Mini Normal 1865: Shadow Mafia(Game Over)

[CloudKicker]

luv, you can soft pr in general and not specifically a certain role, there also likely more than one pr townside on the setup so its not mutually exclusive

[Lil Uzi Vert]

Cloudie I'm SRing you now.
I hate the phrasing of that post.
I feel like it implies that scum saw it by now so they're just sharing it with the town.

And Uzi, what the fuck?

I said what I said. Don't play games next time.

[Lil Uzi Vert]

luv, you can soft pr in general and not specifically a certain role, there also likely more than one pr townside on the setup so its not mutually exclusive

I know that, but I have a feeling what PR you think he is. I'm just telling you that I know he's not that PR.

[CloudKicker]

Cloudie I'm SRing you now.
I hate the phrasing of that post.
I feel like it implies that scum saw it by now so they're just sharing it with the town.

And Uzi, what the fuck?

What i meant is that the way trivium softed was blatant and luv asking for why we townread him slot made us avoid the subject altogether and it made the attention on trivium softing even more obvious. Theres no reason for me to fake my townread on trivium to someone genuinely asking, luv, when mafia probably already has the infos im trying to hide

[CloudKicker]

luv, you can soft pr in general and not specifically a certain role, there also likely more than one pr townside on the setup so its not mutually exclusive

I know that, but I have a feeling what PR you think he is. I'm just telling you that I know he's not that PR.

i can assure you i have no special pr in mind

[CloudKicker]

@alisea its better to out pr reads like that when they are oblivious, it just hinder town to not out it, also i dont see scumgain by doing this as scum and getting a lot of attention for it, since scum has day talk and its considered scummy to out pr reads

[Lil Uzi Vert]

All you two had to say was a gut feeling and I probably would have dropped it.

[CloudKicker]

nah its fine anyway i prefer that than akward deadline wagons

[Trivium]

anyway i this point everyone saw it and theres no reason to hide infos to town, triviums has been obliviously softing pr pretty darn hard since day start and im personnaly treating him as semi-clear atm

Wow well if I had had the chance I would have told Uzi to shut the fuck up before this happened but fuck it

[Trivium]

Also desperado is scum as hell.

[Trivium]

VOTE: Desperado

[Lil Uzi Vert]

I wouldn't have shut up if you were here to be honest.

Kyouko, I know you'll be online later. Explain to me your read on Trivium again when you see this.

[Trivium]

I wouldn't have shut up if you were here to be honest.

Kyouko, I know you'll be online later. Explain to me your read on Trivium again when you see this.

Alright well looking back over what cloud says, it makes a bit of sense she'd out me. I don't personally agree, but that's my business.

[Trivium]

He'd

[Shadow_step]

Krylea has failed to pick their prod up and will be replaced.

LMAO auto-correct

[Gamma Emerald]

LOL products

[Elena Fisher]

Phone posting I should be back by the 8th still but to give a tldr on my reads atm
Bbt town
Alisae town
Cloud town
Luv light tr
Gamma hard scum
Ssbm light sr

vote gamma

[ssbm_Kyouko]

both of you literraly did the 100% omgus on my face just cause i poked at you both this is so out of proportion, i just said i liked 3 goddam fucking slot on 14 pages how is that even generous ? Maybe im just idk, skilled at the game and confident enough in my read to those reads early on? both wagons were terrible and you should know that, i also do not need to overexplain my reads to everyone, i did explain all the very said reads when i outed them it should be enough for now

Okay, so you're confident in your townreads but aren't going to explain them, and instead attack my reads, which I am both confident in and have explained.

please explain me how you can be arrogant enough to think you can pin me and a partner so fast go ahead

Arrogance and confidence are not the same thing. I'm still paying attention to what else is going on in this game, if I were being arrogant the rest of this game would blow right past me.

LUV, I never said he had more information than the town. My scumread of cloud is based on his simultaneous townreads of Alisae and Trivium, and was strengthened by his choice to discredit my scumread instead of just hunting his own.
Elena's wagon evaporated when I suggested we vote for Alisae/Trivium. This suggested to me that at least 1 of the people voting for Elena was more concerned with making big wagons than they were with finding scum, because they easily jumped to the other wagons when the opportunity was presented to them by town (me). 1-2 of the Elena voters were probably scum which makes me think she is town. With 3 wagons of equal size I find it very hard to believe scum would be voting each other at that stage. She's a low priority sort to me right now because she's very unlikely to be scum

i explained my reads

, your read went from

literraly nowhere

Spoiler: Cloud explaining his reads

Youre off bro, not going to talk about ongoing game but i feel like i can read you pretty well, i disagree with your reads you outed, i not only disagree on the content of the read itself but the also how fast you outed it and so on, you made numerous posts i dont like,

i can post them and explain my train of thoughts if you like

Here cloud says he can explain what he's thinking if I want

Can you point to anything that indicates they're both town?

Then I ask him to explain his reads, basically show how he came to that conclusion

Can you point to anything that indicates they're both town?

do i need to overexplain every single read i have in the game ? i just read 14 pages and thought those 3 slots were looking good while tri towntold

Then he repeats what he originally said when he outed his reads, just as vaguely as before without pointing anything specific out, even though he offered to explain himself.

both of you literraly did the 100% omgus on my face just cause i poked at you both this is so out of proportion, i just said i liked 3 goddam fucking slot on 14 pages how is that even generous ? Maybe im just idk, skilled at the game and confident enough in my read to those reads early on? both wagons were terrible and you should know that, i also do not need to overexplain my reads to everyone, i did explain all the very said reads when i outed them it should be enough for now

When I press him on his (probably fraudulent) reads he starts turning nasty and repeats he doesn't need to explain himself.

Spoiler: Where my reads came from

VC 1.3

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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  Alisae

  (L-4): BlueBloodedToffee, KainTepes, Trivium

  
  
  

  

  Elena Fisher

  (L-4): Lil Uzi Vert, krylea, Alisae

  
  
  

  

  Trivium

  (L-4): ssbm_Kyouko, Desperado, Gamma Emerald

  
  
  

  Gamma Emerald

  (L-5): Zachstralkita, Elena Fisher

  
  
  

  krylea

  (L-6): All Alone

  
  
  

  Not voting

  (1): CloudKicker

  
  

Mod Notes

: I like how no one noticed all the mistakes in the last votecount (i can't edit posts, that's shadow's job)

• CloudKicker's V/LA ends January 5^th
  
  ssbm_Kyouko's V/LA ends January 2^nd

Deadline

is January 15^th, 2017 at 9:00 pm (GMT 5:30), which is in (expired on 2017-01-15 21:00:00).

I noticed the mistake in the last VC btw, assumed it came from the automated system because Alisae's vote ninja'd your VC.

Anyways, we have 3 3-person wagons atm. 2 of the wagons are on players that are the 3rd voters on other wagons. I suggest we dispense with this Elena wagon and proceed with Alisae/Trivium.

One of them is probably opportunistically on the other wagons. Alisae and Trivium are not a team imo

(This is why wagons matter )

I feel like scum are more likely to try to get onto early wagons because votes that would look opportunistic later in the game do not look as scummy in the early phase of the game. This is why when I saw Alisae and Trivium had equally sized wagons and that they were both in a prime location on a wagon for scum to be, I felt that competing Alisae/Trivium wagons would be ideal.

Elena is probtown because of how easily her wagon broke imo, unless Alisae+Elena was theatering. Seems unlikely because alisae got onto Elena's wagon as the 3rd instead of going onto her other buddy for a safeplace or to one of the other leading wagons

.

EITHER
Alisae scum (maybe with LUV)
OR
Trivium scum (maybe with Krylea)

Alisae looks more likely for being the 3rd vote on the town!Elena wagon. Trivium is also looking townier with the scumhunting following the breakdown of the leading Trivium/Alisae wagons, whereas Alisae is smalltalking, not really scumhunting in the aftermath

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Going to continue with notes and stay tuned/hunting but I probably won't lynch outside these 2 today. Focus is gonna be on figuring out which is scum

My read on Elena is clearly laid out in the first bolded section. The second bolded section goes over Trivium looking more towny and Alisae not doing so.

So cloud is probably scum with one of Trivium or Alisae, doesn't really matter which at this point since he's trying to hide which one by calling their wagons tvt

VOTE: CloudKicker

This post comes before I really solidify that Trivium is town, and Cloud looks to be trying to throw shade on my reads instead of focusing on his own scumreads (Gamma, Kyouko, All Alone). I think a player more concerned with shading than scumhunting is probably not town, and I realized that since he makes sense with both of them I'm no longer guessing between a scum and town, I can just vote a scum.

I wouldn't have shut up if you were here to be honest.

Kyouko,

I know you'll be online later

. Explain to me your read on Trivium again when you see this.

Damn, they've figured out I'm a nightwalking degenerate. I wasn't considering Triv to be softing pr if that's what you're getting at. Basically after the 3 wagons on Alisae, Trivium, and Elena turned into 2 larger wagons on Alisae and Trivium, Trivium was still making his same effort to find scum but I think Alisae did not. Trivium seems to be focused on the right things. He's scumhunting, he's reacting townily to being TRed, questioning the players that TR him and staying out of anyone's pocket.

[Gamma Emerald]

How is avoiding pocketing a towntell

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Town are aware scum will try to pocket them and will try to avoid being pocketed because it will lead to them playing against their wincon

What do you think of avoiding pocketing? You seem to disagree

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the better thing to check is whether attempts to pocket someone are being made

[ssbm_Kyouko]

lol im really comfortable with my alisea/tri/zach townreads

Lol I'm really uncomfortable with you right now.

This is what I was looking at

[KainTepes]

VOTE: SSBM KYOUKO

WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING AT??????????????

[CloudKicker]

@ssbm misrep again, #330 i was talking about my gamma reads to gamma

[KainTepes]

Phone posting I should be back by the 8th still but to give a tldr on my reads atm
Bbt town
Alisae town
Cloud town
Luv light tr
Gamma hard scum
Ssbm light sr

vote gamma

WHERE IS KAIN TEPES???????????