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Post #15 (isolation #1) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 2:12 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 14, Vanderscamp wrote:
Thoughts on skills?
I don't see any kind of obvious partial skill claiming plans, I think any advantage to open claiming a skill is probably not worth reducing Kira NK info, but keen to discuss if anyone feels differently
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Post #30 (isolation #6) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:45 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 29, Black wrote:
Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them
Good thinking Hu Tao, I guess that's why the skills were added to this game
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Post #36 (isolation #7) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:50 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 33, Gimli wrote:
Black, I had a similar read to yours, but mine was that my first read was Lorne is probably not kira for the way he is interacting with the game
maybe I can townread you.
I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling
Claiming skills is bad. Unless there is a good reason to know that information.
In my experience the more someone tries to play the nice law-abiding townie who tries to do everything mechanically correct, the more likely they are to be scum
You should agree with that, Kokichi kinnie
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Post #43 (isolation #10) » Thu Mar 02, 2023 3:54 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 41, Black wrote:
Yeah I don't think Lorne is Kira. Follower maybe. Also this might get confusing because "Kira" is the name of the Mafia but Kira is also the name of the Mafia leader
In post 40, Lorne Malvo wrote:
In my experience the more someone tries to play the nice law-abiding townie who tries to do everything mechanically correct, the more likely they are to be scum
You should agree with that, Kokichi kinnie
But, in this game. It's all about finding Kira. The group helping Kira could pretend to look like Kira to get the town distracted. It's different than a usual game. So intentionally doing that could just mean someone is scum but not actually Kira. So anyone doing early things that could help Kira late game, is someone that should be eliminated early rather than later.
In post 33, Gimli wrote:
Black, I had a similar read to yours, but mine was that my first read was Lorne is probably not kira for the way he is interacting with the game
maybe I can townread you.
I don't think I'd be playing any differently if my alignment was different
I can imagine my followers crying if I was Kira and already at L-1 during Day 1 because I did a little trolling
I don't wanna talk about how I think kira is going to try playing this out for obvious reasons but the way you started isn't quite what I imagine.
of course you can be scum but the game winning flip is unlikely to be you IMO. but it's early. it's just an impression.
You should definitely swap with me so I can kill people with the death note tonight.
I known it seems silly but consider the following pros and cons.
Pros
- If I am VT, it frames me and you appear innocent.
If I am a Kira follower, I would kill a townie and you would be fine.
If I am a power role, I'm likely killing a townie instead of whatever I'm supposed to be doing.
The frame is permanent.
It would be funny.
Literally noone would believe you actually did this and I would likely be limmed tomorrow for claiming it happened, assuming I am town.
Cons
There is an incredibly low chance you die to your own Death Note, although this would be a funny outcome.
You don't choose who dies n1.
Pros seem to be outweighing the cons here.
And I got my fanciest pen <3
In post 29, Black wrote:
Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them
Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a follower
Yeah Watch is obviously town just for that post alone
In post 29, Black wrote:
Kira followers fake claiming is actually genius the more I think about it. The followers don't know each other and Kira doesn't know them, but they all know what skills aren't in play. Claiming a skill that isn't in play let's your two buddies know you're with them
Assuming I'm right about the rules, strong read from this that Black is not a follower
Yeah Watch is obviously town just for that post alone
Nah, I could see it as Kira who sees what skills aren't in play, assumes that the followers also got the same info, and is just trying to tell followers what to do to identify him.
Not a high likelihood world, and I didn't look at that post and think "this looks like Kira coaching," but I could see it being a thing.
In post 92, Save The Dragons wrote:
Why do you like kawaiis posts I feel like it's possible kira would have the most confidence to come into the thread and randomly call other people kira
I'd have the least confidence as Kira, self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entity
Yes, let's trust your self meta. What could go wrong?
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Post #152 (isolation #28) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 4:44 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 147, Gimli wrote:
let's say we follow a plan that kills indiscriminately between kira and followers.
say we use that plan to get 'wolfy people' and people who are openly talking to kira in thread like meg
say we kill them and the game doesn't end
the problem we have is that we don't know what we killed. we might have killed a townie instead. we need some sort of strong evidence to kill based off things that aren't specifically kira hunting, which is hunting for a mastermind serial killer, and normal scumhunting tools might as well be a bunch of ass. so we need to kill off based on a 'could this player easily be kira?' type of mindset first. if we get followers, that's good. but it should be secundary and accidental when we do it imo.
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Post #230 (isolation #34) » Fri Mar 03, 2023 10:27 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 219, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Also, this one believes that no flipping was hinted at but was indeed forgotten to be properly included in the roles. Part of the tl;dr of the setup is:
3. Without skills, you have no idea who died players are, but they are surely not Kira or Detective. If Kira died, Game ends instantly. If Detective dies, you will learn at closest day start.
Though obviously it's kind of... vague and unclear still and in a section not everyone is going to read if they read the actual rules.
In post 216, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Also find a better Gotcha to spring on someone. Like you're right this is an oops hypocrisy moment. But this is really eh.
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Post #279 (isolation #37) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 1:50 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
I find it funny that people expect to hang Kira day 1
Most likely is we hang a town and then spend the rest of the game trying to figure out if they were a follower or not
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Post #306 (isolation #41) » Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:54 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 305, Malakittens wrote:
Idk if I want to keep Komi around because I like the little emoji guy every time he posts and it gives me sunshine and butterflies.
I also believe gimli is town
I have a slight town vibe on Meg in regards to her posting to me.
If you knew who the little emoji guy is, you'd be getting worms and maggots in your stomach instead
In post 277, Lorne Malvo wrote:
I'll be honest that my WIM is a bit lower now + I'm absolutely terrible at scumreading people without any flips so I don't bother trying
In post 307, Black wrote:
If this is Lorne trying to get Kira Gimli to know he's a follower I'm going to lmao
I know he is joking, but that was an upsetting post because if we troll with kira softs then that opens up thread dynamics where kira followers can signal to kira.
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Post #367 (isolation #51) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 5:32 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 364, Gimli wrote:
I think kokichi is probably a townie given recent interactions, and I find the way lorne malvo is interacting with the game to be very political. I'd be interested to see him solving in a way that's more disruptive and not going with whatever seems to be a strong thread narrative. I wanna know that Lorne is at least trying to solve.
me thinking koki is town is something I have to take with a grain of salt because kokichi will definitely win me over in real time interactions regardless of his alignment. but once I re-read the daystarting posts that felt scummy I don't really feel that way anymore about them.
I do want to slam dunk on kawaii, though, so talking about why you think kawaii is town would be really good.
In post 99, KawaiiKame wrote:self-conscious in every post, I'd fade away in the bg and be a non-entity
In post 350, KawaiiKame wrote:
do we think kawaii has faded away and became a non-entity?
I do
do you see this?
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Don't be fooled, I'm not trying to solve right now
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Post #375 (isolation #52) » Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:20 am
Postby Lorne Malvo »
In post 374, Kokichi Oma wrote:
Vander: their posting seems genuine, so I don't think I'd vote there right now either.
HPE: I want to see what HPE has to say when it's not just about me, their iso was almost exclusively about me. interesting to see how they interact with others based on reads that don't revolve around me.
Lorne: Seems like a lot of their posts are just piggybacking off of things, but could just be a reactionary player which isn't a bad thing.
everyone else I think I've talked about to some compacity.
I'm absolutely dogshit at scumreading day 1, so what I do is see what good reasonings other people are giving and sheep the best ones
In post 432, Gimli wrote:
if i'm detective or assistant then I still want props from getting the rest of it right:
1. Detective - mala
2. Assistant - STD
3. Taskforce Member - vander
4. Taskforce Member - meg
5. Taskforce Member - gimli
6. Taskforce Member - lorne
7. Taskforce Member - HPE
8. Kira Follower - black
9. Kira Follower - kokichi
10. Kira - kawaii