The Resistance - Game 1 (GAME OVER)

[Cephrir]

hello i have no idea what i'm doing

can team leaders send themselves?

[Cephrir]

i'm fine with that

[Cephrir]

i think that's just a "hoho look at me i am town" from aronis which is about as clever as it usually is

[Cephrir]

well, what do we have to go on that isn't random? i'd like to be confirmed town, personally, and as ridiculous as this sounds ten posts in i think coug might be town as well

[Cephrir]

I think rejecting would give us more information

How?

[Cephrir]

Well, I think we should just try and convince Coug and let him make the decision on his own.

worried we'll clear three townies?

[Cephrir]

no, they wouldn't be clear, but... probably as close as we're gonna get to it

[Cephrir]

thanks for being a protown presence aronis you're a star

[Cephrir]

Pedit: more info because we can analyze which "random" trio eachonw chose

i suppose that's true

i also agree with zoraster!

[Cephrir]

above was in reference to 41

[Cephrir]

yeah confspy right here

dang people love their being aggressively wrong

welcome to mafiascum folks

[Cephrir]

i don't know if zoraster is town but i want to assume he is for not being ridiculous

[Cephrir]

I support zoraster and Cephrir as picks.

We got our Spy team boys.

you, aronis, still need one more?

[Cephrir]

i would like to send coug/shos/zoraster i suppose

[Cephrir]

So my intuition is that ani is scum here but now that we failed i can't help but be a little concerned about coug choosing to go with the random option (giving him an obvious excuse).

ugh

[Cephrir]

Me
Coug
zoraster

I like this one more, personally. If we're gonig to assume it is Ceph's problem, like Aronis suggests, this is the way to go.

hahaha

aha

ha

no

[Cephrir]

Uh-oh... So ani or Ceph is a spy. I'm inclined to send Ceph over Ani at this point for POE reasons, but those two need to be sorted out.

what does that have to do with POE?

[Cephrir]

Is putting people from the same group in again even theoretically a good idea?

[Cephrir]

So my intuition is that ani is scum here but now that we failed i can't help but be a little concerned about coug choosing to go with the random option (giving him an obvious excuse).

I actually did not. I went with the top three like I said I'd do absent any reasonable objections.

random, arbitrary, whatever.

you chose the thing that washed your hands of the choice.

but i guess that's not really a big deal

[Cephrir]

I'd avoid putting anybody from the last mission in the next one. Just to be safe.

PEdit: Between Coug and Ceph, Ceph is a spy. easy

thanks for confirming you're a spy with ani

[Cephrir]

I think we should send 1 of the old crew and 3 new people.

i agree with this except that if the old person isn't me i'm going to be concerned about it

[Cephrir]

Is putting people from the same group in again even theoretically a good idea?

yes, because there's likely 2 spies outside of the first 3.

That means it will be impossible to succeed.

makes sense

[Cephrir]

Uh-oh... So ani or Ceph is a spy. I'm inclined to send Ceph over Ani at this point for POE reasons, but those two need to be sorted out.

@shos or IPS: Which of those two and/or me did you think is a spy and why? You rejected; this implies you thought this.

you are the scum. You had enough stuff to think with and chose randomly, and "woah, coincidence!" exactly one was scum.

i guess my thing is, why does this make him scum and not just suboptimal?

[Cephrir]

i don't want to lose a second base to learn that yes, ani is still scum

[Cephrir]

IPS why did you reject that

[Cephrir]

also if i send myself and those same three is that gonna get rejected as wel

[Cephrir]

I had every reason as either alignment to include myself. If I'm scum, then whomever I send along with me is largely irrelevant, so this makes logical sense only in that respect. Not a compelling reason out of you.

yeah, this is why it doesn't make him scum. not that he couldn't still be scum and just not care about the issue. But yeah.

[Cephrir]

Why did YOU reject that, Ceph?

I rejected it because Radja is a spy IMO

i think ani's scum

[Cephrir]

I am rejecting anything and everything you choose

you still haven't given any reason for this so i'm just going to assume you're scum

[Cephrir]

should i send coug and myself and two of those three, or myself and those three? i think they're all town and i want this to go through

[Cephrir]

i am seeing nothing that tells me the scum aren't aronis/ips/(coug/ani)

so i guess i should play to what i do actually know and send everyone but those four?

[Cephrir]

that's fine

i've decided but i'll give us a few more minutes of discussion

[Cephrir]

I am rejecting anything and everything you choose

you still haven't given any reason for this so i'm just going to assume you're scum

Do you have a better explanation for the first mission failing? besides ani being scum bc that is obviously not the case.

why is that obviously not the case

better question why am i even engaging you

[Cephrir]

i am seeing nothing that tells me the scum aren't aronis/ips/(coug/ani)

so i guess i should play to what i do actually know and send everyone but those four?

I'd prefet ani in the team and radja out. Remember we had two "success" in round 1

yes but from my pov putting ani or coug in is a coin flip for scum

[Cephrir]

I think including one of the past team is probably the right call. But I think Cephrir should pick Coug or ani instead of himself. With 3, picking yourself offers some clarity. With 4, I'd rather see Cephrir have to choose.

are you willing to lose a second base to find out which of them is scum? i don't think i am

[Cephrir]

If I'm going to send Coug I might as well send myself too. Since I'm already betting ani's the scum in that group.

[Cephrir]

nah, i'm not doing that, vote as you will but i want a damn win

Send: me, shos, zor, radja

[Cephrir]

:'(

[Cephrir]

Not going to bother suggesting a team since I still think shos is scum.

Why? I don't think that.

[Cephrir]

Zoraster, I am starting to doubt you

Why? I rejected precisely the same setup last time, just with ani suggesting himself instead of cephrir suggesting himself.

I'm more interested in the people who switched their votes.

I feel like scum is 100% between cephrir/coug and not ani

this isn't what you were saying before?

[Cephrir]

I already explained

I think Radja is scum.

okay well no one else does so you might have to suck it up on that one

i mean you're scum and just rejecting things that will succeed, but

[Cephrir]

on another note, both IPS and StrangerCoug rejected this team twice, along with Zoraster.

could you three explain your choice?

I don't like the weakness of your case on me. You said I chose randomly without any regard to reads. The "random" choice you claim I made was made at the very beginning of the round, so in effect, I needed a reason not to include animorpherv1 or Cephrir. Only Aronis suggested anything remotely of the sort, and even then, it was a WIFOM case. I don't understand what you get about this.

that's pretty consistent actually

yep still liking this

[Cephrir]

Second he keeps saying i'm scum and hasn't exactly said WHY. People who do that are 100% scum in my experience

you don't have enough experience then

[Cephrir]

Ceph is scum bc he keeps trying to pin the M1 failure on ani, despite everything suggesting it's him or SC, bc he wants to discredit ani who is town and save coug's ability to go on and fail missions.

"everything"

ok lol

wait so i'm scum because SC is scum??? lololol

[Cephrir]

this does not look good for our heroes

i think making a big deal about shos' choice is not a likely move from zoraster scum so that leaves me two to reassess? unless they both still seem town

[Cephrir]

Due to the fact the Ceph appeared on both failing teams, I am now not voting for any missions that involve Cephrir.

if you're town then we lose

good thing you aren't -- town wouldn't leap to this conclusion so quickly anyway

[Cephrir]

if everyone is going to assume i'm scum here we might as well just stop playing

[Cephrir]

alright great assumptions dudes not like there are 3 scum and it's mathematically likely one or more scum would be on a 4 man team

i'll spend the rest of the game trying to figure out who's scum so i can feel like i won a personal victory

[Cephrir]

which means at least one of {aronis, iprobablysuck} is scum, since they weren't on both teams.

i guess they can't both be scum anymore

aronis are you throwing

[Cephrir]

Zoraster voted against in the first time this team was offered. if it had scum, and he had been scum, he would have known that and just supported it then.

Zoraster is now officially conftown, I think.

not conf but if he's scum i quit anyways so i'm happy assuming this

[Cephrir]

i just want to find out who's going to throw with baseless assumptions.

maybe shos did this knowing it would allow him to coast to victory?

[Cephrir]

like is it REALLY that farfetched to imagine that maybe just maybe (coug/ani) and (shos/radja) are a team together

that's not particularly unlikely

[Cephrir]

if ceph is scum, then we assume {aronis. ceph iprobablysuck} is the team.

I kinda thinks that is unlikely. Entropy-wise, lol

yeah like

do you really honestly think that i decided to cross bus everyone

what would be the point of that we don't even have daytalk

[Cephrir]

shos outed himself as Resistance

??????????

[Cephrir]

lol radja

[Cephrir]

I think all rejections are town.

Yeah, I wanted to see who would pass a first go.

you realize that an acceptance would have ended the game...???

[Cephrir]

so radja is if nothing else playing anti town here, I guess

lol this guy is so scum

no shit sherlock

[Cephrir]

Should I just send in the same team?

.... no?????????????????????

[Cephrir]

How smart do we think Aronis is? Would he reject a double scum lineup and accept a single scum one?

he's been posturing around rejecting anything that includes me since page two

it wasn't surprising

[Cephrir]

SC, IPS, Aronis as scum possible with Radja just VIing?

why sc over ani?

also i don't think aronis/ips can both be scum unless it's with me but i forget why

[Cephrir]

SC, why did you vote to accept?

I didn't particularly like Ceph's reactions to the discussion about him being the person in common between the failed missions. He could have had at least a stronger case against the ones he was on the team with if he was town.

and if i knew which of them was scum i would have that for you.

i don't know that on account of being town

[Cephrir]

SC, why did you vote to accept?

I didn't particularly like Ceph's reactions to the discussion about him being the person in common between the failed missions. He could have had at least a stronger case against the ones he was on the team with if he was town.

And you were so certain of your reads on everyone else that an acceptance was due and no more discussion needed even though the team was suggested last minute?

No... I don't think this is plausible.

Ahhh.

[Cephrir]

so SC/Radja/(Aronis/IPS) is the team?

Except then why did radja reject.

[Cephrir]

SC/shos/(aronis/ips)

[Cephrir]

i think maybe radja has to be town because as much as he's not making a lot of sense i can't understand why he would reject himself

[Cephrir]

How many people do I need to send in? three or four?

Four.

@SC: You can flip-flop less, please.

I meant Ceph, Radja, and Aronis.

even more flip flopping so obviously scum

so... i'm not scum anymore, then?

who is scum, aronis?

[Cephrir]

can we just speed things up and reject this one before it's proposed

[Cephrir]

i guess maybe i should stop assuming it's not zor but i don't think it's zor so idk

[Cephrir]

well im on board with coug scum so i guess i'[m probably going to accept anything zor proposes

[Cephrir]

ips has been acting like an extension of aronis all game and i have no idea why

[Cephrir]

I'd substitute Ceph for zor to be safe, but I'm on board with having only people who rejected the last mission in principle.

dude either you think i'm scum or you think ani's scum you can't have both

w/e though you're clearly scum

[Cephrir]

zor-me-ani-radja?

[Cephrir]

still, if zor submits sc, i guess i have to assume sc town since the alternative is we lose.

[Cephrir]

I'd substitute Ceph for zor to be safe, but I'm on board with having only people who rejected the last mission in principle.

dude either you think i'm scum or you think ani's scum you can't have both

w/e though you're clearly scum

My original proposal had you both off because the quickness of the proposal and the fact that two people still accepted it are suspect, and now I have my doubts about you and ani again.

I think trying to call the entire rest of the town team is pretty dangerous and I don't have confidence you'll get it right if you're town

[Cephrir]

i like zor's team best but i'm not 100% on it

[Cephrir]

fmpov you just have to figure out who is scum between shos radja zor and i guess i dont think its shos

[Cephrir]

maybe radja voted no for crazy off the wall towncred maybe not

i dont claim to know these things

[Cephrir]

Ceph, if you are town you have to accept today no matter what. so game is pretty much solved anyway. zor is scum, you'll see

i know that, just trying to figure out what to argue for

[Cephrir]

wp ani <3

[Cephrir]

the funny thing is that if both had failed it, the game would have been pretty easy. but since only one did...

who was the person who voted succeed in Day 1?

it was ani

it didn't even occur to me until later how over the game would've been if he hadn't done that

[Cephrir]

Thanks for running it, I had fun! Would play this again someday.

[Cephrir]

town had to be pretty stupid to let that happen.

I don't think that's necessarily true