Newbie 1707 - Game Over

[wgeurts]

Hoppic, I did kind say to wait until Id posted the rest of my catch-up. It turned out I had a wedding yesterday and now I've only got mobile access.

Also I like the sound of my trademark scum game being "brainwashing". Seth, if you do flip town I'm sorry. I genuinely think you are scum and all my pushes were honest.

[Jackal711]

SethYazura,

Vanilla Townie

was lynched.

Night 1 deadline is Tuesday, June 1st at 12pm PST which is in (expired on 2016-06-01 12:00:00)

[Mina]

Night is over two days late, so can everyone PM me their night actions? If Jackal does not respond soon, I will open the thread in twenty-four hours from this post and look for a replacement mod.

Hypo-deadline: (expired on 2016-06-03 23:06:44)

[Jackal711]

Night is over two days late, so can everyone PM me their night actions? If Jackal does not respond soon, I will open the thread in twenty-four hours from this post and look for a replacement mod.

Hypo-deadline: (expired on 2016-06-03 23:06:44)

Sorry for the delay, emergency v/la (zero access) due to lack of internet.

Simoyd,

Vanilla Townie

was killed Night 1!

VOTE COUNT 2.0

KaladinStormblessed (0) -
AlpacaAlpaca (0) -
Murph (0) -
Hoppic (0) -
Raskolnikov (0) -
wgeurts (0) -
RedCoyote (0) -

Not Voting: Raskolnikov, Hoppic, Murph, KaladinStormblessed, wgeurts, AlpacaAlpaca, RedCoyote

With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is Thursday June 16tt at 11:15 pm PDT which is in (expired on 2016-06-16 23:15:00)

[wgeurts]

I was completely wrong on Seth it seems, I'm going to reread the entire game and use the information gained now. I do believe this implies that RedCoyote is town though.

[wgeurts]

Murph's early defense of Seth is a really good interaction pointing at him being town at the start of the game.

[wgeurts]

Rask is likely town.

[wgeurts]

Murph is definitely town, as is RC.
Along with me and Rask that limits the pool to {Alpaca, KS, Hoppic}
Of which U currently think Alpaca us town.
I'm most willing to lynch Hoppic right now though.

[wgeurts]

17 pages to go.
Then I'll start walling again.

[wgeurts]

U is I in post 632 by the way

[wgeurts]

Yeah, Hoppic is definitely scum.
And I'd be willing to bet cash that KS also is.
VOTE: Hoppic
Await walls when I'm home, I've reread the entire game and I suggest everyone else does as well.

[Murph]

GG Sim

:poursoneout:

[Murph]

Oh and good morning y'all

[Hoppic]

I can't read the whole thread now, and I'm going to be really busy for the next two days. But I am not Scum. I'm a townie, but yeah, I read the game all wrong. I tunnelled Seth and redcoyote way too much. I need to rethink everything.

[Hoppic]

Oh and good morning y'all

Good morning to you.

[Murph]

I've been doing a quick ISO for each of you first before rereading the entire thread.
I'll also be trying to earn a living so I'd suggest the same from y'all in the interim.

[Murph]

S'up Hop

[RedCoyote]

wgeurts' rush to call myself and Murph town (especially Murph, which seems rather random given how hard he was pushing Seth, their early interactions notwithstanding) after zero input from us starting today gives me very bad vibes. There's something very calculated about posts 629 - 635. Like, I can totally picture wgeurts in a scum tread overnight saying something like, "Okay, I'm going to come out and say, 'Wow, I was really wrong on Seth, let me reread...' and then pivot toward Hoppic". I mean, wgeurts just says he reread the entire game. Granted, Seth flipped town, but what else caused him to do an about face? I'd like to have seen him point to rationale for wanting to start a Hoppic wagon off the bat.

I do really want to hear from KS. Ras is still my top town read, but Alpaca will probably have to fill Sim's slot. I'm not quite as confident on Alpaca as I was on Sim, but I still have a solid townread on him.

[RedCoyote]

FYI, here is the final vote tally of D1:

Unofficial Final Day 1 Votes

SethYazura (5) - Simoyd, wgeurts, AlpacaAlpaca, Raskolnikov, Hoppic
RedCoyote (2) - Murph, KaladinStormblessed
Hoppic (1) - RedCoyote
wgeurts (1) - SethYazura

Frankly, wgeurts coming out immediately against Hoppic tells me it's more likely than not that they aren't scum together. Given Sim's flip, I would say it's exceedingly likely you have one scum in {wgeurts, Alpaca, Ras, Hoppic}. Really, if wgeurts was town and he thought that both myself and Murph were very town, you'd think he'd be wanting to pressure KS right off the bat. Unless he thinks that both scum were on the Seth lynch yesterday.

Anyway, food for thought. I don't want to vote just yet because I really, really need more from KS. All this game I've had a weak town read on him, but there comes a point when you have to get a player to contribute to see if those feelings strengthen or dissipate.

[wgeurts]

wgeurts' rush to call myself and Murph town (especially Murph, which seems rather random given how hard he was pushing Seth, their early interactions notwithstanding) after zero input from us starting today gives me very bad vibes. There's something very calculated about posts 629 - 635. Like, I can totally picture wgeurts in a scum tread overnight saying something like, "Okay, I'm going to come out and say, 'Wow, I was really wrong on Seth, let me reread...' and then pivot toward Hoppic". I mean, wgeurts just says he reread the entire game. Granted, Seth flipped town, but what else caused him to do an about face? I'd like to have seen him point to rationale for wanting to start a Hoppic wagon off the bat.

I do really want to hear from KS. Ras is still my top town read, but Alpaca will probably have to fill Sim's slot. I'm not quite as confident on Alpaca as I was on Sim, but I still have a solid townread on him.

I literally reread the entire thread hunting for associative tells and reforming reads. And you'll be able to fault my reasons once I have PC access and can write my posts regarding everyone. Seth's death provides information, for instance you and Rask especially come out a lot more town (Rask especially so). Sim's death has less information, however also nudges a few people closer to town. The way hoppic went about Seth is pretty bad, as I'll later point out. KS also went about it rather awfully. Through PoE and general analysis I believe those two to be scum. If you think I'm faking this you can wait until I post all my reasons, then you can attempt to see whether I'm faking any logic or using weak reasoning. I dare say you won't be able to.

[wgeurts]

Also quoting over half the player-list and saying there's likely one scum in there is a bit silly, as that's basic probability theory which I can show you if you insist. Also I literally stated I think both scum are on separate wagons as I stated I think KS and Hoppic are scum, Hoppic is the worst of the two as I'll explain and the one I'm more confident in seeing flip read. By what logic is Murph|Town+RC|Town=KS|Prob-Scum?

Anyway here's my reads list which I'll elaborate later:
{wgeurts}
{Rask, Murph}
{Alpaca, RC}
{KS, Hoppic}

[wgeurts]

If I'm wrong on someone it's most likely KS with RC, though I seriously doubt that's the case.

[wgeurts]

Also I started scum-reading Hoppic yesterday, don't you dare accuse me of it being sudden as that's blatantly false.

[wgeurts]

I need to cut down on using "also".

[KaladinStormblessed]

Rc, while I agree that there's probably a scum hidden on the seth wagon, it was a very easy lynch, and both wouldn't have been on it, imo one of the people not ok n seth is scum, and seth is dead which leaves Murph and Rc, on of you is scum, and right now I'm about 60-40 on it being RC over murph.