Scummies 2011 Nominations

[Matias]

no.

him living over 4-5 days was a huge oversight that town made.

[Matias]

you'd be a little pissed when someone who was "obvtown" lived through 5 days without getting nightkilled

especially after you turned a lynch around to lynch someone else who was "obvtown" and turned out to be a mafia jack of all trades.

i.e: I know what I'm talking about

[Matias]

he was "confirmed/obv town" and lived 5 days while less townish people got killed over the last few days and NO ONE even bothered to look until the final day. even then, kdaspot pissed it away within an hour.

[Matias]

basically: in a nutshell, not a single townie did efficient night kill analysis. I'd say that IS bad town play, but if you want to chalk this up to a "trend", be my guest, but I think he won't win the manipulation scummy. nothing against him, but he's GOOD, not amazing.

[Matias]

Your argument for why he doesn't deserve is that he looked too town?

yes, lets just blatantly ignore that I just said town did no nightkill analysis.

[Matias]

of course, you guys were part of the game and everything so feel free to tell me that I'm wrong.

[Matias]

of course, you guys were part of the game and everything so feel free to tell me that I'm wrong.

you think being part of the game gives you a better position to judge his play than a neutral observer who's read the thread?

It certainly doesn't give me LESS of a position to judge his play, which is how I feel people are treating my opinion on the case

[Matias]

so, whatever. my point is, just because it's an "lolusurper win" doesn't mean he played amazingly.

town made a huge oversight. warriormode looked obvious or confirmed town, yes. HOWEVER, he lived until 3 man lylo and they STILL didn't see anything -wrong- with that.

you can chalk that up to amazing scum play if you want or realize that town fucked things up majorly. as I said in the thread, had I not actually convinced them that diddin was scum before I was nightkilled, warriormode probably wouldn't have even GOTTEN the usurper win since I doubt they would have factored in diddin's "obvtownness" in with the nightkill choices. warriormode sailed by and not a single townie questioned why he was living day by day when people like WLC, hiplop, manho and chkflip were dying. that's 4 nightkills after warriormode SHOULD have died (i.e: his faceoff with vifam).

Oh and the ONLY reason that he looked obvtown is because he played off of vifam's claim again him. it -fell into- his lap. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. if it was not intentional, then vifam is a derp and warrior did nothing. if it was intentional, you guys should be praising vifam, which you are failing to do.

[Matias]

Let the judges fight it out.

and I'll do this then

I have confidence warrior won't receive this award this over reck or mith (who actually took time, risk AND constant manipulation over letting the town implode; in reck's case, it was over the course of several months, and shutting down the only person who had an inkling of suspicion on him).

he did good letting town implode on themselves. he didn't manipulate a single person.

[Matias]

I'm actually being serious when I say the more you're talking about it, the more convinced I am that he did a great job. That's not even just knee jerk reaction to someone who's obviously just pissed at the loss, but it's in recognition of just how hard he had it and then turned it around for a usurper victory.

Maybe town "should" have lynched him. I don't know. But the fact they should have but didn't, only gives me more belief that he played it well.

then I'm glad you aren't being absolutely influenced by the situation or anything and are instead reading the game and analyzing whether he really deserves it or not

(not to be a dick or anything but that really does call for sarcasm. the amount of sarcasm I exude is proportionate to the amount my head hurts.)

nothing he had was "hard". it fell into his lap, if you were paying attention to the game. vifam GAVE it to him.

if you (or anyone else) would like to, I can bring up specific post examples and then we can have a real discussion on this. I should point you to isa's #1322, who starts the thought process of "if one is scum, then the other is town" with a vifam vs. warriormode mentality. if you assume that warriormode would be confirmed town if vifam flipped scum (which he did), then why did he live longer than other players who weren't "confirmed town"?

that's simple nightkill analysis that, in a site meta that was still observed months ago, would have saved a game. since town had failed to implement this very simple skill, it cost them the game. Had this gambit been done later (like in the last 1-2 days), I would support this nomination. how do you feel about this?

[Matias]

I would support yours over warriors too. I'm just giving prime examples.

[Matias]

I'm not doubting he played well, I'm doubting he played amazing enough to make everyone shit their pants and throw all of their praise at him when other players deserve that honor for more carefully constructed play.

[Matias]

look at that, someone else who was playing in the game knows what they're fucking talking about.

I disagree that they both should be nominated, but at least someone recognizes that WM isn't some fucking prodigy

also, Isa, I was talking about when the diddin wagon was dying, after the daykill (when people thought " oh, daykills CERTAINLY CAN'T mean scum, because scum daykiller? LULZ")

[Matias]

so, whatever. my point is, just because it's an "lolusurper win" doesn't mean he played amazingly.

town made a huge oversight. warriormode looked obvious or confirmed town, yes. HOWEVER, he lived until 3 man lylo and they STILL didn't see anything -wrong- with that.

you can chalk that up to amazing scum play if you want or realize that town fucked things up majorly. as I said in the thread, had I not actually convinced them that diddin was scum before I was nightkilled, warriormode probably wouldn't have even GOTTEN the usurper win since I doubt they would have factored in diddin's "obvtownness" in with the nightkill choices. warriormode sailed by and not a single townie questioned why he was living day by day when people like WLC, hiplop, manho and chkflip were dying. that's 4 nightkills after warriormode SHOULD have died (i.e: his faceoff with vifam).

Oh and the ONLY reason that he looked obvtown is because he played off of vifam's claim again him. it -fell into- his lap. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not. if it was not intentional, then vifam is a derp and warrior did nothing. if it was intentional, you guys should be praising vifam, which you are failing to do.

you're so bitter and wrong its not even funny. I WAS ACTUALLY CONFIRMED TOWN, thats why he lived. Players before that were big threats, warrior was v/la for a while.
WLC was confirmed town, too. It made sense, much more obvtown than warriormode was.

vifam played really badly though (no offense), we tried to lynch him like 5 times until warrior essentially sealed the coffin. He tried a gambit, but warriormode is what made it believable :\ Vifam was obvscum to pretty much everyone, but someone scummier showed up just at the end (ie diddin) who mathias is taking way too much credit for, also.

6th warriormode

, dude played a great game

you weren't confirmable just like wm or diddin weren't confirmable, so that's that. the fact that you said vifam played "really badly" supports the fact that you shouldn't really be saying much about this

all of these nominations aren't going to mean anything, so whatever. judges will know what's up. just saying that I'm not bitter about the loss, I'm just bewildered that the nom has so much support

also, you can spout bullshit about how I'm taking "way too much credit" for the diddin lynch, but you guys would not have lynched him if he had lived past that day phase. don't tell me that you would have. it was a side point that I used to support my main point.

maybe next year I'll have a scumbuddy fake a cop guilty on me, then I'll lynch him and get the don corleone for next year, since the meta on the site for "good play" apparently includes having your scumbuddy do all of the work and then sitting there picking my nose through 5 nights where I should be nightkilled

[Matias]

I posted the scum QT in the gamethread, if you all want to continue fighting about it.

Warriormode in the QT:

"As for me- I feel like people think I'm town now that vifam's gone but there's that question of "how am he still alive" sitting in people's head. People will expect a PR claim from me come mass claim time and I won't be able to match that.
Also if the stork gets to me I'm fucked. I have to be a baby which doesn't match my fake claim."

yeah, i wondered the same fucking thing

[Matias]

7TH WARRIORMODE

He did an amazing job.

Matias should stfu.

right because I'm not going to respond to a post that's specifically aimed towards me

[Matias]

all of these nominations aren't going to mean anything, so whatever.

judges will know what's up.

the more people aim posts towards me, the more I'm going to respond

how about another nomination or another topic now please

[Matias]

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