Mini 1564 - Nyctapolis (~owari~)

[pieguyn]

Blue Yoshi replaces thenewearth!

votecount 3.3

undo (3) - Faster Than Light, Formerfish, iamsteve
Formerfish (1) - Empking

Not voting (5) - undo, InsidiousLemons, Raging Bull, Blue Yoshi, notSakura

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Deadline is 4/28, 21:00 GMT-7 or in (expired on 2014-04-28 21:00:00).

[Blue Yoshi]

aaaohgoshthestuff

Okay I'm going to do a quick go through so don't mind me

[Blue Yoshi]

3 minutes between prod and replace what a record.
First read through tells me VOTE: Empking, but I'm going to take a more careful look through everyone's ISO.
Day 3 replaces are fun. Time to play a game called KETCHUP.

[Blue Yoshi]

Just so everyone knows there's been a 12 hour gap between this post and the last. It's not just me triple posting (though technically it is?)

All I'm noticing from the majority of Empking's posts is a lot of just finding someone, anyone, to lynch. He came right out of the bat at the beginning of the day by trying to vote the most likely person to get lynched (at least, imo).
I find #226 especially scummy, because it just seems like he's looking for approval on the CD lynch, and if not that, trying to get his teammates to vote for him.
#241 looks like an attempt at baiting out a scummy response to hammer the nail in his coffin.

So yeah, my vote stays where it is.

[notSakura]

So, what are your reads on everyone else and why?
What do you think about my massclaim proposal?
Why Empking over undo?

[Blue Yoshi]

I'll answer the third question because I'm about to leave for school.
undo played a strong D1, and doesn't seem to be flailing around now as most scum do when they are in a situation that they cannot control.
However, if I am wrong, show me meta that proves it.

[Formerfish]

The problem I am having with a mass claim is that we have no idea what the setup is and therefor wouldn't have much to go off of with the claims. Other than that I have no issue with claiming if that is what we all decide to do.

[undo]

Follow my list on lynchpool and we should be fine, considering we have a least more than 1 mislynch left in worst case scenario

Your lynchpool contains 5 players, including me (and two players I'm townreading, though I'm guessing that doesn't interest you).
There may be 2 or 3 scum in this game.
We probably have 2 mislynches left.
You see?

i dont see

5 players in my lynchpool

2 or 3 scum

2 mislynches

i think my lynch pool is a pretty safe bet, considering that those outside the lynchpool are my townreads = in my honest opinion 0% chance of scum

I meant to say if there are 3 scum, they are 2 mislynches away from winning the game. That would mean if we mislynch today, we're at LyLo tomorrow. So even if we assume that your lynchpool actually contains all scum -- something we don't even know for sure -- it may still fail town.

@Blue Yoshi
Welcome. What do you think of ILemons?

[undo]

@Empking
Why were you townreading me at the beginning of this day?

[Blue Yoshi]

@undo I don't remember specifically what I said about IL, but I'm pretty sure I noted that he was especially active in the game, with a fair amount of scumhunting. One of my better town reads.
Also there's 9 people left, so this is either a 3 mafia setup and we have 1 ML before Lylo, or a 4 mafia setup and we're in Lylo. I would never imagine 2 mafia in a 13p setup, unless they both have awesome powers. Either way, I'd prefer not to risk an ML because there's a chance of losing right now. And also basing a strategy on MLs, except for an insta-win town one, is stupid.

Also for anyone's curiosity I'm currently on my phone waiting for a plane, so I won't be making long walls or deep quotes as it is difficult to keep track of everything.

[notSakura]

I think the 4 mafia theory goes out of the window if undo's town, which you seem to believe so why point it out?

[Blue Yoshi]

To show my disapproval of purposefully MLing.

[undo]

@undo I don't remember specifically what I said about IL, but I'm pretty sure I noted that he was especially active in the game, with a fair amount of scumhunting. One of my better town reads.

Thanks. But note that the only players you've mentioned so far were Empking and me.

[InsidiousLemons]

I dunno about the whole 4 mafia thing. BY is being weird in general, actually. I'm not sure.

[Empking]

Just so everyone knows there's been a 12 hour gap between this post and the last. It's not just me triple posting (though technically it is?)

All I'm noticing from the majority of Empking's posts is a lot of just finding someone, anyone, to lynch. He came right out of the bat at the beginning of the day by trying to vote the most likely person to get lynched (at least, imo).

Undo got two votes out of the gate. He was definitely most likely to be lynched wen I decided to vote Former.

Undo: Your posts have siomply looked extremely townie to me.

Former: Scum clearly aren't remotely trying to get someone other than Undo lynched.

[undo]

Former: Scum clearly aren't remotely trying to get someone other than Undo lynched.

Are you scumreading Former and/or iamsteve?

[notSakura]

To show my disapproval of

purposefully

MLing.

What, where has anyone here ever shown something ever remotely close to that, also you haven't answered my other questions either that you supposedly were going to answer when coming back.

[Formerfish]

I could see Steve as scum here and looking to bus. I am town and unless someone wants to counter FTL as a mason they are conftown. Let's assume for a second a scum read on me is one that is incorrect, how does that change peoples view of the Undo wagon? Even counting Steve as scum we still have 2 more out there, in all likely hood. Does anyone really think that those remaining scum couldn't figure out a plausible enough reason to vote Undo right now and justify their part in the mislynch later?

This is why I think that we are on the right track with Undo.

[Formerfish]

I also see Emp as scum for his vote parking and roles in 2 mislynches.

So I'm calling and Undo/Steve/Emp scum team.

[Raging Bull]

Whats the difference between emp votes and mine then?

[Formerfish]

Vote parking on an easily seen mislynch opportunity. RG look at Emps play in the song upick game, large theme if I'm remembering correctly, his play is nothing like it was there.

[undo]

I could see Steve as scum here and looking to bus. I am town and unless someone wants to counter FTL as a mason they are conftown. Let's assume for a second a scum read on me is one that is incorrect, how does that change peoples view of the Undo wagon? Even counting Steve as scum we still have 2 more out there, in all likely hood. Does anyone really think that those remaining scum couldn't figure out a plausible enough reason to vote Undo right now and justify their part in the mislynch later?

This is why I think that we are on the right track with Undo.

Really? You accuse my posts of being WIFOM and now you post this?

If Empking is in fact scum he is smart enough not to go with the obvious wagon. He's a wagonsetter, not a wagonfollower.

It's also possible that you and iamsteve are scum together, of course.

[InsidiousLemons]

I could see Steve as scum here and looking to bus. I am town and unless someone wants to counter FTL as a mason they are conftown. Let's assume for a second a scum read on me is one that is incorrect, how does that change peoples view of the Undo wagon? Even counting Steve as scum we still have 2 more out there, in all likelyhood.

Does anyone really think that those remaining scum couldn't figure out a plausible enough reason to vote Undo right now and justify their part in the mislynch later?

This is why I think that we are on the right track with Undo.

Wait, what? Am I reading this wrong, or did you just make an argument for undo being town and the people in his wagon being scum, and then say that 2 people not on his wagon plus Undo himself are scum?

[InsidiousLemons]

EBWOP: The bottom line of former's post should've been bolded as well.

[Formerfish]

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it Lemon Party? I was saying

if

he were town then that should have happened by now. It hasn't, points to scum.

And yeah I guess its a little wifomy, but no, it's pretty much the definition of usual scum play. Granted, we're working on odds here, but that's what we've got at the moment. You can't be so blind as to dismiss everything as WIFOM; you have to use some common sense too. How do you analyze a wagon in which you don't know the alignment of every player, for example? You're never sure of everything, sometimes you have to go with the most probable options. Some moves are just too risky for scum to make, even when they plan on playing the WIFOM card.

This is more analytical and meta on my part.

I'll also get to why Emp is scum based on his voting patterns this game, if you and on the edge of your seat for that insight just take a look at his iso and you'll see it too.