Newbie 1763 | Foreigners of a Person - Happy Ending?

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Hi all, going to do a quick skim to see where the day has brought us.

Please don't hammer anyone before I catch up, I won't be long.

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Also,

UNVOTE:

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Both of Krylea and Mlmooney, why switch your votes over to Toto.
Someone getting 3 votes on page 1. What warrants that?

Toto, just because you changed avatar doesn't make you less scum. From what I have read a scum play is to avoid conflict. Is that what you are doing by changing it? Avoiding conflict?

Why ask the question if you're simply going to give away the correct response?

Toto changing their avatar to avoid a vote was great grounds for a wagon. You asking for and providing those grounds in the same post doesn't make sense.

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That being said, I didn't like mooney's vote at all either, and so my vote is staying parked on them for now.

Why not? Someone voting the same person may have had the same reason. If that was the case, it's indicative of like-mindedness, which typically comes from town.

Only scum should be suspicious of similar thought processes.

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What do you think about my auto-generated vote post links?

Why are you so invested in pleasing others?

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I don't have any scum leads. The closest I see leaning to a scum is Toto. He doesn't say much and I feel like he is not being very engaging even though he has to votes on him. Not enough pressure?
This is a lot harder than I thought it would be.
The ic and se don't say as much as I thought they would. Maybe the more experienced you are the less you say so not to give up anything? I wish if they where town they would begin to give up a little more so I can find more positive things about them.

This post feels town.

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Welcome To the game Grey.

Both of Krylea and Mlmooney, why switch your votes over to Toto.
Someone getting 3 votes on page 1. What warrants that?

Toto, just because you changed avatar doesn't make you less scum. From what I have read a scum play is to avoid conflict. Is that what you are doing by changing it? Avoiding conflict?

Why ask the question if you're simply going to give away the correct response?

Toto changing their avatar to avoid a vote was great grounds for a wagon. You asking for and providing those grounds in the same post doesn't make sense.

It has been a week since then, I would assume it was a more of a redundant question.

It's irrelevant whether it was five seconds or five months, a person's motives for making a post does not change.

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I believe that we just need to keep pushing people for information

Then do it! Your vote is on Toto right now. Do you suspect he is scum? If so, push him for further info or apply additional pressure. If not, who do you suspect?

I will, I'm just keeping an open mind and seeing what everyone is saying

That could easily be interpreted as, " I'm just looking for a pattern to blend in with".

Gonna keep my eye on you.

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Checking in.

First game here but I've played mafia elsewhere.

VOTE: Srceenplay

What? Why?

Well. This kind of sucks. I'm a Vanilla Townie.

I was attracting attention to myself to see if I could catch some opportunistic scum. Pretty confident we got one in Shannon, though. That is a 100% BS town read she made there.

Great. Claiming VT is very easy. No fear of counter claims.

Honestly, Toto seems really scummy to me. He's metagaming and posting crap.

(I couldn't post before because of timezones. They suck.)

So why the vote on screenplay, then?

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The motive of that post would be questioning Toto

And providing the answer, thereby nullifying any gain from asking the question.

See my confusion?

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About the "are you sure there is only two scum". It was a joke in regards to all the votes going to Toto so fast after his one liner.

Geez, and here I was giving you towncred for not knowing the scumteam size.

Revoked!

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My thoughts on the thread right now are: First I think that maybe Toto might not be scum since he's been taking so many risks with arguing and saying what's on his mind because scum wouldn't try to stand out and take so many risks with being noticed or judged. And because of this I'll
UNVOTE: Toto
However, I won't just ignore Toto and totally decide that he's innocent. I still want to keep an eye out for anything he reveals and I'll keep an open mind about others

Scum can be just as active as town and take just as many risks as town. I don't think that is at all alignment indicative. I am not 100% sold on the Toto case, but I don't think this is a good reason to jump ship.
And if you don't think Toto is scum, then who do you think is? Coming in and retracting your vote without making any new cases doesn't help town or get us closer to finding scum.

I agree with this post. It echoes what I was thinking as I read Elhabe's awkward unvote.

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Screenplay is town, most likely.

What's your read on Toto?

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I think it's slightly suspicious that after I apologised for accidentally L-1ing you and unvoted, the unvotes continued.

Why is that?

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Have yourself a scumread.

What's your opinion about your scumread (Shannon) voting your scumread (Arrow)?

Also, it's spelled bated, when referring to bated breath. Easy mistake to make, but an annoying one unless you eat earthworms after asking such a question.

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Toto can you give us your read list?
What would you like to have seen happen by the time you have came back?

I think you are town.

If we include arrow that leaves {arrow, shannon, mandy, elhabe, krylea}

I figure out who is scum from those. Or figure out who is town and lynch the remaining one.

P-edit you may want to start with krylea

I agree with your screenplay townread, and you seem town after a shaky start, but why do you tr Arrow?

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After ISOing her I think you may be right about Krylea. From the others I would rank them as such:

Town

Elhabe

Mandy


Arrow / Shannon

Scum

Can't decide who is scummier between those two.

Ignore my last question... Why the Elhabe townread?

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A) I think that we might've been making decisions too fast and deciding things that didn't have enough evidence.

Obvious remark.

B) Don't have any specifics because theres not enough information to go off of, and like you said before, acting on feelings isn't enough

Obvious remark.

C) I'm waiting for more information to be revealed so that I can contribute to the town by having the facts to figure out who mostly seems like scum

Cheap copout.


Gee, I'm underwhelmed.

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since no one else will I will post some more to het this going. This is my read so far. Some of it is just gut feeling but most importantly I feel i have narrowed down the scum.

Town
Krylea
Fruitsman
Toto
Elhabe21
Titus
Arrow
MlMooney
SHANNON
Scum

What did fruitsman do in his three posts up to this point that warranted such high placement?

What has Elhabe done at all? Even if she's in null range, Titus has done more than her so it still doesn't make sense.

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TL;DR: You're a hypocrite.

VOTE: MOONEY

FWIW: I'm town reading Toto

and Mooney

at the moment.

What a flip. How did that come about?

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Three posts seems a little premature for such a high tr.

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Ok, first things first, I don't feel great about Shannon, almost as if they're avoiding me. The action around their wagon is suspect. We can look to see who is NOT put at L minus 1. Claims happen at l minus 1 and claiming boxes scum in. They'd have a free rolefish if she was town.

Right now, I definitely want a wagon on Shannon.

You've been voting Shannon since rvs.

Are you sure you aren't tunneled?

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"Some of it is just gut feeling"
From what I said and that ^ it just feels right.

I've run across a couple more posts of his since then.

I can dig it.

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Different site metas and different setups process claims differently. Here, we do not want to lynch power roles. Scum are not likely to claim power roles until absolutely needed, so a power role claim gets us another lynch essentially.

A power role claim also gets us a dead pr.

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I'll just wait for you to catch up Grey. I'll be here with my goose.

The one that lays golden eggs?

I can't wait!

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I just didn't want anyone to get on and well no answer, Hammer.

I've got to say, for how urgent this seemed this morning it really is taking scum a while to get organised and hammer me! Maybe they're already on the wagon?

Who

is

was the scum on your wagon?

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People don't blitz hammer.

Yes people do. It's called lolhammering and people are often townread for doing it.

Crazy, I know.

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We claim after L-1 AND intent to hammer from now on. If target is VT we lynch them.

Wow, mass rebellion against an IC and accusing me of cheating for telling you how to play. I have to tell the truth.

I know, right?

I love it.

That's the way claims

should

work.

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Given there are always 2 power roles, 5vts, and 2 scum fucks.

No, there are not always two power roles.

Your assertion that there are is indicative of you being a roleblocker, which is the only role in the matrix that has two town power roles in its builds.

VOTE: Titus

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Actually I forgot about Row three.

UNVOTE:

That's still a fucked up assertion though.

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I don't think "accidentally" voting yourself automatically makes you town.

I agree with you here. But it was Titus who said that, not Shannon. Shannon's willingness to die is anti-town. Not sure if that makes her scum.

Actually it's indicative of town.

Death is anti-scum more than it is anti-town because scum would lose half their team upon the death of a member.

Do math.

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Actually I forgot about Row three.

UNVOTE:

That's still a fucked up assertion though.

Actually, you're right. There is one where there is no second PR. I forgot this revision.

Two.

Row one and column B.

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No. I am not allowed to mislead as to optimal strategy. My duty is to play optimally, tell you what optimal play is, and tell you what site meta is. I want you to have fun and understand everything. I cannot win by deliberately musleading you or failing to correct you.

Sir meta is to claim on L-1

with intent

, but you have directly avoided explaining that.

Why?

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I just read Mandy's ISO. She is scum.

I re-read Mandy's ISO. I don't think she is scum. UNVOTE: Mooney

Please enlighten us as to how that happened.

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It's a recent position I take based on the rise of derp hammers, so no I cannot. It used to be that we could wait for intent to hammer, but some players just hammer anything at L minus 1.

And they are not lynched for it, are they?

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Here's where I'm standing.

fruitsman
Toto
shannon

Srceenplay

Titus
krylea

Elhabe21
Arrowscum

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Since Arrow had my other scumread voting for him, I think I'd rather vote Elhabe.

VOTE: Elhabe

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First time I read it I got the impression she was only posting about game theory. Second time I didn't get such an impression. She posted some non game theory stuff too.

Pedit. I hope you understand our dilemma here

406 please.

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Why Shannon so hi?

401

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First time I read it I got the impression she was only posting about game theory. Second time I didn't get such an impression. She posted some non game theory stuff too.

Pedit. I hope you understand our dilemma here

406 please.

Err that was supposed to answer 406

Derp sorry, been reading for a while and skimmed 410 in my hurry to finish catching up.

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I don't think "accidentally" voting yourself automatically makes you town.

I agree with you here. But it was Titus who said that, not Shannon. Shannon's willingness to die is anti-town. Not sure if that makes her scum.

Actually it's indicative of town.

Death is anti-scum more than it is anti-town because scum would lose half their team upon the death of a member.

Do math.

Its anti town if she is town. It makes our numbers smaller too

Lynching anti-town does not advance my wincon.

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Can you elaborate on why elhabe

No meaningful contributions.

Uninspired questions.

Safe votes.

Concerned about his appearances.

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I don't think "accidentally" voting yourself automatically makes you town.

I agree with you here. But it was Titus who said that, not Shannon. Shannon's willingness to die is anti-town. Not sure if that makes her scum.

Actually it's indicative of town.

Death is anti-scum more than it is anti-town because scum would lose half their team upon the death of a member.

Do math.

Its anti town if she is town. It makes our numbers smaller too

Lynching anti-town does not advance my wincon.

Well it should. Who does an anti town help win?

As long as they remain alive, town.

When they die, they are helping the scum achieve majority.

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Can you elaborate on why elhabe

No meaningful contributions.

Uninspired questions.

Safe votes.

Concerned about

his

her appearances.

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Ok. Let's go about it a different way. What would be the motive to post anti town?

Personality. Playstyle.

Not liking somebody's play is not sufficient grounds to kill them.

Lynching people on the basis that you don't like how they play is a fast track to losing.

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Calling someone anti-town is an admission that you read the person as town.

As long as the role pm is green, they need to live and any consequences for their play needs to come from the moderator if it reaches a point where they're playing against their wincon.

I refuse to sacrifice my wincon (lynch town) to remove a player simply because I disagree with their methods.

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In this case the scum motivation is to pretend you don't care anymore about life hard enough we all believe you. And thats the gut feeling I get from Shannon's attitude.

Scum actually have a lot to lose if their bluff is called on that play.

Town often gets discouraged when wagoned and losses all hope because hey, there are 7 other townies to carry the torch anyway. Scum on the other hand knows that their chances to win get cut drastically with a single correct lynch, especially on d1.

There are times where scum self-hammers, but it's not from despondence. It's to shut down the day and limit communication. It's strategic, not abject.

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I agree with gray on not lynching anti town. Then point is that anti town posting doesn't mean town either.

In this case the scum motivation is to pretend you don't care anymore about life hard enough we all believe you. And thats the gut feeling I get from Shannon's attitude.

Im not sure I buy the case on elhabe. But I want to see them scumhunting.

Yeah, the self hammer was a quote error, not a convoluted scheme to appear town.

And I'm not reading her as town over the hammer thing, just for the record.

It was about how she was basically calling for her own lynch to end the day...

It makes no difference, I'm getting lynched today. Let's do it and move on please.

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In other news, it's ridiculous that we already have two claims in d1.

This means that we are likely to out three claims before the day ends.

We are giving scum three chances to uncover a PR on d1.

Even if the third claim is VT, that means scum has narrowed the pool of potential PR's to four players.

This has been a foul d1.

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Feel free to disagree after we get scum. Until then, what I've said is true.

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Plus, Elhabe and Kyrea are likely scum from it.

How so?

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Arrow hasn't been jumping onto anyone but Krylea...so he's not the scum voter.

He's definitely been a lurkadurk though.

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VOTE: Mlmooney

Running out of mislynches? Yes, we wagon, assess the claim and move forward. If the group believes the slot is town, we lynch someone else.

If any single slot wagons everyone and their brother but buys every claim, that's hard data of scum influence.

Hrm.

You don't fit.

Hrm.

So. Did you change your mind? If so, why?

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VOTE: Mlmooney

Running out of mislynches? Yes, we wagon, assess the claim and move forward. If the group believes the slot is town, we lynch someone else.

If any single slot wagons everyone and their brother but buys every claim, that's hard data of scum influence.

Hrm.

You don't fit.

Hrm.

So. Did you change your mind? If so, why?

The sub out. Reads more frustrated town than scum caught with hand in cookie jar.

There is a thread in the Mafia Discussion forum I think you should read. I'll talk to you post-game.

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Let's test it on Elhabe.

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Ill join the wagon only if we do it the old fashioned way. Krylea coming on board?

I prefer claiming after intent as well.

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As much as we've beaten the quick-hammer = scum thing into the ground, I highly doubt anyone is likely to jump the gun this game.

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Soooo let me get this straight: I was wagoned, and not people are wagoning the person I'm scum reading? OK. Sounds plausible. First thing to do tomorrow, compare names.

I support the hammer, by the way.

You're pretty obvtown, so... yeah.

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Welcome, Hellfire!

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It would be nice to see something from Hellfire Missile before lock...

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Putting Hellfire on my avoid list.

Replacing in just to replace out after five posts is rude as hell.

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Stop wagoning obvtown Titus.

Arrow/Hellfire is our scum. Arrow scummed it up pretty heavy on d1 and I'm thinking Hellfire wasn't up to the damage control.

The only reason I'm not already voting there is because it's an abandoned slot.

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Yeah, that's Titus's partner you are correct.

Okay... at least tell me why she's scum.

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Stop wagoning obvtown Titus.

Arrow/Hellfire is our scum. Arrow scummed it up pretty heavy on d1 and I'm thinking Hellfire wasn't up to the damage control.

The only reason I'm not already voting there is because it's an abandoned slot.

Actually Arrow is pretty null after an ISO reread and idk why Hellfire wasn't up to playing the slot.

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Yeah, that's Titus's partner you are correct.

Okay... at least tell me why she's scum.

She hasn't done anything townie?

That would make her null. Not scum.

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Why is she obvtown though?

I'm familiar with her play. Not overly so, but enough.

I can't really go into detail, but Titus and I are pretty decent at working together and learning to read each other pretty well.

I'll need considerably more than a nullcase to vote her.

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My main problem is her town read on Shannon after the 'self vote' and mysterious twilight question. Her answer is that she's never seen scum hammer themselves by accident after I probed a while. It doesn't make any sense to me.

What's your read of me?

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leaning town.

Even though I townread Shannon?

That's odd.

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Why is Shannon scum?

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Why do you think she's scummy?

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My townread on her was gut over her lack of self-preservation.

I'll take another read over her ISO.

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I can't really go into detail

Why can't you?

Site rules forbid it. That's all I can say at this time.

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TL;DR: You're a hypocrite.

VOTE: MOONEY

FWIW: I'm town reading Toto

and Mooney

at the moment.

What a flip. How did that come about?

Shannon, please respond.

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TL;DR: You're a hypocrite.

VOTE: MOONEY

FWIW: I'm town reading Toto

and Mooney

at the moment.

What a flip. How did that come about?

Shannon, please respond.

VOTE: shannon

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will try and be more active than Arrow or Missle were

Shouldn't be too difficult.

Welcome!

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Ack so sorry guys still catching up my other game was picking up steam and I have been trying to get notes together. Initial reads are Toto Town, Krylea Town and Fruitsman softTown. Liking Toto's read believe at least one of Grey, Titus, Shannon are scum.

That's a start. Puck one and vote.

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Pick*

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Oh hey are we finally down for a shannon wagon? I am so fucking down for a shannon wagon.

VOTE: shannon

That is l minus 1

No hasty hammers today. *looks at fruit*

You mean like this?

VOTE: shannon

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Fucking shit. It's grey and Titus. Guys if Shannon is town. I didn't get a chance to explain my reads but basically I wasn't buying the accidental self hammer d1 or a few other things. I feel like this is my fault for trying to juggle Christmas stuff and writing out my reads!

Aw, you're so cute.

So panicky.

So adorable.

So town.

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Fucking shit. It's grey and Titus. Guys if Shannon is town. I didn't get a chance to explain my reads but basically I wasn't buying the accidental self hammer d1 or a few other things. I feel like this is my fault for trying to juggle Christmas stuff and writing out my reads!

Aw, you're so cute.

So panicky.

So adorable.

So town.

Nah, that's probably scum flail.

It is 100% krylea.

How is it Scum flail when he doesn't have any votes?

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Titus, calling Hawk scum flailing doesn't make any sense at all unless you think he's flailing to protect his partner, but that isn't the case because he's on the Shannon wagon which is the only one going on atm.

Unless you're scumreading Shannon, there's no way you should see his post as scum flail, but you're scumreading him and krylea.

It doesn't add up.

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UNVOTE:

Not comfortable with L-1 atm.

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When they start to feel out of control or something is going wrong, they get disproportionally upset.

Why would Hawk feel out of control here?

Considering he's not up for lynch and supports the only active wagon, what's going wrong for him?

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Fucking shit. It's grey and Titus. Guys if Shannon is town. I didn't get a chance to explain my reads but basically I wasn't buying the accidental self hammer d1 or a few other things. I feel like this is my fault for trying to juggle Christmas stuff and writing out my reads!

This doesn't read like someone in control. It's fake, over the top. Rushed.

This post doesn't give w his vote on Shannon. He's not acting confident in his vote at all.

Context, Titus.

He thought I hammered and he was rushing to get his reads out before the mod locked the thread.

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Fucking shit. It's grey and Titus. Guys if Shannon is town. I didn't get a chance to explain my reads but basically I wasn't buying the accidental self hammer d1 or a few other things. I feel like this is my fault for trying to juggle Christmas stuff and writing out my reads!

The wagon obviously isn't hammered. If you're scumreading me and Titus, why are you still voting shannon?

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Why am I Scum?

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Don't you find it odd that there is no counterwagon to the shannon wagon?

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That flipped read on Titus has me feeling better about my shannon read.

VOTE: shannon

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You derpcleared yourself

How so?

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You derpcleared yourself

How so?

The self vote accident

Screwing up quote tags does not clear anyone.

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Making a mistake does not confirm shannon as town.

You cannot say that she would be incapable of fucking up quote tags as scum.

Seriously, learn the definition of mistake.

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UNVOTE:

Why did you Unvote Shannon?

She didn't invite Shannon, she unvoted Titus.

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UNVOTE:

Why did you Unvote Shannon?

She didn't unvote Shannon, she unvoted Titus.

FU autocorrect, lol

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Sorry guys I thought that there were only a few vanilla town

Why are you worried about it?

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#top

Like a boss.

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zzz

Titus, if you hammer shannon I'll vote Hawk if she flips green. I just don't see shannon being town here.

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Way wrong answer.

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Titus, how is shannon a townread? Walk me through it.

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Titus seems convinced Shannon is town just because of a post error d1. Literally no reasoning for scummy behavior before or later.

Yeah. I'm finding it hard to believe that her hard townread of shannon due to a mechanical error could possibly come from a town mindset.

VOTE: Titus

I've asked you several times about your townread of shannon because I kept hoping there was more to it, but it just doesn't sound like something town would pin such a hard read on.

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Okay here me out here Titus. And answer this. Do you think Shannon derpcleared herself cause she is new and self hammered or do you honestly give her that cleaner no matter her experience level say she was also an IC? Just clarifying

To make it 100% clear what happened: The quote tags got mucked up because I was doing quotes in quotes. The part of the quote where someone voted me ended up *out* of the quote and *in* my main post. That's all. Not alignment indicative or even experience indicative, just shit BB skills indicative.

Which is why Titus townreading you for it is bullshit.

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I don't know what to tell you, except to vote for your scum reads. But they shouldn't include me.

Who am I voting, and why are you not?

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@creature hawk is voting shannon

We only have one day left.

VOTE: shannon

That should be l-1

Vote gambits are worthless when they're directly under a VC.

Just... Saying...

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Spoiler:

: Is it alright if they decide to do the rithual without their leader?
: I think they're only focused on killing themselves. Why are you asking?
: Because so far their leader didn't appear.
: Damn, he must be preparing something.

Votecount 2.4

Votecount 2.4

[0] -Grey-
[0] JustDanceWorld
[2] krylea - shannon, Titus
[0] Hawk
[0] Toto
[1] shannon - krylea
[2] Titus - Toto, -Grey-

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: JustDanceWorld, Hawk

7 players are alive, therefore 4 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-01-04 09:45:00)

VOTE: shannon

With Toto's vote, mine puts shannon at L-1.

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I think you were spot on before Titus... I think it's JDW and Krylea... I'm sorry I thought Shannon was Scum...

I don't see scum!krylea leaving town!Titus alive this long. And I

really

don't see krylea shooting Toto, who would have been her biggest ally today.

I think there is a good chance that krylea is being set up to be the MyLo lynch.

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Fine then lynch JDW. If you're trying to make it seem like I'm Scum Grey you're sadly mistaken... Why would I kill Toto. You Said it yourself. The only people who would want to kill Toto are Titus if Titus is scum and his partner is JDW or you. Unless the Krylea case is amazing distancing.

VOTE: JDW

No, I don't think you're scum.

If I did, I wouldn't be talking to you.

I think the Scum team is Titus & JDW. Where do you get that I was trying to call you scum?

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Ok, everyone scumreads JDW. A planned bus really doesn't nake sense at this point of the game.

Everyone doesn't.

You haven't expressed a scumread of JDW, and you don't believe in bussing.

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Yeah this right here. I think that if Shannon doesn't derpclear and fuck up the BBCode that she gets lynched D1 and we flip her as Scum. If she Flips as town then we have most likely Elhabe left and we're in a similar situation where we are possibly leaning one of them. This puts us to a point where I think fruits slot is possibly Scum. But Shannon making it through d1 by the seat of her pants hasn't to me stated anything that couldn't be clever scum taking advantage of a lucky break.

She gets mislynched as town.

It's K and JDW.

I am never ever voting Shannon. I will no lynch before that happens. The thing is you refuse to listen.

Correction... you haven't expressed a scumread of JDW TODAY.

You distanced from him yesterday, but have made no effort whatsoever to push him like Hawk and krylea did today.

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If you are town, why does ANY scum shoot Toto when he had declared a blood feud against you?

JDW may or may not be your buddy, but Toto dying last night has to be a scum!Titus shot because otherwise he'd have been the scum MVP today.

VOTE: Titus

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Also Grey why vote Titus and not JDW?

Because I've been scumreading Titus since yesterday, and the NK has her name all over it.

Toto and I were both calling Titus scum, but Toto was by far the loudest of the two of us, and thus the biggest threat to her.

I'm 100% on her being scum, whereas I'm like, 85% on JDW being her buddy. His fake-hammer on her wagon yesterday does make me go ehhhhh.

We need to go with the certain scum, then take out her partner.

[-Grey-]

I figured Toto would flip his read on Titus if left alive, I wanted to kill him to lock in the blood lust.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: krylea

Megabus ftw

[-Grey-]

Mafia PT (released if both mafia accept or if 24 hours passes)

I'm fine with this if krylea is.

[-Grey-]

Well well, hopefully we all learned something from this experience. Can't wait to see the scum PT ... and Titus's after game assessment.

This game has taught me that playing scum is far more work than playing town, lol.

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Toto

VOTE: Toto

Trying too hard.

I can smell the bloodlust in you.

LITTLE DID HE KNOW!

[-Grey-]

VOTE: Mlmooney

Running out of mislynches? Yes, we wagon, assess the claim and move forward. If the group believes the slot is town, we lynch someone else.

If any single slot wagons everyone and their brother but buys every claim, that's hard data of scum influence.

Hrm.

You don't fit.

Hrm.

So. Did you change your mind? If so, why?

The sub out. Reads more frustrated town than scum caught with hand in cookie jar.

There is a thread in the Mafia Discussion forum I think you should read. I'll talk to you post-game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=69253

[-Grey-]

Spoiler:

: Is it alright if they decide to do the rithual without their leader?
: I think they're only focused on killing themselves. Why are you asking?
: Because so far their leader didn't appear.
: Damn, he must be preparing something.

Votecount 2.4

Votecount 2.4

[0] -Grey-
[0] JustDanceWorld
[2] krylea - shannon, Titus
[0] Hawk
[0] Toto
[1] shannon - krylea
[2] Titus - Toto, -Grey-

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: JustDanceWorld, Hawk

7 players are alive, therefore 4 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2017-01-04 09:45:00)

VOTE: shannon

With Toto's vote, mine puts shannon at L-1.

My fake hammer earlier in the game should have made this post look fake as hell btw.

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VOTE: Mlmooney

Running out of mislynches? Yes, we wagon, assess the claim and move forward. If the group believes the slot is town, we lynch someone else.

If any single slot wagons everyone and their brother but buys every claim, that's hard data of scum influence.

Hrm.

You don't fit.

Hrm.

So. Did you change your mind? If so, why?

The sub out. Reads more frustrated town than scum caught with hand in cookie jar.

There is a thread in the Mafia Discussion forum I think you should read. I'll talk to you post-game.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=69253

Clean slates are the worst possible thing to do.

There's a reason that if a player is being run up and then needs to be replaced, most of the time,

the town lynches the slot

.
They're not gonna bother with the shit a replacement will give, since the replacement won't do anything to change people's minds.

Excellent post, imho.

[-Grey-]

Seriously wp Grey, you carried that for us.

Nonsense, you kept us on track of letting me shoot Hawk.

That was the right call, and you deserve credit for it.

[-Grey-]

Seriously wp Grey, you carried that for us.

Nonsense, you kept us on track instead of letting me shoot Hawk.

That was the right call, and you deserve credit for it.

Edit.

[-Grey-]

GG both of you.

GJ being so town we had to kill you n1, lol.

[-Grey-]

Yeah. I am one of the few off the cuff scum players.


I was this close but when I saw grey was the partner, turbo lynch.

<3

[-Grey-]

All that doesn't explain your actions after Shannon was lynched and confirmed town, lol.

[-Grey-]

I had an unvote post prepped in another tab incase I sus'd a fast hammer....

When you're the one putting the wagon at L-1, it's impossible to unvote fast enough, lol.

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Question Grey if we had managed to lynch Krylea who would you have shot?

Titus, hand down.

One way or the other, she had to go.

[-Grey-]

I was feeling fairly safe cause I didn't think Titus Kreuk was the scum pair and knew I might have a bit before you would be on considering timezones Grey.

Never make the mistake of assuming that I operate within a specific timezone.

I keep super weird hours. Check my post history.

[-Grey-]

Maybe, but I hate pushing it to the wire unless absolutely necessary.

The longer the game goes on, the worse odds get.