Dwlee99 wrote:Hi Implosion, I forgot to message you when I /in'd earlier for the mini normal queue. Sorry about that. Here's the info:
Suggested role list pre-review:
Setup notes: Mafia can multitask abilities and the factional kill. Any PTs will be always open.
Mafia Announcing Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Rolestopper
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Simple Cop Neighbor
Town One-shot Activated Combined Bulletproof Ascetic Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Town Simple Jailkeeper
5x VT
Review concerns in advance: Can the Rolecop Rolestopper exist by normal guidelines? That is, by NAR the rolecop action should occur after the rolestop, but I would like for it to occur before. Is this possible, or will it have to be reworked?
Role PMs:
Spoiler: Role PMs
Start Post:
Dank Meme Mafia: The Squeakquel
Current Game State:
Pregame
Public Game Knowledge:
The mafia are by default multitasking and any PTs are always open.
Rule list borrowed from TheStatusQuo with slight modifications.
Sample VT Role PM:
Spoiler: Alive (13)
Spoiler: Dead
Dwlee99's Mini Normal Review, July 2021
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Dwlee99's Mini Normal Review, July 2021
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Default multitasking was never explicitly re-normalized but I've been letting people do it (and it's fine since it's still required to be public setup knowledge in the OP) so feel free to.
The combined rolestopper X dilemma is one of those things that, well, is ambiguous like I described here. At least, IMO. I found Foxbird's review and the role was actually proposed by one of the reviewers and there's no mention of that dilemma in that review thread. I don't think there is any formalism in normal games between "using one action with two effects" and "using two actions targeting the same person". In this case the semantics of what's trying to be accomplished are clear but it's also clear that one "obvious" reading of it would have the role interfere with itself.
My default stance on things like this is that it's reviewer discretion, so I also feel that here. The fact that there is precedent means I personally am fine with it if they want to allow it but it's perhaps better to just avoid it for the sake of ambiguity. Ambiguity adds a lot of potential complexity if players start asking you how this role would work and you have to start answering in a way that would potentially imply that you'd thought about the implications, which might imply that the role is probably real, or what have you.-
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It does resolve after kills: e.g. viewtopic.php?p=10537272#p10537272
Generally investigatives that depend on kills (psychologist/detective as well) resolve after kills.
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