Llamafluff,
Teen Girl Squad,
Shiro,
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Role Distribution:
Shiro - Mafia Roleblocker
Bullish - VT
Fluminator - Town Cop
notscience - VT
Teen Girl Squad - VT
DrCirno - Town Doctor
TheFuzzylogic99 (SE) - Mafia Goon
tn5421 (SE) - VT
Llamafluff (IC) - VT
Night 1:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (resolves)
Fluminator - Investigate: tn5421 (resolves; Not Mafia)
Shiro - Roleblock: Bullish (resolves)
Shiro - Kill: Fluminator (resolves)
Night 2:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (fails; roleblocked by Shiro)
Shiro - Roleblock: DrCirno (resolves)
Thefuzzylogic99 - Kill: tn5421 (resolves)
Night 3:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (resolves)
Shiro - No kill; Roleblock: TGS (resolves)
Night 4:
DrCirno - Protect: ??? (fails; roleblocked by Shiro)
Shiro - Kill: DrCirno (resolves): Roleblock: DrCirno (resolves)
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Scum PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=58765
Dead PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=58918
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Vanilla Townie
, has been lynched Day 5.Teen Girl Squad,
Vanilla Townie
, has been endgamed Day 5.Shiro,
Mafia Roleblocker
, and TheFuzzylogic99, Mafia Goon
, have won!----
Role Distribution:
Shiro - Mafia Roleblocker
Bullish - VT
Fluminator - Town Cop
notscience - VT
Teen Girl Squad - VT
DrCirno - Town Doctor
TheFuzzylogic99 (SE) - Mafia Goon
tn5421 (SE) - VT
Llamafluff (IC) - VT
Night 1:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (resolves)
Fluminator - Investigate: tn5421 (resolves; Not Mafia)
Shiro - Roleblock: Bullish (resolves)
Shiro - Kill: Fluminator (resolves)
Night 2:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (fails; roleblocked by Shiro)
Shiro - Roleblock: DrCirno (resolves)
Thefuzzylogic99 - Kill: tn5421 (resolves)
Night 3:
DrCirno - Protect: Llamafluff (resolves)
Shiro - No kill; Roleblock: TGS (resolves)
Night 4:
DrCirno - Protect: ??? (fails; roleblocked by Shiro)
Shiro - Kill: DrCirno (resolves): Roleblock: DrCirno (resolves)
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Scum PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=58765
Dead PT: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=58918
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Some notes that I took responding to various things that happened during the game below. I'm making a separate post to address the DrCirno claims.
1) Csareo said early that bypassing RVS is anti-town. No, it’s not. RVS is a tool for starting the game. It’s not a particularly useful one, but when you have no content in the game yet, it’s the most effective one you’ve got. If, by the time you get to the game after it starts, there’s enough content to skip a random vote and progress to serious content-based votes, then that’s REALLY good for town. If you think about it, this is actually pretty obvious: votes based on who you think is scummy are preferable to random votes that have nothing to do with alignment.
2) On the other hand, you should really always be voting someone. Your vote is a tool to scumhunt, and using it to apply pressure is the town’s most effective way of finding scum during the day. When you’re not voting anyone, you’re wasting that tool. Even if you have no scum suspects, pick out something and vote the person who did it to see how they squirm.
3) I majorly disagree with Llama about lists. Lists help hold town accountable, especially early on. They force people to articulate reads on all players, preventing scum from maintaining their flexibility and being able to transition into either a town or scum read on a player depending on whichever is more convenient later on. I DO agree with the idea that town reads lists help scum, but the negative given by those is outweighed by the positive of forcing scum to give reads lists. Of course, I’m assuming that you force all players to give one - if you just give one and allow others to skate by, then what Llama’s saying may be closer to the truth. As a side note, for me personally, they help me organize my thoughts as town - I refer back to my reads lists often to track my own evolution of thinking to ensure nothing is weird (i.e. I wasn’t fooled by someone who I should have paid more attention to).
4) Someone asked if we have more replacements than normal. For newbie games, we have a "normal" amount of replaces, but we're over what I would call average for actual games. This is because newbies are much more likely to start a game and then either find out they don't like it or just lose interest. Once you get into the rest of the queues, replacements will not be as frequent, although they do still happen. You can take a look at games in other queues if you want to get an idea of how frequent replacements actually are.
5) Fuzzy should really have opted to provide fake reasoning for his vote when he tried to quick hammer. There's no detriment to doing so, really, but a naked vote is an instant lynch in LyLo for obvious reasons. He nearly not only got himself lynched but gave away his partner by not putting in the little extra effort to provide fake reasoning for his vote.
6) In LyLo, you have to slow down. There's NEVER a good reason, unless you have a cop guilty on scum or something, to insta-vote in LyLo. TGS seemed to think he should do so to avoid being talked out of his read, but that's only a good strategy if you're right. If you're wrong, you want to be talked out of your read. If you assume that it's more likely that town would convince you they're town than that scum would convince you they're town (which is something you kind of have to assume to play Mafia - that people as scum look different than people as town), then it's obvious that you want to at least let the "talking you out of it" play out, whether or not its successful.
1) Csareo said early that bypassing RVS is anti-town. No, it’s not. RVS is a tool for starting the game. It’s not a particularly useful one, but when you have no content in the game yet, it’s the most effective one you’ve got. If, by the time you get to the game after it starts, there’s enough content to skip a random vote and progress to serious content-based votes, then that’s REALLY good for town. If you think about it, this is actually pretty obvious: votes based on who you think is scummy are preferable to random votes that have nothing to do with alignment.
2) On the other hand, you should really always be voting someone. Your vote is a tool to scumhunt, and using it to apply pressure is the town’s most effective way of finding scum during the day. When you’re not voting anyone, you’re wasting that tool. Even if you have no scum suspects, pick out something and vote the person who did it to see how they squirm.
3) I majorly disagree with Llama about lists. Lists help hold town accountable, especially early on. They force people to articulate reads on all players, preventing scum from maintaining their flexibility and being able to transition into either a town or scum read on a player depending on whichever is more convenient later on. I DO agree with the idea that town reads lists help scum, but the negative given by those is outweighed by the positive of forcing scum to give reads lists. Of course, I’m assuming that you force all players to give one - if you just give one and allow others to skate by, then what Llama’s saying may be closer to the truth. As a side note, for me personally, they help me organize my thoughts as town - I refer back to my reads lists often to track my own evolution of thinking to ensure nothing is weird (i.e. I wasn’t fooled by someone who I should have paid more attention to).
4) Someone asked if we have more replacements than normal. For newbie games, we have a "normal" amount of replaces, but we're over what I would call average for actual games. This is because newbies are much more likely to start a game and then either find out they don't like it or just lose interest. Once you get into the rest of the queues, replacements will not be as frequent, although they do still happen. You can take a look at games in other queues if you want to get an idea of how frequent replacements actually are.
5) Fuzzy should really have opted to provide fake reasoning for his vote when he tried to quick hammer. There's no detriment to doing so, really, but a naked vote is an instant lynch in LyLo for obvious reasons. He nearly not only got himself lynched but gave away his partner by not putting in the little extra effort to provide fake reasoning for his vote.
6) In LyLo, you have to slow down. There's NEVER a good reason, unless you have a cop guilty on scum or something, to insta-vote in LyLo. TGS seemed to think he should do so to avoid being talked out of his read, but that's only a good strategy if you're right. If you're wrong, you want to be talked out of your read. If you assume that it's more likely that town would convince you they're town than that scum would convince you they're town (which is something you kind of have to assume to play Mafia - that people as scum look different than people as town), then it's obvious that you want to at least let the "talking you out of it" play out, whether or not its successful.
