LSG Guides & Resources

[Haschel Cedricson]

I was working on one complete with histories and variations but it's been deleted for a while now.

[Haschel Cedricson]

I have been informed that "The MS-hosted SMFs are going to be going away [...] We still have a few not-clean ones, but once those are used up that's gonna be it". Naturally, I have a few questions.

1) Hosting games on-site has been something that has been a goal ever since the LSG subforum was created. Why is this no longer something that the staff wishes to do?
2) Why are there only a few forums left, and why was the listmod team not proactive in getting these ready?
3) What happens when the next forum alternative chooses to go the same way as Zetaboards? Is there any effort being made to make sure that games can be permanently archived?
4) If Proboards is going to be the de facto forum software of choice going forward, what are the listmods doing to help game mods set up their games? It has been

almost four years

since the forum creation guide linked in this very thread became outdated; why has there not been a new one made yet? Don't give me crap about being busy; there is absolutely no reason you three couldn't have been working on this off and on. If this is something that you three don't feel is important then just admit that you don't care.

Cephrir said "Essentially this requires work and will require lots more work at some point in the future, and after a conversation with Kison and such it was determined that the benefit was not enough to continue to do that work." However, making sure that people are able to run games is part of your job, and I am baffled that given the options of "lower the difficulty barrier of making forums so more people can mod" and "Not do work" you would collectively choose the latter.

[Haschel Cedricson]

And the work on helping people with Proboards?

[Haschel Cedricson]

A new complete forum creation guide would be nice to have. Now that we know Proboards will likely be the solution going forward, that should be the focus of any such effort, but this is a recent development. The idea that we don't care because this one task hasn't been completed is rather uncharitable; if we didn't care we would not volunteer our time in support of this community at all.

Again, Zetaboards has been gone for almost four years now. The website needing a new forum creation guide is not a recent development. I don't think it's uncharitable to think that a task that has been neglected for almost four years is a task that you (collective you) do not care about.

[Haschel Cedricson]

As I've been one the listmod on board the entire time since we've lost zetaboards, I can tell you it's not due to lack of care that a new one has not been made for proboards or even the Simple Machines boards.

Not buying this for several reasons.

1) It's not about you individually, it's about the listmods as a team. Do you honestly believe CC didn't know how to set up a forum? Or Reck didn't? Working together the three of you could have chosen to make a guide, and you all chose not too. Now with Monty and Ceph the three of you could choose to make a guide, but once again you've chosen not to.

2) Saying you weren't involved in any games except the one Malkon had already made isn't an excuse. You all can choose to start working on games at any time.

3) Over a year ago I reached out and offered to help the listmods with a Simple Machines guide. Cephrir asked just enough questions to learn how permissions worked and then never addressed it again. Once again, this was

a year ago

. Never mind that you aren't using Simple Machines going forward; that was a recent decision and the fact that this was abandoned in January 2021 screams that it was never a priority in the first place.

The truth is, you once told me that you didn't believe that it was the listmods' job to make sure that games were ready to run. Helping mods get their games set up isn't one of the listmods' priorities. Honestly, I don't know what the listmods' priorities are. I know it's not facilitating LSGs.

It doesn't appear to be cultivating community either, as evidenced by the shitshow that is Clash of the Mash planning (or lack thereof). I honestly assumed that Clash was cancelled in 2020 because of the quarantine and that made sense, and then odd-numbered years were for Team Mafia. But then I find out that there was no planning in the first place? That is one of your jobs and all three of you dropped the ball. More than that, you refused to pick up the ball. Don't tell me that Clash isn't a listmod job, you and I had a long conversation about why it was something the listmods were responsible for. So to see Monty handwave away the collective dereliction of duty with the laughable idea that the three of you haven't had your schedules sync up in over two years and a promise that "we can help other people do similar things" is terrible. It's outsourcing your job.

And ultimately that's what you all want. You three don't want to listmoderate the LSG and Mishmash forums. You want to Be A Listmod. You want to have a blue name, but have other people do the heavy lifting. Xof, you were a fantastic listmod at the beginning of the LSG forum. You are not anymore. You've been coasting on name recognition for a long time to cover for inaction and lack of ambition for the forum and we both know it.

There are so many things that you all could be doing to make the LSG forum better. You haven't, because you don't care. At least have the decency to not lie about it.