Newbie 1515: Old-Timey Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Bins]

No.

[Boonskiies]

Understandable. But we still need to lynch Thesp.

@Brian - Need you to post, buddy.

[Thesp]

I like how he completely cuts out the fact of my explanation on it.

What explanation? You go to great lengths about how you started to believe Jake from State Farm about him being a townie, but you couldn't go back on your claim at that juncture,

yet you have never explained why you as town would have made a fake guilty claim in the first place

. You've hammered on the Tracker claim switch to the Cop claim as if that's the egregious thing about your play. You blast me for not claiming yesterday, then when it's pointed out that Jake from State Farm agreed I not claim yesterday, you handwave it away as Appeal to Emotion (which doesn't make any sense whatsoever). You're simply ignoring facts and gamestate in hopes that you can get one person to waver and vote me.

Can you explain why an investigative role would fakeclaim a guilty investigation on someone they didn't know was actually scum? Because it's patently obvious why scum would do that. I'm all ears.

We've got to lynch Boonskiies today or we lose. If he's a roleblocker, we win outright (as the doc can protect me and I can get a clean investigation). If not, we're still in good shape tomorrow (especially since it's probably Honey Bee at this point).

[Thesp]

I like how I'm probably the dumbest town ever if I lynch Thesp but I still think he's scum.

Why do you think I'm scum?

[Thesp]

I'm going to bed now. This game has not been good for my sleep. :/

[Boonskiies]

I'm the one ignoring statements? I have clearly given every reasoning for everything I've been asked of. You, being ignorant, albeit you are scum so it's not true ignorance, are refusing to acknowledge my post/not even reading because you are scum. Seriously...we need to end this game. Vote me and end it now, or vote Thesp, and then we get our night break.

[Bins]

Uhm. HOW ABOUT THE SLEEP I'VE BEEN GETTING?!

I'm saying I'm going to vote Thesp, Boon. But I'm still seriously considering lynching you out of policy.

[Boonskiies]

That is going against your win condition if you are town, but I really don't give a fuck anymore, so do whatever the hell you want.

[Boonskiies]

I'm not going to post anymore on this thread, so do what you will. I will make my investigation if you people are competent enough to hit scum, I'll place my vote, and then this game is over.

[Bins]

I know this was ignored.

But were there ANY crumbs? I expected this from you, Thesp.

[Boonskiies]

Gah, my freaking thrive to actually want to win the game keeps me posting. I will hammer myself if someone votes me other than thesp/honey. Just to end this dreaded game.

I have absolutely no crumbs. Everything about me has been said.

BRIAN POSSSSTTTT!!!!!!!

[Thesp]

I know this was ignored.

But were there ANY crumbs? I expected this from you, Thesp.

Sorry I missed this question. No, I didn't crumb. I didn't crumb D1. By the time I posted on D2, Boonskiies had already claimed to draw me out, and I didn't want to tip my hand, so I didn't crumb then. I also didn't crumb D3 because I was pondering whether we should claim at all (when the claiming started happening anyway), and I wanted to continue keeping my hands close to my chest, especially since I still wasn't sure if we had a Doctor or not.

[Honey bee]

The thing about night kills is that scum don't kill in the same ways, and have reasons to kill people more than just "they were really town". There's power role hunting, there's killing people for the purpose of WIFOM of the reason why, there's killing people just because they don't think the person will benefit them in the long run, etc. Scum aren't oblivious to the way townies will look at their kill and try to outguess the scum. That's why other methods than killing the towniest person to keep ahead of town.

Also, from personal experience I don't like NK analysis, because I lost a game because I tried it. I don't have the game unfortunately because the website server crashed and erased it, But I will provide you an example of scum team who had used the night kill as WIFOM.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=21338 < game.
http://quicktopic.com/47/H/AgDGkULj6gP < scum topic

This game isn't mine, but my friend was in it (CCV). Day one she was killed because she targeted only the lynch target.
So yeah, night kill analysis has its place (multiball) but otherwise I don't ever use it. I don't know why Cheery and Gott were killed, and the only reasons I could come up with could be just what the scum team wants me to think.

And I agree that boon could not have guessed to claim cop if thesp and brian were both power roles, but that only clears me and you as boon's partner, and you were already cleared by thesp. Otherwise, the vote is just inbetween which claims are right and which are wrong.

@Honey - you need to post. You've been online since. Post.

Ok, A. No B. Why are you asking me for posts when you completely ignored my post about you?

[Thesp]

Boonskiies, two things:

I'm the one ignoring statements? I have clearly given every reasoning for everything I've been asked of.

(1) Can you do me a favor, then? Can you quote the part where you answered this question? I've double- and triple-checked your posts, and I don't see it. If not, can you just answer it?

Can you explain why an investigative role would fakeclaim a guilty investigation on someone they didn't know was actually scum? Because it's patently obvious why scum would do that. I'm all ears.

(2) Also, can you explain what you meant by this post?

AtE on his part. And at this point, I'd like to wait for Honey/Brian to chime in. Please...see it.

If you've "given reasoning for everything I've been asked of", then it should be trivial to quote where you addressed these (particularly the first), or you can otherwise explain them.

[Brian Skies]

Thesp, I thought you had a townread on Gottemer, why'd you cop him N1?

Good question. A couple of reasons - he had been getting some heat early (which I thought would continue later in the game), and I wanted a bit more backup on him. He also hadn't really put a lot out there, so it was partially a sanity check. I also figured he wouldn't be nightkilled, so I'd have an investigation that could stand until it came claim time.

It makes some sense. But why not check one of your scumreads, though?

BoroPhil, Boonskiies, and Jake from State Farm are in the "want to face murder" pile.

^?

They were already getting enough heat and discussion. My cop play is a bit different from what appears to be the norm - I usually investigate players with the least information out there, and who I think are unlikely to be nightkilled. Jake from State Farm already had volumes written by and about him and was generating heat like crazy, and I figured he wouldn't make it to the endgame. I actually figured Boonskiies was going to get lynched on D2 (and was certainly going to be the prime lynch target), and didn't want to out myself having to defend the indefensible (if he was innocent) or lynch someone we would probably lynch anyway (if he was guilty). Cop investigations are most invaluable if the cop can stay underground for a few nights, and surface with several results on living players.

The only part I think is outside of the norm is your sanity check. Other than that, I think that's how I would have played the role if I had it, except I would have checked one of my null reads.

Brian's read is just reading like planning ahead as boons partner because he says he believed I was town and now says I have a scummy connection with boonskiies.

So if we do lynch boon and he turns scum, I'm guilty by association.

Thesp claimed an innocent on Bins. You should have a mirrored perspective.

God dammit. See, I think Boon's town.

I don't. His play makes a lot of sense to me as a scum player who had a roleblocker on his team and he wanted to take advantage of it. If I'm wrong, I'm already over it.

And I agree that boon could not have guessed to claim cop if thesp and brian were both power roles, but that only clears me and you as boon's partner, and you were already cleared by thesp. Otherwise, the vote is just inbetween which claims are right and which are wrong.

I'm sorry. How are you clear from being Boons' partner again?

[Brian Skies]

Vote: Boonskiies

[Honey bee]

VOTE: Boonskiies

[Honey bee]

sorry guys :(

[Honey bee]

THESP WTF WHY DIDN"T YOU HIGH 5 ME

[Honey bee]

ok I got to go to work but this game was sad.

[Bins]

God, dammit.

[Bins]

I wanted to vote Thesp but it legit pairs me to go with the guy who fake claimed as town to mislynch.

Ugh, this hurts.

[Bins]

*pained

[Thesp]

I wanted to vote Thesp but it legit pairs me to go with the guy who fake claimed as town to mislynch.

Ugh, this hurts.

Boonskiies doesn't deserve to win this game. All 4 of us today that aren't Boonskiies do.

[Bins]

Yeah, I don't blame Brian for voting him at all.