a response out of him, but not voting him myself, it is here where the argument is flawed.

And I need to go now, I'll come back later in a few hours.

[XnadrojX]

I didn't say I acted intentionally scummy. It's terrible from a tactical perspective and it was poor town play on my part.

Also to Accountant, I didnt call him a liar, I said that he lied. There are 2 different things. And I didn't vote him as Town can also lie as part of a gambit/poor town play and other stuff. I was questioning him over the lie, rather than calling him out.

[XnadrojX]

Yeah I was holding off on scumreading Xnadro but his vote on accountant and his subsequent justification is just horrific. Like, his analysis all game has been garbage, his scumreads have been a popularly pressured person who Xnadro refused to vote, followed by someone who did nothing other than vote Xnadro, his post-hoc stuff is probably worse than nn30's. I didn't think his RVS vote was scummy, I thought his play after that for a while was only a little scummy, but after this latest stuff I'm absolutely happy to lynch him.

"My analysis is horrific"
Dude I haven't even analysed anything

[XnadrojX]

He also unvoted copper when prompted, suggesting he's trying to be too cooperative.

Ffs I explained this already, it was my RVS vote that i forgot to get off before exiting RVS. Is it that hard for you to understand?

[XnadrojX]

I'm scared of fire, I'd rather be hanged.


In response to this part of keyen's post caught my attention:

So you scumread me so much that gun to the head I'm scum? I wonder where all this confidence is coming from, I never knew you could be 100% sure someone is scum 3 pages in.

VOTE: Accountant

Do you even realize you're being scummy? I thought you've realized...

VOTE: XnadrojX

More and more reading you makes it really lose my Town read on you.

I was aware I was scummy, I just disagreed with the exccesive confidence Accountant had. I'm pretty sure 2 (3?) scumtells doesn't mean that someone is 100% scum, or scum enough to warrant their unwillingness to interact in any manner to me. To me, unwillingness to interact shows a gun to the head 100% confidence on me and I'm pretty sure that getting a vote in page 1 using RVS just when we're exiting RVS just to ego, and not voting a guy who I was pressuring does

not

warrant such confidence on me. Which leads to me believing that Accountant is scum because the scum would want to get anyone lynched and their just shoving a scumread down my throat and refusing to interact with me, AKA no chances to show that I'm actually Town

[XnadrojX]

Ok I'm at L-1

I'm just waiting for some guy to come in and lolhammer me.

That being said I don't actually want to be lolhammered before the intent to hammer so lemme just prepare my final words when some guy claims intent to hammer

[XnadrojX]

keyenpeydee <--- Town
fruitsman <--- rather Scum
nn30 <----- Null leaning scum, not scumteam with Fruitsman
Wyvernite <----- Slight Town
Vijarada <------ IDK
ArcAngel9 <------ IDK here too
shannon <------ Null
XnadrojX <------ confirmed Vanilla Townie
Accountant <------- Slight Scum

After voting Accountant, we just had the same arguments fly between us, but Fruitsman has just been watching and although his argument(s?) is(are?) correct, it was used in a horrible way (refering to the accusation of moving discussion away from me). Then in hindsight I Accountant didn't really look that scummy, (probably heat of the moment there while we were arguing) apart from the fact they didn't want to interact with me ( I still stand by my opinion that this is scummy). If you guys go after Fruitsman and he flips scum, then I feel nn30 is unlikely to be scumpartners. These reads are across day 1, and once I flip VT look through my posts from a Town perspective.

Ok, I'm ready to be hammered

[XnadrojX]

i'm at L-1 and ending 5 days before deadline isn't that early. We're at the point where everyone is set on my lynch and further discussion would just be something like:

Person A: He's scum
Person B: No
Person C: Yes
Person D: No
etc.
etc.

My lynch right now is inevitable. The best I can do right now is to make say as much as I know as after I flip VT people will know everything I have said day 1 is from a Town perspective, hopefully driving them to get the scum

[XnadrojX]

Sorry, I'm a VT

[XnadrojX]

eh I played quite badly in this game.

I'll see Fruitsman in the dead PT in 2 weeks

[XnadrojX]

Already hammered. I'm dying on a rope rn. Huntress gonna come in any moment, announce I'm VT, and night will fall.

Good Luck town

[XnadrojX]

I haven't given up. I have not given up until the point where keyne hammered me. Enough were suspecting me. Best I could do was try to help Town in my last words

[XnadrojX]

My face when "It's LyLo, let's pressure lynch the guy" came from a Townie.

[XnadrojX]

Well played to whoever scum there is