Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[vonflare]

ebwop: boo vonflare, boooooooo

problemo?


I'll read up tomorrow morning. Anything I should know beforehand?

[vonflare]

I'll respond to the rest of Anen's post later but just want to quickly point out to Smocaine/Anenien that your criticisms of my lynch elsewhere and venge-RC plan today don't make any sense. There is a significant difference between lynching confscum RC vs venging confscum RC.

If we lynch elsewhere with the promise of the venge being used on RC, then between D2 and D3 we use the lynches collaboratively which is juicier for content and information. If we use one of the lynches on confscum RC then it doesn't tell us anything (because scum are absolutely "bussing" him here, if you can even call it that). And if town uses venge on another town that also doesn't really tell us anything as both of them will be dead. While the numbers work out the same by N3, we actually get more info out of taking out RC with the venge and using the lynch as a team tool, as it will require the last scum to take stances and push for/against wagons, even if they do wind up being mislynches. If we just give venge to a townie who's scumreading another townie, scum can sit back and play it safe.

does that make sense? IMO this is a pretty obviously superior plan so it's surprising that you guys don't see that.

still catching up, but I speak from personal experience that leaving universally confirmed scum alive is always bad, they have no incentive to post whatsoever unless they feel like trolling. At best we get a 'prod dodge' every other day, at worst we get smart manipulative wifom. there is no situation where we get more information out of leaving RC alive.

and there's no distinction between the venge and the lynch. "If we just give venge to a townie who's scumreading another townie, scum can sit back and play it safe" is assuming we won't give it to a player who agrees to venge according to majority wishes. plus, I'd argue it's just as likely that we

lynch

town as it is that a random townie would

venge

town.

[vonflare]

on your last point - I disagree? A unilateral decision by a townie is more likely to be wrong than a consensus effort of all townies

and the remaining scum, who also get input

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[vonflare]

wait, how can we ensure the venge triggers today?

[vonflare]

RC still dies at the end of today

how?

[vonflare]

and if you're suggesting we give the lynch target the venge and have them promise to use it on RC

that's either stupidity or scumclaim

if we actually do lynch scum, which would be the only good outcome of lynching anyone other than RC, then they shoot town.

[vonflare]

hmm I guess your plan is actually fine, assuming we can use the venge on the person we lynch

[vonflare]

I mean your plan is basically just immediately using the venge instead of waiting

im not sure whether it's optimal, but in this situation it's definitely viable.

[vonflare]

from the signup post:

Invention Mafia (Mod: beeboy)- A closed 15 player game with a public mechanic where each day, players can vote for someone to receive an invention that can used the following night. Inventions will be public. Powers outside of inventions will be limited.

"an invention that can used the following night"

this doesn't imply that the invention can be used as the moment that it is acquired.

have we had a mod ruling on this?

[vonflare]

Actually Reveal IC is a 5th level spell so you need to roll a 15 or higher on a d20+INT to successfully counter it

[vonflare]

where is my FUCKING vengeful

Alright it's been fun but

Reveal as IC

VOTE: Adenine

I can't think who else Reckoner would have targeted.

How did this change from "give me my fucking gun?"

Like this doesn't even make fucking sense as a defense of you are the IC, and the I doesn't stand for idiot.

why are you taking any of RC's posts seriously?

[vonflare]

today we lynch RC, and whoever we give the vengeful to we lynch in lylo (if we get there).

that's the optimal play.

[vonflare]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

I mean we could avoid that if we no-lynch when there's 6 players left, which is the same as no-lynching in mylo but without the drawbacks

[vonflare]

Actually it depends on beeboy's clarification. If it works today, it's better to lynch whoever we give it to and let them venge RC since we get the flips one at a time instead of none followed by two.

yeah this could work too

honestly we're just waiting for mod clarification at this point

[vonflare]

No, it’s not lmfao

We’ll get to MYLO and then we either lynch that day or no lynch and scum nk the venge and force them to pick from a pool of 3

I mean we could avoid that if we no-lynch when there's 6 players left, which is the same as no-lynching in mylo but without the drawbacks

what you talking about? if we get to MYLO with the venge alive we lynch them...

yeah, obviously. but the point im trying to make is that going into 4p mylo is a lot worse than going into 3p lylo

[vonflare]

oh

[vonflare]

oh

[vonflare]

I feel like scum would be less inclined to bus in a high-stakes game like this one

[vonflare]

Also I just talked to Bee over discord and he's informed me that since the vengekill is distributed at the end of the day, if we lynch the person who gets elected they get to use it day of.

It's not that I think you're lying but I'm going to wait for official in-thread confirmation

sounds like a good plan though

[vonflare]

What

[vonflare]

Post-edit.

What

What what?

is the counterspell thing just the mod trolling?

[vonflare]

yes the counterspell thing is just mod trolling can we move on to important things

vonflare what's your take on ghostlin

idk, acting generally hostile but thats not necesarily AI

lots of theorizing around bussing but honestly i dont think the scum would bus in a game like this

so fine I guess, nullish

[vonflare]

yes the counterspell thing is just mod trolling

also this should ABSOLUTELY NOT be a thing in an explicitly non-bastard game

[vonflare]

yes the counterspell thing is just mod trolling can we move on to important things

vonflare what's your take on ghostlin

idk, acting generally hostile but thats not necesarily AI

lots of theorizing around bussing but honestly i dont think the scum would bus in a game like this

so fine I guess, nullish

Ghostlin didn’t bus though, they sided against chesskid while Hindu made it a point to be neutral

Do you intend to do anything about your nullread?

I didnt say ghost bussed, I said ghost was drawing attention to the possibilty of other players bussing

honestly thare's not much I can do, if we're really going to do the 'lynch the guy we give the invention to' strategy I'd honestly like it to be guiltylion

[vonflare]

In general I find scum to be more setup-spec/strategy focused since providing ideas involving game mechanics is an easy way to contribute without actually scumhunting

[vonflare]

I didnt say ghost bussed, I said ghost was drawing attention to the possibilty of other players bussing

Wasn't that GuiltyLion?

actually I went through ghost's iso once more looking for references to bussing and here's some posts I found:

So this paints a larger noose on me but fuck it: mastina hates bussing, generally.

I feel like scum would be less inclined to bus in a high-stakes game like this one

XP mafia was much lower stakes and she felt she could get away with it. And she was right.

so ghost do you think mastina is bussing or not? you seem wishy-washy on this particular point

[vonflare]

i wanna apologize to u RC I've been in a situation where I was confscum but the town decided to keep discussing and it was super not fun so i feel u

[vonflare]

well that settles that

VOTE: ghostlin

[vonflare]

rc plz let us finish the game dont ruin it 4 us

[vonflare]

dude

[vonflare]

we lynch ghost and he shoots rc

[vonflare]

we lynch ghost and he shoots RC

if he's town we kill RC anyway

if he's scum we win bc we lynch rc tomorrow

[vonflare]

my teammates say to lynch RC since we don't know what abilities the scum might have

[vonflare]

I feel like the risk of them being able to stop the venge is very low though

[vonflare]

. I kill RC if you lynch me

sounds good

[vonflare]

I guess 2, because scum!Ghostlin would've conceded.

either way and regardless of anything else we lynch ghost in lylo if we get there

[vonflare]

Is everyone like VT or something?

weird post, not sure if townslip or 'townslip'

did you intentionally softclaim vt?

I think we should elect a scummier player and make them promise to protect Smocaine or Creature.

why these 2?

which one in particular?

[vonflare]

weird post, not sure if townslip or 'townslip'

did you intentionally softclaim vt?

will acknowledge this but will not answer

that seems counterproductive

[vonflare]

vote: GL

. This has passed the second round of focus testing. Make it so.

I'm ok with this.

who would you give the doc to?

[vonflare]

I don't see the doc getting nk'd, at least the odds seem the same as any other townie. they obviously use it tonight, right?

[vonflare]

prodge, working on a midterm paper

[vonflare]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

which pool

[vonflare]

Well, I'd remove me.
Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

guiltylion?

[vonflare]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

What pool?

[vonflare]

i like ghost > GL

[vonflare]

VOTE: ghost

[vonflare]

Vig scum

[vonflare]

that's such a stupid post it literally contributes nothing bu wifom

[vonflare]

Anti-town posts don't equal scumposts Flvre.

i didnt say he was scum i just said his post was dumb