We could always replace one bad title for Kublai Khan for another! That way, he'd still be our example of what a bad title is, while still getting rid of Khan Man!In post 139, TheButtonmen wrote:but then who will be our example of what a bad title isPsyche wrote:oh yeah
maybe we should finally get rid of "Khan Man"
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That was not an avatar reference, just sayin'.
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Killers songs are not something you really have one fixed interpretation of. Nonsense lyrics are something they do (and are kind-of notorious for), and sure that's *a* possible interpretation of the song (and apparently is the official one), but it's far from the only one. There's enough ambiguity where you can write whatever meaning you want into them. And I feel like that ability to write a spin on things is part of Aristophanes's charm; he can support something that would otherwise superficially be negative, and make it clear he is supporting it because he sees it as a positive thing.In post 439, Psyche wrote:what does the reference to the killers song do? wikipedia says that lyrically the song depicts the jealousy and paranoia of a man who suspects his significant other is cheating on him
despite the name "Mr. Brightside" it seems like the exact opposite of the kind of point you're trying to make
That makes the song reference a perfect fit for his character--the song might officially have a negative connotation with it, but Aristophanes is the type of guy who can put a positive spin on it such that it is agoodthing, matching the upbeat nature of the song's tune rather than the literal nature of the song's given meaning.
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In post 772, Zulfy wrote:Give me what you think is most appropriate
Serious-talk, I actually love this title for Zulfy. Like. Legitimately. I want this title to stay for Zulfy even if all the other titles are reverted because while it might have beenZulfy
most appropriategivenas a bit of a joke, "most appropriate" is something that I feel is a good title for Zulfy ANYWAY.-
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This is another title I think actually has some real value, though it's probably not as good as SKrew's other two titles. (I mean, that's not to say other self-titles don't have value. It's just that this is one where I can REALLY see the value in it, as in, "this could be something I could see being a serious nomination under the old system". Which a lot of the titles aren't.)
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Cheating is against site rules, title should be revoked.In post 920, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm fine with "Cheater"
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Maybe nowadays but I distinctly recall that when I got Unabridged it was nominated by people who overall weren't rather fond of me, for instance.In post 989, PJ. wrote:Not 1 person on site has a title given to them by non-friends. Sorry.-
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I really like that. Ani put it very eloquently.Second.
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To be honest.
I kind-of thought Psyche leaving my title on was part of the April Fools Day prank. I mean the title is quite literally, ":P", so.-
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Thirding Natirasha for Lily Leanan. (Accountant was the first, ffery the second.)
I voted for Nati for good reason. (Well, Natirasha was one of my three votes anyway.) I thought that was one of the better titles given and do think it has merit.-
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I mean playing mafia is already enough of a test in your faith in humanity.In post 1812, SleepyKrew wrote:zakk do you understand why title fairies become grumpy assholes
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I should like to note that those same scummers largely have titles related to artistic contributions on-site. Brandi is one who comes into mind immediately off the top of my head. I'd have to check the history to confirm for sure but I think Ether's title came from a similar venue. There's also a hand-full of titles based on contributions to mafiascum listed. (E.g. mikeburnfire got one for making the two flash pages.) So I'd say there's precedence.In post 1942, Psyche wrote:many users have created MS-centered art, including a lot for various Scummies ceremonies-
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Nominate zakk for the title of Expedience.
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(But really, this.)In post 2083, Nexus wrote:can we have a ban on zakk titles for now pls.-
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In post 2271, vonflare wrote:
"Wisdom"In post 2269, Wisdom wrote:I wish there was something cool at 40k, im almost thereNominate Wisdom for the title of Wisdom.
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(To be honest though the title I'd really like for Wisdom but which I'm pretty sure has already been suggested before and shot down is "Of The One", thanks to the obvious wordplay and how it has multiple dimensions to it as a title, being somewhat self-explanatory and suiting for his style of scumhunting, yet if it got suggested before and shot down then there's probably not a point in re-suggesting it.)-
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Actually fuck it. I'll do it anyway.
Nominate Wisdom for the title of "Of The One".
Wisdom Of The One is a relatively-common term, usually used to refer to a system similar to Wisdom Of The Mod. (There are some technicalities which keep the two from being total synonyms, but they are pretty similar terms all the same. Technical definitions given here.) However, Wisdom Of The One in this case also applies to Wisdom as a mafia player. In my experience with him, Wisdom tends to--for better or for worse--place a disproportionately high level of trust in his own base instincts. He basically trusts his own gut, his own reads, to have a higher level of accuracy than those of others.
Thus...Wisdom Of The One: "I know best", but not with a connotation of negativity. It's just a part of him.
Edit:And actually. I somehow AM the first person to suggest this. I searched Chevre's/SKrew's/Buttonmen's threads and nobody suggested this as a title for him. Wisdom got nominated FOR titles, but not THIS title. I really think this one's actually a good one though. It's not hard to understand; it's appropriate to him; it doesn't carry negative connotations. What more can you ask for?-
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In post 2349, Alchemist21 wrote:In post 2348, Elbirn wrote:
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It shouldn't be; I stole some of your stuff for my own wiki so that means you've got my footprints there to remove the dust.In post 2385, fferyllt wrote:And thank you Psyche for your chronicles of discovery. I hope the dust on that wiki page wasn't too thick!-
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Nominate Ginngie for the title of "High-spirited".
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This is one of the best posts in this thread for a very long time. <3In post 2460, Human Sequencer wrote:idk i just never picked you for a dragonballz fan-
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VOTE: Changing the thread's poll to be about whether to have a title for banned users.-
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That's an odd nomination for an account which has two total posts. The closest I can think of for that being justified is this post here, but were that the case, you'd think a more appropriate nomination would be
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In post 3107, Killthestory wrote:I ACTUALLY LIKED IT EP I THOUGHT IT WAS COOL-
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Shea knows his site history quite well and I can confirm. The rule did not start because of shotty. It was there long, long, LONG before shotty.In post 3112, Thestatusquo wrote:Literally codified in every rule set before shotty. All the way back to Thok.-
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When all of those people have joindates pedating yours and were around with an active involvement in the site culture prior to you even playing mafia here...yes.In post 3120, Firebringer wrote:i guess so, if everyone keeps shouting it, it must be true!-
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Silence is golden.
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Nominate Not Chara for the title of Chara's Alt.
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Boy I remember the days were title fairy policy discussion happened in the title fairy discussion thread rather than in the thread which is supposed to be nominations-specific. Wasn't that a nice thing.-
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This one actually did give me a smile, but ultimately, Aristophanes's title should stay as-is unless he himself says otherwise.
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Huh.
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^Echo, and adding my voice to the
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In post 3721, Alisae wrote:Honestly
everyone who has tittles currently deserves them and no one else really deserves them so...
When you combine these, you get my basic stance: basically everyone who has titles currently deserves them for one reason or another. (People may disagree, but I would STRONGLY recommend against arguing an existing title to be removed, as that's just a lot of unnecessary ~drama~ waiting to happen.)In post 3723, vonflare wrote:there are many people thatdeservetitles but don't have them yet because one good enough has not been suggested/approved.
Most of the people without titles...simply...don't really deserve them. (For instance, there's zero appeal in any scummer having 'doot' as a title as far as I'm concerned.) That doesn't mean that all people without titles don't deserve them; there are plenty of people like RadiantCowbells who most definitively DO deserve them...
...But the problem there is, none which aregoodenough have been suggested. Sure, yeah, there's no such thing as a "perfect title", in that perfection is the enemy of good. A title doesn't need to be perfect. Heck, a title doesn't even need to be 'great'. But a titleshouldat least be "good", as it were. In short, just because we'll never find a perfect title doesn't mean we shouldn't holdstandardsfor titles. And thusfar, by and large, we simply don't have nominations which are at the level where they meet the standard.
And time and time again, history has shown that almost every single attempt to force a title will fall short of the standard because...it was forced. Good+ titles just come naturally. They exist, and people can honestly, seriously, genuinely look at them and go "oh yeah that works!". When I see a good title, even if I don't understand the full context, I can support it because I can justrecognizeit as a good title.
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Perhaps that is not the best of wording. What I more mean there is more or less that you can be a great user with a strong established site presence, and be the type of person when a title is suggested to receive the reaction of "A title for this user WOULD be nice, but what was suggested isn't good enough", essentially.In post 3729, SleepyKrew wrote:There's no such thing as deserving a title.
As in, there is adesirefor the scummer to receive a title, but in spite of the desire, no suitable title has materialized for them. RadiantCowbells is an excellent example of that model for me; he's had at least two or three attempts to title him which lasted for long periods and the general consensus was exactly that--"He could have a title, but not these titles because these titles aren't good enough", basically.
If I had to give it a succinct definition, it'd be:
"Scummers who are the same type of scummer as scummers who already have titles, yet do not possess one".
So that creates a feeling of, they "should" have a title; they "deserve" a title.
Obviously nobody's inherently deserving of a title or really entitled to one, but it makes a quick shorthand for point of reference. (It's easier to say "RadiantCowbells should have/deserves a title" than it is, "RadiantCowbells is the type of scummer who would have a title yet he currently does not possess one and my desire is for that to change".)-
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Limitations have progressively been removed, I suppose, but saying there isn't a type of scummer that has a title isn't true.In post 3736, SleepyKrew wrote:Anyone can have a title. There is no type of scummer that has a title.
We used to have minimum requirements before a user was eligible for a title.
We used to have different requirements on what warranted validity of a title.
These metrics were things which when they existed defined a type of scummer who would get a title--they had to fulfill the requirements we set.
Said requirements have been loosened and even removed with time, but they existed long enough to be ingrained in site culture, more or less.
You don't see a newbie who just finished their first game nominating a user for a title in spite of there being no rule preventing them from doing so;
You don't see a newbie who just finished their first game being nominated for a title in spite of there being no rule preventing them from doing so.
So while in THEORY anyone can have a title. While in THEORY there is no restrictions. By site culture. There are still restrictions. You don't nominate certain things; you don't approve certain things, etc. So yes, there is a type of scummer that has a title. This type of scummer is very, very, very broadly defined, sure, yes. But it exists all the same even though there's no rule about it.-
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I willIn post 3754, Ellibereth wrote:I hereby propose this new title. Why it is appropriate should be clear to anyone who has ever played a game that they have modded.
lolbalanceNththis title, including the spoilers and the rainbow text. This is something I distinctly associate as an Alisae trait. It is eir moderating color and the text within is paying tribute to their evolution as a moderator and the level of complicated games Alisae is known to run which sometimes can run afoul of balance complaints but are always fun and joyous (for the most part) to play in.-
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I'd be all too happy to provide context with limbo lifted as I am rather intimately familiar with Alisae's games and would not have given the support I did if I didn't think it was distinctly unique to em.In post 3925, implosion wrote:I'm happy (and I'm sure Psyche would be happy, perhaps after a month is over now) to be convinced that it's a good title by people but no one has really given any context to someone like me who knows you but isn't familiar with your games. No one has really given any specific context at all.-
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I think people seem to take 'lolbalance' at face value as just meaning the games run were inherently and necessarily badly balanced with zero care taken (as in, they think lolbalance = "fuck balance") when that is not the actual intention behind the title/practice and the standard meant to be emphasized in both the modding and the resulting title is more an emphasis on creating an enjoyable game which players know what they are getting in for when they sign up.
As an example, when players play a mastina-modded game, they have a fair idea it will feature something unconventional...to the point where when I ran a setup which was conventional, it being conventional was itself unconventional. (I literally ran games called "Hilariously Unbalanced", after all, meaning a player signing up for them knew that balance was intentionally not a focus of the game.)
So the point is more, when players play in an Alisae-modded game, they know that Alisae designed a complicated, complex game featuring many weird, unusual mechanics that developed intricate, quirky, unique interactions and so on and so forth, where a focus on entertaining the players is given and both sides are meant to enjoy the experience of the game and feel like they had a fair game...
...Even if the game was not, itself, balanced.
Alisae's run at least three micros which fall under that category for me, where balance is tricky to say if it was locked down or not, and yet the intention for fun to be had was made abundantly clear. Alisae's refined eir modding over the year, too. Alisae may have had a shaky start with games like Railgun, but every progressive Alisae game after that has gotten more and more refined with the formula of enjoyment, more or less.-
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To some extent...we have. That's the whole fucking point. The title has a previously established record for a similar premise--In post 3979, animorpherv1 wrote:Why are we, then, giving this title to Alisae and not the number of other notable current/former mafia mods who have been known to create hilariously bastard&complex setups?similar, but notidentical. Alisae's own games, own take on things, is individually eirs. It is unique to em, and em alone. lolbalance, in spoilered rainbow text, however, is associated with Alisae. Not those other mods. It is an unusual trait which Alisae has a very specific version of, thus why it is title-worthy in the first place.
It is both unique to em, and yet has a precedence of things similar-yet-not-identical to it being title-worthy. This is not a hard concept to grasp--a trait which is notable as being title-worthy with precedence, and yet is still in its current form for the user, unique and befitting to them and them alone. The general idea behind lolbalance may apply to other mafiascum moderators. The specifics of lolbalance apply only to Alisae.
An easy example for me to cite is my first title, Unabridged--people may forget it, but I was not the first user to have a title for being verbose. (I'd have to look up which other user or users had titles for it, but I know they exist.) Verbosity is not a trait unique to me, even if I am the poster child of it. And it is even a trait which can be thought of as not inherently a good thing. However, because it is also not inherently a bad thing, the title was given regardless.
And for me, lolbalance is the same way. It is not inherently a bad trait. It is not an absolutely unique trait. However, it is a trait unique to Alisae to the point of being one of the main things I think about when I think of Alisae on mafiascum--lolbalance as a descriptor of essentially eir moderation philosophy.
There's over seven billion humans alive right now--you don't have to look very far to find similarities between some small amount of random people. Yet when those similarities are examined deep enough, with their intricacies exposed, each individual is unique in their manifestation of those otherwise-similar traits. And for me, Alisae's unique individual manifestation of this trait is perfectly encapsulated by spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance, whereas it wouldn't be for other mods.-
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To put it another way:
There is a happy middle ground for me when it comes to titles--
Precedence for a title, and individuality of a title.
If there is no precedence for giving a title of the nature suggested, then it is often called into question if we should give that title when there is no precedence for it.
If there is a precedence for a title, then the individuality, the uniqueness of the title is called into question; people wonder what makes it title-worthy if other scummers are known to have something similar.
These two ideals exist at opposite extremes in conflict, and for me, an ideal title is somewhere in-between the two.
I feel Alisae for spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance strikes the perfect balance of those ideals--there IS precedence to award a title off of unusual, quirky moderation habits, most (in)famously, Tar. And yet, the spoilered rainbowtext lolbalance is also something which is unique to Alisae, in that it encapsulates eir specific manifestation, their unique take on things, their individual personality, making it something special and meaningful to them specifically.
I further feel that it is not awarding something negative and quite the opposite is acknowledging something which has been positive since there is little doubt that most players in Alisae's games have had nothing but high praise for em, overall. The title isn't demeaning or insulting or meant as a joke or something really temporary; it has lasting power. And I feel it fits, it is appropriate for em. Plus, I simply don't agree with it being a bad title. I've shown my disagreement with the objective points raised about it being a bad title, and I can't really do anything about people who just subjectively think it's not a good title, can I? Except voice that I think it is a good title.-
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Btw, unrelated to current discussion and probably unpopular opinion but throwing it out as an idea--in a veinsimilarto the April Fool's Day stunt, would it be possible to experiment a little more with titles?
By which, I mean: we already have the existing policy wherein a user who ends up not liking their current title can always request for it to be removed and it will be removed.
So something which could be worth experimenting on is slightly looser standards on titles, in which we can allow some titles that might otherwise not go through...and then, revisit them down the line. If the title ends up being a flunk down the line (say, three months give or take), something not actually desired, then as per the already-existing policy the title can simply be removed.
This would be similar to Psyche's existing policy of tabling divisive titles for a month, "We can look back at it in a month; if the title still has power, we can nominate it then". Only this would be instead of not giving it and revisiting the possibility of giving it down the line, giving it and visiting the possibility of removing it down the line.
This would be a bit of a longer-term experiment though, in that it'd take at least two or three cycles (that being, ~6-9 months) to see if the idea had merit.
Something like this might be worth trying out at some stage tho.-
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Btw since I promised I would a while ago,
Nominate Ginngie for the title of "N1 Nightkill".
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Yes I'm quite aware, it was a joke off of a promise I made to her. Thus the ":P".
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Obligatory nomination for a worse title that derails the original's potential:
Nom Alisae for "Bad Joke Title".-
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No, your thoughts are just about right as far as I'm concerned. Not just for me, for any user, this is more or less a fairly succinct encapsulation of what I feel is at the heart and core of the titling process. There really isn't a 'really good one' to be thought of at the moment, and it is anything but natural.In post 4344, Shaziro wrote:I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with giving Mastina a title on this account if a good one comes up, but I think if we have to keep workshopping and trying to find one, it might just mean that there isn't really a good one to be thought of at the moment, and I do think that if we are actually putting in effort to find a title for somebody rather than it coming up "naturally".
Quotations there because I think it's rare that a title is perfect right off the dome, but it seems like the good titles aren't the ones where everybody says "Hey this person needs a title, let's all sit and try to think of one". I also don't think that a title has to encapsulate everything about a person in order to be a good title. Then again, I'm very new to the site, compared to a lot of the folks here, so this could all be completely wrong :^)
A title doesn't need to perfectly sum up a user. But the title needs to hold some sort of deeper meaning. Virtually every suggestion for a title for me is more or less "Oh she's verbose let's give her a title for that again in spite of us having done so explicitly once and implicitly a second time". (The Second Coming references MANY things and verbosity is not nearly at the forefront of them...but verbosity isamongthe things it references.) That's not what a title should be.
Yes, verbosity is a core aspect of me in multiple ways. I am verbose both in part because it is my natural default state (autistic people tend to be more wordy as a general rule in writing and I am no exception to this), and because I've come to accept it as part of my identity and learned to make use of it, both in weaving intricate narratives and in what I call "The Magic Of Talking". (I firmly believe that talking, just talking, holds a magical power which can bond people together like no other force. They just have to...let loose and keep going. About anything and everything. The results are just...magical.)
Yes, because it is a core aspect of me it is notable.
Yes, titles do not need to encapsulate all of the aspects of a user. They don't need to perfectly sum the user up.
But they need to still hold a level of actual meaning beyond just the surface level. This is what differentiates bad title suggestions from good ones. Good title suggestions just have this way of resonating in multiple ways. And while discussion for titles to some extent is okay, while some level of talking about titles is acceptable because rarely is it ever the first title suggestion that makes it through (the suggestions become refined along the idea to gain nuances), past a certain point, the discussion just falls flat because it becomes forced.-
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(tl;dr version: Good titles resonate on multiple levels. Suggesting a title for me because of verbosity is not something which resonates on multiple levels, it is something which just falls flat because while it is in fact referencing my most notable trait...it's doing nothing more than that.)-
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User is doing the thing they have been nominated for a title for doing, we must avoid giving them a title now because clearly the existing trend is that you must stop doing the thing before being eligible for the title for that thing.In post 4389, Papa Zito wrote:doot-
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I don't think that doot itself should ever be a title for anyone--it has been so consistently forced down our throats at every available opportunity. The explanation for why to have it as a title has been virtually nonexistent each and every time. Just, "it's a meme", or "it's just perfect" or the like when the meme is something which outside of this thread is not something I actually see (seriously, where and when is doot actually used outside of here?) and it's just something that is a forced meme/title on every level.In post 4476, Psyche wrote:im ok w doot now generally speaking
While I acknowledge wordplay on doot is clever enough (and there are some titles featuring doot in them which I feel would be acceptable) on some occasions, doot itself shouldn't be a title. I'd support a clever enough variation on it, which would give it a deeper meaning than just the forced meme. But doot in of itself is just a shit title. There's nothing to it except for the consistent forcing of it. It never had a deeper meaning. It never had a real backstory. It never had a real reason to be a title.
As far as I'm aware, it was birthed from the April Fools Day prank last year, and then people complained when it wasn't kept. And since then, 90% of the support for the title has been the same basic self-reinforcing group, who keep saying that it's worthy of a title because it's perfect/a meme and yet it's only a meme because people keep saying it's worthy of a title.
The title fairy has a history of giving WORDPLAY titles along that line--Accept When He Does is a wordplay on the people who kept trying to get Except When He Does through as a title. This I feel is perfectly acceptable and actually appropriate. But I feel like giving doot itself, no modifications to it at all, is just rewarding bad behavior.-
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In case it wasn't clear, I typed 4484 before 4477 was posted, but since the nom has now officially been made, consider my 4484 an explicit
anti-nom.
Where does doot exist outside of this thread?
It's a serious question.
When has a doot nomination ever referenced anything except for content from this thread?
Still a serious question.-
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I can get behind that.
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For those who know Creature, this nomination is kinda self-explanatory as to why it's something which is fitting (in a sense anyway).
But since it is common courtesy to assume people aren't familiar, to explain, this is a title nom explicitly for the irony: Creature has just about the least amount of charisma of any player in existence, in spite of having >random reads and being easily-identified as town in any given game. If you think that having an ironic title is fitting, then I'd encourage support behind it because it is just so much the opposite of Creature that it bounces back to being appropriate for him.
To put it another way, you can think of it as the equivalent of nominating me for the title of "Succinct".-
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There's your problem.In post 4534, MattP wrote:This title for me works exceptionally well for vonflarebecause he wants it-
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Yes, actually. What you said in jest, I say with conviction. When it comes to the title fairy thread. Actively wanting a title is the greatest sin of all.In post 4541, Cheetory6 wrote:The greatest sin of all. Wanting a title. doot.
Titles are not something you actively seek out.
Titles are given. They are awarded.
They are not something you strive to get.
There's a reason we have the rules we do:
The nomination of doot violates practically every rule set for the thread. It is a shitpost, explicitly done in this thread almost exclusively. I asked where doot exists outside of this thread for good reason. It is largely unexplained. It is not a gift given to vonflare, not when vonflare has been basically loudly trying to obtain the title ever since April of last year. vonflare awarded himself the title during the April Fools Day stunt so it is explicitly a self-nom.In post 0, Psyche wrote:What are some rules?
1.Titles are gifts given from the community to users. So self-noms, insult-noms and their cousins are all mistakes.
2. Shitposts suck. This isn't GD. Your posts in this thread should usually be on-topic - contributing to the process of finding and securing good titles for users on this site. Occasional, especially tasteful off-topic posts are fine. But if a pattern of shitposting becomes evident and annoying, you'll be warned, and after repeated offenses or some egregious offense, you'll be banned from the subforum, etc.
4. Explain your nominations. Please? If you assume the reasoning is self-evident, you're gonna get disappointed.
Like I said. It's setting a bad precedence, rewarding negative behavior which this thread has explicitly frowned upon.