Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #113 (isolation #0) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:04 pm

To start this game off, I would like to present:

The Basterdies!

An award granted to players who have moderated at least one game I feel like fits the soul of Basterd Modding! What that means is fair yet fun game design that messes with players' heads.
Our recipients are:

Gypyx: His normal moderation practices exhibit strong adherence to the idea of Basterd Modding (games awarded for: Mini 2180, Mini 2169)
Flavor Leaf: on his account Boonskiies, he is a firm believer in the power of Basterd Modding, creating astonishingly creative and well-made theme games, generally staying normal-esque but sometimes breaking out of the normal-esque mold to create something truly wild! (games awarded for: Booneytoonz Extravaganza, Booneytoonz UPick: Boon There, Done That)
Dr Easy Bake: Using the moderating account of The Baker, he even has his own brand of modding to himself called Baker-Level Bastard, he loves moderating impressively well-crafted large themes that encapsulate his interest as well as the spirit of Basterd Modding. (games awarded for: Redneck Mafia, Guitarists Mafia)
Hectic:
thestatusquo
Cheetory6
Jake the Wolfie
almost50
the worst
Jingle
Pine
xRECKONERx

(I got sidetracked and decided I'd just rather post this in this state vs spend ?????? amount of time finshing it)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #117 (isolation #1) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:08 pm

Well Thelma, I can confidently say that it is a wagon.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #123 (isolation #2) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:26 pm

these questions by SPF seem genuine so far

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #126 (isolation #3) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:31 pm

VOTE: jake
surprise motherfakka

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #184 (isolation #4) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:53 pm

In post 137, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 126, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: jake
surprise motherfakka
Louise, what inspired you to vote me here?

Humor
but your response to SPF wasn't exactly great

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #185 (isolation #5) » Fri Jan 15, 2021 8:56 pm

In post 176, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 171, Gypyx wrote:-> his post has been done pre-rand

-> it's a nice easy way for scum to get into the game

lolwhat
I mean, Gamma could've only posted it if they rolled scum.

Or just didn't make it pre-rand.

I had the idea pre-rand but obv I didn't make the post pre-rand because it would have been spick-and-span in that case

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #506 (isolation #6) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 11:59 am

In post 199, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 198, Zaiden wrote:Finally, if you're an anime fan and not watching Wonder Egg Priority this season, what are you doing with life?
Being poor

Mood
Also Zaiden looks like a wonderful person

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #511 (isolation #7) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:13 pm

Pink Ball why is SPF your strongest SR?
I can understand your logic on me but that read seems less developed which doesn’t exactly make sense for your strongest read

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #563 (isolation #8) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:02 pm

In post 528, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 511, Gamma Emerald wrote:Pink Ball why is SPF your strongest SR?
I can understand your logic on me but that read seems less developed which doesn’t exactly make sense for your strongest read
You're right, it's less developed. It's based on her entrance on p1, and SirCakez picked exactly what I thought about her when she entered the game. Since it's a p1 read it's more of a gut read than a developed read, but it's stronger than what I have developed towards you or my other reads.

The important thing is, and that's why I said that I'm happy with my reads right now, at the end of the day, SPF can flip whatever, and SirCakez will still be town.

tbh I think your reasons on me are stronger than what you have on SPF
also why is Cakez locktown for you?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #565 (isolation #9) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 3:09 pm

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #598 (isolation #10) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:30 pm

In post 571, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Gamma! If you had to kill someone right now, who would it be?

in what sense

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #606 (isolation #11) » Sat Jan 16, 2021 6:48 pm

In post 602, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 598, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 571, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Gamma! If you had to kill someone right now, who would it be?
in what sense
You're being overly pedantic and you damn well know it.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

idk you could mean irl

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #749 (isolation #12) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:01 am

In post 636, midwaybear wrote:I’m not really hard scumreading Gamma because his play still doesn’t make sense from a scum standpoint, but I’d still like to get inside his head for a bit and get an answer of why his approach as been this.

I’m like this because I went from treading water to gasping for air in my ability to keep track of my games on average
Idk how long it’ll be worst-case but for now I’m just doing what I can, which ain’t much

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #753 (isolation #13) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:04 am

In post 667, Noraa wrote:Town bin: Noraa, Gypyx, Kanna, Private, SPF, cheetory
Scum bin: S_S, Jingle, midwaybear, Cake

Explain why the people who are in your scumbin are there please

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #755 (isolation #14) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:05 am

In post 752, midwaybear wrote:
In post 749, Gamma Emerald wrote:Idk how long it’ll be worst-case but for now I’m just doing what I can, which ain’t much
Are you getting any reads from teammates?

From what I can tell just going knee-deep into my ego search they’re not using our thread at all rn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #756 (isolation #15) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:05 am

In post 754, midwaybear wrote:Also, what prompted your jokey playstyle over these past two days?

Loss of mental stability

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #761 (isolation #16) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:08 am

MWB probably town

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #762 (isolation #17) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:11 am

Btw yeah I just verified no posts from my partners beyond basic bitch stuff
Although I did end up selecting probably some of the cagiest em-effers on the site

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #766 (isolation #18) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:29 am

Outside of any reads (since that’s the only real answer I can provide atp) I’d have to say Cakez
I don’t wanna have to try to sort him down the line, and I don’t think he’s good enough as town to keep around if that’s the case

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #772 (isolation #19) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:42 am

Can you sum up what you’re trying to say in those posts at some point for my strung-out ass
Something resounds with me there but there’s too much internal noise to feel it out exactly

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #773 (isolation #20) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:42 am

Like I don’t expect that until Zaiden responds to you but after that if I haven’t given an update on this regards pls do

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #776 (isolation #21) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:48 am

VOTE: Zaiden
Yeah I can work with that rn
Btw I think I can safely say I was resounding with point 2 there
There’s a marginal chance it’s something that wasn’t one of your core points but I’ll not worry bout it rn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #788 (isolation #22) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:03 am

In post 778, midwaybear wrote:I don't really get how he was artificially trying to figure out how he should place his reads. I guess it's interesting to me that he calls spring's push on him questionable, but comes to the conclusion that she is null. I like your first point.

In post 772, Gamma Emerald wrote: Something resounds with me there but there’s too much internal noise to feel it out exactly

In post 776, Gamma Emerald wrote: There’s a marginal chance it’s something that wasn’t one of your core points but I’ll not worry bout it rn
What do these mean?

I felt like I agreed with something keely said on a deep gut level
I’m pretty sure it’s his second point he brought up in the summary but I could have also found some hidden meaning, like an English professor

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #789 (isolation #23) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:04 am

In post 783, SirCakez wrote:
In post 766, Gamma Emerald wrote:Outside of any reads (since that’s the only real answer I can provide atp) I’d have to say Cakez
I don’t wanna have to try to sort him down the line, and I don’t think he’s good enough as town to keep around if that’s the case
Rude af

You’re welcome to probe me wrong any time

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #790 (isolation #24) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:04 am

prove*
Fucking phone keyboard

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #791 (isolation #25) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:06 am

In post 777, Spring Breeze wrote:i'm pretty easy to push

What?
I don’t recall anyone pushing you in the dark waltz game we played

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #795 (isolation #26) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:15 am

In post 794, Spring Breeze wrote:
In post 791, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 777, Spring Breeze wrote:i'm pretty easy to push
What?
I don’t recall anyone pushing you in the dark waltz game we played
i think that was more because everyone knew me and liked me in that game!

i do have lots of games where i'm the first push for scum though, although most of the time i obvtown and or it doesn't go through

So you’re comparable to brighteyedfish, okay that’s kinda cool

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #931 (isolation #27) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 3:52 pm

In post 905, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:cakez scumlean is from him feeling a lot more confident than Antechamber, closer to Among Us. - I think this might be CakezScum2.0 that he upgraded to when Cabd gave him a bunch of tips about how to play the red alignment. He's feeling very strong - like a jungle gorilla hunting for prey almost.

quotes pls

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #944 (isolation #28) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 4:25 pm

In post 938, midwaybear wrote:Townreading Pooky a bit more from that interaction.That seemed relatively hard to fake lol

Yeah Pooky looked pretty pure there
TFW all my confident TRs are to do with people who’ve channeled their partners in this game
And then there’s me who has Jack all to show for

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #973 (isolation #29) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:45 pm

In post 814, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 804, Jingle wrote:Noraa has played exactly one game with me. One game in which shellyc was both town and scum and I got shot due to a mod error on N2. Noraa herself says she doesn't know shit about Dann. And yet... I'm a strong scumread on the basis of BoP.
What game was this?

midwaybear wrote:
VOTE: Jake
I think Gamma is town, and I do think Jake's fixation around Gamma is scummy (I think this is what Zaiden sees?).

@Jingle I think Noraa's town play is extremely erratic and can appear pretty scummy. I have no clue if her scum game is similar to this, but these sort of wild reads are generally what I would expect.
Fixation, as in Gamma has been the main topic I've talked about?

Hm

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #974 (isolation #30) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:47 pm

Why am I your main topic Jake?
Don’t recall anything like this during smoke-filled-antechamber

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #977 (isolation #31) » Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:55 pm

Okay
Why’d you make it sound like that, then

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:25 am

In post 978, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 977, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay
Why’d you make it sound like that, then
I was questioning Jingle about their incorrect use of Fixation.

mkay

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:27 am

In post 1041, Noraa wrote:
In post 1012, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 1004, Noraa wrote:EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
not liking gamma.
Why not?
mostly just didn't like the midway bear TR.
But someone else also said midway was town so maybe I'm just tunneled there at this point.

can you think of anything specific you disliked about it?
btw I'd still like an answer to my previous question

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:31 am

In post 1152, Noraa wrote:Gamma, TR me.

I'm almost there, would feel good about you if you explained your current SRs

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:32 am

In post 753, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 667, Noraa wrote:Town bin: Noraa, Gypyx, Kanna, Private, SPF, cheetory
Scum bin: S_S, Jingle, midwaybear, Cake
Explain why the people who are in your scumbin are there please

Gamma Emerald · Mon Jan 18, 2021 11:37 am

no I have not read up, too busy with other stuff

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1175 (isolation #37) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:31 pm

In post 1162, Pink Ball wrote:Your townpool is good

you had me at null-to-scum before, what changed that?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1176 (isolation #38) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 1:33 pm

In post 1173, MariaR wrote:
In post 1168, Noraa wrote:Maria, what do you think are the odds of cake scum here?
Besides the fact Jingle W means Cakez=T Cakez is still in his town game range on my notepad. He hasn't done one of his obvious tells yet. If that changes you'll know.

In post 1174, MariaR wrote:Midway/Jake/Murder/Gamma are the only nulls I have and I don't see that changing anytime soon given their posting. I don't care hard enough about making the wagons swap as long as people don't hard TR Jingle.

I was already fine with the fact Dunn was TRing Maria but this is enough for me to TR her as well

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1180 (isolation #39) » Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:01 pm

Good fucking luck on that, she’s never explained her tells on me and she’s used them for 3+ years

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1559 (isolation #40) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 1:32 pm

I'm pretty much riding out D1 and hoping d2 is less chaotic
I think the reads of everyone seem solid enough I don't have to drive anything

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:41 am

In post 1624, Spring Breeze wrote:oh no i forgot gamma and PI

i’ll organise my tiers/see if my team updates me on some iso reads i asked them to do tomorrow. it’s so late

Understandable that you forgot me
I might try to put in a little effort today.

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:53 am

In post 1626, Jingle wrote:I talked to Ari, Noraa and he said:

Noraa tends to think things are obvious when she's scum and has big burnout hissy fits as town. He linked Micro 989 as a faked hissy fit and Open 800 as a town hissy fit, and you do seem closer to the latter.

He agrees that claiming you're actively manipulating your meta but asking him to meta read you and your push on me are both bad, but says it's probably bad from town.

OTOH, when I looked back at betrayal, I noticed that I remained tunneled on you for the entire time you were in the game, but that your play seems very similar. I got the feeling rereading there that ABR particularly was happy to keep me distracting from his buddies, and the gamestate felt very similar to here. This makes me think scum was happy with the situation of us being at each other's throats, which would point to scum cheerleading our interactions, implying scum in {PB/MURDER/MT/Maria/SB}, who all had varying shades of the stance that our arguments were suckish but one of us was scum anyway. This is what I was getting at when I asked GE/Cakez to look at Betrayal. Do you see what I'm seeing?

I don’t think I ever noticed you asking that but it looks like a decent thought process

Gamma Emerald · Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:56 am

In post 1639, Cheetory6 wrote:Nobody can read anyone off of your reaction to him, it's a very common problem in mafia where being confident about someone being mafia is not enough to convince other people that someone is mafia.
Jingle is someone you're only going to be able to wagon if you have airtight reasoning that people can digest and if the argument hinges on your expectations of other people's play not lining up, nobody has any way of understanding that short of doing like a huge amount of research into you, Jingle and Aristophanes and that's probably just not going to happen for more than 1-2 people if you're lucky.

If you want him gone you should try to case him in a way that other people are going to actually understand where you're coming from, and not case him in a way that you believe that you would yourself be convinced of, if that makes sense?

#goodpost

@Jingle that’s not happening

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1815 (isolation #44) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:29 pm

In post 1782, Cheetory6 wrote:actually idk what the count is
UNVOTE:

to be safe but like functionally imagine my vote is there sure.

I'm probably here mentally too

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #1818 (isolation #45) » Wed Jan 20, 2021 1:37 pm

In post 1816, Cheetory6 wrote:
@gamma
shea would like you to expand on why

The Cakez reasoning looks solid enough (specifically the case by MCat) and I also think Cakez is generally fine as a D1 lim

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2105 (isolation #46) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:57 am

wtf is going on rn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2374 (isolation #47) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:15 pm

In post 2246, SirCakez wrote:Hey UT it could be worse you could be modding the Black Flag which has even more pages than us LMAO

does it REALLY?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2390 (isolation #48) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:47 pm

In post 2375, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Gamma come commit to an SB read please

in a sec maybe
I'm not paying full attention to this rn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2394 (isolation #49) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 1:53 pm

I can see why it looks like I'm openwolfing but I'm really not trying to ,it's just not within me to effort rn
barring other things shifting d2/d3 is the best you can hope for when it comes to when I can start efforting

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2422 (isolation #50) » Thu Jan 21, 2021 3:24 pm

In post 2395, Pink Ball wrote:Just vote SpringBreeze then dude, if you're not going to effort at least lend us your vote and put it where we need it

In post 2396, Pink Ball wrote:I know you read that, Gamma. Do it

VOTE: Spring Breeze
I might do a double-check ISO to see if I actually feel like this is a good vote later but I’ll do what I’m told for now

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2599 (isolation #51) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:47 am

didn't a few people soft compulsive fv on the first page

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2604 (isolation #52) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:49 am

In post 7, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?

In post 9, midwaybear wrote:
In post 7, MURDERSUNNY wrote:I hope we can all handle this little disagreement peacefully. Anyone want a peach?
Hmm, I want to townread you for saying this.

In post 11, midwaybear wrote:Murdercat might know, but uhh let's just go with good gut vibes for now. Definitely not a strong read by any means, but I just wanted to throw it out there.
Welcome btw

In post 12, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Cool let's be town together bear

these posts

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2613 (isolation #53) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:54 am

In post 2605, Cheetory6 wrote:why are we pointing out softs lol
gamma this doesn't matter

I'm pointing out that it might be the "vanilla" role in this setup after all based on the evidence I've collected

@gypyx rude

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2619 (isolation #54) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:58 am

In post 2616, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 2555, Noraa wrote:
In post 2550, Spring Breeze wrote:compulsive fruit vendor selling dixie red peaches
Stop this wagon asap. I'm 99% sure this claim is real.
I agree but fruit vendor can 100% be a mafia role

my feelings match this

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2622 (isolation #55) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 8:58 am

plus the claim stall doesn't entirely match what amounts to a vanilla claim

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2632 (isolation #56) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:04 am

In post 2578, Noraa wrote:Um so I want to save kanna here cuz I think she's town.
Reminds me of the one time I softed tracker when I was actually a town checker.

I understand this comparison but idk if that's fully connectable

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2640 (isolation #57) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:10 am

Noraa if you could go into more detail about how you see kanna's play as similar to yours that would help me see your point better? I want to know what about kanna's playstyle or the circumstances of this game make you feel like she's in a similar position to you.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2656 (isolation #58) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:18 am

In post 2641, Noraa wrote:
In post 2640, Gamma Emerald wrote:Noraa if you could go into more detail about how you see kanna's play as similar to yours that would help me see your point better? I want to know what about kanna's playstyle or the circumstances of this game make you feel like she's in a similar position to you.
Softed a strong pr to bait nk when she was starting to get into a tough position. Hesitates when claiming the real thing which is actually super weak. Isn't that exactly what I did?

I don't feel like the situation is the exact same, the pressure on you seemed stronger in that game and you actually claimed a power role of some sort, afaict kanna just claimed practical-vanilla
which is still a thing town do (see your play in haunted village) but something about the build-up and pay-off here just feels wrong.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2657 (isolation #59) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:18 am

but I will say you're undeniably town here regardless of what kanna flips

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2673 (isolation #60) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 9:24 am

In post 2668, Noraa wrote:
In post 2657, Gamma Emerald wrote:but I will say you're undeniably town here regardless of what kanna flips
why?

don't think you stick your neck out like this for kanna if you're scum
either kanna is a miselim which you want to happen, or a buddy which I feel like you'd have reconciled bussing already atp

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:30 pm

I'm not resisting but it's not like I'm ignoring arguments against SB's lim

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jan 22, 2021 12:53 pm

In post 2782, Jingle wrote:Why are we even considering not limming SB?

Functionally, she claimed VT after softing power.

At worst, we flip her, she's a functional VT, and we have actual context for the pushes and wagons today.
At best, she's scum.

She can never be allowed to approach endgame at this point.
She will never be solved by scum actions.
If we don't eliminate her, this is still going to be a major distraction on later days, when, you know, we'll have better information to hunt elsewhere and we risk outing actually useful roles in the meantime.

VOTE: SB

You know what, I agree with this and her'es why. IN the game noraa referenced where she claimed checker after softing tracker, it was pretty jarring how bad of a role she claimed in comparison to what she softed. Meanwhile kanna's soft-to-claim balance doesn't strike as blatantly atrocious in a way that pings as obvtown like that one did. Noraa's claim from before also had a circumstance of her being okay with her death in an earlier stage of the game which led to her getting more pressure because "why is she softing PR like this when she was fine dying earlier, you don't accept death like that as PR". I think that last point is probably the biggest thing making this not comparable.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2798 (isolation #63) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:20 pm

that seems to make sense
my spec idea would be it's similar to a game zaphkael ran that I was in

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2806 (isolation #64) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:23 pm

but like, who says there are vanillas in this game?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2810 (isolation #65) » Fri Jan 22, 2021 1:27 pm

In post 2808, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 2796, Noraa wrote:I'd prefer killing off a vanilla than a fruit vendor because if there are inventories in this game, it's possible that the peaches she vends can help some pr.
Sounds like a good plan.

VOTE: a vanilla

Oh wait...

better way of expressing my point

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2865 (isolation #66) » Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:58 pm

In post 2862, Noraa wrote:VOTE: Pinkball

reasons will come later.

They better be good

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3102 (isolation #67) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:04 am

In post 2917, Noraa wrote:So kanna/Pinkball/Cake

why are you assuming three scum

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3103 (isolation #68) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:05 am

In post 2928, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2925, Noraa wrote:
In post 2922, SirCakez wrote:
In post 2914, Noraa wrote:
In post 2911, SirCakez wrote:DGB thought this post from Gamma was really bad and I agree
viewtopic.php?p=12540745#p12540745
ur indirectly shading me right now, cake.
How? That post is calling Gamma scummy you're irrelevant to it.
That post is gamma calling me town
That's not why we thought it was scummy.
We didn't like Gamma's position on SB there.

pls explain what "position" that is

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3105 (isolation #69) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:09 am

In post 2950, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 2946, Noraa wrote:unless ... reading up those 2 pages really did take a long time. I guess they are absolutely content packed tho so that's understandable
I'm phoneposting. Noraa, keep this fucking tone with me and you'll regret it

ngl I kinda townread this from PB
this reads like when I pushed him in Pokémon Ruby mafia and he had the mother of all snapbacks

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3110 (isolation #70) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:13 am

In post 3000, midwaybear wrote:
In post 2999, MariaR wrote:
In post 2994, midwaybear wrote:What do you mean by this?
What part of my statement was hard for you to understand?
I was wondering why you would feel offended that people think you made the SPF nightkill.

yeah I'm a bit curious why that would be offensive
maybe a scummate swayed the kill to SPF for reasons MariaR didn't agree with?
:thonk:

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3139 (isolation #71) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:27 am

In post 3093, Pink Ball wrote:If you guys don't start treating me like the IC I am right now I don't even know what's up with you. The level of paranoia you guys are having is not townie, is not "hey I have to consider ALL alternatives because I don't have all the information!", it's plain stupidity. My case is not scum bussing other scum; I DESTROYED SB. Absolutely demolished her. And I gave her enough space to feel comfortable and give us hints on who her teammates are.

Murdersunny, step up dude. Yes, scum probably voted SB. Do you think the best approach to this day is to look at 10 players? From my perspective, all votes after mine are absolutely NAI because SB would never come back from the case I made; as I already said, I destroyed SB. Read SB's ISO again and you'll get a far better and narrowed down playerlist to focus on.

That is all. Stop fucking around.

why do you think the case makes the votes after it NAI? How many votes came after it?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3141 (isolation #72) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:28 am

In post 3094, Pink Ball wrote:And by the way, FYI: as I got SB eliminated, I'll get who I want eliminated today too, so don't sweat it too much with your votes, 'cause you're all going to follow me again.

you're on a soft Glork alert then

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3144 (isolation #73) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:29 am

In post 3099, Noraa wrote:
In post 3074, Morning Tweet wrote:i think that noraa's defense of SB due to the particular reasons she had that made her feel very sure was very towny. something that she thought was exclusive to town gave her great confidence in the read, aka the fruits. I dont think she would think to fake that
No that wasn't the main reason. The main reason was that kanna reminded me of myself in Mini 2 something.

jsyk I feel this is a more common thing for town to bring up than scum (wrt to reminding of Noraa's own play)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3157 (isolation #74) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:38 am

In post 3131, SirCakez wrote:Can we move Zaiden into the townblock?

Seems fair
what's the townblock rn?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3159 (isolation #75) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:41 am

In post 3147, SirCakez wrote:DGB explained it as basically the post felt very confused in a way that was like you are scum and didnt know how to word it. While it would have been a lot clearer as town.

that doesn't seem too off-base, I spent several minutes trying to write that post
but pls tell me how I "should" have worded it as town, because that's kind a presumptuous accusation to say I worded something weird when you don't know my thought process for sure.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3160 (isolation #76) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:43 am

In post 3158, Jingle wrote:
In post 3071, Morning Tweet wrote:Noraa / Pinkball
Cheetory / Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto
This is a pretty solid starting point imo.

yeah I support this
4/7 of those I came to naturally TR just by reading stuff this day phase, and they're the top two tiers, plus I have liked the vibes from you and mwb this day phase, and murdersunny seems pretty solvy in a way that vibes with his town game

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3162 (isolation #77) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:45 am

In post 3150, midwaybear wrote:
In post 3144, Gamma Emerald wrote:jsyk I feel this is a more common thing for town to bring up than scum
Is it? I don't even think the point Noraa made was applicable to this game, and I'm not really sure what prevents scum Noraa from using it to defend her buddy.

I also felt it wasn't exactly applicable but it's the thought that counts I think, it seemed like a close enough instance that I understand Noraa's thinking to an extent, and I myself have used similar logic to read people, to mixed success iirc.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3174 (isolation #78) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:59 am

In post 3163, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3158, Jingle wrote:
In post 3071, Morning Tweet wrote:Noraa / Pinkball
Cheetory / Zaiden
midway / Jingle / Murdercatto
This is a pretty solid starting point imo.
Pooky and Gypyx and you got 9 out 16 alive players that are all probably town

idk about gypyx but I can probably roll with pooky

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3181 (isolation #79) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:02 am

I don't think listmod status has a correlation with player skill??? But you might be right that there's too many SRs on maria rn

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3195 (isolation #80) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:10 am

VOTE: Gypyx
I think we have a bit of a BM+Cakez situation from Among Us with PB and Gypyx

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3202 (isolation #81) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:17 am

In post 3199, Gypyx wrote:
In post 3195, Gamma Emerald wrote:VOTE: Gypyx
I think we have a bit of a BM+Cakez situation from Among Us with PB and Gypyx
what happened there

I initially strongly SRed BM but SRed cakez as well from how he treated my BM SR
eventually I got the sense them being S/S was unlikely and I correctly figured out that BM was town out of that pair

the comparison is that Noraa was initially pushing PB and I think gypyx's posting in response to that situation is rather scummy

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3203 (isolation #82) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:17 am

In post 3200, midwaybear wrote:I could vote Gypyx if Maria doesn't pan out.

wait why do you SR Maria? What's Dunn's thoughts on her rn?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3295 (isolation #83) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 8:37 am

her scumrange is p much infinite
any time she says she's "outside of her scumrange" it's bs

but that doesn't mean she's scum yet

Gamma Emerald · Fri Jan 29, 2021 12:46 pm

In post 3345, MariaR wrote:
In post 3294, Gypyx wrote:maria, you keep saying you're out of your scumrange but like, what's your scumrange?
In a game like this where it's team mafia? A) I would be a lot more active and vocal. Would not have allowed my partner to die Day 1 if I could help it by pushing other wagons hard
2) Never kill SPF here
ever

I am so far out of my range it's insane rn
In post 3295, Gamma Emerald wrote:her scumrange is p much infinite
any time she says she's "outside of her scumrange" it's bs

but that doesn't mean she's scum yet
Not true, scum is just easy to play so it's easy to win. It doesn't make my scum range infinite. Just because I
can
do a lot of things as scum doesn't mean I would.

you have literally boasted about your ever-shifting play in the past
doesn't exactly line up with having a finite scumrange

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3379 (isolation #85) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 1:03 pm

In post 3358, MariaR wrote:Also from Mena; Norraa is acting the same way they did in Xeno blade as a wolf.

not feeling this
send mena this message: he better watch his step because your life hangs in the balance if I start to think he's exhibiting his behavior from Pokemon Ruby mafia through you

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3387 (isolation #86) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:33 pm

In post 3384, Noraa wrote:
In post 3358, MariaR wrote:Also from Mena; Norraa is acting the same way they did in Xeno blade as a wolf.
Mena wasn't even in Xeno......

yeah that read strikes me as high-key bullshit

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3390 (isolation #87) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:49 pm

remember how mena shitpushed me in pokemon ruby when he was scum by using meta for someone who was a non-entity and tried to frame as scum for my predecessor's behavior? I feel like the way mena is trying to meta noraa here is quite similar. I wasn't entirely sure about it until realizing mena had no involvement in that game. Now, whilst mena isn't playing here directly, I think he's playing through MariaR in a way that indicates that group isn't solving this game in an honest way.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3393 (isolation #88) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:57 pm

yeah man
I'm aware I've pushed similar logic as scum but that was under significant duress, here I'm in a position where it's probably wiser to just be a number for folks like you and keely
which like, I'm gonna probably still do but I want to put that read out there as one I think seems legit

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3396 (isolation #89) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:07 pm

I've held the position for a while that I think the townblock is headed in a decent direction
I'm fine playing Cochran this game, mkay?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3402 (isolation #90) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:17 pm

@S_S lmao I thought of it, but idk how well rule of three by omission works
has anyone seen scum actually do something like that with deliberate intent?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3404 (isolation #91) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:18 pm

In post 3401, midwaybear wrote:
In post 3390, Gamma Emerald wrote:whilst mena isn't playing here directly, I think he's playing through MariaR in a way that indicates that group isn't solving this game in an honest way.
Why you think Maria scum decides to project that Noraa scumread through Menalque instead of herself(who actually was in that game)?

reduction of guilt?
Tbh it could be mena legit saying that or maria faking it, but either one I think is sketchy from that slot

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3411 (isolation #92) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:36 pm

if it was just meant as bait I'd feel like it's probably NAI, or at least too drenched with wine to be worth reading into

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3417 (isolation #93) » Fri Jan 29, 2021 7:08 pm

In post 3415, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3411, Gamma Emerald wrote:if it was just meant as bait I'd feel like it's probably NAI, or at least too drenched with wine to be worth reading into
It's WIFOM if you don't analyze the names.

Spring either wants to avoid spewing town on someone who could be a future elimination, or wants to avoid spewing scum on a partner. That's the WIFOMy part.

But out of the three names, the only one that stands out to me is Private. Because Private makes sense as someone you could forget to add to a readlist. If you're town, of course. But if you're scum, you're self aware that maybe someone could come back and say 'hey, Spring forgot about Private, that's weird right?", so you throw a couple of random ass names so it looks like NAI/WIFOM and success, you avoid spewing your LHF, less than 10 posts partner and don't have to commit to another two players. Win win.

If you're town and forget about PI alone or with 2 other players that's fine. I could believe it. If you're scum and PI is town, you don't care not giving a read on him. It would still be believable. But being scum and forgetting about 3 players? You're either all town, or PI is scum, and I'm inclined to the latter

oh yeah thinking about it I did end up calling a scumbuddy out in an off-site game because of similar stuff (in that game one of my scumbuddies got dropped off 2 people's read lists, idr the alignments of the two whose read lists dropped that person tho)
yeah I think the monty read has something to it just off that, though I'll get my notes together and give a full report on what happened in that off-site game, see how applicable the logic is

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3534 (isolation #94) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:05 pm

In post 3425, Something_Smart wrote:PB, you're acting very weird. Can you cut to the chase, please?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3535 (isolation #95) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:08 pm

In post 3448, Noraa wrote:
In post 3447, Gypyx wrote:eh, could we get more content in before we APtL red peoples?
if you think private is scum, why would you say this?
We get scum day 1 and 2 ... doesn't really matter if we don't get much info - we literally will have like tons and tons of lims to waste.

I have seen towns waste such a lead in the past

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3536 (isolation #96) » Sat Jan 30, 2021 3:13 pm

In post 3505, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 3295, Gamma Emerald wrote:her scumrange is p much infinite
any time she says she's "outside of her scumrange" it's bs

but that doesn't mean she's scum yet
I think Gamma is scum for this post

why

I'm really just ripping into mariar for the halibut (plus it's fun to get her goat)

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3589 (isolation #97) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:35 am

In post 3571, Jingle wrote:It feels wrong to me that Jake's interaction with the thread today has been blatant refusal to do anything town, and no one seems to find this objectionable, despite the fact that I've brought it up a few times.

@Pooky, could you poke MathBlade for a gamestate read?

@GE, could you poke A50 for a gamestate read?

@PB, does FL have any thoughts about the PI wagon?

@mwb, could you poke Dunn for an analysis of Maria's play?

@PI is ceph keeping up with this game and does he have any thoughts?

I’ve asked my team for a look at S_S so if a50 obliges that I’ll follow up with asking for a gamestate read

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3594 (isolation #98) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:12 am

In post 3591, SirCakez wrote:
In post 3547, MariaR wrote:From Mena: @S_S Why was PB holding the game hostage a bad thing?
@Gamma This is not how I played in Ruby, besides that game is ages ago and has very little resemblance of my wolf game now anyways. It's funny that you think Maria would just do whatever I want as a wolf here, rather than her setting the entire pace. If she was a wolf she would just wouldn't pass along my msgs if she didn't want to or at least modify them to her liking.
Finally duh I wasn't in Xeno but there's this thing called 'gamings existing after they end' and 'isos are a thing'. Maria and I disagreed about Norra's play so she linked me to Norra's scum game in Xeno and I started to notice her doing things where she calls the wagon on her buddy on D1 trash and goes “omg how could you vote cakez, he’s so obvtown!?!!” (You remember this don't you Cakez? ^^) Hey guys, what is Norra doing this game? Exactly that.
???
Noraa has called me scum repeatedly this game

Noraa did that with SB this game
Which I can see but like, she’s in the townblock rn so that’s not happening, so I’m not going to entertain such a thought for long

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3657 (isolation #99) » Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:04 pm

In post 3644, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 3616, Morning Tweet wrote:Oh Private and Gamma were both players that Kanna just like first omitted from her readslist then brought them on the next time with zero reasoning. Do you really do that both to scum partners - like does that even happen?
"I will do the townies and then figure out where to put my buddies"

In pt: "you forgot to put us in your list"

"Oops"

Did anyone even point it out in main thread?

Hrrrrmmm
I’m trying to find any sort of usable thread between that off-site game I mentioned and here but I’m honestly losing ground rather than gaining it in that regard, like, I had a realization the key point I might have been able to draw something from was a damn fluke

Though like, I’d probably be way more focused on making sure the reads look right to start with? Fwiw

Gamma Emerald · Sun Jan 31, 2021 8:07 pm

In post 3646, MURDERSUNNY wrote:40 minutes pass but no one else posted in the main thread.

Okay yeah actually this DOES make PI look worse imo
The person who ended up being the fluke did have this correction posted very quickly, and it was a scum-scum reader-readee situation so I’m like “hey that comes across as quite similar so maybe my mile-a-minute brain hit a chord here”
VOTE: PrivateI
Putting this here as an expression of my faith in this

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:39 am

In post 3765, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 3658, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3646, MURDERSUNNY wrote:40 minutes pass but no one else posted in the main thread.
Okay yeah actually this DOES make PI look worse imo
The person who ended up being the fluke did have this correction posted very quickly, and it was a scum-scum reader-readee situation so I’m like “hey that comes across as quite similar so maybe my mile-a-minute brain hit a chord here”
VOTE: PrivateI
Putting this here as an expression of my faith in this
note this vote if PI is town, I think gamma looks bad for it

Is this just for the fact I'm the only other one that goes for?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:45 am

In post 3772, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 3770, Gamma Emerald wrote:Is this just for the fact I'm the only other one that goes for?
It applies to you and you are still willing to vote Monty for it, that's seems off to me yeah.

I think the fact I'm voting for Monty given that should show I'm acting in good faith? Like, if Monty flips town I end up in a bad spot that I'm willing to take because I believe the idea I have enough to stake my life on being wrong
So why is your way of looking at it to view it as me being scummy for pushing it? I'm not saying it's a thing scum do exclusively with scum, in fact I presume I was added because I am limbait this game and it makes me look worse.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:49 am

In post 3776, Zaiden wrote:What do these sequence of posts mean, if someone would be kind enough to explain. How does 40 minutes of no posting reflect badly on PrivateI? I'm not following here.

it has to do with the fact there was no one there to comment, so it shows SB was self-conscious of how the absence looked
The scumperson who did it in the offsite game, although I misinterpreted somewhat when I first saw it, also corrected course with 0 prompting in that game, putting the person left off in careful neutral after having forgotten to give an actual read on them. A little later they were also self-conscious of their read on that same scumbuddy so I feel like that's where that comes from

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 9:53 am

The game got out-of-hand lengthwise and I couldn't really effectively address concerns directed my way early and I ended up making a bad first impression

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 10:14 am

Cephrir clearly knows nothing about me lol
I tend to overexplain a lot in real life and that bleeds into my mafia play
It’s especially bad when I’m trying to set context, such as for my offsite meta point

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:44 am

In post 3858, Pink Ball wrote:Oh and when I said that voting anyone else than Private today would be a vanity read? Well that's because even if the scumteam wants to get rid of Private today because he's the goon, that's what we're going to do just in case Private is town and we have to eliminate MorningTweet instead. Private's elimination gives all the info we need to solve this game, 'cause it's either already solved, or at least we got a difficult scum pinged (MorningTweet or SS)

VOTE: PrivateI

I do have a vibe that SS could be scum
but I'm trying to have some of my team check me on that because I feel like the vibe is similar to Tenet where I wrongly SRed SS

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:46 am

why did you let Noraa into the townblock earlier today PB if you're SRing Noraa like this rn

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 11:58 am

In post 3880, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3873, Gamma Emerald wrote:why did you let Noraa into the townblock earlier today PB if you're SRing Noraa like this rn
To avoid Noraa clogging the thread like she's doing right now?

I read some games with Noraa in them 'cause I thought it was funny how every nomination she got on the scummies talked about her postcount like if that had something to do with how much effort you put in a game.

Turns out that she just clogs threads. I needed to give some space to see to consolidate my solve and now I don't have to deal with the noise.

That is a very smart move tbh
and like I feel you on the thread clogging point, and if you die at some point I will attempt to carry the torch on this (though like, I'll try to pay attention to the full of the read)

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:02 pm

What about MT's play is towny rn PB?
I ask because I kinda lack any real impression of MT at all

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:05 pm

In post 3904, Pink Ball wrote:
In post 3900, Gamma Emerald wrote:What about MT's play is towny rn PB?
I ask because I kinda lack any real impression of MT at all
You'll have to talk with Jingle about that. He can answer this question better than me, 'cause I thought Murder was scum when the day started.

MT = morning tweet

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:17 pm

In post 3912, Jingle wrote:Every non protective role claims tomorrow.

this is not a good plan

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:21 pm

In post 3917, Jingle wrote:MT towncase.

In post 3245, Jingle wrote:The gist of my MT townread is this:

When here, she consistently posts things that either have a clear trajectory or a very town organization to them. Take for example 3071:

You might say it's a summary, and there is certainly a summary aspect to it. However, it also comes with it's fair share of analysis. Her take on PB not being a bus is basically the same reasoning from my post at Noraa. The stop in the middle to look at SB's reads comes across as a genuine attempt at scumhunting, and the notations there all struck me as relevant. All of the events she brought up do strike me as noteworthy. She doesn't shy away from analyzing motivations (see: murder and preflips, gypyx with maria case) but also doesn't force analysis on every little thing. Possibly best of all, it doesn't feel like there's a motivation to this post. She does all of this analysis and work and ends up with what seems to be a pretty solid starting place for a towncore. It doesn't look like she's doing it for the towncred, because she keeps hunting when the post is done and isn't really trying to steer the conversation away from any suspicious characters.

She's been fairly consistently doing that throughout her ISO, in fact. Sure, MT doesn't really make huge waves, but nothing she's done gives me any thoughts that she's trying to push the game in a proscum direction either. She's just been sitting there, solidly putting in the work and coming to decent conclusions while not really having much attention paid to her in comparison to the big flashy fights and cases. Unlike the lurker crew, though, she IS actively working to advance the gamestate.

Okay
curious how my play isn't working to advance the gamestate (using your words), like, I admit I'm not really adding much but I'm doing what I can to assist the movers and shakers of the game. Don't see why that doesn't count as "advancing the gamestate"

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:24 pm

In post 3941, Noraa wrote:To be honest, I think gamma is scum here and not anyone else that is talking a shit ton rn(ie Murder, Pink Ball, Jingle, cheet)
I could see Murder as scum here. I could see it but I don't think its a top priority for today and there's been so many pushers that I honestly just think murder is just town here.
I find a lot of problems in gamma being my biggest defender until the moment some people start voicing suspicions on me. Like yes personal reads are influenced by consensus reads but I don't think reads are ever THAT fluid.

Remember Xenoblade 2 where I dug in my heels and made myself look like an idiot? I'm not exactly feeling like replicating that.
In addition the meta points pulled up on you do feel solid. I felt like the comparison to xenoblade 2 made sense, and I have first hand experience because of mafiasunny that you DO clog up game threads as scum.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:27 pm

big thinking hours have just started y'all

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:28 pm

how many peaches did you get in total, jingle?

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:32 pm

well that's super fucking interesting then
I'm the sunhigh peach FV, and I targeted PB last night

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:35 pm

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:37 pm

er what?
There's probably several things that could be going on
let's not jump to any conclusions

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:40 pm

If PB got a loring that would have probably been brought up already? Like it was the peach he sent, him getting it would be a bit of a concern
I don't know what the fuck is happening but I know SOMEONE is talking out their ass (I'm not saying who until later)

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 12:46 pm

that's not how that works
a and b get bus driven
c visits a, the action ends up affecting b
it doesn't affect anything a or b does unless one targets the other

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:34 pm

Jake you’re gonna need to not openwolf at some point
You don’t have a dethy to back you up here

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 01, 2021 5:45 pm

Okay so I’m not sunhigh anymore
Idk if claiming anything more is wise rn

Gamma Emerald · Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:52 am

So this is basically what happened to me in Guitarists mafia lol

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 04, 2021 6:59 pm

In post 4214, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Please don't fast elim, I want to read isos

I don’t have any particular things planned but I also don’t want this day to go on too long

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:52 am

In post 4266, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 4233, Noraa wrote:Can morning and S_S claim their peach flavors?
Rio Grande.

I vended to two dead people, though, so it's unlikely to matter.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:57 am

In post 4297, Jingle wrote:
In post 4295, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i cant believe noraa is trying to dumb tell on the number of scum yet again after death curse rofl

you are the best noraa

never change
Am I to take this as “it’s likely to be an untrustworthy slip”?

I think she just dumbtells a lot
it's not AI p much ever

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:01 am

I don't mean it as in you're not smart
you just make silly mistakes or ask questions that seem like slips/attempted slips a lot

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:29 am

fyi just by play I'd vote MT over S_S, but I have other irons in the fire that complicate matters
I don't believe we have a ninja unless there's other watcher-type roles in this game, to put in my 2 cents there

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 11:31 am

cannot say due to ongoing games

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:41 pm

Does anyone here think PB’s MT/Noraa anti-partner read made sense

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:04 pm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:42 pm

In post 4375, Jake The Wolfie wrote:
In post 4371, Noraa wrote:I have failed to read you before, I admit.
But I think that I am not wrong here because unlike the last time I read you wrong, this time, everything feels right. All the pieces fall into place nicely and I see a cake that doesn't resemble the town one at all
You soulread cake!scum that game and this game, you clown.

what's the use of calling noraa a clown, eh?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 3:30 pm

I decline to answer.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:30 pm

Regardless of my (or anyone’s) Cakez read he shouldn’t be today’s lim, and I feel like his alignment is not readily determinable atm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:51 pm

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:52 pm

btw if you're thinking of TRing Noraa over this exercise:

DON'T.

This is not an AI move, and if I have to I will show exactly why.

Gamma Emerald · Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:04 pm

I give out honey babe peaches rn
No peaches received

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:05 pm

I got no peaches

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:36 pm

VOTE: pooky

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:37 pm

Btw if I die at night ever, lim gypyx

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:18 am

In post 4738, Gypyx wrote:
In post 4735, Gamma Emerald wrote:Btw if I die at night ever, lim gypyx

ooooh spicy

but why tho

just cuz

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:34 am

caughtscum!pooky is so boooring

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:01 pm

is there a reason for town!cheet to have caught you if you're town?
If so why haven't you claimed it?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:33 pm

In post 4851, MURDERSUNNY wrote:
In post 4485, Jingle wrote:There is a reason I want all of these claims. If you have not yet claimed your peach flavor, please do so or explain why you don't want to do so.
Redglobe, now after mod error

Honey Babe, yo

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:58 pm

In post 4924, Cheetory6 wrote:please don't let murder near endgame.
thanks all.
sorry for being a grumpass this game.

imagine that I have that old man ascii art I'm too lazy to get it right now.

Why is MUDERSUNNY scum?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:01 pm

Seems legit enough.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:22 pm

It probably gives us a clear view of our remaining tools to catch scum
I’m ambivalent to massclaim

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:36 pm

In post 4970, MariaR wrote:I'd like if someone could do a few colored VCs for us to look at

I might do this
Had the idea myself

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:37 pm

Pooky did say the way S_S didn’t push Morning seemed indicative that they were both scum

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:44 pm

I forgot Pooky flipped scum ,._.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:51 pm

Why do you TR me Maria

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:57 pm

last two days I forgot my NA and my peach got randomized
pooky got it n3, I kinda wanna play cagey with my action from last night for a sec

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:40 pm

Gamma Emerald · Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:32 am

In post 5046, Noraa wrote:
In post 5045, Gypyx wrote:i could see a world where it's noraa tbh, but other than that idk, poe is getting pretty small
I'm like two tiers higher than conftown don't even.

yeah gypyx idunno what you're talking about

Gamma Emerald · Wed Feb 17, 2021 7:58 am

In post 5077, MURDERSUNNY wrote:When I'm face up town self voting...

Gypyx might be the scum instead of Maria tbh

I’m thinking this too

Gamma Emerald · Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:00 am

Kinda wanna lim murder just to be safe though

Gamma Emerald · Wed Feb 17, 2021 3:22 pm

In post 5159, MURDERSUNNY wrote:Ok I looked through the 3-way scum iso and have some thoughts actually but I won't be able to write them up tonight.
If you could give me until end of day tomorrow to write them up along with some VCA that would be nice.

I can wait.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 18, 2021 9:08 am

Gamma Emerald · Thu Feb 18, 2021 4:25 pm

VOTE: Gypyx
I’m p sure this is scum already but msunny’s case just makes it feel more assured

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:49 pm

I think it’s less that people TR me and more that they don’t SR me, at least not as much as Maria/Murder/Gypyx

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:28 am

VOTE: MariaR
Murdersunny has a point
Maria’s play has been a lot of coasting imo

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 am

Honestly I’m half-bothered by the fact MariaR’s TR on me is seemingly mostly meta
I think I have not been playing in a way where that exact read is justified. That’s open to convincing though.

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:31 am

What made you think things had shifted to night phase

Gamma Emerald · Mon Feb 22, 2021 2:11 pm

In post 5301, Something_Smart wrote:sorry for falling off of the face of the earth

I feel like we can just kill whoever today and move on. The odds are better than even that we can just break this game mechanically.

How
What mechanics do we have at our disposal

Gamma Emerald · Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:00 am

Unless an unexpected kill happens I think we just go down the list

Gamma Emerald · Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 am

I mean that’s a fine list to go down tbh
But I meant the (Maria, Gypyx, MURDERSUNNY) list

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:30 pm

before anything major happens I need to read a few posts over

Gamma Emerald · Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:44 pm

I read the posts and it's probably overblown

Gamma Emerald · Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:53 pm

VOTE: murdersunny

Gamma Emerald · Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:28 pm

I’m just a CFV

Gamma Emerald · Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:29 pm

And like, you know where I’m at m8

Gamma Emerald · Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:57 pm

Who came up with the theoretical final 4? I’m curious what made them think MWB would get NKed over Noraa.
Yes I called out MWB, there’s a logic to this.

Gamma Emerald · Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:53 pm

A50 has been saying since like the previous day phase that he thought scum was between Murder/Noraa with an outside chance of MWB
I’m not sure if he’s re-assessed that at all but based on that MWB’s equity seems high for being scum
But I personally don’t want to lose to Gypyx if he’s scum

Gamma Emerald · Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:06 pm

Yeah abstain might be the right choice here

Gamma Emerald · Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:10 pm

VOTE: Abstain

Gamma Emerald · Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:29 pm

In post 5509, Gypyx wrote:if i die, don't y'all even dare to touch mwb

:/

Gamma Emerald · Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:39 pm

In post 5527, midwaybear wrote:Fair.
Can Gypyx, Gamma, and Cakez please claim their inventories?

I got nothing

Gamma Emerald · Fri Mar 19, 2021 1:32 pm

can someone just clarify everything that came up today in particular?

Gamma Emerald · Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:04 am

Damn the prods are lax here
I got 2 peaches last night

Gamma Emerald · Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:09 am

And jsyk I was actually flaked but I need to get in contact with someone and rn I can only contact them on here

Gamma Emerald · Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:30 am

I’m gonna play this out ig atp

Gamma Emerald · Wed Mar 31, 2021 2:12 pm

springprince and rio grande

Gamma Emerald · Wed Mar 31, 2021 4:23 pm

In post 5689, Zaiden wrote:Btw I was under the impression 3 is inventory viewer and 4 is the stealer. I assumed they were separate abilities.

I was so certain that one of Cakez/Gypyx was going to die. I'm pretty glad MWB goes because I think many of us were uncertain and if he made it to endgame and I made it to endgame too I probably would have bet against him. Well it's a bit too late but I if I was on before any info was divulged I would have suggested not revealing who has 4/5 and making it a 50/50 tossup for scum to deal with. I suppose that plan would have to assume that the person carrying 4/5 peaches isn't scum because they could easily off the other one going into this night and claim to have had the 4/5 peaches.

Unfortunately I think this means Gypyx is pretty much a dead player walking. Hopefully my theory on 4 peaches = stealer is incorrect, because we ideally want an ability that has more useful utility than peach stealing.

idk why but this post bothers me quite a bit

Gamma Emerald · Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:35 pm

Btw who got a honey babe peach last night
That’s what mine is

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:59 pm

I’m here. I will try to form some clear thoughts on the game events but there’s something disturbing about Gypyx’s actions IMO. I feel like he pushed Noraa at a point where logic kinda dictated she shouldn’t be pushed. Someone in another game accidentally let slip Noraa’s alignment in this game. I kept my lips shut but held the knowledge still. Gypyx modded the game where that information bled out, but despite that I recall he tried to point suspicion her way after that slip-up occurred. So that’s why I was acting like a PR, was because I had something I couldn’t say effectively until the strings tying my mouth were cut.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:12 pm

Is Zaiden’s case against me literally all just speculation off of my radio silence??????

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:16 pm

In post 5752, Gypyx wrote:
In post 5749, SirCakez wrote:I know Gamma pretty well and I don't think he'd use false-flaking as a tactic...
Wasn't he missing sitewide too?
he was missing site-wide yes

also for the record, when *i* forgot to vend peach, UT didn't even bother warning me and remind me of night actions, so really Zaiden that doesn't mean much, i actually think that UT reminding you of night actions kinda points towards you being scum, as the mod is generally gonna pay more attention to scum actions

This is a valid point about mod reminders
I could say more but it’s probably a rules breach to say the exact thing I have in mind. Just know I’m extra inclined to think scum would get preference.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:18 pm

When exactly did Zaiden get reminded of his NA because the more recent it happened the worse it looks for him IMO

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:23 pm

In post 5791, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5768, SirCakez wrote:It seems way outside of scumrange
Why

Isn't the entire thing just complaining about being scumread

With S_S here, what specifically makes it that way?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 2:25 pm

In post 5803, Zaiden wrote:Going into tonight, we can agree on someone who will execute the final vote for whatever people choose on the 17th. Probably Gamma since we've confirmed they weren't present on Mafiascum.net during the night the kill happened. And have everyone go offline on the 16th, then not comment for 1-2 days when the game restarts, so we can play with the idea that actions can be sent to Unpod Tripod through Discord DMs. And therefore being offline on this site for the whole night doesn't necessarily say much about conf town or not. Regardless of the outcome, even if I end up being voted off, I want this proven so that a scum!Gamma doesn't get away with being in the clear for something I truly perceive as not a conf town thing. If people forget about it and it does not get confirmed, it's game winning for scum in the event where Gamma is scum who pulled off a huge gambit.

You’re really slitting your throat with Hanlon’s Razor here
Why is your first inclination that my inactivity is this massive ploy?

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:13 pm

In post 5711, Zaiden wrote:I don't think it necessarily clears Gamma's slot. From what I've heard, you can turn yourself to be not seen online. My team's a bit on the fence. Hopkirk believes Gamma is telling the truth. But Hectic's really cautious and reckons Gamma could totally pull off a huge gambit to try and win the game. I'm pretty undecided myself. I'm down to no eliminate for now, follow through with the plan and see where it takes us.

If Cakez is on 4 peaches, with GE and Gypyx both on 2/3 peaches, we would be looking at 2 likely guaranteed trackers for scum to pick between going into tomorrow.

I don’t like how Zaiden’s logic flipped from “Gamma used invisible mode” to “Gamma sent action via Discord”, all while constantly pushing me
That sort of logical disconnect comes from scum much more often IMO
I’m inclined to hammer Zaiden this moment but want to allow myself time to review past game events. I should be around tomorrow before deadline at least, so that’s probably not a worry.

Gamma Emerald · Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:25 pm

In post 5817, SirCakez wrote:What is hanlon's razor

It’s the idea of not attributing ill intent to something when ignorance is a possible answer ("never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity", is the literal definition)
I’m stretching the meaning a bit but I’m saying he’s assumed I have some master plan when really I don’t. Sometimes inactivity/apathy has been my actual tactic, but it’s like, one out of 100 times I’d use it. It’s more reasonable to think whatever my alignment is, any inactivity is for legitimate reasons. I had an off-site game where I missed deadline for several game days, which ended up extending the lifespan of my team since they were frequently on the chopping block. I didn’t mean to be away at those times, but because it happened that way my team lasted long enough to get me the win (I think, maybe we could have won even with early losses). So like, the fact Zaiden assumes I’m deliberately attempting to pull the wool over everyone is kinda awful. My first guess would be he’s scum trying to apply scum motives he could come up with for his own behavior in a similar situation.

Gamma Emerald · Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am

VOTE: Zaiden
Probably too late, sorry
Took a nap this morning that ran way too long.

Gamma Emerald · Thu May 06, 2021 6:09 am

In post 5829, Untrod Tripod wrote:Zaiden,
Mafia Semi-Godfather Compulsive Fruit Vendor
has been asked politely to leave on Day 8

Town wins.

I just moved across the country for a new job, and am currently without furniture and regular internet, in addition to doing job orientation stuff. Survey will be sent out soon along with anything else.

Thanks to everyone who stuck this one out. It was a bit of a slog towards the end.

phew, at least it's over. Winning is just a bonus to me atp

In post 5830, T-Bone wrote:I will be sending out the survey shortly, UT is still without good internet in his new place.

I'll try to fill this out if I can muster the energy ad enough opinions given I was extremely OOTL

Gamma Emerald · Thu May 06, 2021 6:31 am

I'm really sorry I ruined this with my absence
I definitely should have either acknowledged my issue by replacing out myself, or been force replaced much earlier. I have a bit of an issue where I try to pretend everything is okay and normal no matter how much I am struggling, up to the point where it's probably too late to recover.