Blitz 13 - Bad Omens (Judgment)

[Ranger]

Early signs indicate Anxiety Attack and Usted are more likely scum than other players.

VOTE: Anxiety Attack.

[Ranger]

(That carried the implication everyone else was varying degrees of town on page one. Nothing changes on page two. I'll get the exact list up when caught up.)

[Ranger]

(That carried the implication that everyone else on page one was varying degrees of town. Page two did nothing to change that. I will give you the exact order via list when I get caught up, but that may take a disproportionately large amount of time since my internet seems to be a little bit on the fritz and this is the fourth or fifth time I've tried to submit this message.)

[Ranger]

Really tempted to just skip reading altogether, since I've read four additional pages (through six) and not a single thing really worth commenting on.

But I've effectively only got one page left, so might as well.

[Ranger]

Ranger is posting elsewhere and not here

Yes, Matt, it's called being in more than one game at a time. I am currently posting here and not elsewhere, which would open me up to that same comment in another game. One game at a time. I can't post in them all simultaneously, that just doesn't work. I have a hard enough time keeping track of players in a single game when I only have the one tab open, thank you very much.

Page one of the game indicates to you that everyone on that page was varying degrees of town and Anxiety and Usted are scum partners

Not precisely. Everyone else was varying degrees of town, Usted was actually ambivalent, and Anxiety is a scumread.

They actually don't have anything which says "scumbuddies" or "not scumbuddies". It's just that there are two scum and to varying degrees I townread the rest of the playerlist, so by default, scum.

And no new opinions for page 2? It's page 1 that was super content worthy to you, but page 2 didn't do anything?

Nothing that page one didn't already tell me. It was the same people posting, and the reads didn't change. Maybe the exact order of the townreads did, but townreads are townreads; scumreads are scumreads. And they all remained as-was. Still do.

[Ranger]

As promised:
{Wisdom, OceanWind}
{LucianRoy}
{MattP, pisskop}
{hi im Yakko}
{Usted}
{Anxiety Attack}

The areas where I've got the least accuracy are MattP/pisskop/Yakko; I'll have to take another look or two at them to be sure of their placing. (Probably higher.)

[Ranger]

Nah, I isoed all three. Fairly comfortable with my callout.

[Ranger]

You ISO'd all three in a little less than three seconds?

Three minutes, and I'll admit: I cheated. I

did

read Yakko (it's short), and pisskop (short enough), but I skimmed Matt.

[Ranger]

In page 1 Yakko only posted this:

Keep in mind on my home site, the RVS is a

really big thing

. We constantly scumhunt from it, and we've refined it to an art. I know from experience this site doesn't treat the RVS seriously because they think it's random. To you that was just an RVS. To me, that was a weak indicator (note Yakko's placement on my list) that Yakko was making a natural RVS, which blended in with the town.

Ocean posted only this:

Anxiety, but yes, that post stood out as being

incredibly

unnatural from Silver Wolf; it instantly sent strong scum vibes to me, thus the scumread on Anxiety Attack.

Lucian only this:

Lucian noticed the unnatural nature of Anxiety Attack's RVS vote, and thus, became one of my strongest townreads. (I think my strongest on page one, actually. OceanWind and Wisdom surpassing Lucian happened from page two+ stuff.)

[Ranger]

And on top of that, please explain how Ocean's and Lucian's single quoted posts above made them two of your three highest townreads in the game, since your reads haven't changed at all since the 1st page of the game

As I said, the reads

did

change a little...just the exact ordering. The town list from page one got shuffled around on the later pages.

Lucian went down, Ocean (and Wisdom) went up, based off of their later posts.

[Ranger]

Hmm...though in hindsight, maybe Wisdom

is

too high. I'll have to give a look at his iso.

[Ranger]

He literally only posted a vote with no other text

Yes, exactly. He started the bandwagon on Wisdom by being the second vote, with absolutely no reasoning.

That's no solid town-tell, but it's an indicator that Yakko is more likely than not to be town.

[Ranger]

Develop reads, yes, but if you think I will be relying exclusively on them, no.

I simply have nothing better to press on at the moment.

[Ranger]

This is a scum post as ustes is clearly noob town.

noob != town.
I'm quite aware Ustes is a newb.
I'm also quite aware that means my read on him is rather weak.
But all the same...all the other players are town, so Utes and Anxiety Attack, particularly the actually scummy player Anxiety Attack, are scum.

(I could be wrong on a townread, but I don't think I'm wrong on my Anxiety Attack scumread. I don't think my vote will be moving at all.)

[Ranger]

Elaboration please.

Not exactly in a good mood right now, so I'd prefer not to, sorry. If my mood improves, I could go post-by-post and show why everyone on the page looks town except Ustad (various shades of null) and Anxiety Attack, but for the time being: just read my iso. Existing in my posts already is enough to convey the general idea: I gave why Anxiety Attack's opener was scummy and other openers looked town.

[Ranger]

Tangent:

Ranger is not doing what you're saying

he's

doing.

I need to switch my avatar to a female scientist or something. >_< /tangent.

Also ranger not reading and then trying to discredit the town reads already made is scummy as fuck

Ironically enough this is a discredit of my content: I read the first page, gave my reads, read the rest of the game, gave a refined version of the reads, and that is the polar opposite of discrediting townreads.

[Ranger]

???

oh crap this is a straight up mountainous game

Proof that Ether is not, in fact, a robot.

(Not a townslip, in my opinion.)

UNVOTE: Anxiety Attack.
I need to re-think my reads. All of them. Maybe Anxiety Attack is scum, maybe not, but they no longer look like scum to me, so for the moment, I'm not comfortable voting there. That said,

its rangers inactivity. Town ranger would of posted a lot more by now. I dont get how hard that is to grasp.

Burn in hell, ika. Questioning activity is something you should never bring into a game.

Once or twice a day.
No more, no less. Exception of Saturday, which I took off the entirety of for personal reasons and because I thought there wouldn't be anything happening that day.

[Ranger]

I think that might be the strangest thing anyone has ever said to me in a game!

On the one hand: I liked your case.

On the other: I think Yakko's response is perhaps the towniest response ever. Both saying that Yakko cannot mystically develop a read on me (I don't think Yakko says this), and the sheer

bravado

behind thinking your case is a good case for Yakko being town.

And page thirteen is making me re-reconsider my read on Anxiety Attack. This sucks. I hate not being confident.

[Ranger]

A small part of me wants to suggest a crazy scumteam theory of Wisdom and Anxiety Attack off of their interactions on page 14, but that's probably crazy talk.

[Ranger]

Annoying as Yakko is, I'm leaning towards him being probably town from his responses.

This is my stance as well: Yakko has been posting strongly, especially in the field of explaining actions. I need to give the entire game a re-think, but if I were to offer a list right now, Yakko would be topping the charts town-wise.

[Ranger]

I really don't put too much stock into voting someone based off their RVS vote when there's already seven pages down.

That's your right, but you miss out on so much thinking that way. ;)

why enter a pretty advanced game and go solely off RVS; creating a convicted list of reads off what seems to be only RVS?

The RVS is the most important part of the game. While not all content following it is irrelevant, most of it is fluff that doesn't alter my opinion on players. You see seven pages at the time. I saw about six pages of almost-entirely-worthless material which did nothing to change the opinions I formed from one page: the first. (Minor ordering aside.)

He may not be new to the game, but he's new to mafiascum.

How many games do you need completed before that stops being true? I have eleven completed games on here. That's more than you have. (Going by the definition of "completely finished".) In addition to my five years of mafia-playing experience elsewhere, I'd say that makes me no longer new.

Yakko seems to be going a bit minimalist here.

Why do you call Yakko out for this and not me? I'm more guilty of being a minimalist than Yakko is.

Ranger, don't you hav any scumgames

Blitz 1 (C9++) and Blitz 7 (Hardcore Mafia--nightless no flip). Not a great sample size, since Blitz 7 had special mechanics and my play there was highly unusual for me, period, and that leaves just Blitz 1.

[Ranger]

Why not? You think pisskop faked not knowing what the setup is?

I've little doubt pisskop legitimately did not know the setup.

I see no reason a scum-pisskop cannot know the setup.

If I were to guess, he is town anyway, but I am certainly not going to make the assumption he is town off of one post like that.

[Ranger]

I mean I personally give no weight to pisskop's "slip" but I also don't care because I'm townreading him anyway and I trust I'll read him correctly over time anyway without giving him some easy WIFOMy copout

You said it more eloquently than I did. But ^this.

[Ranger]

Scum are required to veto in pre-game. It's impossible for them not to know the setup.

Scum are required to veto, yes, but this does not necessitate them knowing the setup: merely them knowing

part

of the setup.

[Ranger]

Arg, I want to get more refined reads up right now, but I don't have the focus for it. I'm going to take a small break from this game, sorry. When I return, with luck, I'll be in a better mind-set for doing the necessary work.

By gut, right now, it'd look something like:
{Yakko}
{MattP, pisskop}
{LucianRoy, OceanWind, Wisdom}
{Anxiety Attack, Usted} (this is Anxiety Attack moving up, not Usted moving down)
I'm not happy with that.

[Ranger]

I'm sorry for having missed the deadline. Titus shouldn't have needed to replaced in.
Though, I wouldn't have done any better, maybe doing slightly worse. Given I submitted this to Ether:

Yakko continues to be my top townread.
pisskop is right behind Yakko, and MattP's pretty high up too.
I'm actually thinking that Anxiety Attack may be town, too.
Then, you get the trio of {Wisdom, LucianRoy, OceanWind}, in which I see one scum.
I'm guessing Wisdom is town, though.
It's a 50/50 split for LucianRoy and OceanWind. With Usted being scum, Usted's interactions suggest LucianRoy is scum.
However, posting-wise, post 653

very

strongly makes me think it's OceanWind as the second scum.

So that's where I currently stand.
{Yakko}
{pisskop, MattP}
{Anxiety Attack, Wisdom}
{LucianRoy}
{OceanWind}
{Usted}.

Whoops!